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Special Meeting
December 4, 2017
The City Council of the City of Palo Alto met on this date in the Council
Chambers at 5:13 P.M.
Present: DuBois, Filseth, Holman, Kniss, Kou, Scharff, Tanaka, Wolbach
Absent: Fine
Public Art Commission
Present: Gordon, Migdal, Miyaji, Shen
Absent: Ross, Taylor, Zelkha
Study Session
1. Joint Meeting With the Public Art Commission - Discussion of
Accomplishments and Future Initiatives.
Mayor Scharff: We're here for a Study Session with the Public Art Commission (PAC). Why don't we just go around and introduce the
Commissioners to the Council? I don't think we all know you. You guys
were going to kick this off.
Jim Migdal, Public Art Commission, Chair: Thank you for having us. We're
excited to be here. This is the first year where we, after having done the
master planning process, have actually done a bunch of the things that are
in the Master Plan. That's an exciting place to be. We are looking forward
to it coming up in discussion. We're going to go through some of the
different programs and things that we've accomplished over the course of
the last year with Staff or Staff has really accomplished. Let's just have a
discussion. We'd love to hear your input, things you guys have been hearing
from other folks in Palo Alto. First off, Code: ART. We talked about—
where's Karen? We talked about doing things where we activate alleyways
and can find art in surprising spots. Code: ART was our first pass at doing
this. It gave us a chance to try to see what works in different places, how
much work does it take. We learned a lot. It was a lot of work, but it was a
huge success. We had over 10,000 visitors. We had 15 different teams
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from the Bay Area, ten businesses that partnered with us. You'll see a new
piece of printed material on Code: ART. We also got funding from the
National Endowment of the Arts (NEA). I don't know how forthcoming that's
going to be in the future. We also had a couple of local businesses that
participated just across the street, Houzz, Palantir, and other local
businesses and then Verizon as well as Institutes from the Future. This
brought a lot of foot traffic to—I don't know if you guys remember or were
here for Code: ART, but we had a ton of people wandering out. It was a
beautiful weekend. Friday and Saturday night, there were a ton of people
just wandering around, meeting the artist. It felt like we were punching way
above our weight in terms of what we're doing with art. We'll hold questions
to the end if we can. Let's move ahead. Commissioner Gordon's going to
talk about policy stuff and temporary public art as well as some awards
we've won.
Loren Gordon, Public Art Commissioner: Hi. I know this is a busy slide, but
it's basically telling you how we're making progress on our Public Art Master
Plan. Looking at short term, locate art in unexpected places. As Jim just
said, we successfully hosted Code: ART last summer in June. Another thing
we'd like to point out to you is that we installed some very cool benches
designed by Colin Selig. Those are still on University Avenue and—do we
have a couple on California Avenue (Cal. Ave.) or are they all on University
Avenue? University Avenue. In process, to integrate impactful and
permanently sited public art in business areas. You are familiar that we'll
have a new Public Safety facility and garage and also a Downtown garage.
Those are in process. We have a panel for the California Avenue garage.
We've selected artists for the Public Safety Building; it's in process. For the
Downtown parking garage, we've actually selected an artist, Amy
Landesberg. Also in progress, to integrate art into the design of the Junior
Museum and Zoo. We've selected an artist there, Charles Sowers. He's a
San Francisco artist, and we're very excited about him. Also, we are in
progress with the pedestrian bike bridge. We've selected an artist, Mary
Lucking, who is working on a design for that. Looking ahead, using our
available tools to engage the public in the public art program. Our team, Nadya and Elise, have done a great job with Facebook and Instagram and
Twitter as you can see. On Instagram, we've had 131 that are #public art.
In process also, to engage partners in educational initiatives. We have been
working with the Art Center doing an exhibit right now called Play! Toby
Fraley has a piece of work in front here, temporary artwork, The Artwork Forge, where you can create your own artwork by inserting four quarters.
It's kind of cool. We're also, of course, integrating with the Junior Museum
and Zoo with the artist Charles Sowers. In process, to build stronger
connections with Stanford University. It's interesting. We had an award-
winning temporary exhibit called The Running Wall. After that was broken
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down, the 2x4s that were used to construct The Running Wall went to the
Masters in Fine Arts (MFA) program at Stanford. Some other things. Moving
ahead. In process, provide public art training to local artists. We had a
speaker, Franz Myer, here in October 2016. There are a couple of other
things I'd like to mention. Updating our policies to ensure artwork
maintenance, conservation, and collection. We've reviewed them accurately,
and we've also updated the accession policy. There's quite a bit here.
National standards and best practices. We're waiting to approve a murals
policy that's in process. The other stuff, to ensure ongoing Staff support for
successful administration of the Public Art program, that's all ongoing.
Temporary public art. We've had some very interesting installations. Lee
Benson, The Running Wall, that was out on the Plaza. That was designed to
bridge the plaza hardscape with the alley of the trees. The Murmur Wall that
was installed for Code: ART was up until October 2. That was a very interesting structure of steel and acrylic tubing that showed light and digital
text displays. Perhaps you saw that when it was out on the Plaza. Currently
on the Plaza, we have The Artwork Forge by Toby Fraley, which creates
unique artwork for people stopping by. Also Colin Selig's benches, you can
see on the slide there, those are very interesting in that he makes those
from used propane tanks. Basically, turning a wasted object into a
functional seat with what the artist calls a sensual design. I'll have to say
they are quite colorful. We've received a lot of comments about these
benches. This is a collaboration between the Department of Public Works,
Downtown Business and Professional Improvement Association, and Palo
Alto Public Arts. This year, we have won three awards for—our artists have
won three awards for their public art installations. One is one that you're
very familiar with by Susan Narduli. It is the Conversation that is in this
building. It's a great installation. The second is what I mentioned earlier,
The Running Wall. It was a 2x4-structured wall out on the Plaza. The third,
which is pictured here, is on the Visa Building over on Sherman, which is
called Tabula. This is a very interesting piece. They all won awards from
the Americans for the Arts this fall. Thank you. I guess I'm speaking about
the California Avenue tunnel, which is one of my favorite things.
Chair Migdal: Loren, before you go on, procedurally this is a meeting for
discussion. If you want, we're happy to take questions after each section or
do you want to do it at the end? What's easiest for you? Did you have a
question?
Vice Mayor Kniss: Yeah, I have one particularly about the benches. I'm very fond of them. I've talked to Colin about them. My recollection is that
they weren't going to stay forever unless the money was raised to buy them.
Is that correct?
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Ms. Gordon: I'm glad that you're asking that. There was a Go Fund Me for
that, and there was also some funds granted by the artist, but the
Commission has voted and passed to bring the rest of the funds to keep the
benches.
Vice Mayor Kniss: I think they're colorful. They're a conversation piece.
They're also comfortable, which is really the biggest surprise.
Ms. Gordon: They're functional. Thank you for that question.
Vice Mayor Kniss: I'm really glad to hear that.
Ms. Gordon. Tunnels. Tunnels are challenging places for artwork. There's
water seepage, little or no electrical, poor lighting, and 24-hour public use.
In this case, this beloved tunnel had an existing piece of artwork, an
underwater mural painted by Oscar Castillo. Artist Castillo was contacted,
and he approved a second muralist and artist, Morgan Bricca, coming to
repair and enhance this beloved piece to make the Cal. Ave. tunnel a delight for all. I have to say I'm thrilled with the way this mural turned out, and I
hope you are too.
Hsinya Shen, Public Art Commissioner Shen: Hi. I'm going to talk a little bit
about the logo and some of the recent developments and some of the new
developments that are up and coming. Now, we have a logo. You'll find it
on some of the Public Art Commission activities like the art walk that we did
earlier this year. The two public developments. This one you see is from
Stanford. It's by Brad Howe. I think he's known as an abstract sculpturist,
and he's known for his color and playfulness. The other one was the award-
winning one done by Visa. I think it's Charlie Gadeken. What's really
interesting about his artwork—I don't know. It's in the earlier slide. It's on
the Visa Building on Sherman. It's interactive Light Emitting Diode (LED)
light work. The lights changes based on the seismic data feed that's coming
from the United States (U.S.) Geological Survey (USGS). It's interactive; it's
industrial. It reflects a lot of diversity in the artwork that's in Palo Alto. The
up and coming municipal projects. The first thing you'll find is there are nine
projects here. They are located all over Palo Alto. The artwork is actually
quite evenly distributed. I was able to participate in one of the selection
processes for one of the garages. Through that participation, I got a glimpse of how the Staff works. There's a lot of diligence that got into research and
preparation and coordination for finding the potential artists. We
interviewed them; we got to know their work. We had local business input.
We had a lot of different participants in deciding the selection of the artwork.
From the artists, if you look at their artwork, you'll notice there's quite a bit diversity in the material, the style, the methodology, and their influence.
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There's no one look, but the one consistent thing you'll find in their work is
that their work is quite thoughtful. There work product is actually quite fine.
Those are, I think, the standards that govern the theme in their selection.
Chair Migdal: I want to jump back to one item in the event some of you
have questions in talking about the bridge and underpass. University
Avenue, we have spent a lot of time thinking about that, and Staff has spent
a lot of time thinking about it. I personally have done some digging around
on it. It is a very challenging space. We've decided as a Commission to not
invest more time in that. In the event Public Works decides to or something
happens where there's going to be some refurbishment for the underpass,
then I'd say let's take it up again. Doing it on our own based on what we've
done so far—we can discuss this further if you like—it's not something we're
going to be taking on other than just the (crosstalk).
Mayor Scharff: I would like to know why.
Chair Migdal: There are a few reasons. One is electrical. Two is the
condition of the walls. We had a collaboration with—was it the MFA program
at Stanford? We had a proposed—we invested about $30,000, I think, doing
some prototyping. What we got back was something that was really
challenging to build. We've looked at—anything electrical is a mess—
recoating the walls. Re-muraling would be a good idea. In the same
challenge we had with the underpass on California Avenue, you have
seepage. You don't have a surface that you can really deal with. The
spaces are narrow and not well lit. If you had a mural, you're not going to
see it that well. I personally looked into doing something where we could
put in panels that you'd put against the wall, and then you'd cover them
with a decal. There are a bunch of different reasons that are not that
interesting. That's also not a practical solution.
Ben Miyaji, Public Art Commission, Vice Chair: Good evening. I'm talking
about public art. As was mentioned, The Artwork Forge is out on the Plaza.
For $1, you get your own unique piece of art. I urge you to go ahead and do
that. Make sure you have four quarters. The first project that's on the left
part of the scree is the Blue Trees project by Konstantin Dimopolous. That's
coming to the Plaza in May 2018. In the words of the artist, the color and the tree come together to transform and affect each other. The color
changes in the tree into something surreal, something out of this world.
While the tree, rooted in this earth, reflects what we may lose. That'll be
coming in May 2018. The color of the tree is just striking. This blue is just a
striking color. In 2019, the project to be determined is Megan Geckler …
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Chair Migdal: Ben, could you explain the process of the pigment that he
uses. We're not actually using paint on the …
Mr. Miyaji: I think I'm going to have to defer to Staff on that.
Elise DeMarzo, Public Art Program Director: It is a nontoxic pigment that the
artist has utilized at sites all around the world. It has, of course, been
signed off by all the City Staff in Urban Forestry, so it will not harm the trees
in any manner. We're partnering with Canopy on this particular project as
well.
Chair Migdal: One other thing that's very cool similar to the piece that's on
Embarcadero Road—I'm blanking. What's the artist's name from D.C.? It's
all our beautiful twigs.
Ms. DeMarzo: Patrick Dougherty.
Chair Migdal: Patrick Dougherty. A number of us and the people in the
community all collaborated in putting it together. This will be a community collaboration, where people will be involved in pigmenting the branches.
Mayor Scharff: Where's it going to be?
Chair Migdal: It's the stand of trees right in front of City Hall.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Does it wash off?
Mr. Miyaji: Yes.
Council Member Holman: I had a question on that one. I love the image of
it here. My question is—I know you said it's signed off by the Urban
Forestry Department. The material, whatever is being put on here,
breathes?
Ms. DeMarzo: Yes, it does.
Council Member Holman: It breathes? How does—what is it?
Ms. DeMarzo: It's not a paint; it is a pigment that essentially he's had
created specifically for this project. We've had storm water sign off on it.
Essentially, it's a secret sauce that we've gotten to glimpse, but we cannot
distribute.
Council Member Holman: I want to use it at home.
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Chair Migdal: I already asked to do the trees in Crescent Park, and I was
refused.
James Keene, City Manager: I think we could have our own blue man, blue
woman group up there.
Mr. Miyaji: Megan Geckler in 2019 will have a project coming forward. This
is an example of what she does. A million things to make your head spin,
that's in Sydney, Australia. That consists of tape, wood, paint, and
hardware. She does these beautiful, flowing projects. What we're looking
for possibly in front of City Hall is something coming from the top of the
building, flowing down the side of the building into the Plaza. 2019, look
forward to that.
Mayor Scharff: It's in Sydney right now?
Mr. Miyaji: Yes. She has a website. I'm not sure if this project is still up or
not. A lot of her stuff is temporary. Now, we get into the accession, the Public Art Master Plan. We thank you for your support of the Master Plan. It
has a section on deaccession which has been turned into policy. Two pieces
were voted for deaccession last month. There are a number of conditions
that can be applied when an artwork is considered for deaccession.
Remember, disliking a piece is not a condition for deaccession. The first
project is the one on the right of the screen. That's Digital DNA by Adriana
Varella and Nilton Maltz. It's in Lytton Plaza. There are a number of
conditions. One of the one's I'll mention is the artwork requires excessive
maintenance and has faults in the materials and repair is impractical or
infeasible. The next project, the one on the left, is Go Mama by Marta
Thoma. It's on California Avenue. One of the problems with that piece is
the structural condition may pose a threat to public safety in that people
hang off that rear leg that's up in the air. It only has one point of joining
into the stand itself. In the past, this was actually surrounded by shrubs and
stuff, so it had some protection. Now that all that's gone and it's bare really,
people especially during the farmers market will come and sit around that
piece and have something to eat. You'll see kids hanging off that leg. It's a
real safety problem. The other piece—the piece that's in the middle—is
California Native on California Avenue by Sue Steinman. We will be voting on that next month for deaccession. Murals. Murals are a …
Vice Mayor Kniss: May I ask one about …
Mr. Miyaji: Sure.
Vice Mayor Kniss: I have some concern about the running man or whatever
that name is.
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Mr. Miyaji: Go Mama.
Vice Mayor Kniss: I think that's a very popular one. I have a feeling we'll
hear from the public about it.
Mr. Miyaji: Yes.
Chair Migdal: We have extensively …
Vice Mayor Kniss: Just saying, as we say.
Chair Migdal: I would add that there's—it's a really good sign—a really
spirited debate, those that like and those that dislike the pieces. The
decision to deaccession the pieces had nothing to do with—as Ben pointed
out—the subject "I like this" or "I don't like it." It's a public safety concern.
I personally have seen kids hanging on it. The last thing we want is a
lawsuit because a little kid gets hurt, and the thing falls on him, and it
weighs hundreds of pounds.
Vice Mayor Kniss: It makes sense. It may not to the public.
Mayor Scharff: Cory and then Lydia.
Council Member Wolbach: This is definitely one of the areas where I'm glad
we're pausing for a second to talk about this topic because it's gotten a lot of
attention. The press and the public, a lot of us are thinking and talking
about it. In front of the egg, I noticed during the tree lighting ceremony on
Lytton Plaza that the Mayor Master of Ceremonied (MC'd) last Friday there
were people with "save the egg" signs, which I thought was very interesting.
I understand that the cost of upkeep is significant. I understand that the
safety issue is a concern with Go Mama. Personally, I'm not crazy about Go
Mama, but I know a lot of people are. I happen to like the egg, but I think
the point was well made that subjective or personal preference is not the
reason for decommissioning these two items. I was hoping maybe we could
talk about—if anyone, the Staff or Commission Members, could talk to us
about what happens to these pieces. Are there other places they could go?
Is there a property owner who might be interested in taking on the egg or
might there be somebody who's interested in providing some donations in
order to help defray the cost of maintenance. With the safety issue, are
there other locations in the City where Go Mama might—we might be a little
less worried about that liability?
Chair Migdal: The process for deaccessioning started last August, when we
voted to put it on the agenda. That came after the conservatorship report.
My understanding is that we've looked at a couple of different locations in
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the City, and we've had one—I think the artist started a Go Fund Me
campaign. My recollection—I'm sorry? For Digital DNA. It topped at less
than $1,000. The last repair bill was, I think, a multiple of that, $8,000 or
something like that. It's a tricky thing to sort out. I would not recommend
it if given the choice. That's why we voted where we landed, to invest more
in this piece that's going to continue to have issue. Menlo College has
expressed interest. It's now in the artist's court, and she has 120 days—90
days in order to find a new home for the piece. If at which point she doesn't
find a home, then it's our responsibility to pay for moving it and finding it
someplace else to go. No one wants to see art removed or destroyed.
Ideally, we're going to find a home in the next couple of months or she will.
It's not our call, but it's not an expensive thing. A crane is going to cost
again thousands of dollars to move it and set it somewhere else. The same
issues from a maintenance standpoint will be there. It's not the easiest piece to take for an outdoor location. Hopefully Menlo College will step up
and they can take it.
Council Member Wolbach: Any other insights into future homes for Go
Mama?
Ms. DeMarzo: The artist has already expressed that she plans to take it
back. She's researching where Go Mama will go next.
Rhyena Halpern, Community Services Assistant Director: If I could just add
one thing to this. Deaccession is always a touchy subject. We look at public
art as a construction project. Sometimes a building has to get torn down.
It's not whether you like it or not. It's just about the building's life is over.
These projects are very similar. It's not whether we like them or not. It's
that, when you look at all the factors, we have made this recommendation
and the Commission has supported for deaccession. We never just throw a
piece out. We go through a lot of steps to try to take the most care that we
possibly can with what will happen to the art next.
Council Member Wolbach: Thank you. I really appreciate that. That's an
important point for us all to keep in mind. I really do appreciate what Staff
and the Commission are doing, working with the artists and looking for new
homes. Both of these pieces do bring a lot of joy to people. If they can find a new home and each continue to bring delight to audiences, that will be
very nice. Glad they're not just going in the bin. Thank you.
Mr. Miyaji: If I could add onto what Rhy was talking about. A lot of
communities are grappling now with deaccession. When I started in public
art 25 years ago, there was really no thought of what happened to a piece when it tore down, got broken down, if the building got torn down or
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whatever happened to it. Now, like Palo Alto we're grappling with what
happens with these pieces. That's why this policy really needs to be in
effect, so we can treat these pieces fairly. We can offer—we do have public
comment. We have 90 days of public comment and all that so we can fairly
deaccession a piece if it needs to come to that. Part of that is materials that
over the years may just rot away if it's wood or something. Those are
things that we need to think about as we go forward in our public art.
Mayor Scharff: Lydia.
Council Member Kou: My question has been answered. Mainly it was about
where does the art go after deaccession. Council Member Wolbach asked it.
It's interesting. The art is actually—it actually belongs to the designer, the
artist. It's just loaned to the City. Is that what it is?
Ms. DeMarzo: No. These are projects that were commissioned by the artist
for the City. The City owns the artwork. The copyright always remains with the artist. In the case of deaccession, it is best practice to give the artist the
first right to make arrangements for the artwork for 90 days. If there is
some value to the artwork, usually it's sourced through auction records or
something similar. The City would give the artist the first right to purchase
it back. In the example of Digital DNA, for instance, that is the only public
artwork that that artist has. There is no commercial value to it, so we're
offering it back to the artist at her cost of removal.
Council Member Kou: Thank you.
Ms. DeMarzo: You're welcome.
Mayor Scharff: Karen.
Council Member Holman: Elise and I and a member of the public had some
email communication about the deaccession. How do members of the public
find out? Is there something they can sign up for in case there's a
deaccession occasion? How do members of the public find out about
deaccession?
Ms. DeMarzo: Signing up for our e-news would be an excellent way to do
that. We blast it out through social media, through our e-news, every
platform we can find.
Council Member Holman: That's the Art Center e-news?
Ms. DeMarzo: That would be the public art program e-news.
Council Member Holman: Thank you.
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Mayor Scharff: You guys want to continue?
Chair Migdal: We're doing murals now. You want to carry on?
Commissioner Miyaji: We're talking about murals now. You see up here the
Greg Brown piece that, I believe, is on the post office that's just down the
street. The Public Art Commission and Staff and community has a strong
desire for more murals. With that, we need to finalize a mural policy. One
example here in the City is the Greg Brown murals. The one example we
have here is The Fishing Boy. Of these murals, high resolution pictures have
been taken. We've got those stored away. If something happens to these
murals, we can product them in some way. Challenges with murals is
private ownership, desire to animate spaces, and preservation versus
deaccession. That's part of the problem with murals. You'll notice as you
travel around there are a lot of murals that go up in different communities.
The (inaudible) fresco conservation is on the Roth Building. This artist worked with Diego Rivera on many projects, his work is also in the Coit
Tower in San Francisco and the former Palo Alto Medical Foundation building.
It depicts the modern advances in medical practices juxtaposed with more
primitive medical practices in black and white. These important treasures
will need approximately $100,000 to restore them. Staff is exploring grant
opportunities. These are really nice frescoes. Frescoes are a lot different.
The way they're made is that the pigment is actually blended into the
cement as they're made. That's why they last a long time. These really
need to be restored. This is a great piece in Palo Alto.
Council Member Holman: Before you leave those, those are modern medical
practices and techniques as of 1932. If somebody hasn't gone by and
looked, there are more frescoes including behind the fence currently and on
the front of the building as well. It's pretty remarkable.
Council Member Kou: Have pictures been taken of these as well? Your high
resolution pictures.
Ms. DeMarzo: Yes.
Mr. Miyaji: This is a graph of all the projects triggered in public art and
private development in Palo Alto. There's quite a lot of projects going on.
Now, the priorities for the coming year. Complete murals policy and private percent for art amendments. Focus on increasing awareness of the
collection through mobile applications. Increase Staff capacity for project
management and support for municipal projects. As more and more
projects come online, we have two Staff people. We need to get them more
help to manage all these projects that are coming online. Commissioners will act as active ambassadors for the program. Expanding locations and
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scope of temporary art installations and, where possible, incorporate
interactive light and sound. Those are our goals for the coming year,
priorities for the coming year. Questions?
Vice Mayor Kniss: I have a question. Going back to the murals. Some of
the first murals I can remember in Palo Alto were Greg Brown's. They're so
unique. Now, that Greg has died, what is the plan for keeping these fresh?
The paint does peel and so forth. What is the plan for long-term
safekeeping of Greg's work?
Ms. DeMarzo: In the field of public art, murals can be restored. Eventually
through enough restorations, you really lose the artist's hand. That was part
of the idea behind making sure we had high res documentation of these
murals now at this moment in time. We cannot guarantee the future of
those murals. Generally in public art, murals are not considered forever.
They're considered long-term, temporary. Many of them are actually on private property. Again, that's another reason having a murals policy, where
there's an understanding and an agreement on the maintenance and the
longevity of those pieces, could help us navigate that. At some point, those
murals may cease to exist in their current state.
Vice Mayor Kniss: You talked about putting a policy together as it dealt with
murals. I don't know what our policy is now. If somebody wants to put a
mural on the side of their building Downtown, do we have a policy on that?
Ms. DeMarzo: Not currently. With discussions in the last retreat with the
Commission, there is very much a desire to have more murals throughout
the City. This is a challenge that we have in what that looks like, whether
the Commission is reviewing murals on private property. If it's funded by a
private property owner and/or if there is something that is jointly
commissioned, what is the agreement for the maintenance and longevity of
that mural if the building changes hands and someone decides they want to
paint over it? That's exactly the reason why we would like to have a policy
in place so that we can move forward with murals.
