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Home My WebLink About10211974CITY COUNCIL MINUTES CITY or PALO MO Regular feting October 21, 1974 ITEM PAGE Adjourned Meeting of 0 tober 7, 1974 4 6 7 Plsnning Commiesion Recommends re Yacht Harbor EIR, Master Plan, and Revised Lease Agreement; and the Architectural Review Board Recommends re Yacht Harbor EIR, Three Phase Improvement Plan, and Ultimate Master Plan 4 6 7 Executive Session re PACDAB Beard approval 4 8 7 Resolution re Proposition 17 4 8 7 Resolution re Expense Allowances for City Council, Architectural Review Board, Hen Relations Commission, and Planning Commission 4 8 8 Arroyo Road - Vacation of Public Utility Easements 4 8 9 Downtown University Avenue - Diagonal Parking Experiment 4 8 9 Oral Communications 4 9 0 Regular Meeting of October 21, 1974 4 9 0 Minutes of September 30, 1974 4 9 0 Request to Move Items 7 and 8 Forward on the Agenda 4 9 1 Flood Basin Mitigation Project and Refuse Disposal Area: Lagoon Mitigation Project 4 9 1 Ordinance re Community Housing, Including Condominiums, Community Apartments, Stock Cooperatives, and Planned Developments Ordinance re 7amprc►ve ent of Police Pistol Range in Byxbee Park Ordinance re Rtraeming Lane 13-E Resolution re Endorsement of Proposition 15 on the November State General Election Ballot Child Care Contract Amendment Barron Park Annexation Request of Councilwoman Pearson re Traffic Solution in Crescent Park Area re Petition 4 9 8 495 4 9 5 4 9 6 4 9 6 49►7 II 9 7 4► 6 6 10/21/74 October 21, 1974 ai...: ° ris ateinee of_ Oeireeleez, 7_, 1974 The City Council of the City of Palo Alto met on this date at 7:30 p.m. in an adjourned meeting of Jctober 7, 1974, with Mayor Sher presiding. Present: Beahrs, Be1wald, Clay, Comstock, Henderson, Uorton, Pearson, Rosenbaum, Sher Absent: None I-tayor Sher welcomed to the meeting the Webelos Group of Cub Scout Pack 'S. sion Recommends re and Recommends Laster Plan Mayor Sher recalled that a motion from Councilwoman Pearson was on the floor when the meeting adjourned on October 7; and since that time, Councilwoman Pearson prepared a memorandum clarifying her motion. Mayor Sher noted there was a a:emoran•3uss from the City Attorney's office stating that before it was legal for Council to take any action in regard to this matter, it had to deal with the Environmental Impact Report. The action needed was that Council find the EIR sufficient. This did not paean that Council had to agree with everything said in the EIR, but that the EIR as supplemented by other inforas,atien gives a basis on which to make decisions. MOTION: Mayor Sher moved, seconded by Comstock, that the motion as amended that was pending at adjournment of the October 7 meeting be tabled until, the subject of EIR can be discussed. The motion passed on a unanimous vote. LOTION: Councilman Berwa1d moved, seconded by Beahrs, that Council find chat the EIR for the Yacht Harbor is sufficient. Councilwosm n Pearson said that Item 6 on the second page of her memo is to transmit the E1R to the county with the deficiencies added as stated by the Planning Commismion, the Architectural Review Board, the Sierra Club, and the Nolte organization. AMENDMENT: Councilwoman Pearson moved, seconded by Comstock, that the EIR be transmitted to the county with the deficiencies added as stated by the Planning Commission„ the Architecture). Review Board, the Sierras Club, and the Nolte organization. Councilman Beahrs did not feel that Council could state that the EIR was acceptable, and then attach a number of deficiencies. He wanted to know if the Council accepted -the E1R, what was the effect of accepting the deficienciea as well. 4 6 7 10/21/74 Marilyn Norek, Senior Assistant City Attorney, explained that the important thing was whether or not the deficiencies were of such a magnitude that the EIR did not adequately cover the various categories listed in her memorandum to Council. Miss Norek said that if Council believed it had enough environmental data to make an informed decision at this point, even though there may be some questions, a finding of sufficiency could be made. Additional data or questions could be transmitted to the county. Councilman Beahrs stated a preference that the deficiencies be considered in the long range rather than at this meeting. Mayor Sher pointed out that the substance of the amending motion could be found in discussions by the Planning Commission and the Architectural Review Board, and the Nolte response was prepared in response to questions that were raised. Therefore, it was recognized that there was some supplemental information that should be considered part of the general situ$': icu. Councilman Norton stated that he did not necessarily agree that there were deficiencies; that being his position, he would vote against the amendment. Councilman Comstock said the reference was to the draft EIR dated April, 1974, to a number of things that occurred on the record, and to the Nolte Associates responses to poi.nto raised. In his view, a substan- tial change was not made to the EIR; and unanswered questions had not been created. The Nolte Associates made responses to inquiries;. and the Planning Commission and the ARB mode their own independent comments, which is what draft E1R's are all about. Councilman Comstock felt that each member of Council needed to decide if the comments made weakened the document or made it sufficient. He supported the amendment because it expands upon the draft .EIR information and issues that were raised at various meetings, and he urged support of the amendment. Mayor Sher said that in the Planning Commission memorandum of October 3, Item 6 stated that the Commission voted to accept the EIR ass presented and as amended by the supplement of September 6, 1974, which was the Nolte supplement. Councilman Norton felt the EIR was more than adequate, and he saw no need to embellish it with counts from the Planning Commission. ARB, or Nolte Associates. Councilman Beaters did of see how a docent such as an EIR, which is supposed to be conclusive in ita nature, could be qualified in any respect; and he would vote against the amendment. The amendment passed on the following vote: AYES: Comstock, lender. son, Pearson Losenbaum, Sher WES: Beahrs, Berwald, Clay, Norton Councilman Comstock noted that on page 3-61 of the ELR, there 'sass a statement that said an intensive effort should be exerted to find a long term alternate solution to dredging. Re proposed a comment that would state that since this vas an EIR that reflects a certain proposed project, no provisions had been arcade for long -term disposal of dredging. Re asked if it were necessary to include in this portion of the Ell acme commeat to this effect. 4 6 8 20/21/74 Elizabeth Crowder, Associate Planner, said that the FIR stated that long term disposal sites were stilt questionable. Councilman Comstock did not pursue the matter since he was satisfied with Mrs. Crowder's statement. The nation as amended passed on a unanimous vote. MOTION: Mayor Sher moved, seconded by Comstock, that Council take from the table the ! )tion that was pending at the adjournment of the October 7 meeting. The motion passed on a unanimous vote. Mayor Sher said that at the last meeting, a lot of time had been spent on this subject, and the public had been heard from. He proposed that Council go immediately to the matter before them and that the public not he heard from again. Council had received from the Yacht Club a letter stating its position, and each member had a copy of that letter. Councilman Bervsid was concerned that there might be a large number of people in the audience who thought they would have an opportunity. to speak on this subject. Mayor Sher pointed out that several hours had been spent hearing from the public at the last meeting, and be did not think it would be productive to have all the positions stated again. Because of Councilman Berrwald's interest, Mayor Sher asked those who thought they were going to have a chance to speak to raise their hands; however, he thought it was best to start dealing with the issue. Councilwoman Pearson stated that from telephone calla she had received, it became obvious that there was confusion as to what Council had done on October 7. What did occur needed to be clarified, and everyone needed to ?now that there were two phases that this whole process would be going through - what could. _be done now, . a.nd what Council was hoping could be done in the future. For the benefit of those persons who had not sewn her memorandum, Councilwoman Pearson read the following: "There is one decision we must e ke now, and that is whether or not to dredge. The Planning Commission's recommendations Phase I, II, and III are all related to the present Master Plan. This plan is the one which envisions extensive development in the area. None of us believes the plan is valid or realistic in view of present day thinking and costs. my proposal is to give the Yacht harbor approximately four to five more years by allowing one more dredging. During this time I Would expect that (1) a solution, if possible, to the siltation problem be determined. If to solution is available, then we mgt face the inevitable phasing out of the Yacht Harbor for large boasts; (2) that the county and city togethez develop a nee precise Master Plan. The Council will deteemine, by motion tonight, some basic decisions regarding the kind and size of development." SUBSTITUTE MOTION: Councilwoman Pearson moved, seconded by Henderson, that the Council euthorise (1) One more dredging, the spoils to be disposed of re Phase 1-b, c, and d, end Phase II -s and b, as recommended by the Planning Commission. Phase I -b: relocation of the excavated dried spoils for fill on the Harbor access road be limited, that the height of the road be raised to a maximum finished grads of 61 foot above mean aa* level. Phase I -c: no spoils materiels to Se placed on the area north of the duck pond which ham been removed from the county lease, except that necessary for slopes to conform the existing 469 10/21/74 grade to the new elevation. Phase I-:'.: excess dry spoils to be deposited at the refuse disposal area just west of the Yacht Harbor; use of this material to cotnstruct periphery dikes to contain future hydraulic dredging spoils should await the EIR on the refnee disposal area. Phase II -a: mainteinance dredging not to exceed 50,000 cubic yards. Phase II -b: wet spoils to be placed only on Yacht Club Point; no spoils to be deposited west of new berths as now proposed, and marshes to be protected and Saved. (2) Include the provisions in the October 7 letter from Helen Proctor. (3) Revise the lease line regarding the lagoon and launching ramp, and those two areas should be defined. (4) Retain the Interpretive Center access during construction. (5) Request that the county in cooperation with the city prepare a precise new Master Plan according to the Architectural Review Board's recommendations which will incorporate the following changes: (a) delete the 86 presently proposed berths and any proposed in the future, (b) delete the Faber tract as a spoils area, and (c) delete the coffee short. Councilwoman Pearson explained that this substitute motion is basically what was on the floor at the time of adjournment of the meeting of October 7, but she left out Phase III which she felt should he addressed at another time, Mayor Sher 'suggested that each part of the motion be dealt with separately. The first point dealing with the dredging was before Council. Vice Mayor Henderson wanted to make his viers knoun at this time since he did not have the opportunity to do so at the last meeting. When he Last spoke on this subject 3 year or rote ago, it