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HomeMy WebLinkAbout06241974_1Otourr meat The June 17 meeting adjourned at 9:15 p.m., June 24, 1974. June 24, 1974 The City Council of the City of Palo Alto met on this date at 9:20 p.m. in a regular meeting with Vice Mayor Pearson presiding. Present: Beahra, Berwald, Clay, Henderson, Norton, Pearson, Sher, Rosenbaum Absent: Comstock Meeting_re Dumbarton Bridge Councilman Henderson announced there would be a meeting of surrounding conformities with regard to the Dumbarton Bridge, Wednesday, June 16, 8:00 p.m., Bellehaven Community Center, East Palo Alto. Minutes of June 0,..191A _19.7, MOTION: Vice Mayor Pearson Moved, seconded by Henderson, that the minutes b approved as ;.ub-Ditted. The motion passed on a unanirous vote. Minutes of June 11, 1974 Councilman Henderson referred to the top line of page 532 and asked that "Joel Davidson, staff" be corrected to read "Joel Davidson of the City heczeation Staff and a PACDAB member". Councilman Henderson noted that the first line of the fourth paragraph from the bottom of page 547 was missing and that it be inserted as follows: "Mr. Sipel asked what the intention vas for the City Controller's role to be, and would it . . ." MOTION: Vice Mayor Pearson moved, seconded by Henderson, that the minutes be approved as corrected. The motion passed on a unanimous vote. Eubl i c u1400 : _ 1974-75 Arnnual. Bud&e1 Vice Mayor Fearacn noted that a thirty-three million dollar budget would be under discussion, and this was the moat important meeting of the year. This meeting was the culmination of months of -Finance and Public Works Committee meetings which were devoted to reviewing the City Manager's proposed budget. The budget is a working document of the Council.. All progress funded it this meeting in the budget hopefully would be implemented by the hard-working staff. The budget eats the policy for the Council for the next year. Vice Mayor Pearson expressed pleasure at the number of people in the audience who case for this budget: study. She said the budget adopted tonight would be passed by majority vote, and that is significant. Any further funding of new programs during the next year wi11 require a two-thirds vote of the Council. Fifteen million dollars of the total budget was in the general fund which includes: 595 6/24/74 such highly visible services as streets, park maintenance, police and fire protection, libraries, recreation, running of city hall, arts, administration, and support services. Two million dollars is in the Capital Improvements Program which is a liating of descriptions and costs of capital facilities or projects which are necessary to implement the program outlined in the annual operating budget. For example, the Children's Theatre improvements, the zoo improvements, Greer Park improve- ments, trails and paths, tennis courts, paramedic vehicle, storm drainage improvements, and the ramping of curbs for the handicapped. The sixteen million dollars is the utilities budget. Palo Altc owns its own utilities, and on the whole, the operating expenses of these utilities are less than the revenues. Electricity is the big money maker, and it allows Palo Alto to not only give the residents and businesses in the city substantial savings in utilities, butalso allows the city to provide many excellent services and programs. Thirty to thirty-five percent of the profits from utilities go to the general operating budget. On behalf of the Council, Vice Mayor Pearson thanked the staff for months of hard work, and also the Finance and Public Works Committee for all their time and effort devoted to reviewing the recommended budget. Vice Mayor Pearson stated that this meeting was the official advertised hearing for the 1974-75 annual budget, and she declared the public hearing open. She said that if any member of the audience wished to speak in general to any part of the budget, this would be the time to do so. After the public hearing is closed, and Chairman Henderson of the Finance and Public Works. Committee has placed the iten before Council, she would recognize anyone who wished to address the Council on any of the amendments that appear on the agenda, (a) through (z), (aa), (bh), and (cc), as they are taken up. She added that if a citizen were planning to address the Council on any of the amendmeets on the agenda, she would appreciate it if that person did not speak during the public hearing. If someone wished to speak to the public hearing or to any itet on the agenda, he should fill out a card and give it to the City Clerk. Vice Mayor Pearaon reminded the audience of the five minute time litit for speaking. Frederick D. Smith, 525 university Avenue, speaking for the Palo Alto Chamber of Commerce, said the Chamber had reviewed in detail the proposed budget and wanted to compliment the staff and the Finance and Public Works Committee on the revised fort of the budget. The Chamber was pleased to note that no tax increase was proposed for the coming year, and they supported the proposed budget as presented to the Council. E. David Uggla, 446 Forest Avenue, 02, spoke on behalf of the Western Wheelers Bicycle Club, the West Bay Highwaymen Bicycle Club, and some other Palo Alto cyclists who were unable to he present at this meeting. He said he had not anticipated the action taken at the Finance and Public Works Committee meting with regard to the staff proposed supplement - the Bicycle Safety Program. The Committee recommended that this not be included in the budget. In terms of bicycle safety, there are three fundamental factors -education, enforcement and engineeering. Palo Alto has been doing well in these areas, and there has been a decrease in the accident rate over the last year. Hie concern was that without the education program, the expenditures for facilities would not achieve the maximum benefits. Mr. Uggla stated that education and enforcement efforts were required to keep down the number of accidents involving people under the age of fifteen. He hoped that Council, and in their behalf the staff, could maintain an intensive effort in the field of bike safety. If the Bicycle Safety Program is not funded, he asked that Council remain open to further requests for funds during the year as and when programa were proposed. 596 6/24/74 Helene Wheeler, 362 Diablo Court, President of the League of Women Voters, noted that the League each year since 1971-72 had taken time to review the contents of the city budget and the Capital Improvements Program. On behalf of the League, she commended the members of the Finance and Public Works Committee who spent many hours ettempting to bring to Council a budget representing the adequate expenditure of public funds to provide facilities and services expected by Palo Al.tana. The League also wished to commend the Planning Commission for establishing a subcommittee to review the Capital Improvements Program, and the staff was congratulated on its thorough and articulate presentation of departmental requests. Vice Mayor Pearson declared the public hearing closed. Vice Mayor Pearson stated she would call on the Chairman of the Finance and Public Works Committee to present the Committee's recommendations. She said that Councilman Henderson would present the City Manager's preliminary budget for 1974-75 with Committee amendments as shown on the agenda (a) through (y). She noted that (z), (aa), (bb), and (cc) were not considered by the Finance and Public Works Committee and would be addressed following the Committee's recommendations. Vice Mayor Pearson ruled that the preliminary budget was now before Council, and that Council wonl.d take up the amendments as shown in the agenda one by one. If Council could agree on certain blocks of recommenda- tions, for instance, (a) through (W), then that would be appropriate. If any Council member had further amendments to the budget, they would be recognized after considering the ones already an the agenda. Councilman Henderson, Chairr n, Finance and Public Worke Committee, noted that the budget was the result of a tremendous amount cif work by a large number of people. It began with detailed requests from city departments and a review by the City Manager culminating in a Capital Improvements Program, a five year budget of 70 pages, a draft operating budget of 473 pages, and a utilities budget of 73 pages. The final result was the present 156 page preliminary budget now before the City Council. He said that the Finance and Public Works Committee held ten public meetings where these budgets were discussed and the public given the opportunity to participate. Each departmental budget was scrutinized with department managers and other personnel on hand to answer questions and to offer support data. Many changes were made, and a rather dramatic picture of the nunnber of changes wade could be seen in the Capital. Improve- ments .Prograa budget. The Capital Improvements Program for the coming year, 1974--75, had 27 items deleted or transferred to other years with a total of over two and three-quarters million dollars; on the other hand, two items were added that totaled $784,000, most of that being for Greer Park. For the other four years in the CIP, sixteen items were deleted totaling $6,225,000. There were additions or transfers from the coming year, ten in number, which totaled $1,334,000. Altogether a net total of $6,383,000 was removed from, the five year Capital Improve- ments budget. Councilman Henderson thanked Anne Steinberg and Emily Renzel from )the Planning Commission for their full partictpatou in the budget discussions. They were very valuable participants, and he hoped that future Finance Committees would continua the practice of involving Planning Commission members in the budget deliberations. Re also thanked all of the Planning Commission umbers who devoted portions of two meetings to discussing capital improvements. Councilmen Henderson felt sure that all of his colleagues on the Committee sensed the name frustration that he did in not being able to deal with 5 9 7 6/24/74 �, r full. effectiveness on the budget. He pointed out that the time pressure was tremendous, and the detail was overwhelming. In spite of the ten meetings on the draft budget plus another meeting on the preliminary budget, he felt he barely touched the surface of the operating and utilities budgets. Most important t'teie simply was not time available to speak sufficiently to the overall problem of total revenues versus total expenditures. There is not