Ms. Halpern: We do have a draft policy, and we're working with the
Attorney's Office on that. I do recall, Council Member Kniss, last year when
we did this you talking about the Greg Brown murals and your love of the whimsy of them and what the whimsy gives the community visually to have
that. You suggested that, if these murals end up ending their life in the
physical realm, we do more. That is precisely our plan. We first need to do
the policy so we can move forward. This question does come up quite a bit.
People want to paint the sides of their buildings. There are opportunities to do things all over; it's not just on buildings. We do see this as a growth area
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over the next few years. We also really do like—we'd like to do projection of
past murals by doing these high-quality photographic installations of them,
where we can exhibit them sometime. That will keep them but just in a
different form.
Vice Mayor Kniss: I was reminded—I was in Boston this weekend. If any of
you have driven toward the airport in Boston, there's a famous Corita
painting that's on a gas tank, I think. It's supported now by the City. It's
been there for several years. It has become such a landmark that there was
an outcry when they talked about changing it in some way. Sometimes that
kind of thing becomes a real landmark for a particular area. The city finally
took it over to keep it painted. It's probably an expensive, I'm guessing,
project. Thanks.
Mayor Scharff: Tom.
Council Member DuBois: First of all, thank you all for volunteering your time. It's really appreciated. I hope you guys are doing this; I assume you
are. I would say make sure you look for opportunities throughout Palo Alto,
not just Downtown or Cal. Ave, the Piazza shopping place, Midtown retail
district, Edgewood Plaza, even San Antonio Road. It'd be great to see things
spread out throughout the City. I think it would be interesting when you
guys come back or maybe even before then to get a breakdown on the
percent for art and understand where that money is going, how much is in
the fund. It'd be nice to get a breakdown of what's being spent on long-
term installations versus short-term or residencies or staffing, those kinds of
things, almost a measure of how much overhead there is in this fund. Can
we use some of that percent for art for preservation of existing art like the
murals? We can't. It has to be for new installations?
Ms. Halpern: It's actually illegal to do that.
Council Member DuBois: When it comes to murals, I'd be careful that we
distinguish between art and commercial signage. We have to keep an eye
on that. The last thing, I see your priorities here. You say when possible
incorporate light and sound. I would just caution a little bit on that one. We
get people coming to us talking about light pollution, noise pollution all the
time. Just be sensitive to that. I know the Visa Building won an award, but it's also right next to multifamily housing. I would just think about light and
sound and where it's appropriate. Thank you, guys.
Mayor Scharff: Karen.
Council Member Holman: Thank you. Thank you for all you do. I think
most of you at least know that it's one of my favorite, favorite subjects.
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Because nobody else will probably comment on it, love the logo. Nice job,
very nice job with that. A few things. The benches in front of Keene's
Shoes that were in your slides, huge success. It so happens—I know
retailers can move or change or whatever—that it's so perfect in front of that
store because of what they do inside. It's ideal. Did you say those are
permanent?
Ms. DeMarzo: Yes, they will become permanent.
Council Member Holman: Maybe the Keen shoe operator might like to know
that. The last time I was in there, they weren't clear that it was going to be
permanent. They're great; they're wonderful. I want to reiterate what
Council Member DuBois was saying about the Visa Building. I'd raise
concerns about light impacts from that project. Understand it's award
winning, but the people who are judging it for its creativity are not living
next to it. That's a big, big difference. It goes in spurts sometimes. We get a lot of comments and complaints even about the light pollution from that.
Even on some occasions that it appears it's advertising as opposed to
informational. That's some of the feedback that we get. Considering
context. The owls at Mitchell Park Library has been my favorite, favorite,
favorite pieces. I'd ask that you all also keep in mind, though, the
surroundings there and a very different context. When I go up to those
owls, I don't want to see these lines from the pavement reflecting up on the
owls. It's such beautiful, sleek surfaces that the owls are made of. They're
gorgeous; they're beautiful; they're so cool. Then, you have these lines
form the pavement that are coming through. If it's possible to consider
what the ultimate placement's going to be and what could be reflecting or
impacting those images because they're fabulous. Something that isn't
shown here that is also some of my favorite and a community favorite too is
the lighted and changing light art pieces at the Rinconada Library and the
Art Center. What a homerun those are. They're really, really fantastic.
Chair Migdal: Do you get complaints about light pollution for those? Those,
I think, are pretty subtle, and there's nothing directly around them, but
there are houses across the street on Newell.
Council Member Holman: No because the light is so subtle and because there isn't anything directly adjacent to them. It's pretty subtle. It doesn't
travel offsite like the Visa Building does. No, only complimentary on that. I
have shared interest with Vice Mayor Kniss on this. When the Greg Brown
murals came up before for discussion, we had a brief conversation. I look
forward to actually having a longer conversation about potentially landmarking the Greg Brown murals. More than any murals in this town,
they're so identified with our Downtown since that's where all of them are.
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There won't be any more. His personality comes through so clearly in those
murals. They're cherished in this community. I know there can be some
complexity to doing that, but we did protect and preserve the one on the
post office. We don't know who's going to end up owning that, but that is a
protected mural of Greg Brown. Code: ART, again congratulations, hats off,
terrific. My only disappointment is that it isn't permanent. Understood it
was going to be temporary, but what a great success that was. Thank you, I
really appreciate—I've talked for years about enlivening our alleys, so I look
for a permanent way to be able to do that on some of our alleys. Something
else I've talked about for a long time, that I'm still looking forward to, is
finding a way to incorporate more functional art, especially having to do with
wayfinding. Barron Park with the donkeys, there's a really great opportunity
with the paths and the tracks. There are so many people that don't even
know the donkeys exist back there, that Bol Park exists, and the history of that. I think there's a great way to do some three-dimensional donkeys that
do wayfinding, that functioning as wayfinding elements for that area in
particular. We could brainstorm about other things. You all are good about
doing that on your own. Thank you for what you do. I really appreciate it
and look forward to the next projects and our next meeting together. Thank
you.
Mayor Scharff: Eric.
Council Member Filseth: Thanks very much. I want to chime in on that.
Thank you very much for doing this. Thank you very much for doing what
you do. Our town is better for it. I wanted to ask a follow-on question
about the Greg Brown murals. When we were here last year, do I remember
right that there might be some Greg Brown art in other places in Palo Alto?
Chair Migdal: There's a few. There's one on Forest near Hale. Some are
private residence. Is that what you mean?
Council Member Filseth: Or in other towns.
Chair Migdal: Other towns.
Ms. Halpern: Private residences (inaudible).
Council Member Filseth: Does it ever become available? Listening to the
discussion of Council Member DuBois.
Ms. Halpern: We could find out for you Council Member Filseth and get back
to you.
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Council Member Filseth: If it ever becomes available and we have funds
available for acquisition of art, maybe it's something we'd consider. Thanks.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Kou.
Council Member Kou: I just want to add that the Greg Brown murals are
very, very—are treasures. I agree with Vice Mayor Kniss as well as
Councilwoman Holman that if there's anyway to preserve them further, it'd
be great. It's relatable. There's that lady who's smelling a rose and
watering it on Bryant. I almost went and smelled the flower too because it
was just so real. I hope that there are ways you can find in terms of
preserving it. I just wanted to ask also in terms of the art is there every an
opportunity to involve the youth in it. Have you considered involving the
youth, especially through Project Safety Net or something like that so that
they're included in it and develop their artist side?
Ms. DeMarzo: That's a great question. Through our public art master planning process, the consultants met with various groups in different
avenues to engage youth in artmaking. They determined that that really
isn't a focus of the public art program itself. The public art program is really
looking at this overarching, different quality of artwork and that there were
substantial other opportunities for engaging youth in artwork. That being
said, there are opportunities, if the site seems appropriate, to have an artist-
led engagement to involve youth in the project, but not necessarily youth-
led artwork. If that makes sense.
Council Member Kou: Thank you.
Mr. Miyaji: As part of our public art Master Plan steering committee, we had
two high school students on our committee. They provided really good input
into the Plan.
Council Member Kou: I think that's what I'm also looking for, to involve
them a little bit. I just want to say thank you very much for your work. I
think there's a lot of great art in there. I look forward to more of them.
Thank you.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: Also on the Greg Brown murals, I was wondering.
On our City website, are the images available for each of them? Can people look on our website and see all the images for the Greg Brown murals?
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Ms. DeMarzo: On the public art website all of the murals should be available
there. All of the items in the collection are available on the database,
cityofpaloalto.org/publicart. There's a tab for the collection.
Council Member Wolbach: I missed that. Thank you for pointing that out.
I'll take another look.
Ms. Halpern: The whole, entire collection including the Greg Brown murals.
Portable artworks too.
Council Member Wolbach: That's great. Does that include—here's the
question. Does that include the Greg Brown murals which are on private
property? Something that might be worth pursuing—obviously not giving
direction tonight—might be worth doing unless it's already been done is
having a map of Palo Alto with all the Greg Brown murals that are both—all
of the public art and I'd say even the privately owned Greg Brown murals so
people could do a walking or bike tour. As they're exploring the City, they could check those out. Sometimes people say, "I've lived here for 20
years," or "I've lived here 40 years. I just saw another Greg Brown on the
side of a building. I had never really noticed it before." It's something fun
we might think about.
Mayor Scharff: Vice Mayor Kniss.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Poor Greg. We really are beating him into the ground
tonight. During the centennial, Greg did the hats through the centuries
picture. Many, many copies were made of that. Do you know where the
original is? Have I asked you that before?
Ms. Halpern: Remember, we talked about it. Yes, and we got the answer.
We'll get back to you on that because we did find the answer to that.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Did it exist still, I hope?
Ms. Halpern: I recall it did. We'll get back to you on that, if that's all right.
Vice Mayor Kniss: My recollection is it was hats through each decade. Many
people had a print of it. I did once upon a time, and I cannot remember
where it is anymore. That was lots of fun if we could ever locate—probably
in somebody's living room.
Mayor Scharff: I just wanted to say thank you as well and also say our
Public Art Program has come a really long way since I joined the Council in 2010. It's something that's really satisfying to me, to see how far along it's
come. You guys are really doing a great job. You're getting the mix of
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temporary and permanent right. It's really heartening to see all these
policies and thinking about it. In 2010, we didn't have any of that. I
remember how it was. We didn't even have percent for art for private
projects; it was just public projects. It's huge where you've come. I
actually think it's great. On the Visa Building, I haven't heard any
complaints. I don't recall getting any emails. That doesn't mean we didn't
get any. I usually focus on that stuff. I actually don't think we have any,
but it would be a good thing to look and see if there's any of the public.
Ms. Halpern: We have public email too, and we have not received email
complaints. We do get quite a bit of community input through our public art
Commission email.
Mayor Scharff: I'm watching how much public input I'm getting on the
deaccession of the egg. No one seems to really care about Go Mama. I'm
getting lots of comment on the deaccession. I'm thinking I get nothing like that on the Visa Building. In fact, a lot of people have told me on Cal. Ave.,
because my office is down there, how much they like it and how wonderful it
looks and all of that. I do think it's important to be sensitive to noise issues
especially and light issues at times. On the other hand, that's a real positive
piece for the City. It's something you guys can be proud of.
Council Member Holman: Can I just follow up to that? I can assure—I don't
think Council Member DuBois would have made it up. I certainly have
gotten emails complaining about the Visa Building.
Mayor Scharff: You may have gotten them directly to you. That's why I
asked them to check. I don't recall getting any, and I don't recall seeing any
on the public stuff. Whereas, when it comes to the egg and all of that—two
or three people might be complaining. It's possible. I don't know because I
haven't gotten those emails. I have heard a lot of people on Cal. Ave. talk
about how nice it is and what a great thing it is. That doesn't mean we
shouldn't be sensitive to noise and light. I think we should be. I'm just
saying I'm watching the egg issue and seeing how many emails we're
getting. Frankly, when we had the whole fountain—a lot of you weren't on
the Council—there was huge public input on the fountain. That rose to the
level of we really noticed what was going on. That's really all I'm trying to say. Council Member Tanaka, you had a few words you wanted to say.
Council Member Tanaka: Just briefly. I wanted to thank the Commission for
your work. You guys have been doing a great job, and I really appreciate it.
Ms. Gordon: Mayor Scharff, thank you for announcing all of us. I just
wanted to point out the Staff that's here. I had a Council Member ask me
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who is the Staff behind all this. They're sitting right here. I wanted to
maybe have a shout-out to them as well.
Mayor Scharff: That's great. Our Staff does great work. It's Rhy Halpern,
right? And Elise DeMarzo. Nadya, you want to raise your hand?
Ms. Halpern: We also have another hourly worker named Brittany Amante,
who's also very wonderful. We're very lucky.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you to all and everyone for what you do. We really
do appreciate it. Why don't we take a 3-minute break while everyone gets
the chairs fixed?
Council took a break from 6:06 P.M. to 6:10 P.M.
Agenda Changes, Additions and Deletions
Mayor Scharff: … Item, Item Number 14, consideration of authorizing the
Mayor to sign a letter of support for the Dumbarton rail link. We had already
taken a position on the Dumbarton rail link and sent a letter to Metropolitan
Transportation Commission (MTC) supporting that. On that basis, I'd
already signed the letter, frankly. Unless you want to take that issue up and
have me retract it in some way, there's really no point in going forward on
that item. I'm going to make a Motion that we delete Item Number 14.
James Keene, City Manager: That would be appropriate.
Mayor Scharff: That would take a second.
Council Member Wolbach: Second.
Vice Mayor Kniss: So moved.
MOTION: Mayor Scharff moved, seconded by Council Member Wolbach to
remove Agenda Item Number 14- Consideration of Authorizing the Mayor to
Sign a Letter of Support for the Dumbarton Rail Link … from the Agenda.
Mayor Scharff: If we could just vote on the board.
Council Member Holman: Before we vote, I want to know are we going to
get to see a copy of it.
Mr. Keene: Yes, we will.
Mayor Scharff: I assume so.
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Council Member Holman: It's not loaded on the website or anything.
Mr. Keene: We will do that. We put this on very late, at the very last
minute just in case we couldn't get it. It's just been over the weekend, so
we'll get it to the Council.
Mayor Scharff: If we could vote on the board. That passes unanimously
with Council Member Fine not here, but Council Member Holman voting in
that seat.
MOTION PASSED: 8-0 Fine absent
City Manager Comments
Mayor Scharff: City Manager Comments.
James Keene, City Manager: Thank you, Mr. Mayor and members of
Council. I did want to announce or restate that this Saturday, December 9,
Lucile Packard Children's Hospital is scheduled to open the first phase of
their hospital expansion. They've had a series of open houses and ribbon
cuttings and that sort of thing. They'll be receiving the first new patient at
their new facility beginning this weekend. The project includes a new main
building and adds approximately 521,000 square feet to the adjacent,
existing hospital. Key features include state of the art operating suites,
additional single patient rooms, more spaces for families to be with their
child during treatment and recovery, 3 1/2 acres of outdoor areas and
healing gardens, and flexible floor space to adapt to new technologies and
streamline services. More phases will be open in coming months through
May 2018. The hospital project, as you know, was entitled as part of the
Stanford University Medical Center Development Agreement, and many City
departments and literally dozens of City Staff past and present have worked
on negotiating and implementing the Development Agreement and on review
and inspections of the Lucile Packard Children's Hospital expansion project.
For the Council and the community, I'd like to particularly recognize Staff of
the Planning Department, Fire, Public Works, Utilities, City Attorney's Office,
and Development Services. Kudos to all on this longtime coming, multiyear
project. Just a reminder related to development of Council Priorities 2018.
We are asking our community to weigh in on what priorities they would like
to see the Palo Alto City Council consider for focus in 2018. For members of the public, you can share your thoughts on Open City Hall, where your
feedback is used to help discuss and define what priorities the City Council
will consider for accomplishment next year. A Council Priority, by Council
policy, is generally defined as a topic that will receive particular, unusual,
and significant attention during the year. There is a goal of adopting not more than four to five Priorities each year and generally would have a 3-year
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time limit. Just as a reminder, the 2017 Priorities cover the five areas of
transportation, infrastructure, Healthy City Healthy Community, budget and
finance, and housing. All of our community feedback will be incorporated
into the information the City Council considers at its Retreat in early 2018.
More information is available on the home page of the City's website. Two
events this week from the Library Department. Tomorrow, Tuesday,
December 5, at 12:30 p.m. in the Mitchell Park Library, our community's
invited to attend a ceremony accepting a donation of Korean language
books. The South Korean consular plans to attend the ceremony. The
donation was made possible by the Korean Language and Culture
Foundation and the Campaign Center of the Books Applying for Overseas
Koreans. The donated adult books will be added to the Mitchell Park
Library's Korean collection and the children's books will be added to
collections at Children's and the Mitchell Park Library. Secondly, in the California Listens digital stories premier program will be occurring Saturday,
December 9, at 6:30 p.m. at the Rinconada Library here in Palo Alto. These
stories were recorded back in June during the California Listens workshop,
funded by a California State Library grant. We're looking forward to sharing
them with our community. Many of the storytellers will be on hand to share
their stories and their experience in participating in the workshop.
Ultimately, these digital stories will be added to our Library's collection and
made available through the website. All are invited. That is this coming
Saturday, December 9, at 6:30 p.m. again at Rinconada Library. Lastly,
always a popular event. The Senior New Year's Brunch theme will be
Breakfast at Mitchell's and will be held at the Mitchell Park Community
Center on Friday, December 29, from 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. Tickets are
now on sale at Cubberley, Lucy Stern and Mitchell Park Community Center
as well as at Avenidas Senior Center for $10 each, which includes a full
breakfast buffet, champagne and sparkling cider toast, and live music by the
Tenth Avenue Band. Space is limited so please plan on purchasing your
tickets by December 22. A limited number of tickets will be available for
sale at the door. That's all I have to report.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you.
Oral Communications
Mayor Scharff: Next, Oral Communications. We have a number of
speakers. Our first speaker is Terry Holzemer, to be followed by Sea Reddy.
Terry Holzemer: Thank you, Council Members, for letting me come and
speak tonight. I'd like to talk about an issue that will come in front of you next week. It's part of your Consent Calendar. It's about the addition of 40
additional spaces in the Evergreen Park Residential Parking Permit Program.
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I'd like to see if this could be removed from the Consent Calendar so a
discussion can be made through the Council. I think certain questions need
to be asked by this Council. First of all, why was there not any significant
public outreach or a meeting of the neighborhood, including my
neighborhood, about this change, this addition? I'm not aware of any public
outreach that was done on this particular issue. The second is I'd like to
know why there was no other possible mitigations that were considered in
this process. Why wasn't there any other proposals besides adding
additional commercial spaces? Why was this needed? This is something
that's going to come before you next week. I hope you'll take a close look
at it. Also on tonight's Consent Calendar, really quickly, I'd like to mention
that the Rail Committee Guidelines are a concern to me. One of the things
that, I think, I've learned throughout all the grade crossing meetings is there
seems to be a great desire by a vast majority of Palo Altans for the tunnel and trenching option. I hope that won't be removed as the number one
thrust of this Committee. I think that clearly is one of the things that I've
going through the public outreach meetings. Lastly, really quickly, I would
like to mention I live in the California Avenue neighborhood. I'm very close
to the Visa Building; it's only a block from my house. I'm more disturbed by
the brightness than I am about the scenes that are shown. It is very bright
and disturbing. Sometimes when you're driving past the building, all of a
sudden the light will shift and change, and it'll be a distraction. Your eyes
suddenly look up or move away or look at the building. That could be a
danger for the future. I hope that's looked at because I think there is an
issue there. Thank you.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Thank you. Sea Reddy. If you look up behind me here,
you'll see the order in which people are going to speak. After Sea will be
Jeannine Marston.
Sea Reddy: Good evening, the Mayor and the Vice Mayor and the City
Council and citizens of Palo Alto, 17th and 18th Districts, and all of
California. I would like for us to remember Pearl Harbor on December 7.
Thirty-four hundred innocent people were preempted by a horrible attack
from a nation that we know. We'll reconcile with the families are still hurting. Let's not forget the sacrifices that were made. I was sitting in
India, a very secure region of Indian. I remember the horror. I have visited
Pearl Harbor. Nobody should ever forget the sacrifices the country made,
the nation made for horrible things that happened to Europe and rest of the
world. Second thing, changing the subject, I want to congratulate the City and the Edgewood Shopping Center Plaza for having a beautiful store finally.
It looks gorgeous. Please visit it. I hope something can happen to College
Terrace as well. It's just a beautiful setting. You go in the morning. A great
Starbuck with the right—I'm an ergonomic industrial engineer—beautiful
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ergonomic tables and all that. Much better than anywhere else. It's just a
joy to go in the morning and have coffee there. I also want to tell you, but I
don't want you to laugh at me of things that I'm going to say. It's not about
winning. It's not always about winning. It's always about making ideas
come true, making the statements. I am planning to, with your support,
announce candidacy for the primary for California U.S. Senate under Senator
Diane Feinstein primary next year, June 5. I will need a lot of your support.
I'm not asking for donations. It's self-funded. It'll be a very e-campaign.
I've already given 18,000 tweets so people know my positions. Some of
them are funny; some of them are—but never saying anything negative
about Palo Alto. I love Palo Alto. I love Newport Beach. I love California. I
love Texas. It's going to be an inclusive, integrity-based, innovative
California—I'm looking for north, south working together, not divided. I
hope I can come to you and get your help. I thank David Price, The Daily Post, for allowing me to give a $48 ad that I have put in for the last six,
seven—two or three years. The reason I'm doing it is because Joe Simitian
is going to be the County Supervisor until 2024. I'm not sure I'll live that
long. I need to do something to present my ideas. Thank you all.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you. Jeannine Marston to be followed by Peggy
McKee.
Jeannine Marston: Good evening, Mayor Scharff, Vice Mayor Kniss,
Honorable Council Members. My name is Jeannine Marston. I've been a
Castilleja teacher and a Palo Alto resident for 4 decades. Before I begin my
remarks, I'd like to state that Castilleja's leadership is in talk with neighbors
to possibly suspend comments at every session at City Council. We know
this, but our small group had been preparing to talk since September. With
your permission, we'd just like to go ahead and finish this evening.
Castilleja badly needs to modernize its campus. The classroom where I
teach has remained essentially the same for 40 years. Leaky roofs, difficult
stairs, and substandard ventilation are just a few of the problems the
students and faculty encounter every day. Right now, I'm sitting on the
upper school experience committee. We've identified important ways we
must widen the curriculum and, thus, our numbers to meet the instructional needs of young women in this rapidly changing, technological world. It's
really opportunity, access, and better preparation that propels our request
for a moderate enrollment increase. As an old Palo Alto resident myself, I
empathize with our Castilleja neighbors. Frankly, my husband and I were at
times annoyed during the simultaneous five construction on Waverley Street. Now that they're almost finished, we admire the results. We realize
they've improved our neighborhood, and frankly they've added to our
property values. I am completely convinced that the Castilleja project will
do the same. I've been very dismayed by the tension that our plans have
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engendered, but I'm not the least bit disheartened. I understand the
passion of all of us who live here to get it right. I'm sure many of you as I
remember the 4 long years that one newspaper called the war of the roses,
the intense debate over whether to approve our now-treasured Gamble
Garden Center. In conclusion, we at Casti have never seen anything quite
like the sustained schoolwide effort to be a good neighbor and reduce traffic.
It reminds me, by the way, of how we don't leave our taps running anymore.
This pattern is now part of the school's DNA and is codified in our proposal.
What I'm asking personally is to trust us in turn to get our plan right for Palo
Alto. Thank you very much.