came out in the Palo Alto Times that he was opposed to the Yacht Club and the Yacht Harbor. Pe said this was simply not true, and he thought the present Yacht Harbor was a definite asset to the baylands and to the community. If possible, Vice Mayor Henderson canted to retain these facilities, `Alt not at the expense of losing the baylands as wild, open, natural preserves to be appreciated and enjoyed by many thousands of adults and children. In his opinion, this had to take precedence over a formai recreational ia.ility that is enjoyed by relatively few people. Vice Mayor Henderson stated that at the previous meeting when this subject was discussed, he was uncomfortable with the fact that. Council seemed to be inter -mixing directions for immediate work and instructions €er a new boated Plan. He thought that Councilwoman Pearson's memorandum and substitute motion clarified the situation. Vice Mayor Henderson said he fully supported the proposed dredging to be done at the earlieat practicable date; and he thought the smartest neve would be to use good rreguler fill to build the low points of the road up to 51 feet, move the old spoils from the point to the refuse area, and put the new spoils at the point. If this is not acceptable, then he would support using the old spoils to build up the road no higher than 61 feet and putting the rat in the refuse area. It made no sense to Vice Mayor Henderson to add 86 berths now if there were no solution for future dredging. The other action is to request a new Master Plan giving direction as to what specifically the city would want to include aud exclude. The motion before Council specifies deletions of the additional berths, the Faber Tract as a spoils area, and the coffee shop. at the appropriate time, Vice :Mayor Henderson would add delttion of two or three of the new rest rooms, the marine supply shop, and new parking *rests. He was open to consideration of some new berths provided a solution would be found for the disposition of the dredging spoils. Vice Mayor Henderson agreed with a statement made by Councilmen Norton regarding Palo Alto's encitl nt to *owe of the county park and recreation funds. A much .leaa formal and less expensive Yacht Harbor development was being discussed, and that meant less money would be involved. He urged the county to support the first dredging 4 7 0 10/21/74 and road buildup, and he asked that the county fund the preparation of a revised Master Plan that would include solutions to the siltation problem. If this could be done in a year or so, Vice Mayor Henderson said a decision could be made before the dredging needs again reached the present level; and users of the Yacht Harbor will know about the future and not have to undergo trying times such as this again. It was his hope that a solution would be found to retain and maintain the Yacht Harbor as an asset to the bayland,e. Ccunrilman Beahrs supported the idea of one more dredging; in fact, he thought this was unduly restrictive. No progress had been seen in the Yacht Harbor problem, and he thought eight to ten years should be allowed for a Master Plan and other developments to occur. One dredging was too restrictive, and Councilman Beahrs would rather see a term of years used as a guideline. He pointed out that earlier Councils had relocated the draining system to the point that they, in effect, impaired the Yacht Harbor and caused some of the present problems. Councilman Beahrs thought Council would have decisions forced upon it within the year that might well restore some of the early scouring effects which were experienced through tidal action, particularly if the flood basin had to be opened to tidal influx. Depending upon how that is handled, a current could be generated that would be more effective in scouring the chancel than the old natural flows. Councilman Beahrs felt it would probably be three or four years before everything would be straightened out with the Army Engineers and a decision made about the dry fill. Personally, he thought the launching ramps were abominably located; and in his opinion, this involved an extreme degree of public hazard. Further, there should probably be a connection between the lagoon and the existing slough. Problems such as these needed to be worked out, and Councilfln Beahrs did not think they could be handled with one dredging as a constraint. Councilman Norton missed the first meeting when this subject was discussed, and he was disappointed when he read the minutes. He considered the Yacht Harbor a jewel that ought to remain; and if the harbor were last, that area would be a far less interesting place to go. Councilman :Norton's disappointment was due to the fact that the motion as stated .wo weeks ago and at this meeting tended to say that the harbor was liked, but so many conditions were made that it was more difficult than ever to take action. In his opinion, the position was a hypocritical one. Councilman Norton recalled serving on a county committee for almost a year that had to do with Measure C, passed in June of 1972, retarding county -wide park and recreation facilities. All along he supported that measure in the belief that while Pai.o Alto was probably getting short-changed, the county would be benefiting by the passage of the measure. Councilman i orton commented that the only object of the county's bounty in Measure C was the improvement of the Palo Alto Yacht Harbor. He pointed out that about one-third of a million dollars was being transported each year to San Jose under Measure C; and thus far, Pals Alto had gotten little or nothing back because the Palo Alto Yacht Harbor had stood in abeyance for three years. Ira his opinion, this was partly due to the City Council's unwillingnesa to move; and partly, it was the county's fault. Councilman Norton stated that the county and the city had to get together. He did not want the harbor to silt up, and let all the Measure C coney be spent in the south county. It was important that the one item clearly marked in the county's plans; namely, the Palo Alto Yacht Harbor, proceed. The present motion, in Councilman Norton's opinion, was obstructive to that end. Palo Alto needed to work with the county in the realization that this harbor is not a city one, but is a county facility, and it was necessary to bend a little bit in that realization. He thought the Planning Commission's recommendation to raising the roadway to 71 feet was a reasonable one. If the county is willing to go along with the 6s feet height in the motion, then Councilman Norton would 471 10/21/74 also support it; but he considered Vice Mayor Henderson's recommendation of 5'i feet totally unacceptable. The county, understandably, with a waiting line of fifty or more people for boat berths, would like to build eighty-six new berths; but the present motion specifically deletes that possibility. This gives no hope to the county that any addition is acceptable. Councilman Norton felt that eighty --six berths could be worked in, and that would be a fair compromise without indicating any future commitments as to new berths. He stated his willingness for the coffee shop to be deleted for the time being. Councilman Norton's amain concern was that Council not force the county staff into a position where they would have to make a recommendation of dieapprova1z with the result that the whole matter would go on for another two or three years without any kind of activity at all, when that Council has ostensibly taken the position that the Yacht Harbor is:to remain open. Among other things, Councilman Norton hoped that at this meeting, Council would give a very strong reaffirmation of the policy that the harbor remain open. Councilman Berwald took a moment to formally welcome Councilman Norton back from the Soviet Union. He said he was happy to have him back, and he and Councilman Norton's other colleagues would like to hear some - ti a about his experiences with the Be r Association in Russia. Returning to the Yacht Harbor question, Councilman Berwald stated again that he would like to hear interested members of the audience speak; and perhaps they would do that at a future meeting. Councilman Berwald pointed out that when other city programs were under discussion, Co=uncil listened to those persons who were interested ia them and knowledgeable about them. This was true whether the program had to do with child care, drug abuse, senior citizens, etc.; and he considered the people who use the Yacht Harbor as those who are well informed, committed, and interested in that particular progratc. Vice Mayor Henderson made a comparison between the Number of people who use the Yacht Harbor and the number who use the other facilities; and Councilman Berwald felt sure there were programs in the city that reached perhap3 one or two hundred people, but the city still spent one-third of a million dollars a year on those program. He did not feel that the number of persons who used a program or a facility had been a firm criteria or standard for the Council in melting decisions as to how much money would be spent or where it would be spent. Councilman Berwald stated that he respected the arguments concerning the cost of dredging, because that was a very real problem. However, the inference in the argument that compares the Yacht Harbor with the area around it, is that the boaters are one type of people and the conservationists are another. This was not so in Councilman Berwald' a opinion, and he pointed out that conservationists love the water; and most yachtsten are conservation- ists in a very real sense. Most of the boats at the Yacht Harbor are sailing vessels* and they are waned by persons who live close to nature, use the wind and the water, and consider themselves conservation- ists. People who enjoyed the wind, water, and waves should be considered when decisions were made at this meting. Councilman Berwald said there seemed to be a feeling that the harbor was vying for the natural march lands. If than were true, decisions could be made that would return the harbor to a more uatursl ones The waters from the Santa Cruz Mountains would be returned back along the natural channels where they used to be, which really made the original natural Palo Alto Harbor. Councilman Berwald stated that the harbor was certainly not a blight on the landscape* and it was a very natural looking one. He recognized the problem with the dredgings, spoil sites, etc., but he wanted : to see the harbor continued. Me said he was very impressed with than Palo Alto Yacht Club's recommendation that two dredging* be permitted to ensure conttnusnce of the harbor, and Councilman Berwald considered that to be the only proper course of action. Anything less than: that would be en indication rant Council really wanted to phase out the Yacht Harbor. 