sufficient revenue in the budget to cover anticipated operations and capital improvements expenditures. Fortunately, there are ample funds in the various fund reserves to cover capital improvements projects that are not covered by current funding;. but the city was no longer in a position where half of the sales tax revenue could be applied to capital improvements. The general fund, or operating budget, is a basic $15,765,000 which when reduced by credits for service provided through utilities comes,to a net total of $14,177,000. Councilman Henderson pointed out this figure does not include the amendments that would be considered at this meeting. To provide sufficient revenue to cover the total expenditures, approximately 88% of anticipated sales tax revenue will have to be credited to the general fund. This means that the old goal of having 50% of the sales tax revenue available for capital improvements is far from suet since only 12% is available ,according to the budget, although there would be some adjustments to that. The Capital Improvements Fund budget for 1974-75 is $1,959,500 and with $430,000 available from sales tax revenue, it means about one and a half million dollars would have to be taken from the Capital Improvements Fund reserve unless other change; take place. Councilman Henderson continued that :Another half million dollars or so is budgeted for expenditures from the street improvement fund, and the gas tax revenue is es r itated at around $300,000 so there would be $275,000 that would have to come from the street improvement fund reserve. The utilities are self-sustaining with a budget exceeding $16,000,000 and providing the general fund with about $4,200,000 revenue. So many variables and t.stknowrts are present in budget estimating that it is impossible to make accurate judgments of the city's fiscal position a year in advance. Historically, the city has underspent on its general funds, in that there are staff vacencies, delayed projects, etc. The estimated revenues for the city for 1974- 75 are admitted to be conservative, and as an example, Councilman Henderson made his own eatimate and case up with $400,000 more revenue than presented to Council in the preliminary budget. There are budgets for certain program expenditures that may be late in costing; therefore, it was hia personal belief that the city would not have to drew from existing fund reserves anywhere near the extent indicated in the budget documents. Councilman Henderson stated that he did not feel pessimistic about the city's financial status for the coming year. He said that many people needed to be thanked for their efforts, and he mentioned that Clayton grown of the staff deserved thanks for successfully masterminding this huge project and for so promptly and efficiently responding to the Committee's many requests for special information. He also thanked the many staff members who appeared before the Committee, the members of the public who came before the Cr ittee, and his colleagues on the Committee - Councilmen Bervacld, Norton end Rosenbaum for their dedication to this formidable task. MOTION: Councilman Henderson moved on behalf of the Finance and Public Works Committee that Council approve the 1974-75 annual budget as presented by the City Manager with such amendments as may be approved by the Council at this meeting. MOTION: Councilman Henderson moved on behalf of the Finance and Public Works Committee that Council a nd the 1974-75 preliminary budget by approving the recomeendatione of the Committee for amendments (a) through (m). 5 9 8:: 6/24/74 a. Delete $19,400 from Equipment Maintenance, Equipment Replacement Subprogram. b. Delete $1,750 from the Personnel Department, Administrative and General :,ubprogra.m, casual salaries. c. Delete $2,000 of planned equipment purchasesunder the Stores Subprogram of the Purchases and Stores Division. d.. Delete $1,500 of the budgeted $2,500 for capital project materials and euppl.es in the Administration and General Subprogram of the Communications Division. e. ITTete $1,000 of the budgeted $13,180 for new and replace- ment equipment in the Maintenance Subprograms of the Comiunicatiens Division. f. Delete $1,000 of the $7,000 budgeted for professional real estate services in the Real Estate Subprogram of the Engineering Division. g• Delete $1,000 of the $2,000 budgeted for office furniture and machines in the Administration & General Subprogram of the Planning Department. h. Delete $15,000 from several of the subprograms in the Police Department. i. Delete $1,000 of the budgeted $5,840 in casual assistance for vacation relief in the Animal Control Subprograms of the Animal Services Division. j• Delete $2,000 of the $12,975 budgeted for advertising and publishing in Social Services Administration. k. Delete $5,000 of casual salaries and related materials and supplies budgeted for expansion of activities and delete $2,000 of the $10,000 budgeted for additional and replacement playground equipment in various sub- programs of the Recreation Department. 1. Delete $5,000 from casual salaries budgeted to expand classes and supervision at the Cultural Center, from various sub -programs in the Nature and Science Division. m. Delete $10,000 of the total budgeted ($25,980) to expand the book collection at Mitchell Park, from the Ziblio-- grsiphicel Services Subprogram of the Library Department. Councilmae Norton disagreed slightly with the way this matter was being presented. Normally the manner for presentation of a Committee recom- mendation is that the collective recommendation of the Committee is placed before Council with the thought that if it is to be changed then affirmative motions should be lade to chang it. The way this is before Council either one by one or collectively the Committee's recommendations have to be affirmatively, in effect, ratified by the Council. Re felt there was a subtle, bet perhaps important, difference in that nor$ iiy Councilman Henderson if he followed the usual format would be moving (a) through (z) and Council would amend from there. 5 9 9 6/24/74 It was Councilman Norton's opinion that it would take at least twice as long to go about it the way it is proposed and would also take a different voting pattern to do or undo things that the Committee has already recommended. Vice Mayor Pearson said she recognized what Councilman Norton was baying, but she had gone bacf through past years to find out just exactly what Council had done`; The last two years the budget was presented to Council as Councilman Norton stated, but in 1971-72 when he was the Chairman, he used the format that was suggested for tonight. The other six years that Vice Mayors Pearson had been on the Council, it was also handled in this way with the assumption being that the preliminary budget was before Council and any changes are approved on a one by one basis by the Council. Councilman Rosenbaum commented that last year at this time he noted that expenditures were increasing a good deal more rapidly than revenues. At that time he thought it would be very educational to become a member of the Finance Committee and find out what he could do to attempt to bring revenues and expenditure increases in line. He said he did become a member of that Committee, and it was his view that the budget before Council was not at all responsive to the fiscal realities that the city is facing. The budget process starts early in the year, and two things happened which could not be anticipated when the whole process began. One of these was the energy shortage which affects the city in an unusual way since the city owns its own utility system. The most profitable utility is the electrical one, and consumption of electricity is down. In terms of the environment that is a very good thing, but from the standpoint of the budget it is natural to regret that electrical use is down because it has a severe effect financially. Councilman. Rosenbaum stated that the city could count on the sales tax and the property tax going up with inflation, but the utility is simply not re'ated to inflation. The past year the results have been that money from utilities is down, and this seriously affects Palo Alto's ability - much more so than other cities -- to keep up with inflation. The second thing that happened was the rise in the cost of living. The city had signed a contract with its workers, and it was quite understandable, to provide them with a cost--of-living increase this coming year which has turned out to be 8.2%. The increase in salary costs primarily, together with the reduction in utility transfers, has produced the situation where the pay-as-you-go system has been virtually eliminated for capital improvements, Page 1 of the preliminary budget shows where the city has been heading. In 1971-72 the entire sales tax went to the Capital Improvements Fund, and no sales tax money was required for the general fund. In 1972- 73, it was down to 2.2 million for the Capital improvement Fund. In 1973-74, it is currently 1.3 million, which is a drop of one million. This year it is shown in the budget to be $430,000. If Council looks at that $430,000 closely, it will find that it pretty much just goes away. litxt year is a fifty-one week year, and this means that one week of next year's cost for salaries is being charged to this year's budget and that is $170,000 that might rationally appear in next year's budget. Another item had to do with the child care contract. There wee some discussion as to haw to fund that, and the decision wee to essentially put next year's child care funds into this year's budget. If that had been done in a more reasonable manner, that would be another $150,000 that is really going to be spent. $120,000 of the amount to be transferred to the Capital Improvement Program was found by delaying an underground project an San Antonio Road. Councilman Rosenbaum said that in adding up thane three items you get a figure of $440,000. He felt it was reasonable to say that given the budget figure, there would be no transfer at all to the Capital Improvement Fund during 6 0.0 6/24/74 the coming year. However, he noted there is a contingency amount so there will be some money; but essentially, the city has been brought to the point where it can no longer count on a pay-as-you-go system. Furthermore, without some sort of a tax increase, it was not clear how the city would be able to meet the expenses it would have the year after next. Councilman Rosenbaum explained that he went through all of this