Mayor Scharff: Peggy McKee to be followed by Dave Story.
Peggy McKee: Good evening, Mayor Scharff, Vice Mayor Kniss, and
Honorable Council Members. My name is Peggy McKee. I live at 2025
Cowper and have been a Palo Alto resident for 52 years. For 45 of them, I taught history at Castilleja. No one knows Castilleja's history and its mission
better than I do. First, I second Jeannine's comments about Castilleja's
need to modernize its plant. I support the CUP's expansion. I appreciate
that the neighbors do not not support either Castilleja or women's education.
Perhaps some of them think as I do that Castilleja is one of the crown jewels
of Palo Alto. For more than a century, Castilleja has offered state of the art,
ahead of the curve, cutting-edge education for girls and young women.
Encouraged by David Starr Jordan, our founder Mary Ishbel Lockey was
committed to academic excellence, which commitment continues in the
Kauffman era. I offer two arguments in favor of expansion. A larger school
offers more girls and young women the opportunity to do their college
preparation at a world-class institution. Given its mission to support
diversity and inclusion, a larger Castilleja could and would enroll more
students from traditionally underserved communities. A larger facility
makes it possible for Castilleja to sustain a broad menu of curricular choices
in foreign language, the humanities, and STEM. A smaller school requires
limiting options, perhaps choosing between offering an elective in Russian
history or AP computer programming. I conclude by referring to Castilleja
as the crown jewel. Our City and community benefit from the myriad ways that Castilleja alumnae give back. They are making their mark in the Silicon
Valley as engineers and venture capitalists. Seven Casti girls are doctors at
PAMF. I know a particular Castilleja alum who participates in these meetings
and in the discussions on commercial real estate development in this area.
Thank you for attention. Yea for Castilleja.
Mayor Scharff: Dave Story to be followed by Chuck Jagoda.
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Dave Story: Good evening, Council Members. I'm coming to speak to you
tonight about women's education and Castilleja and ask you to increase
enrollment by increasing their usage permit. First, I'm not a Palo Alto
resident at this time. Why am I here? Why did I stand here? Why did I
write a speech? Why am I missing dinner? Why is my stomach grumbling?
I'm actually coming to you as an employer in Palo Alto. While I lived in Palo
Alto from 1987 to 1990, I most recently served as Vice President of
Engineering for Tableau Software, a public company, that was founded here
at Stanford and was initially based in Menlo Park. I was instrumental, as the
anchor for the Palo Alto office or as the anchor for the Bay Area office, in
moving our offices from Menlo Park to Palo Alto because I'm a huge fan of
Palo Alto. In fact, I met my wife here in 1987, while we were both working
at Hewlett-Packard at 1501 Page Mill Road. I was instrumental in selecting
our new office location, which is a brand new building on California Avenue next to the former Keeble and Shuchat, on the site of the Edge nightclub,
where I often went to shows when I was living here in earlier days, not so
much anymore now that I have three kids. I'm passionate about Palo Alto.
I shop and drive through Palo Alto. I'm an employer in Palo Alto, and I've
grown tired of seeing yard signs, which I see as opposing women's
education, which brings me to why I'm here, to argue for an increase in
attendance at Castilleja. Not because my wife teaches there and has for the
last 15 years, but because as an employer I could not find enough women
qualified for the high-tech jobs that we've created at Tableau Software. I've
participated in the Castilleja community for the past 15 years. I've coached
and mentored students. I've presented and interacted with classes. I've
judged projects. I've reviewed papers that were published in top tier
journals. I've watched these girls progress over their time at Castilleja. I
have learned at Castilleja that there's a special quality to a women's only
education, one that co-ed schools don't provide. I have three boys
unfortunately for me having a wife at Castilleja. When I compare my boys'
co-ed school experience to Castilleja, I see that at Castilleja the women get
more leadership opportunities. Women fill all the roles on a STEM project,
not just designers and implementers but also the leaders on those projects. These are exactly the kind of opportunities, learning and leading, that
women need. The women with this experience are painfully scarce in
technology. These are the women who should fill the jobs at Tableau
Software and at the many other tech companies in Palo Alto. As City Council
Members, I believe you have a responsibility to think beyond yard-sign slogans and a year of inconvenience of construction to the future of Palo
Alto, including the future of your tax-paying businesses. Especially now as
equal treatment of women is a national subject, I believe you have a
responsibility to increase the opportunities for women to get leadership
opportunities in school. I believe you have an under-appreciated asset for
women's education here in Palo Alto. I urge you to increase enrollment and
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provide more opportunities for women and for their employers to hire
women. Thank you very much.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you. Chuck Jagoda to be followed by Ester Nigenda.
Chuck Jagoda: Good evening, Mayor and City Council. I am glad for this
opportunity to speak with you. I'm a member of the Women's International
League for Peace and Freedom's Housing Committee. We've so far met with
Greg Tanaka and Tom DuBois. We're trying to meet with Liz Kniss and Cory
Wolbach. Hopefully we'll eventually meet with all of you. We're concerned
about the lack of housing. It wasn't encouraging a few weeks when all of
the landlords spoke about how destructive rent control would be. You heard
them and repeated what they said very well, but you missed one of the
things a number them also said, which is you guys have the power to grant
or not grant development applications. You need to stop granting the big,
expensive developments and pass applications for low-cost housing. I'd like to remind you of a couple things. The French Revolution. I know you're
thinking, "What the? That wouldn't happen." We didn't think Trump would
be President either. The French Revolution, I hope and pray it doesn't
happen again, but we're flirting with it. We didn't worry enough about
Trump obviously. I don't think we worry enough about another French
Revolution. I'd like to cite Palo Alto's ongoing war against the homeless.
Some of the highlights of which are the parkification [sic] of San Francisquito
Creek, the site/lie ordinance, the law against sleeping in parks, the years of
avoiding putting bathrooms in parks, the usurpation of the commons at
Cubberley which was a common resource of all people but then it became a
resource for not homeless people, only white neighbors who live nearby; the
attempts at banning people living in vehicles in 2011 and 2013; the
resistance to building low-cost housing. If there hadn't been a City Council
resistance to it, it would have happened, but it hasn't happened for 40
years. We're quite short on affordable housing. It's a crisis. We all admit
that, but you guys are in a position of being able to do something about it. I
hope you do. Thank you.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you. Ester Nigenda to be followed by Rita Vrhel.
Ester Nigenda: Ester Nigenda for Save Palo Alto's Groundwater. Good evening, Council Members and members of the public. On October 23, the
City received from Todd Groundwater the preliminary results for its
groundwater budget, which we have handed copies to the City Council. It
can be found in the City's website. The sustainable yield estimate for Palo
Alto is 2,500 acre feet of groundwater per year. It is also only 20 percent of Palo Alto's annual projected 2020 water use. Dewatering regulations are on
City Council's Consent Calendar for next Monday, December 11. We believe
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the amount of groundwater sustainably available should be considered when
permitting dewatering for underground construction. It is not mentioned at
all in the proposed ordinance. Based on 2017 dewatering results, in the
worst case scenario without clear regulations and metrics we estimate that
the proposed construction of the Marriott at San Antonio Road would
possibly pump 2,909 acre feet. This is more than our groundwater budget
for any given year. Other major projects that will likely require dewatering,
such as our Public Safety Building, are also in the pipeline. Without careful
accounting, we can easily overdraft our groundwater budget. The proposed
ordinance does not address the groundwater budget, does not specifically
address commercial dewatering, and moreover says that projects will be
evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Special consideration might be useful for
unusual projects, but it serves builders, residents, Staff, and any other
interested parties best if we have clear guidelines with clear metrics that apply to everyone. Case-by-case basis for all or most projects should not be
the default position. Thank you very much.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you. Rita Vrhel.
Rita Vrhel: Good evening. Ester said it very lovely, a lot of what I was
going to say. I did hand out to you the Palo Alto groundwater pumping for
2017. What you can on here is that there's a huge variation in the
technique of the cutoff wall or the non-cutoff wall, but more just the amount
of groundwater that was pumping. I'm particularly concerned about Item
Number 5 which is the commercial building over on Park Avenue. If you
look at the start date and the finish date, they went the entire distance. In
fact, there was concern as to why were they pumping so long. When we
contacted Public Works, we were actually told that they forgot to waterproof
the basement. Even though they were on the first floor and they were
building that, they actually forgot. They went back and waterproofed it, and
then they could stop pumping exactly on the due date of October 31. One of
the things that is missing from the 2018 recommended ordinance is best
practices for construction. They are not described. They are not in the
ordinance at all. We feel, based on this one example, that that is actually
crucial. On November 30, Public Works had a meeting open to the public, construction individuals. Ester and I attended that. Sterling Banks, the man
who does all of the inserting of the wells for dewatering, had an interesting
idea of requiring four bore holes instead of one bore hole. He said this
would give him more information on each site's topography and soil
composition. He probably would be able to put in wells that were less deep than the standard 32 feet and, therefore, pump out less water. Phil took
notes, and hopefully these will be put into the recommendations that come
before you on December 11. If they are not, I would urge you to pull this
item off the Consent Calendar and allow Public Works to insert the concerns
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made by the construction professionals and also to require use of cutoff
walls for large commercial buildings and residential basements over 4,000
square feet. There is nothing—may I just finish? There's nothing in this
about railroads, trenching, or the massive amount of dewatering that will
occur if that option is pursued. Thank you.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you.
Minutes Approval
2. Approval of Action Minutes for the November 13, 2017 Council
Meeting.
Mayor Scharff: I need a Motion to approve the Minutes.
Vice Mayor Kniss: So moved.
Mayor Scharff: That's seconded by Council Member Filseth.
MOTION: Vice Mayor Kniss moved, seconded by Council Member Filseth to
approve the Action Minutes for the November 13, 2017 Council Meeting.
Mayor Scharff: If we could vote on the board. That passes unanimously.
MOTION PASSED: 8-0 Fine absent
Consent Calendar
Mayor Scharff: Now, we're on to the Consent Calendar. If I could have a
Motion on the Consent Calendar. I'm going to let Jason Matloff speak first
on the Consent Calendar then. Come on up, Mr. Matloff. You'll have 3
minutes.
Jason Matloff, speaking regarding Agenda Item Number 9: Thank you very
much. I'm a member of the north Old Palo Alto community. I wanted to
just comment briefly about the consent for the Rail Committee Guiding
Principles that will be amended and submitted for Consent. First of all, I
wanted to thank you for the revision. I agree with the revision to include all
options or, I guess, to not exclude above-ground options. It's great to
consider everything, get all the data on the table including the viaduct and
berm options. I would say contrary to a prior comment—by the way, I've
attended two community meetings where I saw Councilwoman Holman last
week. At one of them, there is strong interest in above-ground options.
There's dozens and dozens of people showing up for these meetings and lots
of interest in above-ground. The reason I came here tonight was to ask you to consider adding special consideration or even exclusion of things that will
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destroy neighborhoods, specifically road underpass options that will through
eminent domain, destroy neighborhoods. In the City's own reports, there
are literally 100 homes at risk in certain of the proposals, specifically the
road underpass, which will result in something like an Oregon Expressway or
Embarcadero Road underpass at the four different intersections. I live at the
Churchill intersection. These would destroy our neighborhoods. At a time
when you, our City Council, and the citizens of Palo Alto are trying to foster
growth in housing, destroying 100 homes is just not acceptable. I would ask
that, while I approve and like all the other elements of the amended
principles, you put in a new number to the amendment that includes
consideration if not exclusion of anything that takes eminent domain of
homes. For all the various reasons, you know taking homes will impact our
community. Thank you very much.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you. Rita Vrhel.
Rita Vrhel, speaking regarding several multiple Agenda Items: I'm doing the
Consent Calendar.
Mayor Scharff: Which item?
Ms. Vrhel: I guess 6.
Mayor Scharff: You can speak to all of them if you want.
Ms. Vrhel: I'm curious as to why Item Number 6 is on the Consent
Calendar. This is something that could go up to $800,000. We have
Number 5 which is $800,000—Number 5 is $311,000. Number 3 is
$136,000. I get over $1,246,000 that's being discussed on the Consent
Calendar. I was under the impression that we had a budget. I'm also under
the impression that we have a huge problem with not having enough money
to fund our pension plans. I'm just curious as to why this amount of money
is being discussed on the Consent Calendar. That's all. Thank you.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you. Council Member Tanaka.
Council Member Tanaka: I'd like to register a no vote on Number 3.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: I'd like to pull Item Number 9.
Mayor Scharff: Do I have any seconds to that? Going once. Going twice.
The Chair of the Committee is pulling it?
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MOTION: Council Member Holman moved, seconded by Council Member
Kou, third by Council Member DuBois to pull Agenda Item Number 9 -
Adoption of an Addendum to the Rail Committee Charter to be heard on a
date uncertain.
Council Member DuBois: Yes, based on comments I've heard from the
public since our meeting.
Mayor Scharff: That item is pulled. Yes, Council Member DuBois pulled it.
That item—what would you like to do? Would you like to hear it tonight or
would like to …
Mr. Keene: No, tonight's agenda is too busy for it. Next week is completely
full too. The first meeting would be January 22 of the Council.
Mayor Scharff: We'll do it to a date uncertain. Mr. City Manager, to a date
uncertain?
Mr. Keene: Yes.
Mayor Scharff: Anything else on the Consent Calendar? Council Member
Holman.
Council Member Holman: My understanding is we can ask a single question
to City Manager. I'd ask a question about why …
Mayor Scharff: I don't think there's any such rule, a single question rule.
There's no such rule.
Council Member Holman: It's just not have discussion, but we can ask a
question for clarification.
Mayor Scharff: I'm not aware of this rule, Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: We've done it in the past.
Mayor Scharff: Can you point to somewhere in the rules we have it?
Mr. Keene: It's not familiar, but …
Mayor Scharff: Let's go on. That brings us to a vote on the Consent
Calendar except Item Number 9, which has been pulled. We need a Motion.
I'll move the Consent Calendar.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Second.
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MOTION: Mayor Scharff moved, seconded by Vice Mayor Kniss to approve
Agenda Item Numbers 3-8, 10.
3. Resolution 9725 Entitled, “Resolution of the Council of the City of Palo
Alto Approving the Verified Emission Reduction Agreement (VER
Agreement) With the Integrative Organization of Oaxaca Indigenous
and Agricultural Communities to Purchase 17,000 Tons of CO2e for a
Total Purchase Price of $136,000.”
4. Approval of an Agreement With Peninsula Corridor Joint Powers Board
in the Amount of $83,838 for 2018 Caltrain Go Pass Program.
5. Finance Committee Recommendation That the City Council Approve a
Second Allocation of FY2018/19 Human Services Resource Allocation
Process (HSRAP) Funding in the Amount of $311,118.
6. Approval of the Purchase of Mobile and Portable Radios for the Police,
Fire, Public Works, Utilities, and Community Services Departments in an Amount Not-to-Exceed $800,000.
7. Resolution 9726 Entitled, “Resolution of the council of the City of Palo
Alto Amending and Restating the Administrative Penalty Schedule and
Civil Penalty Schedules for Certain Violations of the Palo Alto Municipal
Code and the California Vehicle Code.”
8. Adoption of an Ordinance Amending Section 2.040.160 (City Council
Minutes) of the Palo Alto Municipal Code to Provide for Action Minutes
and Video/Audio Recordings as the Official Record of Council Business,
and Directing the Clerk to Prepare Sense Summaries of Council and
Council Standing Committee Meetings for the use and Convenience of
Council and the Public.
9. Adoption of an Addendum to the Rail Committee Charter.
10. Policy and Services Recommendation to Accept the Accuracy of Water
Meter Billing Audit.
Mayor Scharff: All in favor. Council Member Tanaka registered a no vote on
Item Number 3. That was correct? If you'd like, you have 3 minutes to talk
if you wish to.
MOTION FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 PASSED: 7-1 Tanaka no, Fine
absent
MOTION FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBERS 4-8, 10 PASSED: 8-0 Fine
absent
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Council Member Tanaka: The idea of a carbon offset is a good idea because
it's trying to make sure that we don't emit more greenhouse gas. I think
that's generally a good concept. There are better ways of doing it than
shipping it down to Mexico. We all know about the terrible forest fires we've
had in Sonoma and Napa, our neighbors to the north. These are Californians
who have lost their houses. A ton of trees have been burned; that will take
a long time, and it'll be pretty expensive to restore. At the same time, our
City's projected to run a yearly budget deficit. For those that are more
interested, you're welcome to attend tomorrow's Finance meeting. It's not
very appropriate for us to be shipping our dollars down to Mexico while at
the same time our neighbors in the north, Californians, are really suffering
up there. These kind of dollars could stay here in California, could help our
fellow Californians to restore the forest that has been terribly burned. That's
why I think this is not appropriate for us to be approving and for us to be shipping dollars out of California instead of helping our neighbors.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you.
Action Items
11. PUBLIC HEARING / QUASI-JUDICIAL, 1451 Middlefield Road [17PLN-
00147]: Council Approval of: (1) Resolution 9727 Entitled, “Resolution
of the Council of the City of Palo Alto Adopting the Mitigated Negative
Declaration (MND), Mitigation Monitoring and Reporting Program
(MMRP), and Rinconada Long Range Plan”; (2) a Record of Land Use
Action (RLUA) for the Junior Museum and Zoo (JMZ) Architectural
Review Application; (3) a Park Improvement Ordinance for
Improvements to the JMZ Within the Rinconada Park Long Range Plan
Area; (4) Amend the Fiscal Year 2018 Budget Appropriation Ordinance
for the Capital Improvement Fund by Increasing Other Revenue by
$270,124 and Increasing the JMZ Renovation Project (AC-18001) by
$270,124; and add a Part-time Unbenefited 0.48 FTE Position Limit
Dated Through September 30, 2020.
Mayor Scharff: Now, that brings up to our first action item, Item Number
11. Do we have a Staff presentation?
Rob de Geus, Deputy City Manager: Good evening, Council Members. Rob de Geus, Deputy City Manager. It's a real pleasure to be here to help
present this exciting project to you this evening. It's been a labor of love for
many people, some of which you'll see this evening, in particular a labor of
love from our friends groups. The Friends of the Junior Museum and Zoo are
a mighty friends group that we appreciate greatly. Also the Staff at the Junior Museum and Zoo that work there every day just do an outstanding
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job. It's been many years, as we said, and we're finally here and ready to
make it happen. I'm joined here with Kristen O'Kane—she's the Interim
Director of Community Services—and also Assistant Director of Community
Services Rhy Halpern, who oversees the Arts and Sciences Division. The
agenda for today, we gave you a big packet and a lot to read. We do want
to take a little bit of time with the presentation, do a brief background of the
project, a summary of Council actions. We'll introduce the President of the
Friends of the Junior Museum and Zoo, and then they'll go over the design of
the new facility, also walk through the Rinconada Park Long Range Plan and
the CEQA review of both projects. We'll talk about the project's next steps
and then, of course, be back to Council for questions and action. Just by
way of background, we have with the Friends of the Junior Museum and Zoo
wanted to rebuild the Junior Museum and Zoo for well over a decade. In
2013, the Friends recommitted their fundraising to make this happen. In 2014, we approved the Letter of Intent for construction of the new Junior
Museum and a plan to transition operations of the new Junior Museum to the
Friends' nonprofit. In 2015, Council approved a change in the Letter of
Intent to postpone discussions of the transition of operating the Junior
Museum and Zoo with the Friends and have that discussion after the new
facility is built. In 2016, Council reviewed the downsizing of the new Junior
Museum and Zoo design to a one-story building to keep within the $25
million capital campaign goal. In early 2017, the Friends reached their $25
million fundraising goal. In the remainder of 2017, we completed the design
and went through the various Boards and Commissions for review. That
brings us to Council this evening. We have four actions that we hope will
get approved this evening. The first is a resolution adopting the MND for the
Long Range Plan and the Junior Museum project. The second is a Record of
Land Use Action from the Architectural Review. A third is a Park
Improvement Ordinance. The last is an amendment to the budget offset by
grant revenues of $270,000. With that, I will pass it onto Rhy Halpern.
Rhyena Halpern, Community Services Assistant Director: Again, we wanted
to state again that in February of this year, the Friends of the Junior Museum
and Zoo reached their goal of raising $25 million. This was a long time in coming. It was about 6 years of concerted effort. On the part of the Board
President, Aletha Coleman, it's really been her vision and her mission to do
this for well over 15 years. With that, we wanted to extend our
acknowledgement and appreciation to Friends and ask Aletha to say a few
words.
Aletha Coleman, Friends of the Palo Alto JMZ President: Mayor Scharff and
Vice Mayor Kniss, I'm not really good at this. I'm thrilled to be here. It's
been a very long time. I've been Board Chair for about 12 years now.
When I started, we wanted to rebuild the Zoo, and we thought it might cost
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$7-$10 million. We had some plans drawn up, and then things—it was just
really hard. We had so much to do. We've gone from a $150,000 bat cave
remodel to a $500,000 bobcat cage 5 or 6 years ago. Then, we made the
commitment, this wonderful Board that I've worked with for years, to try
and raise $25 million. I am so proud to ask you to recognize my Board. If
my Board and the supporters would please stand, I'd like to recognize you
now. We've got Steve Emslie here. We've got Lauren Angelo, Kelly Bavor,
Mark Murray, Andrea Helft, Marshall Koch who led our capital campaign.
There's Tim Stitt from Vance Brown who's been working with us for the last
5 years on the building project itself. There's Jane Rytina who's headed our
PR campaign. I think Steve Reller is supposed to be here. That's more than
half of my Board. I just said come out tonight, and they're here. They are
the mainstays of a community that I love very much. What I wanted to say
was we've had a long-term dream to rebuild. We've built the Board with people with negotiation skills, finance skills. It's been wonderful because
we've been working with the City, and we're thrilled to be in a partnership
with the City to give this $25 million historic gift to rebuild the Junior
Museum and Zoo. We feel that we're going to be helping thousands of
children in the community with more science education and a new, fantastic,
wonderful building. With that, I'm just going to introduce Sarah Vaccaro,
who is with CAW Architects. She will give the details of what we're hoping to
be able to give to you.
Sarah Vaccaro, CAW Architects: Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council
Members. Thank you very much for having us tonight. Again, my name is
Sarah Vaccaro. I work with CAW Architects. We've been partnering with the
Friends and the City on this project for the last 6 years and are very excited
to be here tonight to present to you our proposed design. As some of you
may recall, we were here about a year ago to present an introduction to our
project. We brought Sequoyah, the JMZ's bald eagle, along with John Aiken,
the Executive Director, to speak in support on our behalf. Over the last
year, we've worked tirelessly to develop the design. We're really excited to
show you where we've progressed to tonight. Just a recap the existing site
constraints and conditions. This is one large, City-owned parcel. This redline just denotes the property line, so this is just a portion of the site.
It's zoned public facility and houses the Lucie Stern Community Center, the
Children's Library, a shared parking lot, the Lou Henry Hoover Girl Scout
House, the existing JMZ, Rinconada Park all the way over to the Rinconada
Pool and Embarcadero on the far side. This is Walter Hays Elementary School; it abuts our site. The JMZ's tucked into this corner here. Some of
our neighbors on the site. The Lucie Stern Community Center is a national
Category 1 historic resource known of its Spanish Colonial Revival building
style and integrated landscape. The Lou Henry Hoover Girl Scout Building is
of historical significance as well and eligible for the California Register. The
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top image is the existing conditions of the park entrance from the parking
lot. As you can see, there's a lack of clear wayfinding and safe pathways
through. The lower image is the existing Zoo fence facing the parkland.
Both of these are looking to significantly in the proposed design. This is the
existing JMZ. It's a mostly one-story building with a small two-story popup.