472 10/21/74 AMENDMENT: Councilman Berwald moved, seconded by Norton, that two dredgings be permitted rather than just one. Mayor Sher stated he would not move the amendment out -of -order; but if a second dredging were talked about, Council should also talk about subsequent dredgings. Further, Councilman Berwald's motion did not suggest where the spoils should be placed as did the Pearson motion. It would have been Mayor Sher's preference to deal with the subject of subsequent dredgings after the immediate dredging had been dealt with. Councilman Berwald commented that anything less than two dredgings was saying that Council did not want a Yacht Harbor. Councilman Clay asked if It would be appropriate to hear comments from the county representatives as motions were made. he wanted to know also whether or not anyone had investigated the possible disposal of spoils in Shoreline Park. It had con to Councilman Clay's attention that Shoreline Park has a desire for fill, and Palo Alto has a need for a place to put spoils. Further, it was his understanding that to move the spoils from the harbor to Yacht Club Point would not be substantially less in cost than moving them to Shoreline Park. Robert Amyx, County Director of Parks and Recreation, said this proposal was made to Shoreline Park more than a year ago; and .t was determined that it was not timely for them to take wet spoils. This question was brought sip two weeks ago when the problem was discussed; and in the .interim, Mountain View had indicated it had no use for hydraulic spoils. Councilman Berwald asked if Mountain View would be interested in receiving dry spoils. Mr. Amyx said this had not been discussed because of the high cost of transporting dry spoils to that area. Councilman Cisy stated that he was told that it would not cost much = re to deliver the spoils to Shoreline Park because of the logistics Ste pg. 4 7 43o of loading and unloading; and unless the hauling is in excess of perhaps six miles, the cost --is relatively the same. Mr. Amyx responded that he thought two different things were being talked about. The dredged materials would be wet, and those are not as transportable as dry material would be. Not very much would be gained if the road were raised as it .should be, if the material were taken fro* the point and transported to Mountain View. Mr. Amyx said he could not discuss the cost specifically; but if it were moved a distance, it would cost money. At the present time about tens cents a tore per mile was being spent to move material. Councilman Beaters agreed there was a problem with the spoils as far as the Berwald amertdment,which he supported, was concerned. Since Shoreline Park was such an extensive land area, Councilman Beshre wondered whey a basin could not be provided there where Mountain View could receive a substantial volume of hydraulic spoils which could be allowed to dry for their future use. Mr. Amyx replied that Mountain View's land area was all planned for their filling opet:ation, Councilman Beaters suggeeted that perhaps soma of the spoils could be used in Greer Park and then be topped off vith good soil, 4 7 3 10/21/74 Mayor Sher addressed himself to the matter of the spoils if there is to be a second dredging, and he offered the following substitute amendment. SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT: Mayor Sher moved, seconded by Rosenbaum, that in regard to the proposed second dredging, Council should state its policy that without a firm commitment being made at this time, consider- ation should be given to one additional dredging at a future date with the spoils to be disposed of in the refuse area, pr.avided that the necessary permits can be obtained. Councilman Comstock asked if Mayor Sher contemplated this as a transfer operation essentially, or whether he intended to really get into the mechanics of it. Mayor Sher viewed this as the sane kind of transfer operation as is now being used. The dry spoils would be taken from the point to the refuse area, and the new dredging would be on the point. Obviously, any future dredgings with disposition in the refuse area would not be entirely within the city's control. Mayor Sher's intention was to make it clear that the matter of a second dredging be kept open but not make a firm determination on it at this meeting. He was stating the policy that a future Council should consider a second dredging at the appropriate time, no firm commitment should be made tonight, and the spoil should be disposed of as he indicated. Councilman Berwald asked to near from the city and county staff with regard to the substitute motion It seemed to him that a decision ought to be made to have two dredgings, and then a study of the disposition of the spoils could be carried out and a recommendation made. Councilman Berwaiid did not feel he had the technical knowledge to say where all the spoils from the second dredging should go. His question had to ;o with whether there was enough knowledge to say whether the spoils from a second dredging would go in one certain location. James Hudak, Manager of Capital Projects, said this was a complex and difficult .issue to deal with in terms of deciding where spoil material could be placed four or five years from now. He did think it made sense to have an established Council policy which would say that one area should be definitely looked at, and he did aot feel that would constrain staff from looking further and perhaps coming up with a better solution. With regard to the county, Mr. Hudak thought they would feel more secure if one area were singled out. Mr. Amyx agreed with Mk. Hudak. He thought this was mainly a declaration of the Council to think forward to the possibility of another dredging, recognizing that the refuse disposal area has had some problems. If the Council in looking forward to a second dredging is willing to participate in the solution to the problems at the disposal area, the county would find that very helpful. Mirror Sher brought out the fact that on January 8, 1973, Councilwoman Pearson roved on behalf of the Policy and Procedures Committee that Council approve use of the Yacht Harbor Point for a limited dredging at the earliest possible time, plus the use of the refuse site for one future; dredging. Therefore, this is act a new idea. Councilman Berwald said he would like to prevail upon Mayor Sher to further state that at the present tie, it is the intent of this Council to approve a second dredging and cooperate with the county in finding a ).ocation for a disposition of the spoils from such a dredging. 474 10/21/74 Councilwoman Pearson asked if anyone knew what this would do to the present EIR on the waste disposal area. Mrs. Crowder responded that the draft EIR for the refuse disposal mentions that the dry spoils would be eagerly welcomed by the refuse disposal area for continuing operation at its present site if that. is necessary, or at the expanded site if the permit is approved. Councilwoman Pearson asked if Mrs. Crowder hid any predictions a* to the city getting an extension of the use of that atea as a refuse site, and how long the extension would be for. Mrs. Crowder replied that the city could continua use of the area for eight years. Councilwoman Pearson asked if the city would be in trouble again in eight years with the refuse area sitn, Mrs. Crowder responded affirmatively, if there were just a single lift. Councilwoman Pearson concluded that in eight years the city would be looking for a place to put dredging., wet or dry, and also for a place to put its own refuse. Mars. Crowder agreed that this was the situation. Vice Mayor Heiderann said that he heard that the additional two and one-half acres would carry the city through next June, and now he was hearing eight years. Mrs. Crowder explained that the permit application for the additional area would be to fill the additional area of the refuse disposal site, which would accommoelate present operations for ^bout eight years, George Sipel, City Manager, added that the permit is for the filling of about forty acres; and the fill rate is approximately five acres per year. Therefore, eight more years is about the life of the present; site. Councilwoman Pearson aska,i if at the end of eight years, the area for which Palo Alto vas presently trying to get a permit would be filled, Mr. Sipe' responded affirmatively. Coesacflwomea Pearson counted that the present motion contemplated a second dredging, and the spoil of that would go to the refuse area. She aakead if that were acceptable. Mr. Sipel replied that the spoils would go in the areas that have already been filled. Some kind of diking would have to be created in order to dump the liquid materials, and an area would be used that had been previously used for that with the height possibly being increasea� a couple of fest. igeat would be dons with the material after it was dry was a question that had not yet boon red; but at that point, it would be fairly valuable fell material so that it could be used by the city or some other agency. Councilwoman Pearson meted to know vat would be won; with doing exactly the saws thing at the present ties. It seemed to her there was some roams is the refuse area now. 415 10/21/14 Mr. Sipel responded that there would be room to accommodate it. Councilwoman Pearson thought the dry spoils, or whatever there is presently on Yacht Club Point, could be taken so the city could get on with what needed to be done there presently - the dry docking, paths, etc. That part of the operation could be gotten done, and the present dredging could be put in the refuse area. When that dried off in five years or so, then there would be the second dredging. Councilwoman Pearson did not see why this was not being considered at the present time. Mayor She thought that at least part of the answer was that the dry spoils would be used for the road. He asked if Councilwoman Pearson's question was why all of the wet spoils did not go immediately to the refuse area if there were room to accommodate them. Councilwoman Pearson responded affirmatively. Then the plan could proceed on Yacht Club Point; and the paths, picnic benches, plantings, etc., could be put in. Mr. Amyx dented that in order to put hydraulic spoils on top of the refuse area, a levee would have to be built completely around it. Such a levee would require a great many yards of rsateriai. In earlier discussions a year or two ago, Mr. Amyx recalled that the Public Works Director indicated he would start with whatever materials he got from other projects within, the city to build the levee. Mayor Sher asked if the idea were that the additional dry spoils fr.= the point not used for the road could be used to build the levee. Mr. Amyx said there would not be enough material for the levee, but he agreed it would be a start. Councilwoman Pears:ors as3ked of the spoils from Yacht Club Point w;yuld be mixed with anything in order to build the road. Charles Rockwell, County Department of Public Works, replied this was correct except for the surfacing and the base material. Couuci.lwonan Pearson acid that if a road were going to be built she would prefer that the spoils from Yacht Club Point be used for building dikes, put hydraulic dredging* over in the dump, and haul in good road material. According to what Councilwoman .Pearson had read in the EIR for the waste disposal area, hydraulic dredgings were exactly shat you did not want to use to build a road that would be sloshed with water constantly. Mr. Rockwell said the material wade an excellent roadbed if the road were not constantly sloshed; therefore, the elevation of the road was important. Councilman Clay paid he understood that Mayor Sher'ss amendment was to tie in the dredging with a disposal site, and to specify the site ae the refuse area. He was concerned because his question regarding Shoreline Park as a possible use for spoils had received no definitive answer. Re pointed out that if that were a suitable location, there would be a perfectly compatible match. Councils Clay agreed that it wee a good ides to have a specific disposal location in mind, but he assured that tbs motion did not preclude any other possible locations. He did think that the decision making process would be incomplete if ouch at natural sink as Shoreline Park were not explored as a possible disposal site. 4 7 6 10/21/74 Mayor Sher stated that one of the problems with using Shoreline Park was the cost of getting the materials there. However, Mayor Sher said that the idea of using the refuse area did not preclude the use of alternative sites. In his motion, he merely intended to carry forward