orally because it is possible to read through the entire preliminary budget and find no comment of this so. -:t. The Chamber of Commerce indicated it was happy there was no increase in the tax rate, but clearly they had not had the opportunity to do the analysis to show just how the city finances are deteriorating. Perhaps staff made no mention of this fact because when they sake comments like that Council accuses them at times of trying to make thinge look bad for the Council members; also, they have projects of their awn to pursue and it is difficult to do that if you are indicating that the budget does not look good. Councilman Rosenbaum explained that he brought up these things because he felt that on the part of the public and on the part of some of the Council members there was a feeling that Palo Alto was extremely wealthy and anything can be done that is wanted, and he was suggesting this is not the case. Each program needed to be looked at very carefully, priorities need to be chosen, and some projects which appear very desirable may have to be eliminated or cut back. He wanted to sake this point because he would be voting in what could be regarded as a fiscally conservative manner, and these were the reasons that he would be doing that. Councilman Clay stated that he had a mild objection to the procedure. The approach says to hire that someone has determined prior to the meeting that some items should be taken in a black and some should not, When he saw the report from the City Manager, he inferred that his statement of possible deletions from the budget was an attempt to establish some priority from which the Finance and Public Works Committee could then go about doing its work of deleting budgets at its set of priorities. He felt that by taking (a) through (m) as a block, Council was not giving staff an opportunity to comment on some of the recommendations it had made. If staff oared to comment, he wanted to give it the opportunity to do so. Vice Mayor Pearson responded to Councilman Clay's thought that perhaps an agreement was made before the meeting. She said she talked to the City Manager at the pre -council meeting to determine which items were controversial and which were not. These were recommended by the staff to the Finance end Public Works Committee, but she pointed out that Councilman Clay was free to ask that the items be divided. Further, if there were any items that anyone on Council wanted to discuss or have the City Manager address himself to, this could be done, The proposed method was simply a way of trying to expedite the matters. Councilman Clay reiterated that he simply wanted to be sure that staff could respond to each item if i.t wanted to, and if it did not want to, then ho was prepared to go on. Mr. Sipel stated that in general he disagreed with all of the changes that the Committee had aasde, and he believed strongly that the recommenda- tions that he made initially would be the best course of action. The Committee chose to make some changes, which he did not consider to be substantial. Late in the game, he tried to bring to the Committee's attention to some pric:ities which he fait were more important, basically in the area of affirmative action. Mt. Sipel felt that if dollars were questioned, there wore soma less important items which the Committee 6 0 1 6/24/74 had already approved that might be reconsidered in light of the concern to save money on the Affirmative Action program. It was in this light that he prepared the memorandum with the list of deletions, for the most part. He said he would be very willing to talk on any one of the proposed deletions if the Council would like him to. Cotncilmaa Sher commented there was a 6f,.9X decrease this year in transfers to the Capital Improvements program, and he understood that the city would either have to not have Capital Improvements in the future or it would not be able to continue on a pay-as--you-go basis. He asked Mr. Sipel to comment on the abandoning of the policy of allocating one-half of the sales tax revenues to the Capital Improvements Fund. He wanted to know if the city were moving to a position of having annually funded programs replacing the capability to go forward with Capital Improvements such as park acquisition or Lytton Plaza. Mr. Sipel responded that the suggestion that Council has not been properly advised as to the financial condition of the city and its direction is an erroneous one, He recalled bringing this precise gt.estion to the attention of the Council for the past four or five years. Two and one-half years ago, staff prepared a report on a long-- term basis which indicated the direction the city is presently going, which is one of more difficulty in funding day -to --day operating requirements, He stated there is no doubt that is the case, and he had certainly not tried to hide it. In fact, this was one of the things which he highlighted in his State of the City message. Mir. Sipeiat that point in time indicated that the city's financial condition was rather good, but that tine good financial condition would be somewhat eroded in the future. In his State of the City re€ssa ;e, he stated that any tie the city takes on a new responsibility that makes it more difficult to do other things such as Capital Improvements. For the last four to five years, 'tali had indicated that in order to do all the things the city wishe/ to do, it wo.id not be possible to transfer or estimate the transfer sales tax to the Capital Improvements Fund in the amount of SC%. In fact, because of better than anticipated utilities earnings, funds left urerpended, that peecentaga had been ex,eeeded every year since he had been with the city. Thi5 year, the, books still have not been closed, but he expected that the figure of 1.3 million dollars mentioned will be substantially higher. Therefore, he felt 50% would again be reached. This has been done for the past couple of years, but the difference now is that there are some other factors that have entered the picture causing some difficulty in making an estimate. One of these is the energy crisis, and the other perhaps more s.i$nificant one, is inflation. Mr. Sipel said that in general he felt the city was very close to over-coasn1tting itself. Further, he said the city was perhaps three or four years away from having to fund Capital improvements Projects of any major nature in other than a pay-as-you-go manner. He reminded Council that the city had roughly ale million dollars unappropriated in the Capital Improvements Fund which could be used for all Tanner of capital projects, and that is a helpful situation. In the future, if the city is going to consider major capital improvements, there would be a change in the way things were done. He did not feel that change would be any different if this budget were approved, or one that would be $125,000 less or more. Councilman Sher noted that Mr. Sipel had mentioned the energy crisis and inflation as two things that affected the city, and he wondered about new programs with new staff positions. Mr. Sipel responded affirmatively. He did not have a figure on the cost of the new prof;rama, but he thought it was In the neighborhood 6 0 2 6/24/74 of $500,000. While there seems to be a desire to reduce expenditures or keep expenditures from increasing, there is no decrease in the appetite of either the community or the Council for the new programs. What the city wanted to do was to continue to do all the things that had been done previously, add a few new ones that strike the community's fancy, and do it with the same number of employees. Mr. Sipel felt the staff was at the point where that could nn longer be done. Councilman Sher asked if there were a possibility of eliminating some old positions. at. Sipel responded that staff had gone through a process of doing that over the past several years. In fact for the past three years, up until this year, the net increase in the number of employees has been two out of 736. He said if Council wished, he would be happy to run through the number of new programa that Are now being performed and which require additional person power. Councilman Henderson pointed out that last year at this time, it appeared that 24% of the sales tax was being transferred to Capital Improvements. As the year went on, adjustments were made, and the figure was up to 42%, and it now appeared that it would go to 50%. He suggested waiting for a year's experience, and if things started getting really negative at the and of the year, then this subject could be talked about. He pointed out the six million dollars in unexpended reserves, and another four m_11io:: dollars appropriated that may be available. Councilman Beahrs agreed wholeheartedly with Councilman ilman Rosenbaum's comments. He felt Mr. Sipe' did much better a year ago on his statement of the problem, and this year Councilman Rosenbaum did brilliantly in stating it. In his opinion, the Council needed to learn to say "no", and the town needed to learn that everything did not grow on trees. The motion to approve the Committee's recommended amendments (a) through (r,) passed on a unanimous vote. Councilman Henderson referred to Item: (r:) on the agenda regarding the deletion of the Programmer B position from the City Controller's Office. He said there was a situation of a Deputy Controller job listed this year which was not filled. For next year the recommendation of staff is to eliminate that position and add the position of Programmer B. Councilman Henderson said he made the notion in Committee, and it was passed unanimously, to remove that position. Mr. Mitchell, City Controller, had stated in a letter the importance of this position, saying that a management audit was being performed of the computing activities, and there will probably be a recommendation in this study to add this position. Councilman Henderson felt it would be prudent to wait for the management recommendations to Committee, and the Council would be making judgments then. MOTION: Councilman Henderson moved on behalf of the Finance and Public Works Committee that the preliminary budget for 1974-75 be ascended to delete the Programmer B position from the City Controller's Office (agenda item 1(n). The motion passed on the following vote: AYES: Berwald, Clay, Henderson, Norton, Sher, Pearson, Rosenbaum NOES: Beahrs 6 0 3 6/24/74 Councilman Henderson referred to Item (o) on the agenda regarding reducing the amount shown for contract keypunching under Data Processing in the City Controller's Office from $4,990 to $2,000. He said that this current year had nothing showing in the budget for contract keypunching under Data Processing, and he and other members of the Committee questioned the $4,990 figure. He pointed out that approximately $700 had been spent so far this year on outside keypunching. MOTION: Councilman Henderson moved on behalf of the Finance and Public Works Committee that the preliminary reduce the amount shown for contract in the City Controller's Office from budget for 1974-75 be amended to keypunching under Data Processing $4,990 to $2,000. The notion passed on a unanimous vote. Councilman Henderson referred to Item (p) on the agenda regarding the -deletion of transportation for senior adults from the Public Works .driniatration Budget, pending evaluation of the Dial -?