The lower image is the existing street frontage along Middlefield. Some of
the existing constraints on the site that we're working around with our
proposed design. There's an existing utility corridor that runs underneath
the JMZ Zoo currently. The Rinconada Park boundary is this green line with
green hatch. The existing JMZ Zoo sits in parkland; the existing JMZ
building does not. We are working to—our new building will meet the proper
setbacks of the site. We're also working to preserve and feature a number
of specimen trees around the site. Our starting point was many years ago
collaborating with the Rinconada Park Long Range Master Plan team. The Plan calls for a reconfigured shared parking lot in the same location as the
existing parking lot; an expanded JMZ footprint similar to our current
footprint today, our proposed footprint; and then a new entrance to the west
end of Rinconada Park including a park arrival plaza and relocated play
structure area. In further collaboration with the City's Landscape Architect,
Transportation Engineers, we worked to clarify the site circulation for
pedestrians, bicyclists, and vehicles. In this diagram, we're showcasing a
public promenade that connects from Middlefield to the JMZ entrance to the
park arrival. We're also looking to create a dedicated pedestrian entrance
only at the intersection of Middlefield and Kellogg that will bring bikes and
pedestrians into the site safely through the parking lot and then connect to
bike paths throughout Rinconada Park. Lastly, we're reorienting and
reconfiguring the parking lot to create a simple, clear, safe loop for vehicles.
We're proposing one single driveway along Middlefield, a clear loop for
vehicles through the parking loop, and then one ingress and one egress
driveway along Hopkins. These diagrams have all collaboratively shaped our
proposed site plan as you see here today. Our new building will wrap
around the existing dawn redwood tree to create a U-shaped courtyard
building reminiscent of the courtyards within the Lucie Stern complex. The JMZ promenade will, again, start on Middlefield, tunnel through our building,
link to a gracious JMZ entrance plaza, and then connect to the park arrival
plaza beyond. The new JMZ Zoo will sit generally where the existing Zoo
footprint is within parkland. We are adding an outdoor animal management
area to better support and care for the animals at the JMZ. We're also proposing an outdoor classroom area underneath the existing pecan tree.
The concept for the JMZ promenade is to draw visitors and public into the
JMZ mission, which is to engage a child's curiosity for science and nature
before they even enter the building. The promenade is open to the public,
and it will allow visitors and public alike to interact with child-scaled science
and nature exhibits. Things like bridging over a bioswale, tunneling through
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a rainbow light tunnel interacting with wind and child-activated pendulums,
opportunities to hop and jump like an animal along side views into the Zoo.
The massing concept for the building is pretty simple. We're wrapping
around the dawn redwood tree, breaking the building with the tunnel,
extending the building to create entry porticos, all to shape the framework
and the stage for the JMZ promenade experiences. We're proposing a
gabled roof form building in keeping with the historical and residential
context of the neighborhood. Over the last year we've worked to respond to
and listen to ARB, HRB, and community input to refine and develop the
design of the building and to better reflect the Palo Alto aesthetic. In an
earlier design such as this rendering, we were proposing a metal roof that
wrapped down as the skin of the building in portions and also featuring more
of the building structure. Some of these aesthetics raised concerns among
Board Members that this was just too industrial of a look for the Palo Alto looks, so we've worked to respond to that. With the HRB, we studied a
number of color and finish options. This is one of them, not where we
landed but a previous version. We were looking to respond to some of the
concerns about durability and maintenance of materials. The ARB also
proposed a number of concerns about the wing along Middlefield being
pretty long and requesting for us to modulate that and further break it up to
better reflect the residential neighborhood. All of these comments and
design iterations have led us to the design we're presenting to you today,
represented in this aerial here. We're proposing a taller mass in the middle
of the site to create the entrance to the JMZ as well as the larger exhibit
gallery. The roof of this building extends over the entrance plaza to create a
covered entrance portico. The exterior wall materials we're proposing are
mostly cement plaster siding along with accents of wood siding in places. As
I mentioned before, the building wraps around existing trees to create these
nice courtyard spaces. We're also playing with a playful pattern of windows
on the facades. Along Middlefield, we're lowering the building mass to a
lower height. We've looked to pop-up clerestory windows to let natural light
into classroom and office spaces. We're integrating wood screens for sun-
shading and then creating a featured entrance portal through the tunnel to the other side of the building. All of these things are a way of further
modulating this facade. We're also relocating the signature JMZ sign to be a
prominent location along Middlefield. Once the visitor or public steps off the
Middlefield sidewalk, they'd step onto a bridge that would overlook a planted
bioswale or storm water treatment area, and then visitors would proceed into the tunnel experience. It'll be filled with rainbows and lights and colors,
different exhibits. The tunnel would have a larger portal entrance along
Middlefield that would taper down to a smaller, child-scale portal on the
dawn redwood side. Our goal here is to allow all visitors to enter with a
childlike mindset into the project. At the dawn redwood courtyard side,
children will be able to jump off the pathway onto boulders set in the storm
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water treatment area to play and act like animals. Beyond that, you can see
the building wrapping around the existing dawn redwood tree. The goal is to
feature this tree as a part of the JMZ experience. This is a section through
that space. Visitors, Staff, educators will be able to walk around the Jurassic
era dawn redwood tree and experience it along with contemporary planting,
fossils, rocks that explain the story of the Jurassic and Cretaceous eras.
We're also looking to add a full-scale dinosaur sculpture. We're proposing
the California State dinosaur, which I cannot pronounce. This would be a
life-scale sculpture for children to climb on and interact with. The entrance
to the JMZ is further down the pathway. This is the dawn redwood
courtyard, which we were just speaking about. On the far side of the
entrance is a play area underneath the existing pecan tree with views into
the zoo. The JMZ entrance plaza is partially covered by the roof extending
off the building, creating a covered entry portico that will visitors to purchase their tickets in this area and gather in groups before entering into
the JMZ. They'll also have views into the exhibit gallery beyond through a
large glass window. Featured within the entry portico will be the public art
installation. The Public Art Commission has selected Charles Sower as the
art for this project. He has amazing experience with science and nature-
based installations. His initial concept for this project is really exciting. He's
looking at integrating full-scale pendulums that children can interact with at
the entry plaza level. They will pop up through a skylight in the roof and
interact with wind at the roof level. It'll be a very dynamic feature. Moving
into the building, we'll walk through the JMZ visitor experience. Starting in
the entrance plaza, visitors will enter through a small lobby into the exhibit
gallery space. From here, they'll be able to exit into the exterior Loose in
the Zoo. In the other direction, they'll be able to exit into the exterior dawn
redwood courtyard. On the far side of the courtyard are the education
spaces. Along the back spine, along Walter Hays, are some of the back-of-
house support spaces. Our floor plan pretty much follows that diagram to a
"T." To walk you through it in a little bit more detail, this is the lobby and
the exhibit gallery. This is a higher-volume space that then wraps around,
connecting to a multiuse room that could be used as a classroom or event space. The other is a second classroom on the far side of the courtyard,
along with the collections hub which will house the precious collections as
well as the teaching collections that they take out to their science outreach
programs. The Staff office is here, and then along this back spine we have
our program animal rooms that house the teaching animals that go out to the various science outreach programs. There's a shop to support the
exhibit gallery, public restrooms, and then additional program animal
support spaces. These are two sections cutting through the exhibit gallery.
You can see out here the covered entry portal, the pendulums representing
the art installation. This is the lobby space, and this is the large exhibit
gallery space. Our goal is to maximize flexibility along with height,
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structure, and materials to allow for many different changing exhibits and
durability through the years that building will be in use. There will be clear
wayfinding out to the dawn redwood courtyard here, to the multi-use, and in
the other direction out to the Zoo. We're also proposing large skylights to
let a lot of natural daylight into the space. From the exhibit gallery, visitors
will circulate into the Loose in the Zoo experience. This will be a fully netted
enclosure with birds and small animals free to fly and roam around along
with the kiddos. Within the netted aviary, there will be a number of smaller
animal enclosures for animals that cannot be loose. Just walking around the
loop, we'll have a tortoise hill, a rabbit meadow, a turtle and fish pond.
We're relocating and rebuilding the raccoon exhibit. There will be a new
waterfowl pond. The existing bobcat, which was rebuilt a number of years
ago, will be maintained and preserved. We'll have a new meerkat exhibit.
At the center of the zoo experience is a large tree structure. This will have a crawl-through root zone for children to interact with animals that can be
found within roots and underground. The branches will extend up to support
a future phase tree fort at the up level. This will be a very lush planted
aviary experience within the Zoo. These are some smaller-scale renderings
of different interactive exhibits for animals and children alike. From the park
side, the netted Zoo and trees within will blend nicely with the exhibit tree
canopy within the park, almost start to disappear. At the lower edge,
there'll be a Zoo wall that ranges from 8-10 feet. This will be composed of
horizontal wood-board fencing as well as cement plaster wall over CMU
block. Along this wall, we'll have places for interactive exhibits and displays
and potentially views into the Zoo. The City is in the process of
redeveloping a plan for the west end of Rinconada Park, and that's what
you're seeing in the foreground here. They're proposing to relocate the play
structure and rebuild, some new paths, and new picnic grounds. Just as a
quick reference point, the existing JMZ Zoo footprint in the parkland is about
8,800 square feet. Our proposed footprint is about 14,000 square feet, and
that's a delta of about 5,200 square feet. Most of that delta is the outdoor
animal management area, which again will help to better and support the
animals of the JMZ and allow for accreditation, which is a main goal of this project. That concludes our presentation. Thank you very much for your
time and your attention.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you very much.
Mr. de Geus: We're going to talk a little bit about the Long Range Plan for
Rinconada Park. For that, I'll pass it onto Kristen.
Kristen O’Kane, Community Services Acting Director: Good evening, Council
Members. Kristen O'Kane, Community Services. Sarah introduced you to a
bit of the Rinconada Long Range Plan. I'm going to go into a bit more detail.
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The Rinconada Long Range planning process began in 2012 and is intended
to guide future improvements to Rinconada Park over a 25-year period. The
project team worked closely with the community and stakeholders to
establish priorities and, as a result, the plan represents a community-
supported vision for the park. The analysis and outreach identified a need
for improved circulation and gateways into the park as well as enhanced play
areas and social space, natural areas and recreational amenities. The goal
of the Long Range Plan is to maintain the existing character of the park
while creating better connections to all the community facilities that exist
around and within the park. Another goal is to update the existing park
amenities to reflect current and future needs of the diverse group of park
users and respond to park usage as it relates to the surrounding uses and
neighborhood. Finally, the Long Range Plan addresses safety concerns and
Building Code and infrastructure improvements including ADA requirements. The purpose of this slide is really just to show the robust public outreach and
community engagement steps that occurred since the project's inception in
2012, including outreach with Walter Hays School, Commissions and Boards,
and the Pedestrian and Bicycle Advisory Committee. The Plan divides the
park into 12 elements and describes an implementation plan for each of
these elements, which will be accomplished over the next 25 years through
multiple phases. Implementation will result in improvements to vehicular
and pedestrian circulation, parking safety, and accessibility. The Long Range
Plan will also create a sense of aesthetic consistency throughout the park
and will include clear wayfinding signage and program identification,
upgrades to park furnishings and pathway materials, and preservation and
integration of heritage trees and water-wise landscaping. In the nearer
term, the improvements will occur on the west end of the park, closest to
the Junior Museum and Zoo and includes creating a new, beautiful park
entrance plaza to the park and JMZ as Sarah showed in the diagrams. It will
upgrade the playground, landscaping around the plaza entry and Girl Scout
House, ADA improvements to the Girl Scout House, improved refuse
enclosures, new restroom signage, and updated park amenities such as
benches and picnic tables. I will now turn it back to Rhyena, who will talk about the CEQA process.
Ms. Halpern: We only have a couple more slides, and then we'll be able to
go to your questions and discussion. I'm must going to quickly go over our
CEQA process and our approval process with our Boards and Commissions.
You can see here that we started the CEQA process almost 4 1/2 years ago. We've had a lot of community meetings and public input on it. We did get
approval in the fall of 2017. It's been quite a lengthy process. The CEQA
process was of both the JMZ and the Rinconada Park. The CEQA studies
covered air quality analysis, arborist reports, archaeology, historic resources,
historic evaluation, geotechnical investigation, noise assessment, and
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transportation impact. In terms of Board and Commission reviews, we did
go—we being Friends of the JMZ, the architect, and City Staff—did go to the
Parks and Rec Commission no less than five times. We were at the ARB
about four times before formal submission, and we were there twice. About
six times at the ARB and twice at HRB. We had two community meetings as
part of our CEQA process, and we've had several focus groups as well. I'm
just going to conclude with our next steps just so you know what's coming.
In the new year, 2018, we'll be coming back in January on the contract to
remodel Cubberley Community Center. That is where we will be for about 2
years during the construction. The JMZ will temporarily relocate there. We'll
be coming back to you in the first week of February with two really
important items. One is our three agreements with the Friends of the JMZ,
and all things budget, both looking at the operating budget for the future
JMZ and looking at the capital budget for Rinconada Park and the JMZ. We'll also be coming with a naming rights plan, we hope in the spring. We expect
to break ground on the project in June '18. It's going to be a very, very
busy and tight schedule to get us there. We really appreciate and recognize
the work of Vance Brown, especially Tim Stitt who is here tonight. It's about
an 18-month construction period. We'll be planning to open in May 2020 the
new JMZ. Along with that, we'll be coming back for additional phases on the
Rinconada Park Master Plan improvements. With that, we have the actions
for your consideration after questions and discussion. We wanted to open it
up to Staff as well as Friends as well as the architects.
Mayor Scharff: Do we have any speakers from the public? No public
speakers. That means we come to Council for comments, questions,
motions, etc. Council Member Wolbach.
Public Hearing opened and closed at 7:20 P.M. without public comment.
Council Member Wolbach: As the liaison this year to the Friends, I've got to
say I've been incredibly impressed getting to work with this group of
dedicated residents and people who are committed to seeing kids science
education in Palo Alto. I really do want to repeat Aletha's commendation of
the entire Friends Board and everybody who has been affiliated with it. It's
really been impressive. I do have a couple of questions. We talk about May 2020 as a prospective opening date. Given some of the other infrastructure
projects we've done in recent years or are currently in the works, where
we've not quite hit our targets for having them completed on time. Some
have been ahead of time and have done great, like the Rinconada Library.
Others have taken a little longer. Can Staff provide any insight into what we're going to do to make sure we hit our targets both on time and also on
budget?
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Ms. Halpern: Thank you for that question. One thing you'll see on
February 5th when the agreements come to you is that we are actually
leasing the land to Friends of the JMZ for those 2 years. They are actually
managing the construction project. We do believe it will be on time.
Council Member Wolbach: I don't know if anyone from the Friends wants to
weigh in on that at this time, if the Mayor would allow it or if they'd like to
save that for a discussion next time we discuss this.
Mr. de Geus: I would just add, Council Member Wolbach, we're fortunate to
have such a well-organized Friends group for one thing, and secondly to
have Vance Brown close to this. They have a reputation for delivering
projects on time and on budget. We feel very confident they'll be able to do
this.
Council Member Wolbach: I actually do think that's a good point. I
appreciate that.
James Keene, City Manager: I want to do a full accounting. In general, our
projects really are on time and under budget, much more so than not. We
had that one huge challenge with the Mitchell Park Library. That still ended
up coming in under budget, but time was the issue. Almost all the time,
once we get to the point of being able to proceed with a project and award a
contract, we can manage the costs and the schedule. In this case, of
course, we've got a great partner.
Council Member Wolbach: The point is well taken. That doesn't diminish the
concern of the public. Just to make sure with this project in particular we do
move forward expeditiously and we keep a close eye on the budget and
escalating costs. Obviously there has been some increase in costs over
time, but I think that's been accounted for here. I also just wanted to say I
appreciate Staff being transparent and pointing out that there are going to
be some hard conversations we're going to have to have in the next year.
On page 245 of the packet, it does talk about how we're going to have to
have some serious conversations. We're going to have to think very
carefully about our prioritization of infrastructure projects and how we're
going to continue to fund them and how we're going to close an almost $3.5
million gap. That doesn't diminish my desire—I don't think it diminishes this community's desire to see this project move forward as a very high priority.
I do appreciate that Staff is keeping us appraised of the challenges and
giving us a preview of the hard conversations that we are going to have to
have next year. I would like to move the Staff recommendation as a Motion.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Second.
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MOTION: Council Member Wolbach moved, seconded by Vice Mayor Kniss
to:
A. Adopt a Resolution approving the Mitigated Negative Declaration
(MND) and Mitigation Monitoring and Reporting Program (MMRP) in
accordance with the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) for
the Junior Museum and Zoo (JMZ) project and Rinconada Park Long
Range Plan (RPLRP); the Resolution also approves the Rinconada Park
Long Range Plan; and
B. Approve a Record of Land Use Action (RLUA) referencing the
Resolution and approving the Architectural Review application for
replacement of the existing JMZ with a new JMZ and site
improvements including reconfiguration of the Lucie Stern Community
Center parking lot, vehicular driveways, enhancement of pedestrian
and bicycle circulation routes through the site; and
C. Adopt a Park Improvement Ordinance (PIO) referencing the Resolution
and approving improvements to the JMZ, within the Rinconada Park
Long Range Plan area; and
D. Amend the Fiscal Year 2018 Budget Appropriation Ordinance for the
Capital Improvement Fund by:
i. Increasing Other Revenue by $270,124; and
ii. Increasing the JMZ Renovation Project (AC-18001) in the
amount of $270,124; and
E. Approve the addition of a part-time unbenefited 0.48 FTE position limit
dated through September 30, 2020.
Mayor Scharff: I think Vice Mayor Kniss beat you by a hair. You want to
speak to your Motion?
Council Member Wolbach: There isn't a whole lot more that I need to add
beyond what's already been said. An excellent presentation, thank you for
that. When I was a kid going to the JMZ, I loved it. This proposal is just
going to blow that experience away. This is truly going to take a gem in
Palo Alto and more than polish it up. I also want to, again, emphasize the
work that's been done by the Friends in raising $25 million. I know
everybody thinks money just grows on trees around here. Finding $25 million is not a small feat. Making that available for philanthropic purposes,
to serve the public at large, to gift that essentially to the community of Palo
Alto and the region is something worth commending. What that also means
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is we're getting dollars for the pennies. We're putting pennies in compared
to the dollars we're getting out. The ROI, return on investment, for the City
of Palo Alto on this project is truly remarkable. If only we could do that with
all of our projects. Thank you so much for everybody on the Staff side and
the Friends and the community who has helped get us to this point. I'm
very happy and proud to push this forward to the next step.
Mayor Scharff: Vice Mayor Kniss.
Vice Mayor Kniss: I was very impressed when the President of the Zoo
group—I don't remember your name; I'm so sorry. Could you say it again?
Ms. Coleman: Aletha Coleman.
Vice Mayor Kniss: You and your group obviously have done a remarkable
and rather miraculous job. There are lots of other groups in town trying to
raise money. This is extremely impressive. Could I ask one question? I
don't know who to direct this at. It may be the man working at Vance Brown. Is that you at the back of the room? Do you mind coming to the
mic for a minute? We'll put you in the hot seat. I don't recall that we have
leased any property previously to a nonprofit group. Am I right, Jim Keene,
or not? Have we ever done that before.
Mr. de Geus: We have done that a couple of times, Vice Mayor Kniss, for
different playground improvements and other things. Heritage playground, I
think, was done that way.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Maybe not a project of this size.
Mr. Keene: We have permanent leases. Avenidas, for example, is leased.
Vice Mayor Kniss: I don't recall leasing for construction and then it's going
to return to us. Avenidas is on their own. They require very little help from
us. I see this as a somewhat new endeavor. We're always the on time and
under budget folks. It doesn't always work out that way. Can you give us
some reassuring words tonight to say that's what's going to happen? Once
we start in February and in February of 2020 it'll be all ready to go.
Tim Stitt, Vance Brown Builders: We recently completed a somewhat similar
lease agreement with the Palo Alto Unified School District. We built their
gymnasium. That was also the (crosstalk) Foundation.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Fabulous.
Mr. Stitt: That was on time and under budget. That was roughly $35
million. It was a great collaboration between our firm and the Unified School
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District of Palo Alto. That's one example. There's really just two things we
need as a general contractor, timely payment and timely decisions. We're
working together with the City, with John, and a great architect here.
They've done a lot of work in Palo Alto as we have. Just getting the timely
information is really the key. I think we've proven it over the years here in
Palo Alto.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Vance Brown and company definitely has done that. I
appreciate your saying something about that. That's going to be really
important as you bring together a nonprofit and your kind of profit company.
You do so many things. I don't know whether you really make a profit or
not.
Mr. Keene: We hope they do.
Mr. Stitt: Just a tiny profit.
Vice Mayor Kniss: It certainly isn't our business as to whether or not you do. You're very generous throughout town including on Avenidas.
Mr. Stitt: That one, we're not making any profit on it.
Vice Mayor Kniss: You'll be doing it almost at the same time, right?
Mr. Stitt: It'll be concurrent for about 6 months.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Thank you so much for saying that.
Mr. Stitt: You're welcome. Any other questions before I sit down or should I
…
Vice Mayor Kniss: Having said all that, you all have been wonderful raising
the money, putting it forth, Vance Brown with the construction. I have one
other question that's probably a little less happy. We're going to increase
our costs on a yearly basis and our staffing costs. Correct? Once this is
complete.
Mr. de Geus: Yes. We're still working on the operating budget and trying to
refine it further. It's a bigger facility, a slightly larger program. There will
be some additional costs.
Vice Mayor Kniss: My question then would go back to—is it Elise? Maybe I
don't have her first name correct. Aletha. Would you anticipate—maybe
you'd come back to the mic so we get this all on the record. Otherwise, it
usually doesn't transcribe. As you come up, I want to know long term would
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you anticipate that you would have volunteers who stay involved with the
Museum and Zoo.
Ms. Coleman: I can't imagine that the people I've been working with over
the last number of years would not want to stay involved and that the
Friends would not want to continue to support the programs that we do now.
As a matter of fact, we have been the biggest supporter of the science
outreach program which Palo Alto technically can't fund. We've done that
for the last 10, 15 years. We've given money for exhibits. We anticipate
continuing our support. We're, as a matter of fact, discussing now how
we're going to do that in the long term. Nothing's final.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Having that discussion about how you're going to do it in
the long term is really important and important for the Council to know as
well that you'll stay involved with hands on and so forth.
Ms. Coleman: I can't even imagine why we wouldn't with the good faith gift of $25 million. We're not going to stop now.
Vice Mayor Kniss: That's a lot of faith.
Ms. Coleman: I did want to add about Tim. My daughters went to Menlo
School, and they rebuilt the middle school and the high school in a 15-month
period so that only 1 year was impacted. It was absolutely amazing. Vance
Brown has done a fabulous job in the community for so many projects.
When Lauren Brown said, "Tim's on your board," I was thrilled.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Thank you. I appreciate your having shared all that.
This is a big commitment on our part. It really will change how that whole
part of town is used. Rob.
Mr. de Geus: Vice Mayor Kniss, I just wanted to add we'll be talking about
the pro forma of the new operating Junior Museum and Zoo in the new year.
We're working on that pro forma with the Friends group. They will be there.
They're committing to additional support and contributed income. We're
very confident that they're going to a big supporter in the years to come.