previous Council policy with regard to location of spoils that were a result of a second dredging. Mayor Sher requested thet the wording "or other suitable site be added to his motion, and his eecond concurred. Councilman Comstock asked if the 50,000 cubic yards of spoils could be placed entirely on Yacht Club Point assuming the removal of the existing dry spoils to some articular depth. Mr. Amyx responded that the project is geared to having all of the material deposited at Yacht Club Point. Councilman Comstock asked if this meant taking some of the existing material out, building the road, and taking other materials to the dump. Mr. Amyx responded affirmatively. Councilman Comstock asked that some member of staff give him a visual picture of how much space would he taken up by 50,000 cubic yards of spoils. Mr. Hudak responded that a visual representation of 50,000 cubic yards would be a football field about twenty-five feet high with dirt. Councilman Comstock said he assumed that what was being said then was that the Point be cleared now; and the material would be put in there which would take care of the immediate dredging. Presumably in about four years, that material would be taken over to the dump; and it would be replaced with the spoils from another dredging. Mayor Sher stated that the spoils might be able to be taken directly over to the dump if the levees were built to contain it. Councilman Comstock asked staff about the level of conflict with s second lift that this might propose. Presently, the idea being discussed was one of putting vet material on tins Point; but four years from now, what was being considered was whether the material should be put on the Point or be pumped directly to the dump. Mr. Sipe]. replied that would be one of the alteratives. Offhand, he did not see a conflict since he felt there was enough area there to accommodate both the deposition of liquid spoils and the carrying on of a second lift if Council chose to do that. Councilman Comstock was concerned that all of the dredging* would be taken to the dump, and then the city would find that its trash had to be hauled some great distance for disposal. He underetood Mr. Sipes to be saying that the city waa not nscsasarily foxccloaeing the possibility of a second lift operation. Mr. Sigel believed there was enough land to accommodate that, 4 7 7 10/21/74 Councilman Comstock asked if the road were built and the other excess materials were moved from the Point to the dump, would it be possible at this time for the dredging to immediately be done with the transfer of wet materials to the dump site and not put anything more on the Point at all. Mr. Sipel did .not feel he could answer this question. He said there were probably some engineering considerations that he was not qualified to talk about, and there certainly were some financial considerations. Councilman Comstock asked if this question could be investigated; and if so, would Mr. Sipel like Council direction. Mr. Sipel thought that if this were the direction Council wanted to go, that should be said to the city staff and to the county; and they would come back to Council with an alternative. Councilman Comstock said he had been pursuing this because if the city continued to hail spoils off the point and put wet mud on it repeatedly, then Councilwoman Pearson's coma ants were correct. The paths, parking, boat storage area, etc. would never be gotten around to as shown in the plan. In that aspect, therefore, the plat is misleading. Perhaps using the Point as a staging point for mud could be avoided if the dump could be used as a direct deposit site for wet spoils and still not conflict with the city's options for a second lift. Mr. Sipel commented that some of the remarks made seemed to indicate that the city would want to get rid of some of the dry spoils out at the Yacht Harbor, and he felt that was a wrong assumpt: on to make. For one thing, this material is wiry valuable. For example, if the city wanted to bring new imported fill into the area, it would cost about *5,50 per cubic yard. At that kind of price, Mr. Sipel did not think the city should try to send the fill to Mountain View. Secondly, some of the considerations Council would have before it in about six weeks relate to where to go next with refuse. If the city goes to a second lift, fill material will be needed on the order of 50,000 cubic yards per year. If the current land fill processes were to be modified to conform with changes suggested in the EIR, the city would need an additional 15,000 cubic yards per year. Mrs. Crowder commented that with regard to thn removal of wet spoils immediately to the refuse disposal area, there are some environmental considerations discussed in the EIR for that site. Until that is thoroughly discussed, Mrs. Crowder did not think Council should count on putting wet spoils there at this time. Vice Mayor Henderson said he was hearing a figure of 50.000 cubic yards now; and in four years, 50,000 cubic yards again. However, the EIR states that the County Department of Public Works has estimated that contiiued maintenance dredging of the harbor would amount to about 200,000 cubic yards every four years. Vice Mayor Henderson scanted an explanation of the discrepancy. Mt. Amyx explained that the figure given in the EIR is based on maintenance dredging of the complete harbor area, including the channel and the south basin, and to a greater depth than is.now proposed. Vice Mayor Henderson asked if the 50,000 cubic yards would keep the harbor going as it now is plug take care of additional berths if they were approved. 4 7 8 10/21/74 Mr. Amyx, responded that the present project incorporated dredging in the area of the to additional berths and no further into the south basin for the projected berths. Councilman Berwald asked if the legislative intent of Mayor Sher's amendment was that the city would agree to cooperate with the county in securing appropriate and necessary alternative sites for the disposal of spoils from a second dredging. Mayor Sher stated that he did not feel that Council at this time should make a firm commitment that there will be a second dredging. He felt the policy should be stated that a future Council should be prepared to consider a second dredging, with the spoils to be disposed of as elaborated by Councilman Clay subject to getting the permits. Mayor Sher felt that part tiff the problem in the Planning Commission was that it thought there was a firm policy on the record, and they had constraints upon the because of that. Coencilman Berwald said that if a second dredging is to be considered at all, then he thought in all fairness, the city had to say that it would cooperate with the county in securing alternative sites for that dredging. Mayor She agreed with this. If a subsequent Council decided there should be a second dredging, then clearly, it should work with the co.'nty to find an appropriate site for disposal of the spoils. The open question was whether a Council at some subsequent date will, indeed, decide there should be a second dredging. Mayor Sher did not think a policy should be adopted tonight that there should be a second dredging. Councilwoman Pearson recalled that the Policy and Procedures Committee had stated last spring that there should be a second dredging. Now, what was being said was that there should be a second dredging, but nobody would be committed to it in the future; but if some future Council decided ou a second dredging, then maybe the spoils should be placed on the refuse disposal site. Councilwoman Pearson felt there should be a "yea" or "no" situation since that was the honest way to do it. She did not feel there was one Council person who did not want to keep the Yacht Harbor open and who did not want more dredg+ings; but the whole problem was where the spoils would be placed. Councilwomen Pearson Nought there might be problems at the refuse disposal site, and when the EIR was completed on the waste disposal there could be a whole new situation. She commented that Mountain View is really holding its Lands so they can have some place to put their own garbage, and she did not think they would look kindly to the idea of Palo Alto sending& its wet spoil! down to theme. Councilmen Clay thought he understood Mayor Sher's amendment as recommend- ing s second dredging with the contingency that there be a suitable disposal site for the spoils, Mayor Sher said there were two alternatives. One was that there should be a second dredging, and the only question wawa where the spoils should go. The other possibility is to not go to far *A to say there ahould be a second dredging, but to not foreclose that ides; and the matter of the second dredging would be addreeaed when the time for it arrives. The latter was the intent.of Mayor Sher's amendment. 4 7 9 10/21/74 Councilman Norton stated that his interest in the substitute amendment weakened as Mayor Sher explained it. He liked the Berwald amendment because it was clear and unequivocal. The action taken in January of last year by Council was also unequivocal in that it called for a second dredging. Councilman Norton said it was clear that this Council could not bind a future Council or the present one. The reason for indicating a second dredging is to say to the county that the city is of a certain frame of wind and would probably stick with it. That is what the county ought to know, and that is what the city ought to tell them. For those reasons, irrespective of where the dredgings go - and Councilman Norton thought places could be found if there were enough resolve to do so - he would vete against the substitute motion and vote for the clear cut Berwald version. That version says that tonight, in this Council's ,judgement, knowing that it cannot commit itself or future Councils, it should he stated that there would be tvo dredgings. Councilman Rosenbaum agreed with Councilman Norton; but he did feel the qualification needed to be put in ,somewhere that approvals would have to be obtained, and it was not obvious that the dump site would be available for this purpose. He thought such qualifications could be added to Councilman Bervald's motion; and in his opinion, that was the best way to go. Vice Mayor Henderson said he did not feel Councilman Berwaid's amendment we:rt far enough since it did not say anything beyond that there would be a second dredging, and Mayor Sher's amendment was not really a policy statement. He thought the proper- wording would be that it was the policy of the Council that there be a second dredging providing a suitable location is found for the spoils and the necessary permits can be obtained. The substitute amendment failed on the following vote: AYES: Comstock, Pearson, Sher NOES: Beahrs, Berwald, Clay, Henderson, Norton, Rosenbaum Csmacilmar Berwald stated that added to his amendment, which called for tvo more dredging:, and changed the Pearson wording to "the spoils from the first dredging, etc.", would be that there will be a second dredging provided that a suitable disposal site can be found for the spoils and that the necessary permits could be obtained. The amendment passed on the following vote: AYES: Beahrs, Berwald, Clay, Henderson, Norton, Sher Pearson, Rosenbaum NOES: Comstock Point 1) of the Pearson substitute motion as mended passed on the following vote: Ate: Bsahrs, Berwald, Clay, Henderson, Horton, Sher, Pearson, Rosenbaum WOES: Comstock 4 8 0 10/21/74 Mayor Sher stated that Point 2) of the Pearson substitute motion regarding the provisions in the October 7 letter from Helen Proctor was before Council. Councilman Beahrs asked if these provisions would create any problems for the county that could not be surmounted. Mr. Rockwell