►-Bus system. 1e said that at the time of the draft budget there was a supplementary program about transportation for senior adults involving the use of taxicabs with a city subsidy per taxi trip. At the Committee's hearin; of the supplelaental budget, Councilman Henderson moved to reduce the amount from approximately $49,000 to $20,000 because of the desire to see what happens with the dial -a -bus system that is to go Into effect in October, He did want to retain enough in the budget to cover senior citizens who would not be able to use buses, in other words, those who were handicapped enough that they would need the taxi service. Also, upon the end of the test period in February or :larch, if the city decided to go into the taxi system, there would be money available. At that point Councilman Berwa1d wade a substitute motion, seconded by Councilman Norton to delete this particular program at this time. MOTION: Councilman Henderson moved on behalf of the ,Finance and Public Works Committee to amend the preliminary budget for 1974-75 by deleting the transportation for senior adults from the Public Works Administration Budget, pending evaluation of the Dial -A -Bus system. Joe Sieve, 1478 Kings Lane, President of the Senior Coordinating Council in Palo Alto, said they had their annual ieeting recently and the one disappointment was that a representative from the city came by and mentioned the fact that this budget item was cut. In 1964 one of the main items noted was the lack of transportation for senior citizens in Palo Alto, and in 1973 it was noted that the lack of transpor- tation was still prevalent. The Senior Coordinating Council asked City Council to reinstate the money and to put the taxicab supplement back into the budget. Mr. Sieve asked Council to reinstate the $48,000 and get started now. If the Dial -A -Bus system worked, then the taxicab idea could be phased out. Councilman Sher said this was one of the new programs he to earlier as is the proposal for the senior center. He the Senior Coordinating Council had any discussion about among the possible new programs. referred asked if priority Mr. Sieve responded that they were given equal priority, and the programs were discussed in much detail. He said they were disappointed at the beginning of this maetinf,; that the Lytton Plaza idea was shelved because they felt it was to ortant to get a seniors center. M4.r. Sieve pointed out that it wits revenue sharing funds being discussed. 604 6/24/74 Wendy Comstock, 2137 Wellesley, was the Project Director in charge of the study of senior residents in the Palo Alto area sponsored by the Senior Coordinating Council. One out of every seven citizens in Palo Alto is sixty years or older, and about one out of fourteen of those sixty years or older need transportation. She said that if Council had the money and the ability to approach this project at all, it might want to think about using it before the Diai-A-Bus comes because that would be a while, and the need is now. She added that perhaps some of the funds could be appropriated to implement the taxi program immediately and have the flexibility to phase out later. Councilman Rosenbaum commented that the Dial -A -Bug system was coring in October, and it is a system where you call up and the bus comes to your door to take you anywhere in Palo Alto for ten cents. He questioned whether the city 'should be going into competition with the county at this time, and he pointed out that the cab system would not start until just about the same time as the county bus system. In terms of priority, he did not feel this was the place to put money until it can be shown that the county system can not fill the bill. Councilman Rosenbaum said he had suggested consideration of the use of taxicabs for the handicapped, those seniors who simply cannot use the bus system. He noted Mr. Sipel had some objection to that because he thought it would be difficult to determine just who would be eligible. He did not feel this was an overwhelming problem, and he would be willing to put the money in with the requirement that staff direct the service to those who cannot use the bus. Councilman Berwald agreed with Councilman Rosenbaum and commented this was not a value judgment on the program, but a reasonable and prudent deferral until there is an evaluation of the Dial -A --Bus program before commiting large amounts of funds. Councilman Henderson had recommended reducing the funds to $20,000, but Mr. Sipel commented that he felt Council should wait. Councilman Berwaid explained this was a deferral, not a cancellation, and certainly not a judgment on the ultimate virtue of the program. Councilman Clay asked if Dial -A -Bus would be on schedule and actually be ready for use in October. Councilman Rosenbaum felt reasonably confident about this. He explained that the buses are coming into the county right now, and he had seen the Dial -A -Bus setup, and the computers were there. The people installing the computers are those who installed the first system in New Jersey which had been very successful. The equipment and the expertise is there, and operation should begin in October. Councilman Clay asked Councilman Henderson what his rationale had been for recommending the reduction from $►9,000 to $20,000. Councilman Henderson responded that he would like to put in a program now for the senior citizens who are handicapped. Vice Mayor Pearson asked if it were correct that the taxi system would not start before October. Councilmen Henderson responded that hie felt it would start sooner than that. Mr. Sipel stated that the program could_probably be gotten into operation in the neighborhood of September 1, but perhaps a little later. 6.0 S 6/24/74 SUBSTITUTE MOTION; Councilman Henderson moved, seconded by Rosenbaum, that the transportation for Senior Adults in the Public Works Administration Budget, be reduced from $48,000 to $20,000 for the elderly handicapped. Councilman Sher asked if this money would be designated for the handicapped, and was there some income limitation. See pg; 24 7/15/75 See pg.-24 7/15/74 Councilman Henderson replied that it would be for any handicapped senior citizen, and he supposed if there were fiscal limitations imposed under the general program, then they would be applied to this program. Councilman Sher asked if fiscal limitations were intended. Mr. Sipel responded affirmatively. Councilman Beahrs said that for the difference of one month, the proposition as on the agenda should prevail. Mx. Sipel in responding to the substitute notion presently on the floor said he did not feel he could speak definitively to some of the problems in administering a program for the handicapped elderly, He knew there would be substantial problems, however, not the least of which could be the difficulties of reaching some kind of an agreement with taxicab companies. In order to iron out some of theoe problems, the program would take longer to implement than the time schedule he had given earlier. Mr, Sipel said he would like to have the opportunity to bring the program back to Council to explain some of the problems and staff's proposed solutions if this motion were to be adopted. Councilman Rosenbaum explained that the county would not have a service for the handicapped in October. There are people in wheelchairs and people who cannot get up the bus steps, and county service for this group would come much later. Councilman Clay asked if the motion implied that the service would continue after Dial -A -Bus. Councilman Rosenbaum responded affirmatively. Vice Mayor Pearson stated support for the substitute motion because she felt that regardless of whether or not the city has Dial -A -Bus, there has to be some way to assist those people who are elderly and who are handicapped. The object now was to get the money into the budget, and when the report came back, decisions could be lade as to how it would be implemented. The substitute motion passed on the following vote: AYES: Clay, Henderson, Pearson, Rosenbaum, Sher NOES: Beahrs, Berwald, Norton Councilman Henderson referred to Item (q) on the agenda concerning the deletion of $18,000 of casual salaries in the Planning Department. He said the draft budget did not have this figure in it, and when the preliminary budget carve out there was an additional $18,000 for two and the -half casual employees. The staff explained this was an oversight at the time, but the motion was made in Committee to delete the $18,000 for casual salaries in the Planning Department. MOTION: Councilman Henderson moved on behalf of the Finance and Public Works Committee to amend the 1974-75 preliminary }budget by deleting $18,000 for casual salaries in the Planning Department. Mr. Sipel said he wanted to draw Council's attention to the staff report sent out on June 21 which indicated some of the: problems that staff would have if this particular amount of money is not included in the budget, One impact would be an elongation of the comprehensive plan work schedule. It was anticipated that the completion date could be moved back by anywhere from three to six months. The other effect would be to change fairly substantially the assignments of current personnel, moving them away from some of the programs in housing and special studies. He explained that the precise impact in the second area was not known, but he assured Council there would be a change in the ability and capacity of the department to respond to the needs of the Council., the Planning Commission, and the community. Councilman Beahrs said he knew there had been considerable criticism of the program of casual employees in the city, but he agreed with the staff that it is better to have some