Vice Mayor Kniss: It's going to be a exemplary project when it's done. It's
certainly very impressive on paper. We'll look forward to the finale. Thanks.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: First of all, thanks to the Board and the Friends. This looks like a great project. We're really excited. Thanks to the
generosity. I had just a few questions about some the surrounding areas. If
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there's a chance when this comes back, it would be great to see some
renderings or the 3-D video from different sides. Some of it's a little hard to
tell from the drawings. I was curious about the impact on Lucie Stern
parking. Today part of that lot is separated. It looks like it's going to be
merged into one lot. Has there been any discussion about events at Lucie
Stern and events at the Museum? The parking's for both facilities?
Ms. Halpern: The parking lot has 95 spaces right now. In the new design it
will either have 93 or 94 spaces. We're losing one to two spaces.
Council Member DuBois: It's kind of implied by the separate driveway, but
it's not spots are assigned to one or the other. Is there any anticipation of
particular events or times where it's going to be a challenge?
Ms. Halpern: It's a highly used area because we have the Lucie Stern
Community Center. We have two theatres. We have the Junior Museum
and Zoo. We have the Girl Scout House. We have Boys Scouts. We have the park, and we have Walter Hays, and we have the pool as well. We feel
really good about keeping the same number of parking spaces while
increasing the efficiency of the circulation in the parking lot, just making it a
lot more functional, making it a lot safer for children when they walk through
it, for bicyclists as well. The pedestrian and bike pathway is going to be a
new feature that will really make it much more accessible by bike and foot
and much safer. Right now, it's used a lot. All those amenities are at the
went end of the park. We seem to not get too many complaints at all about
parking. Sometimes we'll have weddings and theatre at the same time as
other things. There is that parking, and there's street parking nearby. More
and more people bike and walk. One thing I'm very excited about is the new
parking lot allows buses to go through. When we bring students in, we'll be
able to much more easily accommodate them in a large bus instead of many
cars. I think it will work out pretty much like how it does now.
Council Member DuBois: It was hard to tell from the drawing. Is there less
setback in trees in front of the Girl Scout Building in the future plan than
there is today?
Ms. Halpern: We might have to pull it back up.
Council Member DuBois: Maybe the architect knows.
Ms. Vaccaro: We are reconfiguring—currently there's a parking lot that sits
between Lucie Stern and the Girl Scout Building. There's about a 50-foot,
maybe 45-foot, landscape buffer in front of the Girl Scout Building before
you reach the parking lot currently. In our proposed design, we are pushing
that edge back about 15 feet. We'll still be well over 30 feet from the Girl
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Scout Building with the parking lot edge. The plan is to invest in additional
landscaping and pathways within that area to resemble the current buffer
that's there today.
Council Member DuBois: It is a nice buffer today. I know you met with
Parks and Rec. I didn't see any Parks and Rec Minutes in the Staff Report.
For a big project next to a park, that would be good to see. What were the
comments and feedback from the Parks and Rec Commission?
Ms. Halpern: We did have the link in the Staff Report to the Parks and Rec
Commission. I think we detailed in the Staff Report some of their
comments. Over the five times that we had gone to the Parks and Rec
Commission, their main concern at the beginning was reducing the footprint
of the JMZ into the park. That's why you saw that we actually decreased the
footprint by about 5,000 square feet. That was the main concern that they
had. They were also really interested in the parking lot improvements that we were doing. They were interested in landscaping improvements. One
thing that you see in this design is we're going to for the first time have an
actual park entrance. This is very exciting. It's close to the Girl Scout
House, so we'll actually be doing some landscaping around there as well.
They were excited by that.
Council Member DuBois: Did they actually vote on anything?
Ms. Halpern: They voted to approve the Park Improvement Ordinance.
They did.
Council Member DuBois: Are there any expected impacts on the school
during construction? How is that going to be managed?
Ms. Halpern: We do have a relationship with Walter Hays where we
informally exchange information if it's going to impact the parking lot.
Sometimes we use their parking lot on Sundays when we have events at the
JMZ and vice versa. We'll be in communication with them to let them know.
Council Member DuBois: Any mitigations for noise during school hours?
Ms. Halpern: We've working on phasing the construction of the new parking
lot so that it's never entirely closed. On the average it'll be …
Council Member DuBois: I'm talking about mostly the building construction
period.
Ms. Halpern: That's what I was referencing.
Council Member DuBois: I thought you were talking about the parking lot.
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Ms. Halpern: During construction, the parking lot will not be completely
closed.
Council Member DuBois: I'm asking about construction noise during school
hours. Is that just going to unavoidable?
Ms. Halpern: Pretty much. We could have Tim talk about that.
Mr. Stitt: I'm also sensitive to that because all three of my kids went to
Walter Hays. I will admit that we did park in your parking lot when we
dropped off our kids, and we snuck over to Walter Hays and back. My wife
didn't; she always went over to the tennis courts. There will be an impact,
as Rhy mentioned. We'll probably take up probably 70 percent of the
parking lot. We'll only have about 30 or so stalls in the northern half for the
first part of the project. The way we're going to try to phase it is if we start
this summer, we'll have a full summer while Walter Hays is closed. On the
back end, we'll have another summer to reconfigure the parking lot. We're going to try to do most of the heavy lifting during those summer months.
Council Member DuBois: I support the Motion and the project. I just really
wanted to understand what the impacts might be. Thank you.
Mayor Scharff: Karen.
Council Member Holman: Congratulations. Congratulations are in order. I
have some specific questions because of clarity and because it's our job.
There were some questions asked. One of them is there's $2.6 million in the
Rinconada Park Improvement CIP. There's also unfunded $3.4 million for
exhibits, FFE, parking improvements, and signage. Where are those in
approval or future approval or prior approval? Can you remind us, job our
memories, or anticipate?
Mr. de Geus: The $2.6 million is an existing CIP. That is already in the 5-
year budget. Actually it's in this fiscal year's budget, I believe. The $3.4
million estimate is unfunded. We don't yet have a source of funding to come
up with that gap. We recognize that it's needed, but we also know there a
number of other significant capital projects that are underway that are also
overbudget. The months of December and January, Staff will be doing a lot
of work on the capital budget to look for additional sources of funds, for
ideas about prioritizing the different projects, so we can not only find the $3.4 million but balance the entire CIP budget. The Council has a meeting
on January 22 to take a look at the capital budget as a whole, understanding
that there is a significant gap. This will be included in that, and we'll have to
make some choices about what goes first and what has to be delayed or
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scope has to change in some of the projects that Council would like to see
happen.
Council Member Holman: The way I read the response to the question,
whoever asked it, it looked like—I don't remember that the Council has
authorized the utilization—maybe we don't have to because it's at the park.
I don't remember that the Council has authorized the use of the $2.6 million
for the specific part of the project that's being proposed here. In response
to the question, the way I read it—the question was what's the City's
anticipated total capital investment in the JMZ effort. It seems to include
the $3.4 million for exhibits. I'm trying to anticipate how—there's nothing in
the motion that address either one of those things.
Mr. de Geus: That's correct, Council Member.
Council Member Holman: The way I heard your response, it didn't seem to
include that the City's committing the $3.4 million. It's unfunded. Your response to the question sounds like we are anticipating committing it. I'm
confused.
Mr. de Geus: It's a fair question. We're not asking the Council to approve
any capital budget this evening. We still have some work to do on that.
What we're sharing with you is the cost estimates as we anticipate them for
the City for this project. We do have this one CIP that's $2.6 million that we
think can contribute, but we're $3.4 million short at this time. When we
come back in the year—I think it's February 5—with the contracts with the
Friends, we will have a plan for funding the project.
Council Member Holman: Along with Council Member DuBois' questions,
when this went to Parks and Rec, I know that they had interest in shrinking
the intrusion into the park. Maybe it's a question for the City Attorney.
What was the discussion around the Park Dedication Ordinance and
encroachment in to the park and Park Improvement Ordinance versus
having our Park Dedication Ordinance apply such that a vote of the public
would have to take place to utilize this for another purpose? If you could
provide some clarification around that, it'd be great. I would imagine Parks
and Rec did discuss this.
Mr. de Geus: Good question. That was probably the primary interest of the Parks and Rec Commission, to retain as much of that turf area of Rinconada
Park. The project team was very responsive in trying to reduce the size of
that without compromise the scope of the program and project. We got to a
place where they were comfortable with the design and voted unanimously
for it. The Zoo, I think, was there before we had that particular ordinance for dedicated parkland. That being said, it does allow for recreation, park,
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and conservation purposes, which is largely what the Junior Museum is all
about. I think it's a very fitting use of parkland. That was the conclusion
that I'd come to as Staff.
Molly Stump, City Attorney: We agree. The Junior Museum and Zoo is
consistent with the requirements of parkland.
Council Member Holman: This is helpful. Again, these are necessary
questions and appropriate questions. If we could just wave our hands and
say everything's fine and wonderful—it is fine and wonderful, but we do have
responsibilities to follow up. What other entities such as this does the City
fund the Staff? What conversations have happened with JMZ about the
Friends supporting the staffing? The Art Center, the City supports Staff
there. I'm trying to think where else.
Mr. de Geus: It's across Community Services and Library Department.
Council Member Holman: Libraries are not …
Mr. de Geus: The Children's Theatre is another example. It's a pretty
distinct program where the City manages all the Staff. The Mitchell Park
Community Center and all their teen programs, the City supports and
provides the Staff. The Art Center is another good example. It's an
institution, but it's supported by another great foundation. Largely, the City
supports the program by providing the Staff.
Ms. Halpern: Excuse me. Were you asking about our nonprofit arms that
actually pay to offset the cost of Staff?
Council Member Holman: That's what I'm trying to get at, yes. Thank you.
Ms. Halpern: I could speak to that a little bit. The Art Center actually does
transfer to the City an allocation that does support part of two people's
salary. At the Children's Theatre and at JMZ, there are direct expenses from
those nonprofit arms that the nonprofit arms spend directly. For instance, at
the Children's Theatre there are some contractors that the FoPACT pays for
as opposed to going through—they don't transfer the money to the City.
They pay directly. The Friends of the JMZ is really responsible for offsetting
to a large extent education outreach costs. Some years it has come through
the City. What you're asking is a bigger question about can we partner with
our nonprofit arms for our nonprofit arms to offset more City costs. Is that what you're going towards?
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Council Member Holman: Yes. We don't have a standard model. How do
we do that? Especially as we're talking more and more about the fiscal
picture.
Ms. Halpern: You might remember when this project started a few years
ago, Friends of the JMZ was actually interested when the new building
opened in becoming the governing authority, the operator, of the JMZ. That
is something they have decided to defer. We have agreed within the first 5
years after the new building opens to bring up that conversation again.
What you're really talking about is best practices in the field and how
municipalities have rolled off their civic cultural amenities to be operated by
nonprofit arms. That's something Palo Alto hasn't done yet. It's something
we'd like to look at the feasibility of doing in the future. It's not something
that we're ready for right now. It's something that—what you're getting at
is for these kinds of institutions to really grow, the nonprofit sector is a more appropriate home than the public sector. Is that what you're getting at?
Council Member Holman: Exactly. You stated it very well. I would not
expect to change models in midstream for the Junior Museum and Zoo or
anyone else. I would suggested when Staff comes forward with—when
we're looking at our infrastructure and our budgeting and prioritization in
February, that this be on that agenda. It's not capital, but it is expense. It's
something that Finance Committee has been talking about quite a bit too,
the FTE and the benefits that go along with that. City Manager, you want to
say something?
Mr. Keene: I don't know how prepared we will be for an in-depth discussion
along those lines in comparison to the capital piece of it. We understand it's
part of the larger context for where we're going through different phases and
long term for the project.
Council Member Holman: I can appreciate that. I hope everybody here
including the Junior Museum and Zoo folks know it's something we have to
be looking at from a prudent standpoint. We all have budgets to attend to.
Having asked those difficult questions, I'm happy to support the motion.
Congratulations on almost being at the end of this road.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Kou.
Council Member Kou: My questions might have already been answered by
answering Council Member Holman's question. I just want to clarify. What
you're saying is that the Museum and the Zoo is actually considered as part
of the parkland. We're not really removing any parkland or taking out of
parkland acreage. Correct? That's actually very reassuring. As you know, we're already at a deficit parkland per resident. It would be really
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concerning. I remember in the past former Director Greg Betts had instilled
into me not to take away from parkland because it's so important. I have
never gotten that lesson that he had sat me down and told me about. It's
also good to know with Vice Mayor Liz's question about the JMZ Friends
continuing after this is all done. We're going to need the PR in order to bring
people in to visit. One of the things I was wondering is—I know this is down
into the weeds. For the residents, would be there consideration of
something like what we have in Hawaii, a local rate so that it's less for
residents? Residents right now visit the parks for free. Is that consideration
in there too?
Ms. Halpern: Yes. When we come back February 5, you'll see a lot more on
that.
Council Member Kou: That will be great. With the park itself, which one of
the play areas is the one that is being redone? Is it the tot or is it the playground?
Mr. de Geus: I understand both are being redone. Currently, they're
separated, which is actually difficult for families that have kids of different
ages. The idea is to bring them together and redo them. Is that correct,
Kristen?
Council Member Kou: Is this for Rinconada's renovation which is separate
from the Junior Museum and Zoo?
Mr. de Geus: That's correct. We want to take advantage of one
construction cycle to try to do them at the same time if we can.
Council Member Kou: Is there any consideration that perhaps, just to be
consistent since on the south there is a Magical Bridge—anyway we can have
that playground be Magical Bridge also and maybe raise some funds for that
with the Magical people?
Ms. O’Kane: We did submit a grant request to the County as part of their
accessible, inclusive playground grant program. We should know by the
beginning of the next year if we got accepted for that grant. The design that
we submitted for that grant application incorporates a lot of the same
features that are at the Magical Bridge playground. It was for Rinconada.
Council Member Kou: It was for Rinconada?
Ms. O'Kane: Yes.
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Council Member Kou: That would be super. I can just imagine the kids
going through the Museum and the Zoo and then being able to go out to a
playground which would be very inclusive of all kids, even adults.
Ms. Halpern: If I could just add. One of the actions for tonight that you're
approving is actually a Federal grant that we got to address accessibility and
inclusion in the new JMZ.
Council Member Kou: That's super. Are the Magical people being consulted
on this playground?
Ms. Halpern: Yes.
Council Member Kou: I'm very much in support. Thank you for all your
work and your dedication.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Tanaka, did you … I just wanted to say that
I also am thrilled that you guys are pulling this off. This will be an incredible
addition to the community. I wanted to say I'm just proud to live in a community where you guys can go out, raise the money, envision something
like this, and get it to this. I live in that neighborhood. My kids went to
Walter Hays. We went to the Junior Museum and Zoo all the time when they
were little. It was great. I'm just really happy about. There are few
moments in life when you can sit back and say, "This is great. They
community's moving forward. We should all be happy and proud of our
community." This is one of them. I actually wanted to offer my sincere
thanks to all of you for the hard work you've done on the Junior Museum
and Zoo as well to our Staff who has supported you on this effort. Thank
you very much. With that, we can now vote on the board. That passes
unanimously with Council Member Fine absent. Thank you very much.
MOTION PASSED: 8-0 Fine absent
Council took a break from 7:58 P.M. to 8:07 P.M.
12. Review and Provide Direction to Staff Regarding City Comments on the
Draft Environmental Impact Report for the Stanford General Use
Permit (GUP) Application to Santa Clara County.
Mayor Scharff: We're going to call the meeting back to order. Staff, if you
want to go forward with a presentation.
Hillary Gitelman, Planning and Community Environment Director: Thank you, Mayor Scharff and Council Members. I'm Hillary Gitelman, the Planning
Director. I wanted to introduce and thank Meg Monroe to my right as well
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as the consultants we've been using from Dudek and Hexagon to help
prepare for this next item. What you have before you is a draft comment
letter on the Draft Environmental Impact Report about Stanford's General
Use Permit proposal. The County of Santa Clara is the lead agency for this
EIR. They have extended the comment period to February 2nd. We have
quite a draft comment letter for your consideration. It was distributed in the
packet. You'll see it contains a brief cover letter raising five or six big
picture issues, and then attached to that is a whole long series of technical
comments. The comments fall into two buckets. Most of them are related
to the Draft EIR specifically and engage on the issue of the California
Environmental Quality Act compliance. Some of the issues raised in the
letter are more policy-related issues that we're asking the County to
consider in their deliberations on the University's use permit proposal. I'd
just note one thing before launching in which is, subsequent to sending you the draft, we heard from the School District that they don't agree with the
declining enrollment projections in the Draft EIR. That's something we
might want to add to the next draft of the letter. With that, we're open to
public comments, you comments and questions. The City Manager wanted
to say something as well.
James Keene, City Manager: Obviously, the cover letter itself is relatively
short. I would just say one thing. We would, as we finalize the letter,
reorder these items. I would point out on the very first page, for example,
we call out issues of primary concern. The first thing we mention is in the
area of fire services. Of late, we've been making some tremendous progress
collaboratively with Stanford. Just to recognize that, we would restructure
and reorder where that particular comment is. We'll be welcoming other
comments from the Council themselves. That's it.
Mayor Scharff: We have one public speaker, Neilson Buchanan.
Neilson Buchanan: Good evening. Far be it from me to be able to add any
narrow item to the lot that's already been written. It's been written by
experts and far above my pay grade. When I sit back and think about what
this agreement means for Stanford and for the City, it staggers my
imagination. I frankly don't think I'm going to be around for the wind up of this thing. Maybe I will, maybe I won't. From a really big picture view, I
just encourage you to have a full discussion of how do you manage any
conflict or resolutions that have to have happen in a large span of time. I
don't know how those mechanics really work. I haven't been able to figure
it out. You're binding yourself and Stanford and the County to an agreement that it's hard for me to believe life will be perfect over a long period of time.
Not that there's anything malicious about what people will think and do. It's
just there's so much variance and unpredictability of what our world is going
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to be like. It's just hard for me to imagine how three powerful forces,
Stanford, the City, and the County, will ever—things will never be perfect.
The question in my mind is to encourage you to fully discuss how would—
what legacy are you going to leave for the future Councils to reconcile
conflict that inevitably will arise. I hope it won't. Thank you.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you. You want to speak? Stephanie, come on up and
speak.
Stephanie Munoz: Good evening and thank you especially much for letting
me come up late. I attended that meeting on the GUP. I thought it was
remarkable that Supervisor Simitian went to so much trouble sending out
those cards to everybody. I would have thought that the cultural center
would be filled. It had a respectable crowd. I've been looking at Stanford
many, many years. My grandmother used to take me when I was 4 or 5 to
see Stanford and the big chapel with the murals because my father went there. I got the impression—we've always had people working at Stanford.
We had students from Stanford staying with us. I got an impression of
Stanford as a very special place that cared about the people of California and
the people that work there. It was called the Stanford family. Anybody that
worked at Stanford's child, if he passed the examination, could go to
Stanford for free. In the late '50s after Sputnik, somebody—it was Professor
Terman actually—got this wonderful idea that Stanford could be something
better than the Stanford family, helping out the world and California. It
could be a money maker par excellence, and it became that. It became a
cynosure in the entire world. That's not all there is to life. When they got
together with Palo Alto, the Council Members of that time looked at the map
of Palo Alto and the projected housing, which was going to go up naturally in
the Stanford Foothills, and they changed it to industry. Look where we are
now. We have people out in bus stops homeless. This is not what Mrs.
Stanford wanted. We have to give some more thought to at least keeping
Stanford's employees housed at Stanford. Thanks so much.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you. We come back to Council. I don't know if
people want to do a round of questions they may have on things. I'll just
look for some lights. Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: One question for us is really around process. We
now have 60 days more. I don't know if we want to treat this—it is an
action item.
Mayor Scharff: Do you want to move to continue?
Council Member DuBois: No. I want it to be treated as Staff hearing feedback from us, and it comes back with another draft with time to make
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final comments before it gets submitted. I would suggest we do that. I had
one question. Is it better in this type of letter to make very specific requests
or to raise general issues? How does Staff think about that in the cover
letter?
Ms. Gitelman: In my experience, it's appropriate to do both. Usually some
large, general framing issues are appropriate, and then very specific
technical comments.
Council Member DuBois: I have a lot of comments. The other question I
would have is specifically around affordable housing changes. I didn't see it;
I might have missed it. Did Staff have a concern with the changes to where
that money can be spent in the current proposal versus the existing?
Ms. Gitelman: I don't know that we expressed a concern about the use of
the affordable housing funds. We talk a lot about housing and meeting more
of the University's housing demand on campus. I think that would be a comment that we could certainly add.
Council Member DuBois: That's one of my concerns. The other one is what
is our current impact fee. I thought it was like $35 now. The GUP is still at
$20. Was that an issue that you guys raised?
Ms. Gitelman: I know that's an issue that the County is looking at because
they've asked us for our nexus study and our Housing Impact Fee
Ordinance. You're right. Our current impact fee is $35 for office uses.
Council Member DuBois: You didn't raise it in your letter?
Mr. Gitelman: We did not.
Council Member DuBois: Those are my questions. I'll have comments later.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: I'd actually agree that we should probably treat
this essentially like a Study Session, have it come back and then do a final
approval. That would probably be in the new year because we're not going
to do this next week. Just to mention a couple of things. I'm glad that
we're talking about storm water and flooding. I'm glad there's reference to
potential future school site and also talking about that in the context of
transportation. A couple of things. If you look at Page 11 of the comments
in the EIR, I would recommend taking a look at those, especially "c" through "f." They probably could have been a little bit clearer. That's under
transportation and traffic. We could have been more specific or more clear
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about what it is we're talking about and why we're talking about it. I felt the
same about Item 17 on Page 7 of the comments on the Draft EIR. Maybe I
needed to spend a little bit more time with. I didn't really understand the
argument we were making there. Maybe we need to clarify that. Either
reconsider or maybe it just needed some clarification. Similarly on the top
of Page 8, it talks about undercutting reliance on a no net trips policy. That
should probably be—the more we clarify why we have that concern, the
more effective the letter will be.
Ms. Gitelman: Excuse me, Council Member Wolbach. Maybe you could use
packet page numbers so we find your references.
Council Member Wolbach: Sure. I was referencing the—that's fine. I was
talking about Packet Page 495; that's Page 8 of Attachment 12A. Pretty
much all my comments are about Attachment 12A. At the top of Page 495,
Page 8 of 12, where it says undercuts reliance on a no net trips policy. The argument could have been clearer there. I'm not offering specific language.
I'm not going to make a motion on this. I'm just pointing out things where I
thought we could have been clearer. The following, page, several of the
lower case lettered items on Packet Page 498 or Page 11 of 12 could be
more specific and more clear, especially "c," "e," and "f." One I had
mentioned before, Packet Page 494, Page 7 of 12A, is Item 17. Maybe I was
misreading this. Is this a question we talked about as we were finishing our
own Comprehensive Plan? Does our Comprehensive Plan need to
incorporate the CUP? Now, does the GUP need to incorporate our
Comprehensive Plan? We should be very careful about how we're wording
that and phrasing it, again being clear about whatever case we're trying to
make. I have mixed feelings about Packet Page 490, Page 3 of 12, "b" at
the top, where it talks about prohibiting housing. It says prohibit
redistribution of housing or academic square footage to arboretum
development district. It says or lands designated campus open space. In
general, I don't think we want to discourage adding housing along El
Camino, especially if it's not even in Palo Alto. I have mixed feelings about
that. I understand there is an aesthetic character to that area. I'm not
going to make a strong recommendation right now, but that's something we should think about if we're going to take another crack at this in a few
weeks. Just think about whether that's a statement we want to make or
how we want to word that. Those are my comments. Thanks.
Mayor Scharff: Vice Mayor Kniss.
Vice Mayor Kniss: I'll start with one that has troubled me before. It has to do with the academic growth boundary. I have just lost the page for a
moment. Looking at open space protections on Packet Page 46, we've
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brought this up a number of times. This was a major deal with the last GUP.