replied that in general they agreed with Mrs. Proctor's recommendations, but they had some problems with incorporating Item 2) under Suggested Solutions on the Penalty for the Contractor on the Encroachment on Trees. He thought that proceedings could go forward on the intent of Mrs. Proctor's letter; and with proper controls, all due care would be shown to the existing trees. Point 2) of the Pearson substitute lotion passed on a unanimous vote. Point 3) of the Pearson substitute motion passed on a unanimous vote. Point 4) of the Pearson substitute motion passed on a unanimous vote. Councilman Comstock referred to the improvements shown on the plans for such things as benches and paths, and it seemed to him that since the spoils would weed two or three years for compaction that it would be that long before such improvements were begun. He asked if those things should be left on the map when there was a real possibility that none of those improvements would be implemented for some time. Mr. Amyx responded that what Councilman Comstock said was true. With wet spoile in there, work could not be done on the improvements for a minimum of two or three years. However, as part of a Master Plan, there should be some plan for the use of the area. Mt Sipel counted that if Councilran Comstock wished to have some development in that area prior to several years from now, that request should be made directly to the county. It appeared that the county was not amenable to that approach. Councilman Comstock said the problem was that for a long time now, the idea was held out to people that there would be parking and boat storage, and year that area was continually usurped with wet spoils. Perhaps that was not a big problem with the launching area, but he had seen the other parking area - such as it is - fill up very quickly. He asked if spoils could be put in up to where the proposed parking area is shown, and if there were some way the county could begin to work on some of the developments. Mr. Amyx stated that with the claseaheli dredging that would be used, it would not be possible to keep a clean area since the spoils spill as the bucket swings over. He said he would have to have the county engineers look at it to decide whither or not a section ofsome width could be retained alone the north basin to accommodate anything prior to the drying of the spoils. Councilman Roeen►baua referred to the fact that Councilwoman Pearson said the Master Plan was to be prepared according to the recommendations of the Architectural. Review Board, and ill masse I (b) the ARB stated that the city would authorize that a consultant be retained to develop a new Paster Plan for the entire baylands eras, and a specific development plat for the area in the harbor known a* the County's Phase 1 Improvement Area. He asked if it were Coe cilwonan Pearson's intent that Council authorize staff to go out and hire a consultant for the entire baylasids, and in cooperation with the county, the city would work on a precise plan for the more limited area. 481 10/21/74 Councilwoman Pearson agreed that Councilman Rosenbaum's understanding was correct. Councilman Rosenbaum thought this was exactly what Council ought to be doing. The city had been going back and forth with the county on this matter for many years, and he said it was time to cote to an agreement as to just what the city thinks is acceptable in the harbor area. This should be presented to the county with the hope that an agreement could be reached on one development, and the sniping back and forth could come to an end. Whatever goes within the harbor area should be consistent with the Master Plan for the entire baylands. He said he would like to amend point 5 (a) of Councilwoman Pearson's substitute motion. AMENDMENT: Councilman Rosenbaum moved, seconded by Sher, that a) under 5) have added to it: with the understanding that the city will consider the addition of new berths if (1) a long term solution is found to dispose of the spoils, (2) expansion of the harbor is consistent with the baylands master plan which is to be developed, and (3) expansion of the harbor is consistent with the requirements of the Airport Land Use Commission. Councilman Beahrs said he would like to see the launching ramps moved way from the bird watching area, and the traffic there held to the west of the Yacht Harbor. He commented that the Sea Scotts might be moved to the new berthIng area; and if the Yacht Club were moved to Yacht Club Point, that problem was settled. Councilman Beahrs felt that Councilman Rosenbaum's amendment contemplated flexible thinking, ar.d he would support it. Councilman Berwald asked Mr. Amyx to count on the relationship of the proposed eighty-six new berths. to the total ester Plan as the county sees it, to the economics of the harbor, and to its utility. If you wanted to increase the use of the harbor, there you increased the utility by adding more facilities. Councilman Berwald thought the eighty-six berths were a modest addition that would make the Yacht Harbor a more useful place. Mr. Amyx said his comments related to what the intent for the baylands was. He asked if the intent was that there be a harbor that would attempt to meet the demand of the boaters, or whether barricades and restraints were being placed upon it which wrou) d leave it as a maintenance type of operation. He referred to the part of the motion that mentioned the Airport Land Use Commission, and he said there could be different understandings understandings of the authority of the ALUC. Mr. Arc stated that it did not have authority over existing situations. The south basin was dredged in accordance with a Master Plan and used for a harbor, and whether or not the addition of berths change that situation :Ls a matter of interpretation of the ALUC regulations. He said there were also population density allowances within that area; and if there is a rest.:iction on the number of people who could be in th=at zone, the came would apply to the duck pond. Mr. Amyx pointed out that the authority of the ALUC could be ovarriddee by a four -fifths vote of the Council. This quescion would be brought up, and it needed to be looked at. If the ALUC restrictions were going to be used as a tool to cut off berths, that should be recognized right now. Councilmen Berwald said a decision needed to be made as to whether or rot the city wanted to have a Yacht Harbor, and he found nothing in the ELR that said rho eighty-six berths would do any damage to the genera/ oaylands area. He felt the city had a municipal integrity to protect as far as the intent of the original contract was concerned, and the lease clearly c....led for a regional Yacht Harbor. Councilmen Berwald asked Councilman Rosenbaum if he would be willing to eliminate that part of the Pearson motion that deleted the proposed eighty --six berths. 482 10/21/74 Councilman Rosenbaum stated that it was his intent to say that Council was not willing to approve the eighty-six berths, but that Council was willing to consider them. He said he was really asking Mr. Amyx and the county to bear with the city. In the past there had been a Master Plan, and as long as it seemed to be far in the future, Council never really looked at it very closely. The county had gone ahead on the quite reasonable assumption that. the City wanted what they were doing since the Master Plan had been approved. However, when it coma time for implementation, then all the objections appear. Councilman Rosenbaum was saying that the city would work with the county and develop a plan. The city may decide it did not want eighty-six berths; and at that time, the county might say that it did not want to support a county Yacht Harbor. Personally, he thought the only real question was one of parking. If that problem were solved, Councilmen Rosenbaum thought the city could go ahead and agree to expansion; but he was not prepared to make that decision yet. Councilman Clay had reservations about the motion because there was no time frame specified. He asked what the time frame was for putting in the eighty-six new berths. Mr. Amyx stated that the berth would be put in immediately after the dredg?u6. Councilwoman Pearson stated that she supported Councilman cosenbaum's amendment, and she agreed with everything he had said regarding the eighty-six berths. She pointed out that. the ALUC is a state mandated Commission, and their duty is to make sure that land development did not occur in the approach patterns of various aiports. Councilwoman Pearson said they were not concerned with things that had already been constructed, but the ALUC did not want any new things located in the approaches. This subject would have to go before the ALUC, and they would have to decide whether there was a conflict with their policies. Vice Mayor Henderson had said earlier that he would not support more berths until the matter of disposition of future dredgings had been solved. He understood that this was what Councilman Rosenbaum was speaking to, saying that if disposal sites were located, additional new berths would be considered. However, Vice Mayor Henderson was concerned that no limit was mentioned, which meant additional new berths of any number could be considered. With the understanding that there would be limitations on parking, he would support Councilman Rosenbaum' a amendment. The amendment passed on the following vote: AYES: Comstock, Henderson, Pearson, Rosenbaum, Norton, Sher NOES: Beahrs, Berwald, Clay Councilman Rosenbaum stated that Mr. Amyx had mentioned quite correctly that if there are changes in the Master Plan, a new EIR or a revision to the present EIR would have to be prepared. The county had actee. in good faith in preparing an EIR pursuant to a Master Plan that Council had previously approved, and now Council was indicating a desire to change the Master Plan. In view of that, Councilman Rosenbaum thought it would be appropriate for the city to bear the cost. 4 8 .3 10/21/74 AMENDMENT: Councilman Rosenbaum moved, seconded by Comstock, that section (d) be added to Point 5 of Councilwoman Pearson'e motion to the effect that if changes in the }arbor Master Plan require revision of the EIR prepared by the county, the city will pay for the changes. Mr. Amyx stated that in his lay legal, opinion, the county would not be able to do anything until there is a Master Plan and a new agreement written to coincide with it. Mayor Sher said it seemed to him that the county representatives had suggested that many of the items could be put off until at least that one condition on the long term solution for the spoils had been met. Therefore, why not put off the things in the hinter Plan attached to the lease subject to the suggested overall Master Plan. Mt. Amyx said that in his opinion, nothing cold be done until a new Master Plan had been adopted and a revised lease had been drawn up, Mayor Sher noted that two weeks ago when he asked about the time frame, P'tr. Amyx had .