employees on an hourly basis than it is to engage some people as full time employees and have them sometimes sitting with nothing to do. He felt Mr. Sipel had demonstrated good economy over a period of years wa.th this program, and he was disappointed to see it curtailed, particularly in this important area of current interest. Councilman Henderson said he was concerned about delaying the fompr-0hensive General Plea. SUBSTITUTE MOTION: Councilman Henderson moved, seconded by Beahrs, that the 1974-75 preliminary budget be amended by reducing the Planning Depatt=ent budget for casual salaries by $6,000, to a figure of $12,000. Councilman Berwald Stated that each Colnci1 member had hie own appraisal of the work load in each of the depa.rtmsnts in the city, and he disagreed with Xr. Sipel on this particular matter. His position was that the members of the Committee spent a considerable amount of time reviewing the budget, and this particular deletion was one that he looked at very carefully because he did nut want to delay the Comprehensive Plan or anything else. Councilman Berwald felt there was a rather large planning staff, and his observation of their work load was that this move would not delay the completion of the Comprehensive Plana He supported the mrigina1 motion. The substitute motion passed on the following vote: AYES: Beahra, Clay, Henderson, Pearson Sher, Rosenbaum NOES: Berwald, Norton Councilman Henderson referred to Item (r) on the agenda having to do with flexible staffing in the Police Department to more expeditiously replace police officers who leave the force. This is a program to train new police officers ahead of their need, and as replacements are required, there would be trained people stepping in. 1 MOTION: Councilman Henderson moved on behalf of the Finance and Public Works Committee that Council approve the reduction in flexible staffing position* from six to four in the Police Department. The motion paused on a unanimous vote. 6► 0 7 6/24/74 MOTION: Vice Mayor Pearson moved, seconded by Henderson, that item (5), a Hunan Relations Commission recommendation for funds for the Affirmative Action program, be taken cut -of -order to be considered along with item (s) recommending a reduction of funds for the Affirmative Action program. The motion passed on a unanimous vote. Councilman Henderson referred to item (s) on the agenda concerning the Affirmative Action Program and stated that at the original draft budget ti e approximately $65,000 was put in for Affirmative Action in the regular departmental budget, and another $59,000 was recommended for a supplemental budget program. ;he Crsmmittee divided two to two on the additional $59,000 so it failed. Mr. Sipel directed that the full amount of $122,°300 be put in the preliminary budget, and this then came before Committee for ratification of the full amount. Councilman Henderson recalled that he made the notion for ratifying the full amount, but it died for lack of a second. Councilman Berwald discussed the breakdown of the program in relation to the minority program, the women's program, and made the motion to reduce the proposed amount by $50,000, so that the figure was rounded off to $73,000. Ht. Norton stated that he did not want that to be considered a total elimination of the women's program and that some positions for women should be included in the $73,000. The $73,000 figure was passed unanimously. At that meeting, Council -::an Henderson atated he did not support the reduction but was voting :car the $73,000 because he wanted something in there for Affirmative Action. MOTION: Councilman Henderson moved on behalf of the Finance and Public Works Committee that the Affirmative Action Program maintained in various departments be :educed to a total of $73,000. Councilman Rosenbaum noted that in Exhibit B of the budget amendment there is a list of specific additions a_!d programs under the Affirmative Action Program which had been deleted, and he did not see that this was the Committee action. He asked just how that carne about. Mt. Sipel responded that was staff's reading of the Committee's intent at the meeting when the change was made. Kathy Henke, 1520 Awalt Court, Loa Altos, stated that NOW members were present at this meeting not only to present their analyses and reactions to Affirmative Action plans and related budget items, but also to ask for action. She said that NOW members had been in maetinge with the city staff fox three months concerning Affirmative Action for Women. City staff had repeatedly advised NOW that the city's goals for women are realistic, and that it is impossible to set them higher. After repeated requests and a month's delay, turnover statistics were ride available last week to NOW. It is now clear to the organization why the goals are limited. The yearly turnover rate along female city employees is triple that of males. Ma. Henke asked why women left the city work force at such a high rate. It was NOW's belief that it was frustration at finding themselves in low -paying, dead- end jobs. NOW was told that not enough woman am applying, and yet there was no effort until last v'eek to reach woman through such groups as the Wr en' a Resource Center, New Ways to Work, NOW chapters, or even the newspapers. The city needs to make it clear to all the women in the area that they are now eligible for positions traditionally denied them. NOW was not asking the City of Palo Alto to compromise quality for quantity, since they were certain that there are many educated, qualified, and even over -qualified, women in this area who would be interested if approached or informed by an intensive recruitment 6 0 8 6/24/74 program. If the city needs help in this area, the San Francisco office of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission would be glad to respond with their expertise. She noted that staff had preferred not to confer with this respected agency. As to the question of creating training positions in order to introduce women into such departments as Public Works or Firefighters, NOW considered this an inefficient use of city funds. It is not necessary to create new lower level positions, but merely to aeek out and hire qualified women as positions become available. She requested thee the $50,000 be reinstated in the Affirmative Action budget and that it be utilized not for training positions but for intensive recruitment of women. Judy Andrews, 2253 Santa Ana, stated she would be presenting ;IOW's position on the Affirmative Action budget and goals. She requested that the $50,000 be reinstated in the budget, but more than that, from the city's point of view, cutting out money for women and not for minorities is illegal and is grounds for cutting off of federal funding. She said this was especislly true in light of the fact that Palo Alto's deficiency is nine times as bad for women as it is for minorities. Ma. Andrews said that if a woman comes in on a lower th:sn ordinary level, such as a trainee position, she would never quite gain the status among her peers as she would if she came in under ordinary means. She felt the training position assumed there were no qualified women, and that was an affront to the capabilities of women. NOW desired that the money be used for outreach recruitment which may require additional staff and in advertising. She pointed out that the California Highway Patrol got 1,500 fezale applicants for forty jobs after doing an adequate !ecruitrent effort. MR, Andrews expressed concern about the Affirmative Action goals. 'women comprise 38 of the labor force in Palo Alto which is the compliance goal for federal funding. Palo Alto employs 202 women, aLd their goal of 262 in five years is 12% deficient. On the other hand in this area, Palo Alto employs 232 minorities, and the planned goal for five years fro now is 28 or 291. This was a laudable goal for minorities. The goats for minorities had already been reached; however, there were spot deficiencies of certain types of minorities, and male minorities ace deficient in management. Banically, the major problem that faces Palo Alto is its deficiencies for white and minority women. This had been discussed a nember of times with members of the Personnel Department and George Sipel. They had asked many times for figures from Mr. Sipel to prove to NOW that his 262 figure was the highest attainable, and they received the figures last week. The figures revealed a 16.9% turnover rate for women, and a turnover rate that high indicates a low morale problem. When NOW analyzed the figures, they found some serious discrepancies. Page 4 of the staff report states "Achievement of these goals is based on projected turnover, and the assumption that approximately one of every two appointments will be a woman or minority, and that the size of the work force well remain constant. In the event that new positions are added to the work force, it is suggested that at least 502 would be filled by minorities or women". The handout from NOW shows there is no way that the Affirmative Action goal that Mx. Sipel sets can be achieved given the 502 figures, the reason being that because of the high turnover rate of women, Palo Alto has to hire 422 women every year just to maintain a 202 figure of women in the work force. NOW had received a telephone call the morning of the sheeting date saying there was a revision of the figures. Mr. Sipel changed his maximum hiring rate for minorities and women to 652 and to 452 for minority and white women. It would be necessary for Palo Alto to hire 57.62 women in order to reach the 262 goal set up by Mx. Sipel. Ms. Andrews stated that unless the city decided to create 130 more jobs .tn the next five years, this figure is completely unreasonable. She said NOW representatives would 6=J 9 6/24/74 like to discuss this whole matter with city representatives in more detail, and so she requested that the matter of investigating these discrepancies and the development of a compliant Affirmative Action goal be done by the city's Policies and Procedures Committee. With help from Council, Palo Alto could have a viable Affirmative Action program for minorities and women. Robert Hopkins, 7 Fair Oaks Lane, Atherton, member of NOW, wished to draw Council's attention to some of the enforcement mechanisms that are aubstantial considerations in this matter. It appears that the action so far has essentially considered the forcefulness of the EEOC and the OFCC to be a trivial issue. Mr. Hopkins wanted to warn. Council that as a matter