2025, saying it's not acceptable is absolutely the case. I'm not sure how we
can make that any more definitive. This was such a major discussion when
the last GUP was voted on. I'm somewhat surprised that the public has
come forward to talk about it. They may just not understand, and they may
think that 2025 is still 7 or 8 years away. I don't know how else you can put
this more strongly. I've noticed that Ms. McGowan is in the audience. I've
talked to Joe about it as well. I'm surprised if that isn't something almost
everyone would feel strongly about. Even though I have heard that there's
no plan to go outside the academic growth boundary, there's not going to be
anything in writing. Whatever is in writing is usually what's going to count
10 years from now. One other area is, again, to talk about the schools or
whether or not there will be something like 186 more kids in the school
system. I think among the hardest things to predict in Palo Alto is how many kids will be in the school system in 10 years. Right now, we're seeing
declining enrollment without question. It may be that that could all turn
around again. We've watched in Palo Alto as this went from 17,000 kids in
the '60s to—by '85, it was down to 7,000. I don't think there's any great
predictability unless we can figure out who and how we're going to have
more children. For a while, to go back for a bit in the '70s, people only had
two kids or somebody looked at them disparagingly in Palo Alto. That isn't
the case anymore. We also may say that that could grow again. This is
very hard to predict, what could happen over the next 10-20 years. We've
seen this happen with Cubberley, which has now been empty for 40 years.
At this point for us to try and plan definitively what's going to happen to the
school population is probably a useless discussion to have. Others may go
in another direction, but that's how I feel about that one. That's it for my
comments.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: Thank you to Staff for the cover letter and the
analysis. I agree with Council Member DuBois. I suppose you would need a
motion on this for clarity that we use this as an interim comment period and
come back to the Council for review what would then be our final comments in the third week, I would guess, of January. Would Staff need a Motion to
that effect?
Ms. Gitelman: I'm going to let the City Manager address the process part of
this.
Mayor Scharff: What I've heard is that we're going to treat this as a Study Session with comments. Staff's going to come back with a letter. We're
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going to put this on probably the 29th, I would guess, or the 22nd. We only
have two meetings in January.
Mr. Keene: I know this is going to be hard for the Council to swallow
probably. We have just those two meetings. We have a lot on those
agendas. I'd like to propose the potential of us listing it on Consent, hoping
we got it right, knowing just in case we were fortunate enough we could do
it that way. If we miss the mark, you all can pull it off.
Mayor Scharff: I actually don't think that's a good idea. I hate to disagree
with you. It's been my experience that when we have those full agendas,
this is something that we will then actually have to get out. I would assume
that people want to take a last look at it, make some comments. One of the
dangers of the way we do it here is that Staff will listen to what we say—
they may not get it right—and one Council Member may make a one-off
comment. If we're not going to be voting on it, then those may be comments that we don't want in the letter. We should bring it back on
action, and we should move off some of the other stuff we need to do, if
that's what we're doing tonight. I don't particularly like to move stuff off,
but I think that's the only way to do it. Just putting it on Consent, most
likely it gets pulled.
Mr. Keene: We don't need a Motion. We understand what you want us to
do. We'll come back.
Council Member Holman: I agree with you 100 percent. Can we agree that
January 22nd is more realistic than the 29th because that's just that far
from the end of the comment period. If there are things that we want to
add in or pull out—the public will have comments as well. Can we target the
22nd?
Mr. Keene: We'll give it a shot, and we'll work with the Mayor and Vice
Mayor on the schedule.
Council Member Holman: I know one of the frustrations from the public is
it's December 4 and comments are due today. We don't want to be in that
situation again is what I'm trying to get at. Because I made comments
throughout, I might skip around just a little bit, and starting in no particular
place. I appreciate that air quality is in here, but I was surprised in looking at the DEIR that there's not a significant unmitigable impact when our own
DEIR did have a significant unmitigable impact. As I understood Staff, it
was likely any other jurisdiction around, because of the Bay Area conditions,
that would be a resulting identified impact. I want to put that one out there.
I don't know why this amount of development would be any different than what we did in our Comp Plan. Something that also needs to be
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considered—it's sort of address in here. The open space, I agree with you.
That is on Packet Page 486, Page 2 of 3 of the intro letter. I absolutely
agree with you about the open space protections and what the Vice Mayor
has said about academic growth boundary. Absolutely agree with that. "C"
on housing, Council Member DuBois alluded to this. I commented about this
before, some time or other. $20 plus inflation just doesn't seem realistic or
feasible or rational in this regard. If ours is $35, it ought to be a minimum
of that. We ought to build in cost of construction, cost of project, escalators.
This is a long-term approval, and a lot of things can happen in 10 years that
would change the cost of construction of affordable housing, for instance. A
lot is said here—thank you very much—about no net new trips on Packet
Page 487. For instance, there's a lot of reference to TDM, but there's
absolutely no specificity to the TDM programs. I appreciate that you have
added in the cover letter, in "E," to specific in advance the specific trip reduction measures and transit capacity enhancements. What doesn't seem
to be realistic in the DEIR is Caltrain capacity. Even by the time this is
approve, Caltrain capacity seems to be totally unrealistic. Up and down the
Peninsula, Palo Alto included, we rely on Caltrain for Go Passes and other
TDM programs. We can't all do that when we're at capacity now. I'm not
sure what the best way is to address that. Caltrain capacity is a huge one. I
want to support what you've written on Packet Page—this is the DEIR
comments—489 or Page 2 of that, the future potential changes in land use
or distribution. I absolutely support what you said in Number 3. I would
also add that—I'm not exactly sure if this should be a DEIR comment, but it
needs to be addressed somewhere. A program EIR, as the Stanford GUP
DEIR is, should not supplant or take the place of project-level environmental
analysis. When individual project review happens, they have to also be
individually reviewed for environmental impacts exactly because of—other
reasons too—what's on Number 3 under project description, because of
changed location, changed conditions. Flooding impacts, upstream retention
ponds, absolutely support that. I think I agree with Council Member
Wolbach that affordable housing and housing demand doesn't necessarily
need to be located at transit centers. El Camino might be a good location for that as well. In addition to Caltrain, if I wasn't clear on this, we have to
also consider what kind of—if we can get promises or what we can anticipate
from VTA since VTA continues to take service away from north county.
There's some information having to do with Marguerite supporting
information that I wasn't able to find, the technical analysis having to do with Marguerite, having to do with Caltrain, having to do with VTA ridership,
boardings, capacity, potential future capacity and service. Another really
important one and one that's very, very important to the community is on
Page 10, Packet Page 497, under recreation and the parks. I don't
understand why some of those other parks aren't being included in the
analysis. What's being proposed is some improvements to a park in College
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Terrace. What is more needed is possibilities in funding for park creation,
identification and acquisition. When this is accurately evaluated, see if the
acquisition funding would be a reasonable mitigation. I also wasn't clear
about El Camino Park. It's not referenced here. It has an end of life
potentially on it, hopefully not, because it's leased parkland. The other is
whether the Mayfield playing fields were included in the analysis. It didn't
seem as though they were. They either should or shouldn't be, but that also
has a horizon line on those fields. Agree with comments that have been
made about school impacts. Also on that same Page, 10 Packet Page 497,
about school impact, I think you'll be hearing directly from the School
District about that and those impacts. Back to transportation and transit
just for a moment. We're talking about in the DEIR peak hour. It was one
of my frustrations. I'll be consistent with what I said the City's DEIR and
FEIR. I think we should be dealing with peak hour. It's peak period. We have this spread of time that's impacted by transit these days. Not quite
meeting in the middle but getting closer to that. This probably should have
been one of the alternatives. I would still say it's a comment worth making.
The proposal should be scaled to fit with whatever amount of housing can
support the amount of development and whatever amount of transit can
support the development. I've often said that mitigations are mitigations.
Sometimes they work just fine; a lot of times they really don't. The cost of
mitigations escalates than the rate they can be put in, and sometimes
mitigations aren't feasible, even though they're well intended, because
there's not land to accomplish them. I would suggest that—a comment
would be that the proposal be scaled to the amount of housing that can be
satisfactory to the amount of demand and also to the amount of transit that
can support the amount of expansion. I think those cover my comments at
this point. Thank you very much.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Kou.
Council Member Kou: We received a letter from a member of the public. I
would hope that you would take that into consideration. It's from Elizabeth
Alexis. There's a lot of good points in there. I noticed on Packet Page 499—
it talks about the crossing guards in Item 29H. I would like to have that as some contribution that goes towards the crossing guards since it also does
address students from Stanford, the children. For now, that's about it.
Thank you.
Mayor Scharff: Tom, I don't know if you wanted to make any comments.
You did questions. We've all moved into comments. Everyone's made comments but you. I thought I'd give you the opportunity.
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Council Member DuBois: Even though there's very few public here, a lot of
public turned out for the County planning meeting. I have been hearing a
lot from people in the community. We should rearrange the cover letter a
little bit. Maybe the first one should be the academic boundary. I support
the comments of my colleagues about trying to maintain and extend that.
Affordable housing is important enough that it should be expanded in the
main letter and the more detailed point later on. We should talk about
multiple things. We should talk about tying it to our current affordable
impact fees. When project is approved, whatever current fees are should
apply. It's really important that those housing fees remain to be used within
a certain radius of Stanford itself. As you point out in the letter, the
imbalance between academic space and housing space really has an impact
on Palo Alto. The current language shifts it to be used anywhere along
Caltrain. I'm worried we're going to see the impact but not any of the affordable housing money. That should be highlighted. On traffic, a couple
of specific suggestions maybe you can work in. We should widen the
timeframe of measurement to what peak means, and maybe some
comments on how the measurements are actually conducted. You had some
language in there about parking off campus. It could be done by an
independent person on an unannounced day. The method of measurement
could be looked at. I don't know if my fellow Council Members support this
one. I think we should look at some kind of Highway 280/Page Mill Road
transit center that could serve the campus and the Research Park. I brought
it up when the County was here. The parking exemptions made sense
except for the high-density faculty and staff housing one. We should look at
that again. That seemed to be a pretty big loophole for parking
requirements. On rail and mass transit, the two issues of Caltrain capacity
and what would happen if we did no grade separation, what would the DEIR
impacts be. They should both be brought up. Levi Stadium is a good
example. One of the letters from the public brought that up, that there were
commitments but then the trains were all at capacity. The second is really is
there a way we can work with Stanford to expand the Marguerite buses and
have those buses impact our traffic less. One idea I've brought up is routing some those buses through campus to the Research Park rather than adding
to the traffic at El Camino and Page Mill. The last comment I have is on the
cumulative projects on Packet Page 49. You call out our Comp Plan and you
call out some of Stanford's developments in other areas. I wondered if we
should look at that list, if there are other specific developments particularly on El Camino in Menlo Park that we might want to call out in that cumulative
section. Thanks.
Mayor Scharff: I had a few comments myself. First of all, I thought Staff
did a fairly good job on the letter and the comments. You encapsulated a lot
of what people were thinking. We should probably put the open space
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protection front and center and go with that. That's something that's really
important. I don't want to see us expanding into the Foothills. On the other
hand, I didn't really like the sentence in "c," in the housing thing, where it
talks about—packet page 486. It says "we urge the County and the
University to reconsider parameters in the current proposal and either
reduce housing demand or increase affordable housing proposed with and
proximate to the campus." I agree we should increase affordable housing.
What I don't want to give is the impression that we think they should reduce
the academic space. One of the things that's going on—you see with the
new Trump tax proposal—is an attack on higher education. We need to be
very supportive here of more faculty, more education, giving people more
opportunity. Stanford provides a unique role in America. We need to be
supportive of that while, at the same time, being really careful on the
mitigations. Council Member DuBois' comments were really good in terms of a Highway 280 transit center, beefing up the Marguerite. Those are the
kinds of things we should be focusing on, how do we deal with the traffic,
how do we deal with the effects of this. I, for one, am not interested in
telling Stanford that they shouldn't build more academic space. To me, that
seems—in fact, I'd rather see Stanford build the academic space than us
build any more commercial space between those two choices. We have to
look a little bit and ask ourselves about the parking. I wanted to clarify a
little bit with Council Member DuBois on that. One the things Stanford has
done a good job at is actually not provide parking for a lot of things. That
creates an incentive to use transit. Since it's a closed system, it's not like if
you're a faculty member and you don't have the parking requirement,
parking on campus that you could really go into the Palo Alto neighborhoods
and keep your car. That's not going to work. I actually do think limiting the
parking on campus is a really good way induce people to use transit or to be
car free as much as possible. I was a little unclear what you meant by that.
Council Member DuBois: I'd asked Staff to go look. This was an exemption
from being counted under the no new trips.
Mayor Scharff: This wasn't parking.
Council Member DuBois: They had exclusions for emergency vehicles and other things. It included high-density staff and faculty housing or
something, which seemed odd to include in the same category as emergency
vehicles.
Mayor Scharff: I misunderstood. I thought you were advocating for more
parking there. That's why I wanted to clarify that. I wanted to reiterate that the approach in this letter should really be what kind of mitigations will
solve the problems that Stanford has. Stanford actually has a really good
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track record of this. We're a little schizophrenic on this sometimes. We hold
them up on their TMA. We hold them up on how they've reduced traffic. It's
right to be skeptical in our letter a little bit about no new trips and how
that's going to work. On the other hand, so far Stanford has performed on
it. I think they have some credibility there. We should give them some
benefit of the doubt while thinking of ways that it works. That's different.
We should overall take a tone in the letter that's not necessarily negative
about stuff in that way, but is positive on those issues. The tone of our
comments should be to encourage Stanford to meet its no new trips goal
and put teeth in it where we can. The way I read this it was the City does
not believe the approach is sustainable. I thought that was a little too
harsh. I would think we would like to believe it's sustainable; we just want
to make sure if it's not, there are other things that occur. That's different.
Given that we do hold up Stanford as a model for others. That seems to be something we do continually. People do conferences about Stanford and
how much they've reduced traffic. Those are the questions. Can they push
that traffic number—I don't remember where they are. How much
percentage do they need to push it down and is that realistic over time that
they're going to do that? That seems to be the crux of it. That's my
comments. With that, you'll come back to us, and we'll have a redrafted
letter. I would encourage us to put the open space stuff and rejigger the
letter as the City Manager said.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Lydia, you made a good comment on the CARRD letter
that came in. One of the things they mention is the criticality of the GUP's
reliance on Caltrain as the backbone of the TDM. If that is indeed the case,
then we should mention. Lydia's right. This is a particularly good letter
from the CARRD group that analyzes this extensively.
Mayor Scharff: Karen, you had something quick.
Council Member Holman: A question for Staff. If there are in particularly
public communications that we want to have referenced, can we say please
reference also … communication? That's one. I asked for last week—thank
you very much to Stanford for facilitating this—a handful of hard copies. It's
a huge document. To do something that large on line is very, very difficult. County Planning brought just two copies to the public meeting. How can
people find out—I understand there are a lot of copies available that are
already printed. How can people get a hold of a hard copy if they want one?
How can they request one?
Ms. Gitelman: Thank you, Council Member Holman. I have one extra set. I did talk to the County Planning Director, and he actually said they don't have
a lot of extra copies. They didn't make a big overrun. They were able to
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find those two sets that they brought to the meeting. My understanding is
they don't have a lot of additional hard copies. We do have a copy that
people can use in our offices and at the Development Center, and they're at
the Libraries.
Council Member Holman: This is a huge document. It's an investment in a
few copies that people might want. How could people request a copy and
get one?
Ms. Gitelman: They should reach out to the County staff. It's their process
and their document.
Mr. Keene: It's the County's project.
Council Member Holman: I understand that. I was hoping the city would
help facilitate that. It sounds like you tried.
Mr. Keene: We did.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Filseth.
Council Member Filseth: Since this is a Study Session, I'm going to take
probably more license than appropriate even for a Study Session. My
impression watching this whole process is it's similar to what was done in
2000. Stanford's got a perceived need for some expansion. There's going
to be all these impacts. How are we going to mitigate them? We're rightly
spending a lot of time thinking about that and trying to figure out what they
all are and how we're going to do this. We'll get through this one. In
another decade or 20 years, there will be another one. We had the
discussion already about what's the maximum build out. Stanford's really
reluctant to commit to a maximum build out. The process that we're going
through, it's good that we're doing it. The community's doing it. I think it's
good we extended it another 60 days to continue to flesh this out. It feels
very incremental. We're going to do the expansion. Here's the impacts.
We're going to mitigate them. This is only half a thought. I wonder if we're
thinking big enough; Council Member DuBois' comment about a transit
center on 280. The fact is we have finite land and transportation capacity in
this part of the world here. Should the expansion be designed around how
the transportation and housing works as opposed to the other way around,
for example? I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. As we continue with this process. I wonder if we shouldn't be looking at this
radically differently at the same time, given that this is likely to continue a
long time in the future. That's all.
Mayor Scharff: Thank you very much. I think that ends that item.
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13. Discussion and Direction to Staff Regarding the State Housing Bills
Effective January 1, 2018.
Mayor Scharff: Now, we're on to the housing stuff.
Hillary Gitelman, Planning and Community Environment Director: Thank
you, Mayor Scharff and Council Members. Hillary Gitelman, the Planning
Director again. I'd like to welcome Sandy Lee from the Attorney's Office and
offer thanks to Albert Yang in the Attorney's Office as well as some of the
Planning Staff that helped with this summary. There's a lot more to do here,
as you'll see, but we wanted to give the Council a first look at the 15
housing bills adopted by the Legislature and signed by the Governor this
year. All of these bills takes effect January 1. If you read through our
memo this evening, you'll understand we think it's going to take a little while
to fully understand their impacts on the state and on Palo Alto. We tried in this report to give you at least some early feeling or thoughts about how
they might impact us here. We're going to focus on the bills out of the 15
that we think will have the most effect here in Palo Alto. The first of those is
SB 35. This is the one that's been called the by-right housing bill. It really
sets up a three-step process. First HCD, the State Department of Housing
and Community Development, decides which jurisdictions are subject to the
provisions of this bill based on how jurisdictions are doing in producing and
meeting their Regional Housing Needs Allocation or RHNA allocation. As we
indicated in the Staff Report, we feel that Palo Alto is going to be subject to
this bill, given where we are in that process. The second step is whether an
applicant can demonstrate that they have an eligible project. We're going to
talk about what that means and what makes an eligible project. The third
step is the ministerial review process and the parking exemptions that come
with being eligible. First, let's talk about what makes projects eligible under
SB 35. Basically, the State has said any housing project with two or more
units or a mixed-use project where two-thirds of the floor area is for
residential use can be eligible if it meets a bunch of other criteria. First, it's
got to be on a site that's zoned or planned for residential or residential
mixed use. It can't involve demolition of a historic resource. It can't be on a site that has hazardous materials. It can't be on a site that has rental
housing or had housing within the last 10 years. We're not going to see use
of this bill for sites that currently have housing on them. It can't apply in
open space areas. It's not available where zoning changes or variances are
needed. If someone proposes a PC Ordinance or a project that needs a design enhancement exception, those are not going to be eligible. It doesn't
apply where projects need a subdivision. It only applies if applicants agree—
this is applicants with ten or more units being proposed—to make at least 10
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percent affordable at certain affordability rates and if they agree to pay
prevailing wages. The expedited project review and approval process.
Basically the City has 60 days to determine whether the project is eligible for
this expedited review. If it is, then the City has to approve the project
within 90 days. It's 60 days to review, and another 30 days and the project
is out the door. The reduced parking requirements are eligible to all projects
that meet the requirements and that are within half a mile of transit. They
don't define that in a lot of detail. If you remember, we looked at this when
we considered the ADU Ordinance. A great deal of the City meets this
definition. I would say probably most of the City where we'll see residential
multifamily and residential mixed-use sites with a possible exception of the
far reaches of the Research Park. I brought that graphic that shows how
land is used in Palo Alto or how it's designated. This is from the Comp Plan,
but it could have just as easily been zoning designations. What it's showing is that we have a lot of the City that's devoted to open space where this bill
will not apply. We have a great deal of the City that's devoted to single-
family residential use and single-family homes and second units are allowed.
This bill is likely to have very little relevance there. We have multifamily
zones, mixed-use zones, business and industrial zones that could have some
multifamily projects that meet the definition and are eligible for this
expedited process. We thought a little bit about how this might apply to
sites in Palo Alto. It's a little hard to predict, but we do have some
situations here that would tend to minimize it's effect here in Palo Alto. One
is that most of our housing inventory sites are pretty small, less than a
quarter acre and many contain existing buildings. This is one of the issues
when we go through the Housing Element update process. Increasingly,
HCD is going to be skeptical of us including those sites in our Housing
Element. We routinely see housing projects that require design
enhancement exceptions or that require rezoning, a legislative change.
Again, those kinds of projects will not be eligible for this process. We do
have some potential for large housing sites, where we may have property
owners who are interested in using this bill and might choose to design a
project specifically to meet provisions of this bill. An example we thought of is in the Research Park. While the floor area ratio for residential projects in
the Research Park is pretty low, the FAR, the density is pretty low, the sites
are big. Even with a 0.4 FAR you could get a pretty significant project. If
the project qualifies under this bill, we would not be able to require a use
permit, which is currently the requirement for residential projects in the Research Park zoning district. It's really going to be hard to predict the
impacts for a while. Property owners are probably going through the same
thing we are; just trying to figure out based on sites they won, the value of
the property, what the zoning currently allows, what might be possible on
their site without legislative change or a variance or exception of some kind.
I brought the map of our housing sites. As I said, most of these are pretty
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small. We'll have to see if owners of these sites start to see a financial
incentive to pursue this expedited redevelopment of their sites. There are a
couple of recent examples of housing projects that the Council's seen. One
was the Compadre's site. If you remember, that was 3877 El Camino. It
involved 17 units on a relatively small site. It needed a design enhancement
exception for the garage ramp. Again, because of the design enhancement
exception, it wouldn't have qualified for the expedited process. On the other
hand, because of this bill, parking would not be required on that site. If the
property owner felt it was feasible to develop 17 units of housing without
any parking, they could have avoided the design enhancement exception
and been eligible for this process. It's going to come down to a market
decision for a lot of people. Do they really want to build housing without any
parking and, if they have parking, can they fit it on the site? Another recent
example is the Mike's Bikes site; that was the 3001 El Camino, 50 units in two buildings. Again, that required a design enhancement exception. That
site had some hazardous materials, so that would not have been eligible for
this expedited process. We're going to move on to the next of these bills.
There's actually several of the bills that amended a current State law
referred to as the Housing Accountability Act. That law requires agencies
who want to disapprove or reduce the density of housing projects to make
very specific findings. It sets a very high bar for agencies who want to deny
or reduce the size of residential projects. The changes in State law expand
this Housing Accountability Act to mixed projects. The same threshold that
we talked about under SB 35, two-thirds of the floor area for residential use.
It also increases penalties substantially for local agencies, and raises the
bar, the standard of judicial review. It is super hard to deny or reduce the
size of a project that's zoning conforming, that involves housing under this
Housing Accountability Act. There are also some changes to the Housing
Accountability Act that are just going to be super difficult in terms of their
procedural impacts. Like SB 35, there's an accelerated timeline for agency
review. In this case, agencies have 30 days after the application is deemed
complete to identify all of the objective standards in the Code, in the
Subdivision Act, and the General Plan that apply to the project. If you miss something in that 30-day review, you can't bring it up later. It's going to be
a little bit of a scramble as these applications come in, both the applications
that purport to be eligible for SB 35 and just any housing application that
walks that's available to the protections of the Housing Accountability Act to
get the Staff reviews done and protect the City's interests on those projects. These are some of the procedural challenges. We can talk about these
further. Basically, we're thinking we're going to have to put a very strong
application intake process in place so we only take in applications that
include all of the information and the background studies that we need to
make these decisions about whether the objective standards have been met
and whether the projects are eligible for SB 35. Under the Housing
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Accountability Act, we're going to have to do that review within 30 days,
comparing the project to the objective standards. Under SB 35, we have 60
days to do that review. In the 60 days, we also have to determine whether
the project is eligible for that expedite processing. If it is, we have to
actually approve the project within 90 days. It's going to be quite a change
in terms of getting geared up and ready to make these quick decisions.