&aid nothing could be done for at leant nine months anyway until the permits were aval.labl.e. Someone had also suggested that the Master Plan might take a year. The amendment passed on a unanimous vote. Point 5) of the Pearson substitute motion as amended passed On the following vote: AYES: Beahts, Berrwald, Comstock, Henderson, Norton, Pcsrann, Rosenbaum, Sher NOES: Clay MOTION: Mayor Sher moved, seconded by Pearson, that the revised lease agreement with the attendant Master Plan reflecting the action taken at this meeting be approved. The motion passed on a unanimous vote. MOTION: Mayor Sher introduced the following ordinance and moved, seconded by Pearson, its approval for first reading: ORDINANCE OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PALO ALTO APPROVING AND ADOPTING PLANS FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE PALO ALTO YACHT HARBOR which woe.1d include the actions taken at this meeting. Councilman Comstock referred to an article in the Palo Alto Tiaes that was headlined, "Boater -- Birdwutcher Skirmish"; and he thought it might have been more properly labeled "Boater and Birdwatcher versus lfud Skirmish". The concern he had hoard about over the pact few weeks wean a commonly held concern about the mud. Oat group was concerned because the mud prevents sailing; and the other group was concerned that when the mud is removed to enhance sealing, it was likely to be put in the wrong place. Counciiaeaa Comstock fait it vas necessary to remind the public that Council had tried to struggle with the issue 484 1O/2I/74. on that kind of a basis, and some of the comments made might have appeared abrasive to one group or the other. Some legitimate issues had gotten short shrift, and that is the nature of the physical development in the area of the YachtRarbor, the duck pond, and the Nature Center. These issues had been submerged because efethe preoccupation with the dredging problem, but it should be noted that substantial changes had been made in the lease lines from the way they were originally conceived. Councilman Comstock commended his colleagues and the public for the time spent on this problem, and for the interest shown in reaching some sort of a volution to the problem. he did not feel sure that the problem was solved even now, but he thought appreciable improvement had been made on the range of solutions that had been contemplated eight to twelve years ago. Councilman suggested that everyone who had spent so much time and effort not consider that the problem was solved. Personally, he bad learned the lesson that problems are better faced than put aside because they only get bigger and more complex. Councilman Comstock thanked staff, Council, and the public for their fantastic participation; but he did feel that just as much work remained to be done as had been done, and he asked that interested persons continue to involve themselves.- The public needed to keep reminding Council about what its obligations were, not only to the natural environment, but to the objective of achieving constructive recreation without doing it to the cost or detriment of other people's interests. Miss Norek stated that staff would want to bring the lease agreement back to Council for final approval, probably when the ordinance was approved for second reading. The ordinance was approved for first reading on a unanimous vote. MOTION: Councilman Norton moved, seconded by Berwald, that :any communica- tion to the county accompanying what had been done over the past recent meetings emphasize Palo Alto's determination to try to keep the harbor open and participate cooperatively in achieving short and long term engineering solutions to the "Yacht Harbor Problem" and to help maintain the Yacht harbor and its environment as valuable regional assets. Councilman Comstock asked if Councilman Norton would be willing to add wording to the end of his motion to the effect that Council is very serious in its intent to accomplish this objective without further degradation or encroachment on the natural and marsh environments cf the Yacht Harbor area. Councilman Comstock said he was thinking specifically of marsh areas that are now either subject to tidal action or are bay meadow marsh; and he wanted to make it quite clear as Councilman Norton had in his part of the motion, that the Council is also very serious that there would be no filing of any more marsh areas. ADDITION TO MOTION: Councilman Norton agreed that the wording, "and City Council is equally serious about its intent to accomplish this vithout filling any additional marsh areas", be added to the end of his motion; and Councilman gersald concurred. Mr. Sipel asked if this motion concerned itself only with the Yacht Harbor or whether it extended to the refuse area. There were forty acres of marsh area that staff was proposing to fill for the refuse disposal program, and he wondered if Councilman Comstock wanted to include that. Councilmen Comstock said he intender',- his addition to the motion to • apply to the discussion and the actions taken on the His implication in. the motion was that mud, would not of the Yacht Harbor and put down any place except in area - the dump, or Yacht Harbor Point. Yacht Harbor. be taken out already filled - 1 485 10/21/74 Councilman Beahrs stated he was sympathetic to the motion, but he was inclined to consider trade-offs once in a while. Personally, he would be agreeable to filling marsh if an equivalent area could be reconstituted in marsh land over a period of a number of years if that meant achieving a more attractive, rationalized, and appropriate development. The motion passed on the following vote: AYES: Ber;ald, Clay, Comstock, Henderson, Norton, Pearson, Rosenbaum, Sher NOES: Beahrs Councilman Rosenbaum referred to Mr. Amyx's comments regarding the inability to proceed until the development of a new Master Plan. He said this certainly had not been his intention, and it was:, not the intention of the Yacht Club which had indicated it had approved of the recommendations of the Architectural Review Board. Councilman Rosenbaum had hoped this matter would go to the Board of Supervisors as soon as possible; and after securing their approval, permits would be gotten from BCC and the Corps of Engineers. The new Master Plan was something that he understood would be developed in the future, and certainly the dredging would not be held up until the Master Plan was worked out. Amyx thought that the lease would have as a part of it the Master Flan to which all the construction must adhere. The radical changes that 114-4 been approved made him feel that nothing could be done until an agreement had been reached on a Maste' Plan. Mayor Sher suggested that since the lease would be revised in one respect, the boundaries, that it would be quite possible to revise it to reflect the city's willingness to have the county go forward with the present dredging and await .any future development until the Master Plan hae been agreed upon. Councilman Rosenbaum expressed the hope that something along those lines could be worked out, and that a piece of paper would not prevent dredging operations from proceeding as soon as possible. Mayor Sher thought this was one of the things that would be seen when the lease case back before Council. Councilman Remold asked when the lease would be back before Council. +.a. Norek responded that the lease would be ready in tiro to four weeks. Mayor Sher asked if this meant that staff had to talk to the county before Council could make the proposed amendments to the lease. The tents would have to he taken t;) the Board of Supervisors, but: Mayor Sher assumed they would not be taken until Council had approved them. Mr. Sipel felt city staff would want to talk to the county representatives about the substantive provisions in the proposed changes, and that may take some time. Councilman Berwaid stated that he would like to see this matter receive very high priority on the part of both the city and county staff. 486 L =, 10/21/74 Councilwoman Pearson hoped she was not hearing that when the lease and the ordinance came beck that the whole subject would be opened up again with amendments, etc. She considered that would be a disaster. Mayor Sher thought that at this meeting Council had approved a revised lease showing the actions that had been taken. Perhaps Mr. Seel was suggesting that in working out the laoguage to reflect the action taken, there may be some discussion between the two staffs. In any event, there was no room for changing the proposed lease other than in accordance with the actions that Council had taken tonight. Miss Norek suggested that Council should see the language of the lease, but that did not mean that the whole subject was open when the lease was presented to Council. Councilwoman Pearson warned everyone that in similar situations in the past, embers of Council did make amendments to what had been considered final documents. She did not want to go through several more hours of amending the lease, and she hoped no one would attempt that. Councilman Beahrs asked the interested members of the audience to transfer their lobbying efforts to the Board of Supervisors and then again to the Palo Alto City Council. Executive Session Mayor Sher announced that at the Executive Session the appointment of Marian tiller to the PACDA3 Board had been approved. Pesolution re Propoa cis:; 17 NOTION: Councilman Con took introduced the following resolution and moved, seconded by Henderson, its adoption: RESOLUTION N0. 5013 entitled "RESOLUTION OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PALO ALTO SUPPORTING TTRE PASSAGE OF PROPOSITION 17 (AN INITIATIVE MEASURE TO ENACT THE STANISLAUS RIVER PROTECTION ACT OF 1974) ON THE NOVEMBER 1974 BALLOT FOR THE STATE OF CAL I FORNIA" Councilman Beaters stated that he could not support this resolution because he did not think the arguments in favor of it were completely sound, and he was not pleased with the idea of supporting the interests of a small group of elitists compared to the thousands of persons who could enjoy the recreational facilities that would be offered by this development. Councilman. Comstock commented that this project had its origin in a more modest flood control dame proposal, and it brought to wind a similar, chain of events that o.curred with Ladera Dam. That was a situation where a modest flood control proposal was escalated to include many other kinds of things, when the demonstrated need for the dam was nothing of that sire and scope. Councilman Comstock stated that the issue of a small group of elitists being the only ones who would be nerved by the passage of Proposition 17 is an over -simplification. Me urged his colleagues to vote for the resolution. 487 10/21/74 Councilman Berwald said that personally, he was in agreement with the resolution and would support it privately; but he would not take a position on it in the voting since it was not a municipal matter. Mayer Sher stated that he would also abstain since he felt it was clear this was not a municipal matter. Tte resolution was adopted on the following vote: AYES: Comstock, Henderson, Pearson, Norton, Rosenbaum NOES: Beahrs, Clay ABSTAIN: Berwald, Sher Resolution re E ease Allowances for o ' Arc teectuxaMtrew Board MOTION: Mayor Sher introduced the following resolution and moved, seconded by Berwald, its adoption: RESOLUTION OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PALO ALTO AMENDING RESOLUTION NO. 4825, WHICH ADOPT5.D AN EXPENSE ALLOWANCE SCHEDULE FOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION, AND PLANNING COMMISSION Mary Cottrell, Chairwoman of the Human Relations Commission, stated that the members of the Human Relations Commission incur lust as many expenses as the members of the Planning Commission atd the Architectural. Review Board. She pointed out there were a number of expenses that came up which the ambers did not feel they could submit vouchers for. M. Cottrell expressed concern that persons with limited incomes would not be able to serve on the Commission if they did not receive an expense allowance, sad she pointed out that the $25.00 atiperd did cover some of the incidental expenses. Vice Mayor Henderson stated that in his opinion, the Human Relations Commission held the same position as the Plaaning Commission and the Architectural R.evieu Board. They were eatitled to receive $25.00 per month, so he would vote against the resolution. Councilwoman Pearson urged her colleagues to vote against the resolution. She pointed out that the members of the Commission wanted to do a service for the city; and although they felt they should have the expense allowance, they were a little embarrassed to ask for money. Councilwoman Pearson noted that the members of the HRC spe3+t a lot of time out in the field, driving their cars, and making telephone calls. The HRC deserved the very sauce treatment as the Pla;nniig Commission and the Architectural Review Board. Councilman Comstock commented that when this was voted on at the September 18 meeting, he left the nesting thinking t4.st be had taken the position that he continued to support as expense allowance for the }.luaan Relations Commission but waa not supporting an esperee allowance for the Rental Housing Mediation Task Force. Things did not cue out that way at that meeting, but he wanted it to be that way; therefore, he would vote against the resolution. 