of fact, it is sot. The EEOC has been building it1 activities to a substantial degree, but more immediate is the interest of the Office of Federal Contract Compliance which is the office responsible for the compliance of holders cf contracts with the federal government and receiving federal money. The OFCC Revised Order Four sets out numerous considerations that are not accommodated in the present Palo Alto Affirmative Action program. It was Mr. Hopkins' point that this office did win compliance, and NOW was concerned that Council recognise this as a matter of prudence. He summed up by saying that job discrimination would end when companies find out that it will cost more money in baekpay and litigation than to irnpler.ent fair practices. Joanne Cosmos, 642 Keats Court, stated that she had been employed for the past twenty years and for the past fifteen years held management positions. She noted that in the City Controller's Department, 68. of the employes are female, yet there is not even one of those females in a mat agement position. Ms. Cosmos wanted to know if this meant there were no qualified female accountants in this area, or was it a perpetuation of the myth that women make fine bookkeepers and men make fine accountants. Furthermore, if a vacancy occurs, there is no provision for promoting a qualified woman from that department or from some other department or seeking a qualified woman from the outside. :pis. Cosmos felt it was imperative that the city reinstate the $50,000 to the Affirmative Action progr3.m and that it be earmarked primarily for recruitment and outreach. Dr. Donna Dental, 7 Fair Oaks Lane, Atherton, stated that the people who made up the Affirmative Action program suffered from time lag, which was a serious disorder because it had to do with decades. Dr. Dental said this disease tended to infect middle --class males who are in decision --making positions, but the resulting pain and suffering is borne by the 51% of the population who fa female. She said the City of Palo Alto is way back in about 1930 because it wants to increase the women's work force in its employ from 20% to 26Z which is where women were in 1930. One of the myths that people with this disease has is that women just work for pin money. Two-thirds of women work because they are widowed, divorced, separated, single, or their husbands earn less than $7,000; in short, they need the money. Those who made up the plan state they cannot find any qualified women; however, there are 43% women with B.A. degrees, 30Z with M.A., and 12% Ph.D. Even when women are qualified and have bachelor's degrees, the statistics show that such women have jobs that pay approximately equivalent to a man who has an eighth grade education. This is primarily due to the fact that the traditional female jobs are the law -paying jobs. Dr. Dental felt that advice given by the Palo Alto Chapter of NOW should be followed; otherwise, there might be secondary complications. Vice Mayor Pearson commented that even if a woman has the same job as a man, she is often paid less; and this was something that she knew from experience. b 1 0 6/24/74 Ann Barone, 497 Westlake Drive, expressed concern about the Affirmative Action plan. There are deficiencies, and there are obviously many questions and points that need clarification. The matter needs further discussion and community input and a lot of revision. She asked that Council separate the Affirmative Action plan from the Affirmative Action budget, and that it be made clear that the approval of the budget in no way implies approval of the Affirmative Action plan. She asked Council to refer the Affirmative Action plan to the Policy and Procedures Committee where it could receive further consideration. Vice Mayor Pearson felt strongly that the whole Council had never really addressed this subject and it should be done in a public forum. She hoped that the subject of the Affirmative Action program would be referred to the Policy and Procedures Committee, first of all getting the money into the budget, and then addressing this program where there could be the kind of input presently being experienced. Councilman Henderson noted that most of the time was being spent discussing the Affirmative Action program itself, which in a sense is a mistake because that should be discussed in detail in Committee. He would like to see the program out of the way so that tonight's issue would be budget. REFERRAL MOTION: Councilman Bcrwald moved, seconded by Henderson, that the Affirmative Action program be referred to the Policy and Procedures Committee, Councilman Clay asked if this would end the public presentation on this item. Vice Mayor Pearson replied that if it did not go to Committee, then the public would go on with presentations. Councilman Clay noticed that during statements made at this meeting NOW separated women from minorities, whereas Executive Order Four includes minorities and women. He said he did not see the minority representation among the meTebers of NOW. Councilman Clay addressed the motion by saying that Affirmative Action has to do with hiring, firing, end promoting, and all of that was quite clearly within the City Yaaaager ' s domain. He did not ;eal this utter had any business before Council, let alone the Policy and Procedures Committee. Councilman Clay indicated full support of a qualitative and quantitative Affirmative Action program, but he took some exception to the suggestion that the money requested ought to be allocated toward trainee positions. To him, trainee positions imply inferior quality and that does disservice to both parties, that is - the employee and the employer. If there were any question about management or staff, city employee reorientation with regard to accepting an Affirmative Action program, he felt that, too, was part of the City Manager's responsibilities. NOW representatives sad made a request that training positions be withheld and that the money be put toward development of an Affirmative Action program. Councilman Clay said he had difficulty reconciling not ,just the $122,000 but even the $73,000 with the recommendations that have been made at this meeting regarding a change in the way -the money would be spent in affecting a quality Affirmative Action program. He stated he would be willing to support the $73,000 ou the assumption that the City Manager needs resources to implement a program, the goals of which he has laid out. Councilman Clay telt the implementation of this is again, a City Manager's prerogative. It was his opinion that Council should give support to the goals but should not get into the implementation of them. He would like to accept the goals_ as set forth by the City Manager, look again a year from now, and determine hog; well he has done toward meeting those goals, thus measuring his effectiveness 6 1 1 6/24/74 as a Manager on that basis. He stated firm opposition to having this matter go to the Policy and Procedures Committee. Councilman Rosenbaum suggested that perhaps Mr. Sipel would lik' to comment since the NOW organization was not happy with his original program, and at least some Council members have said they are not happy with trainee positions. He asked Mr. Sipel if he saw this as a personnel matter. Mr. Sipe' stated he appreciated the opportunity to respond. He said he also appreciated the inputs received from varioue inte4ested parties. In terms of where the responsibility lies, there was no doubt in his mind that the responsibility was with the City Manager to implement the program. There are some very important charter provisions that relate to the administration of the personnel system, and they clearly point out that the personnel system ana its administration Is the City Manager's prerogative. It has been on that basis that he had taken the initiative to develop the present program. He said he would be concerned about a referral to the Committeeon the basis of what would the purpose be of referral. If the desire is for further information on the program, response to the many questions, allegations, and statements that had been made tonight, then chat could certainly be provided in the form of a written report. If Council wanted to talk abort it taen, he would be happy to do so in a public meeting. However, if the purpose of the referral is to do something with the goals, he suggested that a Committee would not have that prerogative. In his opinion, Council did not have the prerogative to change the goals, since he felt that would be a violation of the charter. Mr. Sipel pointed out that he had the responsibility to hire and fire people, and that is what was being talked about. As far as the other details of program administration go, whether there would be training positions, how much they would cost, etc., he would be glad to have all the input he could get. He would appreciate whatever funding was given him, and he would do the best he could in achieving the goals. There should also be no doubt as to what the goat is that of mirroring the relationship of the work force. In respect to minorities, that would be 25%; and with respect to women, it is 3E1. The difference is one of how fast those goals would be met. Mr. eipe1 said he could not sit at this meeting of on any other night and say he could do something that he knows: he cannot do. Furthermore, nobody could tell him that he ought to do it, and that included City Council. Mr. Sipel felt strongly about that since nobody else has to administer the program, nobody on the Council, and nobody in the audience. He alone was the person who had to administer it, and he was the one who knew whether or not it could be administered. Further, he was the one who was willing to put himself on the line, so to speak, to administer the program he had outlined. A lot of people think that it is a fairly aggressive program; some people in the audience do not. However, it is the people in the organization who are going to administer it. He apologized for being a little emotional, but he explained that he felt very strongly about the objectives of the program and the responsibilities that he had as the City Manager of Palo Alto. Councilman Henderson asaumed that Mr. Sipel would be welcoming the support of Committee and Council, and he agreed that it is the City Manager's program. He felt though, that the Council should understand it since Council had to fund it. It had been presented as a supplemental budget program, and therefore, Council members had been brought into the act. In