There are even more bills that came in this package. One of the most
interesting and potentially difficult sets of changes related to Housing
Element reporting during the housing cycle. HCD already requires, State law
already requires us to report on an annual basis how we're doing against our
RHNA. We do that. For the first time, Charter Cities are required to hold a
public hearing on that annual report. We'll come to you in March with a
public hearing on our annual report, which is always due on April 1. There
are penalties for not reporting in a timely fashion. The big news for us practitioners is that for the first time, HCD can review actions by agencies or
inaction by agencies on implementation of their Housing Element and find
them out of compliance. The current law allows HCD to weigh in at the time
a Housing Element is adopted to determine whether it meets the
requirements or not. You're pretty much free and clear then for the 7 or 8
years of the housing cycle. Now, HCD can weigh in at any time. If they
hear from a housing advocate or from a developer that the City isn't doing
their fair share, they can take a hard look at our Housing Element and
decide that it's not up to snuff and basically revoke their certification. This is
a big deal. One of the housing bills also requires ongoing monitoring. This
bill specifically is not—Charter Cities are not subject to this bill, which is a
good thing. Effectively, I think we're going to have to do this same kind of
recordkeeping because of this provisions allowing HCD to look at our
Housing Element at any time. Other bills. There were two funding
measures, one transfer tax that's already in effect. That actually makes
funding available for local agencies to do some of the planning and revisions
we're all going to need to do because of these new bills. We'll be submitting
a letter to HCD on January 2 asking for our money to fund any planning
work we need to do in the coming year. In the good news department, there was a bill that we call the "Palmer fix." It allows agencies once again
to require inclusionary units in rental housing. Since a court decision that's
referred to as Palmer happened, we couldn't have inclusionary units in rental
housing, but now we can. We will have the ability to bring you an updated
inclusionary ordinance to add that to our Code. There were also some bills that created new districts to streamline housing similar to specific plan
districts, coordinate area plan districts here in Palo Alto. They didn't really
add any benefits that don't exist in the current specific plan law. A lot of
agencies are talking about those aren't going to be that much use. There
were some bills that adjusted the ADU requirements. Specifically, there
were three adjustments, one related to parking, one just confirming that
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ADUs have to be allowed with construction of a proposed single-family
home, not just an existing single-family home, and that all districts that
allow single-family homes must allow these ADUs. We actually have a Code
cleanup ordinance heading to the Council. It was at the Planning
Commission this past week; it'll go back to the Planning Commission one
more time and then to Council. We've included these ADU changes.
Actually the only two of them we really needed to change the Code about in
that cleanup ordinance were pretty simple adjustments. As you know,
you've asked us to come next year with another look at ADUs generally.
We'll be able to talk about that subject in more depth. Just a couple more
slides here. I'm sorry this has gone a little long. Our implementation
observations and considerations, in other words what can we do to prepare
for all these changes that happen January 1. First and foremost, the
Planning Staff and the Attorney's Office are going to be review and revising our internal procedures to address application intake and processing now
that SB 35 and the Housing Accountability Act changes are better
understood. The Council could consider and adopt an ordinance
memorializing the new procedures in the Code. That's probably something
we'd want to do. We could take a look at our General Plan Land Use
Element and the Zoning Ordinance and see if there are any objective
standards that we want to clarify, any new objective standards we want to
put in there because that's going to be the way that we review these
projects. Next steps. Again, we're going to review and revise internal
procedures as soon as we can. We are going to request funding from HCD
for the planning and Code revisions we want to do in this coming year. We
are working at your request on a Work Plan related to housing that we had
targeted for the end of January, but we may need to rethink that now that
we're doing another draft of the GUP letter. We will bring you a Work Plan
as you've requested, outlining all of the things we could do on housing from
that Colleagues' Memo, from the Housing Element, from the Comp Plan. It'll
give you an opportunity to prioritize. We'll put in that Work Plan some of
these improvements and this relook at our objective standards to meet the
provisions in these new bills. Given any direction we get from you on the Work Plan, we'll work to prepare a draft ordinance, bring it the Planning
Commission and the Council. We're here to answer (inaudible).
Mayor Scharff: Do we have any public speakers? No. Council Member
Holman.
Council Member Holman: I have a couple of questions about this. How does the State Density Bonus Law play into all of this?
Ms. Gitelman: That is a really good question. When I said that projects to
be eligible for SB 35 could not request any exceptions or variances, that
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doesn't include concessions that are available under the State Density Bonus
Act. A project could come in and ask for additional FAR, ask for waiver of a
setback, or something like that. If they are eligible under the State Density
Bonus Act, they could achieve those …
Mayor Scharff: Maybe you could remind us what those are, those eligibility
requirements? I think it's pretty easy to meet.
Ms. Gitelman: Having a certain percentage of a project being affordable can
…
Mayor Scharff: Isn't that within our 15 percent?
Ms. Gitelman: Yeah.
Mayor Scharff: Aren't all projects—why don't we just say all projects are
eligible? Isn't that pretty much right?
Ms. Gitelman: Currently, rental housing is not eligible because it doesn't
have to have the …
Mayor Scharff: We're having the Palmer fix, so all projects will be eligible.
Ms. Gitelman: If rental housing is changed so that requires 15 percent
affordability, then all housing projects would be eligible some density bonus
concessions. Projects that offer a higher level of affordability, would be
eligible for more concessions. Those don't preclude someone from using the
expedited process in SB 35.
Council Member Holman: Remind me and remind us, have we cleaned up
our Code such that the Density Bonus Law can only be used for more
affordable housing or more housing as opposed to, for instance, you're
providing 15 percent affordable units and you get height and density and all
the other kind of bonuses, you can't use that for office? We talked about
doing that. Can you remind me if we did actually make that change?
Ms. Gitelman: I think we do have some cleanup that we would like to do for
the State Density Bonus Law. I'm not certain that that is—I don't recall
exactly how we would accomplish the goal you just articulated. We will take
a look at that. There's at least one cleanup item were thinking of maybe
more—because of a state density bonus change that was made last year.
Do you want to add anything, Sandy?
Sandy Lee, Assistant City Attorney: The upcoming density bonus amendments do not address the issue that Council Member Holman raised.
They do things—for instance, the 2016 legislation clarified that a project that
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qualifies for a density bonus because it provides affordable units doesn't
actually have to use those bonus units, but they can still be eligible for
concessions. That's one clarification. Another amendment, which the
Council will hear more about, is there are other projects that will be eligible
for a density bonus. These are projects that include units for foster youth
and homeless veterans and things like that. It doesn't address the issue
that Council Member Holman raised, which we can look at.
Council Member Holman: Something you just said, they don't actually have
to use the units. What do you mean by that? I tripped over that a little bit.
Ms. Lee: Projects that provide affordable units can achieve 20-35 percent
increase in density beyond what the zoning or General Plan land use
designation would allow. However, those projects that would qualify for that
density bonus don't actually have to use those additional units. They don't
have to construct a bigger project. Because they provide affordable units, they can take advantage of the various concessions that the City has
available in the Density Bonus Ordinance.
Ms. Gitelman: We have had projects like that, where someone was eligible
for a density bonus because they provided affordable units. They didn't
build the bonus units, but they used that eligibility to get design
concessions.
Council Member Holman: Interesting. Maybe there's a little more cleanup.
James Keene, City Manager: It depends on what the tradeoffs are in the
concessions. We may want the concessions rather than the density also.
We might.
Council Member Holman: It depends. Clarity is always good where we can
get it. Speaking of clarity, since we're talking about this. We had a
conversation; there was some confusion recently about TDRs. After the
meeting, it was clarified that TDRs can now be used for housing. Isn't that
correct? Thank you for that. The cleanup that I would look for, if we can do
it legally—it's always seemed counterproductive that we create some
affordable units, but then we create more office that creates more demand
than we're actually providing. It seems like an unintended consequence,
maybe, of the law. The inclusionary rental housing, whether it's rental—we did have this conversation. Rental, we'll just focus on that. Can we raise
the percentage from what it is now? Is there any advantage or
disadvantage to that within the new laws that you know about or can
identify yet?
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Ms. Gitelman: The new laws don't address that issue. I know it was raised
in the Colleagues' Memo. As we develop the Work Plan to bring back to you,
we're looking at what level of effort would be required for that analysis. I
think we'd need to do an economic analysis to show that raising the
percentage is feasible.
Council Member Holman: Is there any way to address various levels of
housing, whether it's affordable, middle income? Is there any way to
address the different strata of housing?
Ms. Gitelman: Some of the ideas that were in the Colleagues' Memo that
we're going to think about for this Work Plan did address that issue. I don't
know that any of these bills—the by-right bill when it requires 10 percent
affordability for projects of ten units or more has specific affordability
requirements for that 10 percent that may vary right now from ours. There
are going to be some slight variations. As far as I know, there's nothing in the bills that would represent a change or a real examination of these other
issues.
Council Member Holman: You're more familiar with it than I, so I thought
maybe you had some additions to that. Thank you very much.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Filseth.
Council Member Filseth: I just wanted to ask one question. A lot of the
emphasis in the Sacramento package is on different tiers of affordable and
below market rate housing. Do we have the ability now to track how many
BMR units at different levels we have in Palo Alto today? Do we actually
have the ability to do that?
Ms. Gitelman: We track on an annual basis how many units in different
levels we produce going backwards to the universe of units. I'm not sure
that we can break it all into the different income levels. We certainly know
how many below market rate ownership and rental units we have. It's a fair
guess that most of the rental units are low or very low. The ownership units
are probably …
Council Member Filseth: We can actually track inventory, not just how many
we did last year and this year?
Ms. Gitelman: It might not be as accurate looking at the whole universe of past actions, but we could come up with an estimate.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Wolbach.
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Council Member Wolbach: It's kind of funny. I've been a part of a couple of
Colleagues' Memos about housing around the same time the State was doing
stuff, but each we came up with independently. First, we were talking
accessory dwelling units, and we said we want to move forward with that.
The State moved forward and said, "You better move forward with that."
Put some fire under us. I felt the State went a little too far in taking away
our local control on ADUs as much as I wanted to move forward with ADUs.
The same thing has happened here. The Colleagues' Memo that we recently
brought forth. You guys worked on the Work Plan. We started working on
that and thinking about that back in March and really spent some time with
it. Over the summer with the League of California Cities, I and some others
did some advocacy, even went up to Sacramento and testified to one of the
Senate Committees on behalf of SB 540. I think Staff might have missed—
there is actually—on Slide 15 you said there's not really an advantage to these new things that are like coordinated area plans. There's money, so
there is an advantage. If a city—I'm not sure that Palo Alto will want to—
does want to use the new pseudo-specific plan process suggested and
allowed by SB 540, there is some money available to help pay for those
studies. I think that's the advantage. That's why we went up to advocate
for that. Around the same time, we were also going through the Peninsula
Division of the League of Cities to our local legislators and saying, "We're not
fans of SB 35." Again, this went a little too far as much as I'm an advocate
for housing. I appreciate the patience of my colleagues that I'm just venting
right now. I just had to say that. I know that they made some
amendments and toned it down. I still think it removes too much local
control. For tonight, are we really making motions or are we just treating it
like the last item?
Mayor Scharff: I thought we're treating it as a Study Session. It is done for
action. People wouldn't be out of order, but I would encourage them not to.
We really need to understand this and give it some deep thought.
Council Member Wolbach: I agree. I'm not going to make a motion. I will
point out a couple of other things. At this point, just recommendations to
Staff to encourage what I saw in the Staff Report and the presentation tonight. A Palmer fix ordinance change to take advantage of AB 1505 is
something I'd like to see come back to Council. It looks like Staff is already
intending to that. I would encourage that. What's discussed on Slide 16
about revising intake procedures and possibly codifying that is something I
would encourage. Whether codification is necessary, I'll leave that up to Planning and City Attorney Staff to determine. Getting ready for a potential
inflow where you're going to have a very narrow window to do a very careful
analysis, I fully appreciate that that is going to put a lot of burden on
Planning Staff. Best of luck. Let us know what we can do to support the
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Planning Department as you revise your procedures. However you need to
have the resources to handle that, let us know. What we don't want to do is
have projects come in, and we're not able to do the analysis, and then State
law prevents us from later pointing a problem with the application. On
Packet Page 537, I do think Staff is right. We should start thinking about—
I'm not sure how soon we need to start this—when our next Housing
Element is put together. The recommendations contemplated by Staff on
Packet Page 537 are pretty good. In order to make sure we have something
that's more defensible, our next Housing Element should probably have
fewer programs, be clearer, have a realistic implementation schedule. Those
are good points recommended by Staff. Those are things we should think
about carefully as we initiate our next Housing Element cycle. Also, the
suggestion that defer elimination of sites on San Antonio is probably smart
just to cover our rears. I don't think we're going to do that with the sites we've already approved to transition to hotels. For the others, Staff is right
to have looked very carefully and to continue to look carefully at pitfalls we
might step into and try and help us avoid those. I just want to say I really
appreciate Planning Staff and City Attorney Staff working very quickly
together to bring this to us. Thank you for keeping us apprised of this.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: I actually have a bunch of questions just to help
understand it better. Can you explain the no net loss provisions in a lot of
these housing bills? Is that a loss against our Housing Element?
Ms. Gitelman: I'm going to need help on this. My understanding is that's in
the bill that doesn't apply to Charter Cities. If it did, we would be in a tough
spot. As housing sites get developed for other things like hotels or as
housing sites that we counted as affordable sites in our Housing Element get
developed for market rate projects, then we have a deficit, and we have to
show HCD that we have sufficient sites for that deficit. It puts local agencies
in this position of constantly having to add sites to their Housing Element or
having to have a Housing Element that has four times more sites than you
need for your RHNA.
Council Member DuBois: The no net loss doesn't apply to destruction of existing affordable housing. If something is torn down, is that included
under that?
Ms. Lee: That's correct. The no net loss provision doesn't apply to Charter
Cities currently. I believe the bill may at one point have included Charter
Cities, but ultimately Charter Cities were not included. For general law cities and for those Charter Cities that adopt the State Planning and Zoning Law
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wholesale, the provision requires if the city approves a project at a lower
density for the income level as compared to the Housing Element, the city
has to identify other sites that will make up for that loss of residential
density at that income level. If the city is unable to do that through its
Housing Element, then the city must find other sites and rezone a site within
180 days.
Ms. Gitelman: The only thing I'd add to that in terms of relevance to Palo
Alto is where it will come into effect is AB 72, that bill that allows HCD to
review an agency's implementation of their Housing Element. If we're not
doing a good enough job, if we're losing a lot of affordable housing or not
approving more housing projects to meet our RHNA, HCD could examine our
Housing Element mid-cycle.
Council Member DuBois: That could include existing affordable housing
that's not part of the current Housing Element. If we lost that, would HCD …
Ms. Gitelman: I think they'd be looking at the Housing Element as a whole.
I'm sure we have policies in our Housing Element that say we're going to
preserve existing housing. They could find us out of compliance.
Council Member DuBois: In all these bills, what sources of funding are there
that Palo Alto could use? You called out the one, but are there other sources
of funds?
Ms. Gitelman: There were two bills that were specifically about housing.
One is going to put an item on the statewide ballot in November of next
year. That funding isn't available unless the voters say yes. The other is a
transfer tax that's available immediately. That's the money we can ask for
our share of in the first year after January 1. As Council Member Wolbach
indicated, there are two bills that create the ability for local agencies to
create these districts. There's some planning money from HCD to do those
districts. It comes with strings, though. You're basically signing onto HCD
oversight of your local planning effort; that was my interpretation.
Council Member DuBois: I had a question. I think one of those was the
workforce housing opportunity zone. What is that? What are the strings,
the pros and cons of that one? Have we looked into these?
Ms. Gitelman: We looked at them very briefly and determined that they weren't as beneficial as what's in the current State law about specific plans.
SB 540 would allow agencies to get funding for a specific plan—this new
workforce housing opportunity zone.
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Council Member DuBois: I didn't really understand what that—is that
housing specifically for people that work in your city?
Ms. Gitelman: I think that's just the name of the district they're letting you
apply for.
Council Member DuBois: It doesn't really live up to its name.
Ms. Gitelman: You could add provisions to stimulate the kind of housing in
that district that would appeal to the workforce. It was more to address
procedural matter. If you establish this district, then any subsequent project
that came forward within the district could be approved within 60 days.
Council Member DuBois: It would be a district of affordable housing with the
idea that workers could live there. Is that essentially what it's doing?
Ms. Gitelman: I'd have to look at the bill more carefully. I'm not sure it was
affordable or even necessarily mandates that it's workforce.
Council Member DuBois: It had percentages of income levels, I think, required in the plan zone.
Ms. Gitelman: One of the down sides of that bill, as I understand it, you
have to go through all the hassle of putting it in place, and then it's really
only good for 5 years. Whereas, a coordinated area plan can live on for a
long time.
Council Member DuBois: I did see one funding for veterans. Does that
apply to us?
Ms. Gitelman: I will have to research that. I don't know. Do you have a bill
number?
Council Member DuBois: I can look it up. You said open space is excluded.
I assume our open space residential zones—are they excluded from these
bills?
Ms. Gitelman: They would be excluded from SB 35.
Council Member DuBois: What about the others?
Ms. Gitelman: The Housing Accountability Act, I think, is really only
multifamily, so it's not going to be relevant there either. The veterans
housing is in that bill that requires a vote of the people. It's a bond act.
Council Member DuBois: It's coming up.
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Ms. Gitelman: It'll be on the November ballot.
Council Member DuBois: The affordability for rental, can you explain a little
bit more how that would work?
Ms. Gitelman: The Palmer fix?
Council Member DuBois: Yep.
Ms. Gitelman: We have an ordinance that requires 15 percent of all
ownership projects to be affordable. We could adopt an ordinance saying
that rule applies to rental projects as well. The new State law requires that
we offer the owners an alternative, like paying a fee or something, so they
don't have provide the units onsite. We could certainly bring the Council an
ordinance to reinstitute that requirement. Palo Alto originally had that
requirement, but after the court decision we weren't able to enforce it.
Council Member DuBois: That stays with the rental property forever?
Ms. Gitelman: That's right.
Mayor Scharff: (Inaudible) clarification on that. My understanding is what
you just said is different than what I think you mean. I thought we did have
an ordinance on the books; we just weren't enforcing it because the Palmer
decision didn't allow us to enforce. Now that we can enforce it, do we
actually need a new ordinance or do we have something on the books? I
thought we actually had something on the books.
Ms. Gitelman: Alas, we updated our housing impact fee and Inclusionary
Ordinance and removed that provision because it was in conflict with State
law. Now, we have to go back and put it back in.
Council Member DuBois: You showed that one map. In the State law, is
there a definition of public transit within half a mile in terms of headways?
Ms. Gitelman: I looked for one today. I didn't see one. I think it's subject
to interpretation.
Council Member DuBois: Is that something we can define as a City?
Ms. Gitelman: We struggled with that with the ADU Ordinance, and the
Planning Commission recommended something that we brought to the
Council. The Council went in a different direction. I think we can do some
amount of interpretation of that. Do you agree, Sandy?
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Ms. Lee: I think it says a public transit line. Many cities have interpreted
that to mean just a public transit stop as opposed to specifying headways.
We would have to look at whether or not that's a reasonable interpretation.
Potentially it could be.
Council Member DuBois: I think we should look at it again. We may want—
I think we used a 30-minute headway or a 1-hour headway for ADUs. We
should really understand the impacts of all these laws. We may have some
unintended consequences if we use that one assumption for everything. We
had this discussion—I don't know if we ever resolved—about is the half mile
walking distance because we used as the crow flies regardless if there are
train tracks or other things you have to walk around. A lot of transit really
doesn't reach as much as we showed. You would have to walk quite a ways
to get to the actual bus stop. Some quick comments. The State laws are
directing us to get serious about affordable housing. I'd certainly like to see us maintain local control, but the focus on affordability is good. We as a
Council have been a little wishy-washy about our terms and throwing around
affordable. The State is helping us focus there. These bills are defined for
various levels of income. We have homeless issues, elderly housing issues,
special needs. These laws will help us meet those needs. I would like to see
us, when we come back with this Work Plan, have a structured discussion
broken into sections. I would like to see us talk about funding and what the
City and the City's role can do, whether that's impact fees, potentially
buying land, maintaining existing units; what we can do with our land
authority. We've talked about a new kind of mixed use, a retail-residential
zone. I bring up many times short-term rental impacts and what that does
to our zoning. I am interested in AB 1505, the inclusionary rental law. I
agree with Cory's comments on that. I'd really like to see us set an
affordable housing goal. I've been reading a lot lately. Boulder did
something very interesting. They set a 10-percent goal for all their housing
units to be affordable. They started off at about 2 percent; they're up to
over 7 percent now. It's going to take that kind of focus in our area if we're
really serious about affordable housing. In terms of middle income, we
should think about how do we protect existing middle-income housing, whether it's rented or owned. We've taken a good stab—we have a pretty
diverse housing stock. The ADU Ordinance helped on that one. We talked
about Stanford tonight. Stanford actually has the biggest impact on our
housing, I think. Strengthening our partnership with Stanford—the Mayor
talked about not wanting to decrease their commercial, but the other way I interpreted that letter was we want them to increase their housing. That's
totally fair. It's a huge amount of lab space, and it's probably one of the
biggest impacts on our affordability. In terms of affordable housing, we
need to be thinking about people aging in place and what we're doing for
seniors. When I looked at the Staff recommendations, I'm going to suggest
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we should do a motion. Staff wants to request funding from HCD. They
want to start reviewing internal procedures. I would move the Staff motion.
I would actually like to amend Number 3. It's on the presentation, Page 17.
I hope my Colleagues will support me. I'm moving the Staff Motion with an
extension to the third item, which is "C" on the screen, which is in addition
to the current items in the draft Housing Plan, I would like Staff to think
about coming back with an affordable housing goal as a percentage of our
housing units and some ideas on how we could fund that and what kind of
policies it would take. I'm not eliminating anything that was in the
Colleagues' Memo. We should get fairly focused. A lot of the State laws are
directed in this area. That's my motion.
Mayor Scharff: (Inaudible) come back to your Motion. I wanted to speak
first a little bit and give Council …
Council Member DuBois: There's a second.
Council Member Holman: I'll second.
MOTION: Council Member DuBois moved, seconded by Council Member
Holman to:
A. Direct Staff to review and revise internal procedures to address
application intake and processing; and
B. Direct Staff to request funding from the California Department of
Housing and Community Development (HCD) for planning and code
revisions immediately after January 1, 2018; and
C. Council receipt of draft Housing Work Plan (requested November 6)
and consideration/direction regarding potential code changes in that
context (tentatively scheduled for January 29, 2018); and
In addition to current items in draft Housing Work Plan, have Staff also
propose an affordable housing goal to serve very low-, low-, and
moderate-income households, including people with disabilities, special
needs, and the homeless; and
i. Establish a specific target percentage of permanently
affordable units; and
ii. Establish clear funding priorities to accomplish the goal; and
iii. Identify or create new policies or funding resources to accelerate progress; and
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D. Direct Staff to prepare a draft Ordinance for review by the Planning
and Transportation Commission and consideration by the City Council
thereafter.