4 8 8 10/21/74 Mayor Sher recalled that this matter was done on an experimental basis, and it was subject to review after six months. A strong response came from the Planning Commission and the ARB; but as far as the HRC was concerned, there seemed to be a difference of opinion Now he understood that there was a general feeling among the members of the HRC that they were unwilling to submit vouchers, which would be his preference. However, he was now willing to accept the position of the members which had not come across in any way when Council previously considered the matter. Mayor Sher would vote against the resolution. In regard to any other bodies, Mayor Sher would vote that their expenses be taken care of on a voucher basis. The resolution failed on a unanimous vote. 4 leam c t t :naeai (C14111530:4) MOTION: Councilman Comstock introduced the following resolution and moved, seconded by Henderson, its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 5014 entitled "RESOLUTION OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PALO ALTO ORDERING THE VACATION OF CERTAIN PUBLIC UTILITIES EASEMENTS" Me resolution was adopted on a uuaniraous vote. Downtown Universit • Avenue t ( :548:4) Clark Congdon, 270 University Avenue, stated that this idea came about as the result of cars burning into the new tree islands and to fulfill the need for additional parking at little or no increased cost. Don Douglas, 355 University Avenue, asked Council to approve the diagonal parking experiment. He felt that many women did not shop in the downtown area because they could not park, and he had seen a number of women look at the islands and the parking space available and then drive off to shop somewhere else. Councilman Beahra asked if this project would use up too much space for the safe movement of traffic along the road. Mr. Sipel responded that there were pluses and minuses about going to a system like this, but staff felt it wan worth studying. Mr. Noguchf.. had worked with the merchants in establishing an appropriate angle for the parking. Mr. Sipel pointed out that the California Avenue area had diagonal parking, and he waa not aware of any problems there of a severe nature. Councilman Bee.hrs stated that he thought he was a better driver than most women, and he still preferred the diagonal parking. Councilwoman Pearson commented that site could parallel park as well as any man. 489 10/21/74 MOTION: Councilwoman Pearson introduced the following resolution and moved, seconded by 9eahrs, its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 5015 entitled "RESOLUTION or THE COUNCIL or THE CITY OF PALO ALTO APPROVING AND ADOPTING AN EXPERIMENTAL DIAGONAL PARKING PLAN ON UNIVERSITY AVENUE BETWEEN BRYANT STREET AND WAVERLEY STREET" Vice Mayor Henderson referred to the statement made in the staff report that this was a timely opportunity for the experiment because of the rerouting of traffic. He asked if the rerouting of traffic would be continued indefinitely, Mr. Sipel replied that drivers could go down University Avenue if they so desired, but they would be encouraged to use Lytton and Hamilton Avenues. Councilman Clay asked why diagonal parking on both sides of the street was not being considered. Mr. Sipel responded that Mr. Noguchi felt there was not enough room for that kind of a proposal. The resolution waa adopted on a unanimous vote. Oral Communications 1. Emily Renzel, 1056 Forest Avenue, thought it would be helpful to have an "X" on the islands that could be used as a guide when parking. There was no "X" on the street for guidance, and it was not possible to see the island. Adlour .nt The continued meeting of October 7, 1974, :adjourned at 11:00 p.m., October 21, 1974. Re;ular Meetin; of October 21 1974 The City Council of the City of Palo Alto met on this date at 11:00 p.n. in a regular meeting, with Mayor Sher presiding. Present: .Beabre, Berweld, Clay, Comstock, Henderson, Pearson, Norton, Rosenbaum, Sher M utate of September 30, 974 Mayor Sher stated that Hr. Iiaphtali Kno*q Director of Planning, had requested that the words "more than" be daelated from the fourth line from the bottom of the fourth full paragraph on page 337. 490 10/21/74 Vice Mayor Henderson referred to the second paragraph on page 320 and requested that the words "concerning Fire Zone 1 study" be added in the first line after "recommendation"; and in the last line, "Finance and Public. Works Committee" should be changed to "Council". In the paragraph immediately following, the word "committee" in the second line should be changed to "Council". Councilwoman Pearson referred to the third sentence from the bottom of page 321 and asked that it be changed to read as follows: "Councilwoman Pearson explained that Council had before it a recommendation that the Palo Alto Housing Corporation, with staff, develop a detailed proposal to be referred to -the Policy and Procedures Committee". The wording in the next sentence, "Then the Policy and procedure Committee would have something to really look at" should be deleted. The following word, "the", should be capitalized and become the first word of the next sentence. She further asked that the word "complete" be inserted before the word "proposal" in the last sentence. Councilwoman Pearson requested that the word "is" be changed to "far" in the seventh line from the bottom of page 335. Councilma-n. Clay asked that the eighth line from the bottom of the first paragraph on page 327 be changed to read: "he extent to which the city would obligate its full faith and credit,". Councilman Clay requested that the word "parlor" be inserted after "massage" in the third paragraph from the: bottom of page 332. Referring to the next to the last sentence can page 339, Councilman Clay asked that it be corrected to read: "Further, it was his understanding that new apartment units would be added to the vacancy rate, but apartment units which may have become vacant since the last count would not be considered." Councilman Clay asked that the second paragraph on page 340 be changed to read: "Councilman Clay asked why new units would be added which, in effect, produced a new count, while not considering that there may be other units available". Mayor Sher requested that the word "so" in the next to the bottom paragraph on page 330 be deleted, and the words "his understanding" be insetted. MOTION: Councilman Comstock moved, seconded by Henderson, that the minutes as revised be approved. The motion passed on a unanimous vote. MOTION: Councilman Comstock moved, seconded by Henderson, that Item 7, Flood Basin Mitigation Project, and Item 8, Refuse Disposal Area: Lagoon ?iitigetiou Project, be moved forward on the agenda for discussion. The motion passed on a unanimous vote. • in Miti_atiou Pro ec t ( :5 eiT ( •Sb5:4 Councilmen Norton suggested that in Stage A some wording be added to the effect that the investigation also consider restoring the original route of Matadero Creek by rechannei.ing it through the Yacht Harbor, with the primary tide gateu situated there for .increased Yacht Harbor flushing action. He asked staff if this would unduly add to Oa study. 4 9 1 10/21/74 Mr. Sipel responded that this particular possibility had been discussed with the proposed consultant; and originally, it was to be a part of this study. For the sake of simplicity, the two had been divided; and the county had indicated at the staff level a willingness to pursue funding tar such studies through the Board of Supervisors. Mr. Sipel said the study would be about a $5,600.00 one. Councilman Beahrs suggested that any and all possibilities be explored of getting flushing action through the Yacht Harbor; for example, opening the flood basin to tidal wash. He thought engineers might. be able to come up with some ideas where a tremendously accelerated flow could be gotten in or out that would reduce the siltation problem substantially. MOTION: Councilman Comstock, with regard to the Flood Basin Mitigation Project, moved, seconded by Beahrs, that Council find that the environment- al impact will not be significant; introduced the following ordinance and moved its adoption: ORDINANCE NO. 2924 entitled "ORDINANCE OF THE COUNCIL OF :HE CITY OF PALO ALTO AMENDING THE BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 1974-75 TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL $39,650 IN THE REFUSE UiIL1IY FUND FOR MARSHLAND MITIGATION EFFECTS IN THF. PALO ALTO FLOOD} BASIN" and moved that the Mayor be authorized to execute the agreement with Water Resources Engineers in the amount. of $39,650 to undertake a "computer simulation and analysis of marshland effects in the Palo, A.ro Flood Basin". Councilwomen Pearson asked if Water Resources Engineers had been involved in this project in the other report. Bernard Pawloski, Director of Public Works, said that Water Resources Engineers had done considerable work in the area; and they had worked with several agencies with whom the City had been involved. They had done water quality and models of the San Francisco Bay Delta System, a mathematical model of the Monterey Bay Ecu System, and they have a lot of experience in this -field. Councilwoman Pearson referred to Task 5, the analyzing of the sedimentation effects in the flood basin, and she wondered if this could be applied to the whole problem in the basin. Specifically, Councilwoman Pearson wanted to kaov if this would just have reference to the flood basin and not in the Yacht }arbor area. She brought up this point since they seemed to be addressing themselves to one,of the main problems in dredging. Mr. Pawloski responded that in the study of the Yacht harbor system with regard to diverting water from the flood basin to the Yacht Harbor, sedimentation analysis would enter into the picture. Councilwoman Pearson asked if Water Resources Engineers were confident they could get the information to do this. Mr. Pawloski said that one of the persons on the team with Water Resources Engineer is a renowned specialist in California on _sedimentation analysis. 