that sense, Council does get involed, and he thought it would be advantageous to go to Committee and to understand what the program is all about. Councilman Henderson said he wanted to 1 S 1 2 6/24/74 mention the feelings he had in relation to the criticism that the City Manager had been taking. He stated that he, too, felt quite strongly about this subject and got very involved with it in the Finance Committee, and he had talked to Mr. Sipel privately. Councilman Henderson recognized Mr. Sipel's personal sincere dedication to this program, and said he had never heard him come on more strongly about anything in all the time he had been on Council. Mr. Sipel had given all kinds of details as to where the shortages are in given departments and, how the city cannot increase a certain number in five years without actually dismissing people. He repeated that he was very supportive of Mr. Sipel's efforts and felt he was going way beyond what mrst cities are doing at this point. It was his hope that Council members could be convinced to support this, since they should be behind the program and working with the City Manager. Councilman Sher asked Mr. Booth if Council had any jurisdiction over goals of this kind, and could Council recommend adoption of a program different from the one set forth by ;sir. Sipel. Mr. Booth explained that Council's control weaves in and out of the charter. Budgeting is one area of control, adoption of a merit system is another one. The basic control over hiring, promotions, establishment of salaries of nearly all the city employees is vested in the City Manager; and the Charter specifically prohibits what is described as interference and influence ir, administrative affairs. The basic procedures for employment of personnel are vested in the City Manager. Councilman Sher said than: in light of that respolase, if the matter did go to Committee it should take the form that Mr. Sipel suggested. There should be a further report from the City Manager about the program, elaborating upon it and responding to points that had been raised at this meeting. The Committee should consider that report and response, and if it is not satisfied with the answers produced there; smatters could be further discussed with Mr. Sipel. It does not go to the extent of the Committee being able to recommend a different program for Council to adopt. Councilman Sher said he would support a referral to Committee in that form. Vice Mayor Pearson stated she did not want to get into an area where Council was not supposed to be such as hiring and firing, but she did feel the matter should be aired publicly. She also felt Mr. Sipel would be better off if he had Council and Committee support for the program. Vice Mayor Pearson liked the way Councilman Sher phrased it, and she would now assume the referral motion was in that vein, Councilman Berweld noted that at the May 28 meeting, there was a motion to approve the Affirmative Action Program and he made the comment "he was proud of the staff's record thus fax and recommended the Committee support the staff's proposal. He asked Aix-. Sipel to consider other places in the budget where cuts could be made in order to include the program." The motion to add the Affirmative Action Program to the budget failed on a two -to -two vote, with Councilman Berwald voting for it, along with Councilman Henderson. He said he wanted to mention that because he did support Mr. Sipel on this program, and he felt it was a very worthwhile program. His only pzoblen was with the budget. Councilman Berwald said he made his motion with the idea of not directing the City Manager to change his Affirmative Action Program but to ask questions and to be able to understand it more, and to be able to spread the various facts out on the record. Councilman Berwald pointed out that all other personnel matters were talked about in Executive Session, and he asked Mr. Booth why Council could net consider talking about this one in Executive Session. 6 1 3 6/24/74 Mr. Booth replied that he supposed this matter could be discussed in Executive Session, but most personnel matters held in Executive Session are normally for the ratification or consideration of an appointment, or for the review of a performance of an individual employee as distinguished from a discussion of general overall policies for the entire city operation. Coincilman Clay stated he did not feel Council could get part way into this, tell the City Manager what he should do, expect him to implement it, then came back in six months and criticize hire on a program that was jointly devised between Council and the City Manager. He saw no point in spending four hours in the Policy and Procedures Committee and spending that much more time again at Council level on something which according to City Charter, Council could not influence. The referral motion passed on the following vote: AYES: Berwald, Henderson, Pearson, Rosenbaum, Sher NOES; Beahro, Clay, Norton Ann Barone recommended that the recommendation of the Finance and Public Forks Committee be rejected, and she wondered if the Committee was aware of all the statistics when they made their recommendation. She stated it was very important that the $50,000 be reinstated and that it be earmarked for ;;oven and not for trair,i.ng purposes. Council,:an Clay asked if NOW representatives were separating women from minorities. Ms. Barone responded negatively. Councilman Clay said that some of the co:; ents he had heard earlier made hiss feel that NOW was aayirg minority enrollment should be held where it now is. He stated the issue to be a very confusing one unless NOW states that it is separating women from minorities. TLi. Barone replied that goals for women and minorities should be pursued with equal vigor. Linda Gregory, representative for Service Employee's Local 115, stated she was not present to represent one group of employees at the expense of another. She said they had both minorities and women in their membership, and their interests were represented equal°:y with all the other members. Ms. Gregory urged the city to bring its work force into some kind of conformance wi h the work force of the community. She also urged that the proposed cut in the affirmative Action budget be restored. Ms. Gregory said her group affirmed the trainee position and considered it in the same light as an apprentice position. Councilman Clay said that since this utter had been referred to the Policy and Procedures Committee, and since Council was looking at a dollar figure for "something", that "something" presumably would not be determined until after the Policy and Procedures Committee meeting and until it had made recommendations back to Council, Therefore, he wanted to know how Council could rationally= appropriate a dollar figure. Councilman Henderson responded that Council web consulting itself to a certain expenditure for this program and simply indicating that it wanted to put money into the budget for Affirmative Action. If you did not do this, and the program came along, then you gat into the problem of a two-thirds vote. As far as he was co•acerned, this was the way to say he wanted an Affirmative Action Program. 614 4;'/' '/ 6124/74 Councilman Clay asked if it were not irresponsible to allocate $73,000 as a specific amount without having a program defined. Vice Mayor Pearson pointed out that a lot of things were put into the budget at this time that are not really firmed up. There was no reason to not get the money in there now, and determine later what is needed to be known about the Affirmative Action Program. Councilman Clay said he was being asked to approve the allocation of a specific amount of money for something that is not clearly defined. Hr. Sipel responded that last year staff began on this program, and in the 1973-74 budget there were funds allocated for Affirmative Action in the amount of $40 to $45 thousand dollars. In effect, they are being requested for refunding. SUBSTITUTE MOTION: Councilman Clay moved, seconded by Beahrs, that Council act on the $45,000 for the Affirmative Action ongoing program and everything else be deferred until after the Policy and Procedures Committee has met and made ita recommendations. Vice Maayor Pearson said she did not believe that was possible. It was the recommendation of the Committee to reduce the Affirmative Action Program to $73,000. She asked If she understood correctly that Councilman Clay was reducing it further. Councilman Clay responded affirmatively. Vice Mayor Pearson ruled Councilman Clay's motion not in order because you cannot undo something that you have already got going. CHAIR CHALLENGED: Councilman Beahrs challenged the chair on this point. The challenge to the chair was upheld on the following vote: AYES: Beahrs, Berwald, Clay, Henderson, Norton, Sher, Rosenbaum NOES: Pearson Vice Mayor Pearson steteu that Council now had before it a substitute motion reducing the $]23,000 figure to $45,000 for the Affirmative Action program. Councilman Sher said he voted to sustain the challenge because he felt it was in order to change the amount, but he did not agree with Councilman Clay's analysis. The points raised related to whether Mr. Sipel veto shooting too lot, and whether the $50,000 ought to be in the budget, and if so, how it should be spent. If the $73,000 were approved, it would go for what had been proposed. If the $50,000 were approved, decisions Would have to be made as to whether it went for training positions, intensive recruitment, etc. He felt there was enough in the way of a program: for the money to be appropriated. Councils Clay said the comment had been wade that the money should be spent to intensify the effort to find qualified women, and he felt that same thing should apply to minorities. If this matter went to Committee, he wanted it to look et the total program for minorities and women, because he did not want to separate the two. He commented that if the program is intact, there is no reason to have referral to Committee. If it is not, then it does not make sense to allocate money for it. That was the contradiction he saw in the proposed action. 615 6/24/74 Councilman Norton stated he would continue to support the Committee's recommendation. He sympathized with Councilman Clay's statements, but he thought that Council was at this meeting to give an indication of the level of what it thought would be appropriate for the Affirmative Action purpose. Considering everything, he felt the Committee's recommenda- tion was at an appropriate level; and he would continue to vote for it. Mary Cottrell., Chairman of the Human Relations Commission, said the Commission endorsed the Affirmative Action Program. She felt all of the commissioners would be in support of the referral motion, and she expressed concern over the thought of bringing the funding down to an even lower level. Councilman Henderson wanted to clarify for Council that if they voted "no" on the $45,000, the item would be back to $73,000 as recommended by the Committee, and if they voted "no" on the $73,000, it would be back'to $123,000. Vice Mayor Pearson stated $123,000 was not too much when talking about minorities, and she included women in that definition, since even though they were the majority of people, they were treated like minorities. She died not feel sure that training programs for minorities were not necessary, since the City Clerk's office specifically was trying to hire minorities and found that they really did need to be trained. She agreed there were many highly qualified women in the area, but perhaps they were qualified for the wrong types of }ohs; therefore, perhaps they too needed some training when coming into another kind of job. Further, she said she did not hear the p.opie in the audience separating women from minorities. What she heard them saying was that there was a great effort in Palo Alto on the part of minorities but not such a great effort regarding women. You have to have money if you are going to have a program, and she would not support $45,000 since that is going backwards. Councilman Clay stated he was willing to accept the Committee's recommenda- tion on the basis of having a program that Council was here and now going to accept. Since that is not the case, as a responsible person, the only thing he could do was support that part of the budget now that he could identify. He was not saying, however,, that the budget for Affirmative Action ought to be limited to $45,000; but that it should be $45,000 now until the program was better defined. Councilman Beahrs stated his total agreement with Councilman Clay and his feeling that his position was a clear and absolutely realistic one. The substitute motion to reduce the amount to $45,000 failed on the following vote; AYES: Eea.hrs, Clay NOES: Berwalds Henderson, Pearson, Norton, Rosenbaum, Sher Councilmen Rosenbaum stated he had suggested at one time a seduction of almost the same amount as recommended by the Committee, but with different positions eliminated. He had been willing to keep one training position in the Fire Department and one in the Public Utility area, and the Committee came up with another plan. He said he would like to keep the amount the same but essentially eliminate the positions deleted in Exhibit B and leave that to Mr. Sipel's discretion. Mx. Sipel responded that he would appreciate such flexibility. One of the hangups would be in terms of having one or more trainee positions 016 6/24/74 in the compensation plan which could then be used in the Public Works Department or the Utilities Department as staff determined as opposed to the Fire Department. AMENDMENT: Councilman Rosenbaum moved, seconded by Sher, that a phrase be added at the end of the Committee's recommendation saying that the spending be determined by the City Manager. Councilman Berwald said there had been some misunderstanding about the intent of the deletion of the $59,000, Some people had said his intent in making that motion was to reduce the program for women, and that was not true. He did say that he felt the women would not need as much training as minorities might. Councilman Berwald said that statement was not acceptable to some, and he in fact somewhat retreated from that position. He stated full support for Councilman Rosenbaun's amendment. Councilman Berwald said ha wanted to comment why he would approve the motion as le without any addition to the $73,000. The fact of the matter is that the city has had a training activity as long as it has been in existence, People are trained. The job of a manager is defined as the development of men, not the director of things. This is an ongoing task of management, and he did not agree that the Affirmative Action Program could not be accomplished with $73,000. The amendment passed on. a unanimous vote. See pg,24 7/15/74 The notion adopting the Committee's reco on the following vote: rendation, as amended, passed AYES: Beahrs, Berwald, Clay, Norton, Rosenbaum, Sher NOES: Henderson, Pearson MOTION: Vice Mayor Pearson coved, seconded by Henderson, that Item No. 3 on the agenda with regard to a paramedic program be moved forward on the agenda to be considered with (t). The motion paaeed on a unanimous vote. MOTION: Councilman Henderson moved on behalf of the Finance and Public Works Committee that the 197,-75 preliminary budget be amended to add one additional firefighter position to the budget and $126,320 to the Fire Department budget to implement the Paramedic Program. Councilman Sher asked staff how much of the $126,320 would be an annual amount in the budget as distinguished from the first year cost. Mr. Brown responded that the first year costs including the paramedic van and equipment are $101,360, The total cost other than the first year training costs and paramedic costs are $67,764. Councilman Sher scid then that the first year non -recurring coat would be the difference between $126,320 and $67,760, and the new program costs would be basically for salaries, etc. He said as he understood these discussions in Committee, the Fire Department position was that they were in favor of the program, they vented to see it in operation, and then they wanted it -reviewed to see whit the impact was on fire fighting potential and whether there might be a ueed for additional purposes. Jay Gellert of the City Manager's Office, responded that thie was everybody's position since it was a new program. It should be tried and then evaluated after there was some experience. 6 1 7 6/24/74 Councilman Sher asked when staff would estimate the review would take place. Mx. Gellert said that if the operation was going on January 1, then enough data could be available to snake an evaluation after ninety days. Councilman Sher said that if it turned out the program had a detrimental impact on the fire fighting potential of the department, and more employees are necessary, and the amount is raised considerably, was the city irrevocably com ited to the program or would it be in a position to back away. Mx. Sipel stated there was no change in the coot of the paramedic program, What is different is how much the rest of the fire fighting services are costing the city. The paramedic program takes two persons, staffed twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. The cost of that has not changed from staff's earlier reports, and the cost of the training has not changed, and the coat of the paramedic van has not really changed. If the city is going to provide paramedic service, then that level of staffing is needed. Staff suggested in its report to reduce the on duty manpower strength from what it presently is end then increase it again with the two persons, so they were dapping into costs that were presently being incurred rather than reducing the incremental costs of paramedics. Councilman Sher asked if it turned out at a later date that the switch fn manpower was not working out and it was necessary to hire more fire fighters so that the total cost was more, was the city irrevocably committed to the program. Mr. Sipel felt he have to come from that if it turned difficult to back could not answer that, and part of the answer would community response to the service. His guess was out to be effective program, then it would be fairly down on it. Councilman Sher felt very uncertain about going forward on that bas's when one of the conditions from the Committee was that they liked the idea of the paramedic program but that the ataff4ng and costs needed to be worked out, He said he would be voting for it viewing it on a one year basis. Vice Mayor Pearson pointed out that the Committee asked that there be a review at the end of six months and also another review at the end of one year, so there would be tin option to look at the program and determine whether it was getting out of hand, or whether the city wanted to continue. This subject was also contingent upon whether aoaaa funding could be gotten from the county, which is about to launch a program. Adrienne Kwong, Santa Clara County Commission on the Status of Women, said that in her last job she was a member of the Assessment Lab Teary that provided an Assessment Lab for the City of Palo Alto to have captaincy promotions. She hoped that when the position of a new firefighter was considered that the city would take a vigorous approach to filling that position with a minority person or a woman. Vice Mayor Pearson stated that Me. Kwong might be interested in knowing that she had wade a comment in regard to Affirmative Action saying that she hoped someday there would be a paramedic unit consisting of all win and that there might be personnel in the Fire Department known as firewomen. 6 1 8 6/24/64 The motion passed on a unanimous vote. 1 MOTION: Councilman Henderson moved on behalf of the Finance and Public Works Committee re the paramedic program that Council direct (staff to actively seek funding for training costs, equipment, and any additional funding from the county and other sources and report to Council, and that Council direct staff to provide more information as to the possibilities of revenues from the county for the Barron Park area and by same type of user charge method for receiving revenues. Councilman Sher asked if there should not be some reference to the possibility of revenues from Stanford. Councilman Henderson said Stanford was not mentioned because of the eervi+;ea the hospital will perform. It was a trade-off in that Stanford would not be charging Palo Alto people for their involvement {n emergency room, for example, and Palo Alto would be providing the paramedic part of it to Stanford. Councilman Sher asked for more information. Mr. Sipel replied that Stanford was supplying the actwal staffing in the emergency roots and as well, some fairly substantial capital costs in the neighborhood of six or eight thousand dollars for cu?rrnunciations equipment. The motion passed on a unanimous vote. Ajlournment The meeting adjourned at 12:55 25, 1974. a. a. until 7:30 p.m., Tuesday, June 6 1 4 6/24/74