4 9 2 10/21/74: Councilwoman Pearson brought this out because the city had been told consistently by the county that there are no answers to the sedimentation problem. Mr. Pawloski explained that the degree of sedimentation and the impacts of that were the things that would be identified. He did not think the consultants would come up with an answer as to what could be done about sedimentation. Councilwoman Pearson noted that you could not even get those kinds of answers from the county, but only that nothing was known about it. Councilman Berwald asked how many firms were asked to subm3t a proposal. Mr. Pawloski replied that as a result of discussions with a group of competent, qualified consultants in this line of work, staff determined there were two consultants who would be capable of doing the project. Staff solicited proposals from those two consultant:. One consultant submitted a proposal and then withdrew it because he could not meet the tight time schedule. Councilman Berwald asked .if ?here were no ether consultants interested in submitting a proposal. Mr. Pawloski agreed, and he added that staff could find no others who were qualified. The three-part notion passed on a unanimous vote. MOTION: Councilman Comstock, with regard to the Lagoon Mitigation Project, moved, seconded by Henderson, that Council find that the environmental impact wilt not be significant; introduced the following ordinance and moved its adoption: ORDINANCE NO. 2925 entitled "ORDINANCE OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PALO ALTO AMENDING THE BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 1974-75 TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL $12,000 IN THE REFUSE UTILITY FUND FOR LAGOON MITIGATION WORK" and that the Mayor be authorized to execute the amendment to the Engineering - Sic ienc e contract. Councilwoman to the Yacht Ha very limiting. Sh mitigating structure c be coutidered. Pearson mentioned the two pipes which connect the lagoon rbor, and said the point was often made that this was thought perhaps a bridge or some other type of ould be placed there, and she hoped that would Fred Looper of the Light and P the lagoon to tidal action would p somewhat out of phase with the actual By constant circulation in the lagoon, a be left to go through the lagoon. A natural on both sides, and you would have a mud flat. end would be changed; and the engineering analysis big it would be, and lust what the couf iEuration woul er Department said the intent of opening robably be a simulated tidal action, tide in order to achieve circulation. smaller amount of water would marsh would build up The structure at the would state how d be. 1 1 ''493 10/21/74 Councilwoman Pearson hoped that staff was not ruling out something that could be more interesting than the two big pipes. Mr. .Loper responded that they were not ruling oi.t that possibility at all. Councilman Berwald asked if this contract went only as far as the analysis or if it included design as well.. Mr. pavloski responded that this would include engineering design, plans, and specifications. Councilman Berwald asked if this meant everything was included up to construction. Mr. Pawloski replied affirmatively. Councilman Ben:=a1d asked if any other consultant had been sought to make a proposal on this. Mr. P.wloski said there were two major considerations. One of these was time because the city was under a serials time constraint with the Corps of Engineers since a commitment had beer, made to do it, not just examine the feasibility. The other consideration was that whoever would do if, needed to be well qualified. Staff believed that Engineering Sciences was qualified to do the work; and in the interest of time, staff selected them as the consultants. Councilman Berwald stated he was not completely satisfied with consultant selection procedures. He recalled that a few year€ back Finance and Public Works Committee had a good deal more to do with discussions with the City Manager as to the selection of consultants. For one thing, Councilman Berwald rather enjoyed that area of the work; and also, he knew there were a number of competent people in this area, and he would like to see them get a little business once in a while. He said he was not making any final judgments, but he had some real reservations about the method by which consultants were selected. Mr. Sipel responded that he thought ataff did some very complete work on the consultant selection process. A very lengthy report was sent to Council, and it was in committee. As soon as the committee was ready to aaendize it, staff would be pleased to discuss the points motioned by Councilman Berwald. Mr. Sipe1 felt the selection of the consultants in these two particular cases was in accordance with the general procedure. Councilman Comstock stated that he would not want to see contracts go to local firma simply because they were local firrs, but that the contracts would be awarded according to the merits of the fins. Councilman Berwald agreed with this statement. The three—part motion passed on a 13nanimous vote. 4 4 4 10/21/74 Ordinan re C nit Housin Iitc1�udin ore oee iuma Co un t A'artmments Stock oo.eda ves An • anne * MOTION: Councilwoman Pearson introduced the following ordinance and moved, seconded by Comstock, its adoption: ORDINANCE NO. 2921 entitled "ORDINANCE OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PALO ALTO ADDING CHAPTER 16.38 AND CHAPTER 21.33 TO TIE PALO ALTO MUNICIPAL CODE, RELATING TO COMMUNITY HOUSING, INCLUDING CONDO-- MINIUMS, COMMUNITY APARTMENTS, STOCK COOPERATIVES, AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS" The ordinance was adopted on the following vote: AYES: Beahrs, Clay, Comstock, Pearson, Henderson, Rosenbaum, Sher NOES: Berwald, Norton Ordinance re Ira .rovement of Police t ` MOTION: Councilman Berwald introduced the following ordinance and moved, seconded by Comstock, its adoption: ORDINANCE NO. 2922 entitled "ORDINANCE OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PALO ALTO APPROVING AND ADOPTING A PLAN FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF tHE POLICE PISTOL RANGE IN BYXBEE PARE AND CITY Oi-INED BAYLANDS (AKA JOHN FLETCH.ER BYXBEE RECREATION AREA) Councilman Norton thought that the last time this subject was discussed, staff was talking in terms of a temporary pistol range. It now appeared to be fairly permanent, and he asked what the intent was. Mr.. Sipel responded 1:hat. Staff had an assignment to pursue the possibili- ty of a regional facility. For the neat several years, Byxbee Park would be used in its present configuration; and there would be no additions with the possible exception of some landscaping around it. Councilman Norton expressed the hope that this was not a forever thing, because he was not sure he was in favor oY that. Mayor Sher said Council had voted to have staff look to the other communities for a Joint effort, but he thought it was necessary to go forward because of the Park Ordinance and approve the pistol range in ordinance form. Councilwoman Pearson stated that Was exactly why she would vote against it. The whole area out there was fairly complete as a park, and then right in the middle of it is this pistol range. It was even addressed in the EIR ae not being a perticulsrly pleasant thing to have in the middle of the baylands park area. Councilwoman Pearson felt it should be left the way it is and not except it from the Park Dedication Ordinance, but wait and see what happens on a regional basis outside of the city's own baylands peer}:.. For instance, there, was the possibility of having it in the Los Alton Sewage Treatment area. 495 10/21/74 The ordinance was adopted on the following vote: 1 AYES: Beahrs, Berwald, Clay, Henderson, Norton, Rosenbaum, Sher NOES: Pearson ABSENT: Comstock Ordinance re Renamin Lane 13--E_ MOTION? Vice Mayor Henderson introduced the following ordinance and moved, seconded by Beahrs, its adoption: ORDINANCE NO. 2923 entitled "ORDINANCE OF THZ COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PALO ALTO RENAMING LANE I3 -E, COMMONLY KNOWN AS ALLEY 13, AS PAULSEN LANE" The ordinance was adopted en a unanimous vote. (Comstock out) Resolution re Endorsement of MOTION: -Vice Mayor Henderson introduced the following resolution and moved, seconded by Clay, its adoption: RESOLUTION NO. 5016 entitled "RESOLUTION OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF PALO ALTO ENDORSING PROPOSITION 15 ON THE NOVEMBER STATE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT WHICH WOULD REPEAL ARTICLE 34 CONCERNING LOW RENT HOUSING PROJECTS" Councilman Beahrs expressed concern because this proposition stated that there could not be a. vote of the electorate on low cost housing propositions; and if the city did not have a vote, then be wanted to know iho would vote. Mayor Sher said he understood that if Proposition 15 passed, then there would be no requ lrem¢ent that there must be a vote. Me. Norsk did not believe that the effect of Preposition would be terribly drastic. Perhaps there would be a question if the state bought land in Palo Alto and wanted to put up a zoned project. In such a cave, the City Council might not have much say in the matter. Normally, what vas being talked about was city money, or federal plus city money, where the Council would have a great deal to say. The people would also have referendum power. The resolution was adopted on the following vote: Ah ES : Clay, Comstock, Henderson, Norton, Pearson, Rosenbaum, Sher NOES: Beahrs ABSTAIN: Berweld 496 10/21/74 Child Care Contras` Amendment (CMR:571:4) MOTION: Councilman Comstock moved, seconded by Pearson, that the )ayor be authorized to execute the amendment to the contract. Vice Mayor Hendersur said it looked as though the city was saving some money. The income from the county was being reduced by $21,000; and the budget was being reduced by $35,000, so the city was $14,000 better off than it was at the beginning of the year. Carleen Bedwell, Assistant to the City Manager, stated that one figure in the report was the city and county figure; and the other figure was one for the entire program which includes user fees. The contract between the corporation and the city did not include user fee money, thus the compensation figure involves city and county funds which the city will dispense. $35,000 was not being raved, but there was an adjustment in the $21,000 figure. Vice Mayor }ienderson`s understanding was that the budget was down $35,000; but there would be less user fees, and that would offset the drop in the budget. Councilman Beahrs was concerned that the county did not contribute to rsix of the categories, and he did not recall that there was such a disparity in support between the city and the county. Mrs. Bedweil explained there are elements in the program which the county did not fund, and which it was not supposed that the county should fund. Their funding to the corporation is for the lent income user in the program. It was not possible to predict accurately the low income element; therefore, it was simpler to request funding from the county only on certain coalponents. Councilman Beahre asked if the county would ever contribute any money to the sin; categories. Mrs. Bechtel' said the program at this point extended only to June of 1975. Anywhere in the program where there are low income users, the county will reimburse the city for the expense, it is anticipated that the mentioned areas are the ones that will qualify for county funds. The motion passed eon a unanimous vote. Barron Park Annexation (CMR:575:4) MOTION: Councilman Comstock moved, seconded by Berwald, that Council refer the setter of Barron Park annexation to the Planning Commission for the specific purpose of reviewing urban services area, sphere of influence, and boundaries of the area. The referral motion passed on a unanimous vote. 4 9 7 10/21/74 Re•oast of Councilwoman Pearson re Traffic o u on n rescent ar rea re et ton r Councilwoman Pearson said that she had received a petition asking that one of the streets in Crescent Park be closed, but the person responsible for the petition said she would be willing to consider other solutions. NOTION: Councilwoman Pearson moved, seconded by Henderson, that this matter be referred to staff for a quick response. The motion passed on a unanimous vote. Oral Communications None. Ad ; o u rna�ers t Mc meting of October 21, 1974, adjourned at 11:40 p.m. ATTEST: 4 - City Cler'i APPROVE: Mayor 498 10/21/74