Mayor Scharff: Want to speak to your Motion?
Council Member DuBois: I don't need to speak very long. Primarily I'm
moving the Staff Motion. What I'm suggesting is an addition to this draft
Housing Plan, which we'll have a chance to review and comment on when it
comes back.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: I like the Motion because it sets some definitive
steps forward for us to take to try to accomplish some things, if you will, at
our terms, to try to take advantage of some things that we do have within
our own purview. I like the motion, supporting it.
Mayor Scharff: Vice Mayor Kniss, you had your light on.
Vice Mayor Kniss: I'm not going to support the Motion for a very different
reason. I feel like I'm déjà vu'ing it tonight. We've talked about affordable
housing here for years now. We have—except for Buena Vista where we
used the maximum of money that we had at that point. We haven't done an
affordable housing project, I'm thinking, since 2011. Is that the last time
this group voted on an affordable housing? As you all recall …
Council Member DuBois: We voted on several maintaining existing
affordable housing, renewing things.
Vice Mayor Kniss: We haven't created any new affordable housing. As I
recall, not to get too direct, very recently we turned down a 60-unit
affordable housing project. Whenever we bring up affordable housing, we
seem to run into this issue of it isn't in the right place. It's not at the right
spot in town. It's not on the right street. It's not something. It's an area
where I'm tending to get exercised about it because we have talked about it
for so long. Are we suddenly saying, because the State has put forth a
bunch of new bills, we'll now do affordable housing? We could be using
some of the money that Stanford has had, which didn't get all used on
Buena Vista by the way. I'm not sure …
Council Member DuBois: I'm confused. I keep proposing (crosstalk).
Mayor Scharff: Tom, she has the floor. She has the floor.
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Council Member DuBois: You're saying you're not going to vote for it
because it's …
Mayor Scharff: Tom, she has the floor.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Rather than going on any further, I've made my point.
Until we really vote for something that is new affordable housing units, I'm
not going to think we're very serious as a Council in providing affordable
housing.
Mayor Scharff: I wanted to speak a little bit to this, not to the whole thing.
Actually these bills are a lot to take in. It's a little—I'm not so sure there's
much harm in this motion in some ways. On the other hand, these bills give
me pause in the larger context. In Palo Alto, we really like to think we can
thread the needle. We can have it exactly this way and not that way and be
really strategic about it. These bills change some of that. It may change
the way we think about things. I, for one, want to be thoughtful about this. We've done a Colleagues' Memo on housing that comes back. I want to
think about it in terms of what we're trying to achieve. Housing is a really
important goal. It is actually not the only goal we have. What I mean by
that is I don't think I'd want the Stanford Shopping Center to convert to
housing and lose the ground-floor retail. I remember when we almost put in
the Comp Plan that Town and Country could have housing. I want to make
sure when we look at these bills that we're not setting it up by right that you
could demolish Town and Country tomorrow, which we didn't put it in and do
it or that you could suddenly put anywhere in the Research Park housing.
Some of those places in the Research Park away from transit, away from El
Camino, may not be appropriate, but I'd have to think about it. There's a lot
in this that we're not—we could basically—when we talk about can we
define, no disrespect meant. Staff says it's unclear. To me that means the
court's going to decide. If the court's going to decide, it seems pretty
obvious. If I'm a judge and it says near transit and there's a Marguerite
shuttle that runs right there or there's a Palo Alto shuttle that runs along the
route and the stops are within a half mile, that's within transit. I don't think
the courts are going to thread that and say, "It's not Caltrain; it's a bus stop
or its a Marguerite shuttle, not the AC Transit." I think they're going to say—if I remember looking at that, that's most of Palo Alto. What this bills
says is if we don't meet our RHNA numbers, SB 35 kicks in. You can
basically—I recognize that Staff said this is for when you're not asking for a
design exception. I'm laughing about that a little bit. It means if you
have—what do we call them? If we have the State density bonus concessions, a design exception falls to that really quickly. I don't think
that's going to be the holdup on doing this by right. It seems to me that
under these bills—just a first take—that it's going to allow people to build
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housing where we've zoned for housing without parking basically pretty
easily. That's something we need to think about as we zone for housing.
What it's really going to bring us to and what we're going to be really
thoughtful about is where we zone for what we want. A lot of these housing
overlays that we talk about doing, we're going to have to think about do
want housing in that spot or do we not want housing in that spot. We're
going to have to make some real choices. I remember when we did the
Housing Element last time, it was really hard for people to make those
choices, to add new housing sites. We're going to be doing that. We're
going to look and see in a serious conversation about where we want new
housing sites. I've also got to say I'm fascinated by our Ventura plan that
we're going to do. I'm thinking to myself Sobrato has by right X number of
units that he can build with density bonuses and all of that. That's a lot of
units. That's a Housing Element site and all of that. That's going to make it really interesting to see how we do a planning process where the developer
already has this right more housing than the community is thinking about on
that site, especially since it's not that big of land value. This changes a lot.
It changes how we think about housing at the Stanford Research Park, how
we think about housing at the shopping center, how we think about housing
Downtown. One of the more interesting things is people want to build
something that is maybe a 30-percent parking reduction. We get a whole
bunch of people and we get a whole bunch of people on this Council saying
we need to provide parking. As far as I can tell, this bill says you don't have
to provide parking anymore for housing. Build as much as you want. It
becomes a market stuff about how much housing. Frankly, if you can get
the RPP permits, why would you build the housing? Just get the RPP
permits, park in the neighborhoods. If you can cut the price of your $60,000
a unit per parking space—that's $120,000 right there—you're going to take
that profit. You're not going to build the parking; you might build some. All
of those issues are going to be something that we as a community have to
think about. Housing growth could be substantial or we could end up with a
lot of lawsuits. We don't really know what this is going to bring. I just think
we need to be thoughtful and not—I'm not being oppositional to it. I'm just saying we need to be thoughtful about what we want to achieve. I don't
think it's that easy. I don't think we're used to thinking this way. We're
used to thinking that we can turn any project down we want. Here's another
thing. How are we going to handle ARB review on this? As far as I can tell,
the ARB doesn't approve anything until they've had at least three looks at it, if not more than that. We're going to do that within the streamlined period
of 90 days?
Ms. Gitelman: It's an even bigger question than procedurally what does the
ARB do. Right now, the ARB findings are all subjective. They're not
objective. There's really no place in the SB 35 process for this.
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Mayor Scharff: Part of our Code cleanup, we can do away with the ARB for
multifamily housing projects.
Ms. Gitelman: For those projects that meet the requirements in this bill.
Mayor Scharff: I'm not advocating that. Please don't think I am. I'm just
saying that we're being—with all due respect to Tom's motion, which has—
it's Staff's stuff. There's a whole bunch of ramifications to this. When we
talk about growth and no growth and being a pro-growth faction and a non-
growth faction, all I have to say is "Seriously?" on this issue. If you're
talking about changes to the community, this has the potential to do it. It
may do it in a real positive way. We may get tons and tons of housing.
Downtown may have lots and lots of housing. California Avenue may have
housing. El Camino may have a wall of housing. I don't know what this
brings. I'm just saying that when you talk about changing the character of
your community and having rapid change, this is the kind of thing that can actually achieve that in a way that may be very different than people
imagined what this look like. That's the kind of stuff we should be thinking
about, what do we want our community to look like. I'm thinking how many
fights we had on the Comp Plan when people stood in the audience and said
they want 10,000 housing units. Cory basically agreed to 3,500 reluctantly,
thinking we should have more housing. Other people thought we should
have less than that. I'm not so sure this bill doesn't make a lot of that moot
if we don't handle it correctly and we don't think about the ramifications of
all of this. I'm totally supportive of affordable housing. I think those are
good things, but there's a larger issue here about what kind of community
we want, what do we want it to look at [sic], how does this affect what
we've been talking about in the (inaudible), how does this affect what we've
been talking about in parking and traffic and all the things. We just spent
hours talking about how Stanford is going to create all these impacts we
have. The impacts of this could be far more than that. We have to be
thoughtful about it and start to think about what this looks like in the
community. I don't know what those impacts are. I do think we have to
have the discussion, and we have to be thoughtful about it. That's really
what I wanted to say. What do I think of the Motion? It's too soon. I'm not sure there's much harm in it. I wanted to Staff to think about what we said
tonight and come back with some concrete stuff. A lot of the stuff up there,
Staff's doing anyway. Staff will be reviewing and reviewing internal
procedures. I don't view that as a Motion that we need. Staff's going to be
out looking for HCD for funding for planning and Code revisions. I know they're going to be out doing that. Establishing a civic target percentage for
permanently affordable housing units sounds right. I don't know what the
Staff impact is, what the amount of work is. I don't know if that's even
something that—what happens if people want to produce more affordable
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housing than our target? Also, I don't think we have clear what—I think our
RHNA numbers are those targets on affordable housing. I think we have
those. That's what we're supposed to do. I guess I'm going to oppose the
motion because I'm not sure it's well thought out in terms of the RHNA
numbers, which basically are our target. They are very clear about the
different levels of affordability. If you wanted to come back and say—I'd
rather Staff come back and say one of the things we need to think about is
how we meet our RHNA number, so we're not part of SB 35. There's two
things on it, how do we meet those tiers and do we get some credit, which
takes on more importance in my mind for the Stanford housing that they
build that we get no credit for and we do have to think about how we get
some credit for that and how we make that happen. I actually am going to
oppose the Motion. Council Member Wolbach.
AMENDMENT: Council Member Wolbach moved, seconded by Mayor Scharff to remove Part C, “Council receipt of draft Housing Work Plan
(requested November 6) and consideration/direction regarding potential
code changes….” of the Motion.
Council Member Wolbach: A couple of things. Going back to the question—
there was an exchange between Council Member DuBois and Staff on the
workforce zones. I was mentioning this earlier during my comments. Just
to add a little more color to that. Basically, that's SB 540. SB 540 was
sponsored by the League of California Cities. Our number one goal with the
League of California Cities is to protect local control. Our hope with SB 540
and the reason I drove up to Sacramento early one morning to testify on
behalf of it and why the League pushed so hard for it was that the
Legislature, the Governor go with that instead of SB 35. We thought SB 35
goes too far in stripping local control. I don't think anyone doubts that I'm a
pretty big advocate of more housing. The point of our recent Colleagues'
Memo is we should loosen our local restrictions, but we should be able to
make that choice locally. For a lot of the reasons the Mayor just identified,
SB 35 really does go way too far. Our hope was that SB 540 would be a
compromise, where cities have the opportunity with carrots, which is more
money, to do some planning up front, but they have some more local control. It would basically say the State gives you some money at the city
level. The city then does planning for an area. It's like putting a little
coordinate area plan together for an area where you'd say we're okay with
more housing be done here for the next 5 years. You do CEQA for that
whole area. When housing proposals in the following 5 years come forward, you wouldn't have to do CEQA again. You do the CEQA upfront. You still
have the environmental protection, but then the individual projects don't
have to go through the CEQA process. It makes it easier for the housing to
get built. It makes it easier for the City to only have to do the CEQA stuff
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once, and you get the funding from the State. I just wanted to provide that
about SB 540 and why I thought it was a really good idea. Even though I'm
not sure that Palo Alto will use it, it's something we should be open to
looking at. It might be useful. There might be an area where we're thinking
about doing a coordinated area plan; maybe we do a workforce housing
zone in the future. The point is it's on the table. It's now an option. It's up
to us whether we ever use it. Going to this motion. There are a couple of
questions I have about the motion. I don't think we can do Item C tonight.
Item C is in Staff's next steps. The idea was that in the new year, late
January or now maybe early February, that's when Council will receive the
draft Housing Work Plan. I don't think that was something that should go
into a motion. I thought it was just part of Staff's presentation saying—I'm
getting nods from Staff—that they're letting us know that's going to happen
in a couple of months. I don't think we can receive it because they haven't done it yet. "C" should come out. The bullet points that are the sub-bullet
points under "C," I'm more sympathetic to this motion than the Mayor was.
He's right that we do this. There's this claim I've heard a few times that we
aren't clear about what affordability really means, but we are. Affordable
housing is identified as certain percentages of average median income.
That's what it means. That's identified in our Housing Element very clearly.
We work with HCD on it and at ABAG. I don't think there's a lack of clarity.
I do think the subpoints are, especially subpoint 1, not necessary because
we do that. As far as "2" and "3," I'm not opposed to them, but I don't see
why they're directly relevant to this agenda item. I'd propose it as a friendly
amendment, remove Item C. Again, half of it we can't do, and half of it is
redundant of things we already do. If that comes out, I would support the
rest of the motion and maybe make a couple of other additions. I'll just
leave that one amendment for now and propose it as friendly to remove
Section C.
Council Member DuBois: I appreciate those comments. First of all, I pretty
much am not in disagreement with what the Mayor was saying or what
Council Member Wolbach's saying. The impacts of these State laws need to
be understood. I am just using Staff's recommendations for next steps in the presentation. That's where this language came from. Staff saying
they're going to review and revise our internal procedures, they're going to
move forward to request the funding, and they are working on this draft
Housing Work Plan, none of that is new. That's not my proposal. At the
heart of my motion—I don't want to delete it—is that as part of that Work Plan we have a discussion about a target for permanent affordable housing
units. Our RHNA numbers are zoning for the next—I forget; is it 8 years—
for new units. What we don't do as a City is think about where do we need
to end up in terms of our housing stock. It seemed like the Work Plan is the
perfect plan. It's asking Staff to propose that and have it as part of the
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discussion. It's going to come back to us in January or February. "D" here,
the draft ordinance, again was just following Staff's language. I don't
disagree with what you said, Greg, but you were talking to these State laws
in general, not necessarily this motion. The thing is how do we analyze
those laws in the way you were discussing. That's what I was trying to get
to.
Mayor Scharff: I actually agree with Cory just said.
Council Member Wolbach: I have a friendly Amendment. Would you accept
it as friendly?
Council Member DuBois: Again, I would take out maybe the first sentence
of "C," that piece.
Council Member Wolbach: We can go through these one at a time. Let's try
that. Is that friendly to remove just that section that's highlighted? Would
that be okay with the seconder too?
Council Member DuBois: That was just Staff's next steps. It doesn't need to
be in the Motion.
Council Member Wolbach: It's going to happen anyway.
Mr. Keene: We're going to give it to you. You may not receive it.
Council Member Wolbach: We can't receive it tonight. We literally can't do
that.
Council Member DuBois: Karen, is that all right to just remove that?
Council Member Holman: There's a phrase for this. I think it's much ado
about nothing. This is what the Staff has said are the next steps. Why is
there so much consternation about making this motion that includes what
the Staff says is going to be the next steps? I just don't understand that.
Council Member Wolbach: This doesn't say we're going to do it. It says we
do it. There are times we have a motion which says receive a report
because we're getting that report that night. We can't receive the draft
Housing Work Plan because there is no draft Housing Work Plan tonight.
Mr. Keene: The Council will receive the Work Plan.
Council Member Wolbach: Sure, you could have the word "will." I don't
want us to say we're doing something that we literally cannot do tonight.
It's a bit redundant, but you could also add the word "will" or "will prepare
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to." I'm not sure how it's useful to have that section in there. That's why I
suggested just …
Mayor Scharff: I was the second to your motion. I seconded your
amendment.
Council Member Wolbach: I'm okay with also breaking this into smaller
motions. Let's remove the—I'll change the friendly amendment to just
remove that first section that's highlighted. Are you okay with that?
Council Member DuBois: I'm okay with that
Mayor Scharff: Is Karen okay with that or not?
Council Member Holman: Much ado about nothing. To move us on, okay.
AMENDMENT RESTATED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE MAKER AND SECONDER to remove from
the Motion Part C, “Council receipt of draft Housing Work Plan (requested
November 6) and consideration/direction regarding potential code changes in that context (tentatively scheduled for January 29, 2018).”
Council Member Wolbach: That's out. I just want to have—just like we
were talking about cleaning up the letter earlier, I want to clean up this
motion. Thank you for that. We can take them one at a time. "1," "2," and
"3" should become "D, "E," and "F." We can just talk about them
independently. Let's make them severable because some might be more
necessary than others.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Are we going to vote on each one separately?
Council Member Wolbach: Maybe.
Mr. Keene: Could I just clarify? Everything in this Motion is a prelude to us
coming back anyway, which includes a lot more stuff than is in this Motion.
Council Member DuBois: It does include a lot more stuff.
Council Member Wolbach: Let me just be clear that we …
Mr. Keene: In one sense, everything is much ado about nothing.
Council Member Wolbach: Honestly, I do think the Motion is not absolutely
imperative because most of this will happen anyway. In the interest of
having us be on the same page, having some consensus on the Council on
this, and showing the community and the Staff that we're behind this and
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showing Staff that we support the efforts that they've suggested, I'm fine
with having some stuff in here. Basically, I'm looking for a way to support
the Motion. I don't understand "C" as it's currently phrased. Can you
explain what it means?
Council Member DuBois: "D," "E," and "F" were subpoints of "C." That's
what they were referring to. In addition to the current items in the draft
Housing Work Plan, which were the items in the Colleagues' Memo, have
Staff also propose an affordable housing goal. The main point of this is to
have a specific target.
Council Member Wolbach: That's already in our Housing Element.
Council Member DuBois: No, that's just our RHNA numbers for the next 8
years.
Council Member Wolbach: I'm not talking about subpoint 1 but the stuff
before that, having an affordable housing goal. We have affordable housing goals; they're our RHNA numbers.
Council Member DuBois: The point of "I" is the description of that goal.
Council Member Wolbach: Right. You could just go with "I" and skip over
the part before that. You don't need the part before that.
Council Member DuBois: If you want to delete the "very low, low, and
moderate income including disability, special needs, and homeless," you
could. I just thought it gave it color.
Council Member Wolbach: I don't think we need that in there. We have
this. Can we remove that section? Here's my friendly amendment. In
addition to the current items in the Housing Work Plan, have Staff also—
after the word "also," get rid of the rest of that section until you get to "I."
It would be "have Staff also" and (crosstalk).
Council Member DuBois: That was the intent of the original Motion.
Council Member Wolbach: It reads better. It makes sense. I can read it;
it's more logical. Are you okay with that as friendly?
Council Member DuBois: I don't think you're changing the intent.
Council Member Wolbach: I'm not trying to change the intent. I'm trying to
make the wording better so we can all support it. Is that okay with the
maker and seconder?
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Council Member DuBois: Yep.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to remove from the Motion Part C, “propose an
affordable housing goal to serve very low-, low-, and moderate-income
households, including people with disabilities, special needs, and the
homeless.”
Council Member Wolbach: The next step is—because it's part of the Work
Plan, rather than having Staff establish these things and put them into an
ordinance, Staff should bring forward recommendations to do these things or
options to do these things.
Mr. Keene: Can I … Maybe I'm a little off base. Just reality check. It
seems to me when we come back with the Work Plan, we're not being
limited with what we're going to bring back in the Work Plan. We're going to
have things from the Colleagues' Memo if this passes or it doesn't pass. We're going to bring back some things specifically related to this. If it
doesn't pass, you're going to bring them up at that meeting again anyway.
There are going to be a whole bunch of other issues that we're going to want
to deal with. Do we build more housing that reduces the traffic impacts in
our town? Are we going to look at things other than just the affordable
housing issue? Do we want to let some folks who wouldn't go in affordable
housing be able to age in place by selling the property and moving? There's
a whole host of things you guys are going to want to talk about. I'm not
sure what you're trying to accomplish tonight other than maybe giving us a
few extra little directives, knowing that there will be a lot more conversation
the next time we come back. I'm just arguing as to why it has to get that
perfected right now.
Council Member DuBois: That was the intent. I didn't think it was going to
be controversial. "D" could be changed to just say "Staff will bring the draft
Housing Work Plan."
Council Member Wolbach: That's already in "C."
Council Member DuBois: We deleted the part that said they're going to
bring it back.
Council Member Wolbach: My next recommended friendly Amendment would be to eliminate "D" because it's not clear what that Ordinance would
be. We're already working on all these things. I'd recommend eliminating
"D."
Council Member DuBois: That's fine too.
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Council Member Holman: We're telling Staff not to do what they're saying
their next steps are?
Council Member DuBois: They're going to bring it to us first for discussion
before the ordinance happens. I think it's the same intent.
Council Member Holman: I'm okay with that. It's just we're spending a lot
of time on something that should have been pretty simple and
straightforward.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to remove Part D of the Motion.
Mayor Scharff: We didn't need the Motion to start with.
Council Member Holman: Never mind.
Council Member Wolbach: Again, what I'm trying to get us to is a Motion
where we find more consensus on the Council. I'm hoping even some of
those who have expressed dissatisfaction with this motion may, as it gets amended, maybe we could pick up more votes. The last thing is to—my last
friendly amendment it to change the words "have Staff also explore
establishing and identifying or creating." This would be adding onto—we had
a lot of things in that Colleagues' Memo. This would be what Staff's looking
at with their Work Plan. This would be adding a couple more things. That's
the language we tried to use before.
Council Member DuBois: I'm fine with these changes. I don't think you're
changing the intent.
Council Member Wolbach: Not my intention to change the intent. I support
the intent. Is that okay with Karen? With those changes, I'm okay with this
motion. I don't think it's absolutely imperative, but I can get behind this
intention.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion, “explore” after “direct
Staff”, replace in the Motion Part C.i., “establish” with “establishing”, replace
in the Motion Part C.ii., “establish” with “establishing”, replace in the Motion
Part C.iii., “identify” with “identifying.”
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Filseth.
Council Member Filseth: This is a good discussion. It's much ado about something. The Motion is kind of interesting because it's actually somewhat
disjoint. There's really two things going on in here. As the Mayor said, I'm
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not even sure we need a Motion for all this. You guys are going to do it
anyway. First, the Sacramento housing package. The first "A" and "B" are
about the Sacramento housing package. From a really broad level, I don't
see that issue as entirely about housing. I see it as about who decides how
we manage our City's resources. Do a majority of Palo Alto voters do that or
do some guys in Sacramento do that? Even if you agree with the policies
that they're trying to get in Sacramento, this is legislative overreach on a
huge scale. We're having a discussion about density bonuses. We had
density bonuses. Now, we've got all this stuff on top of it. I don't think SB
35 is the worst one. There's some other stuff in there about paying each
other's legal fees if you lose the suit that's going to deter people from doing
anything. I don't think people in Sacramento ought to be figuring out do we
need townhouses in the Research Park and condos in Town and Country
Village or vice versa. That ought to be done in Palo Alto. I see what we need to do. We're all trying to figure out what this means. Like the Mayor
said, we don't know. I think that's what Staff's trying to do, figure out what
it means and also figure out how do we return some measure of control over
to a majority of Palo Alto voters for this kind of stuff as opposed to a stack of
legislation. We say we don't understand it. I don't think anybody in
Sacramento understands what this is going to do to communities either, and
they're making this policy. If we're doing it ourselves and we do something
wrong this year, we can go that doesn't look like it's going in the right
direction. We can fix it. With Sacramento doing it, we can't do that. The
first half of this is how do we figure how to get back in control of our destiny,
which brings me to the second one. It's clear, though, that one of the
impacts of the Sacramento housing package is we are going to need to
grapple with the issue of affordable housing. The point about the RHNA
numbers, to some extent that trust. I think we ought to get out in front of
it. I like the idea of really taking a look at what affordable housing means in
Palo Alto. That's not necessarily just the traditional categories of affordable
housing. If you look at this chart, you've got major classes of people that
can't afford to live in Palo Alto, that aren't traditional, low-income people.
We need to recognize that. It's not a problem they have in Sacramento, but it is one we have in Palo Alto. I like the idea of getting out in front of this
and really grappling with what affordable housing means in Palo Alto. That's
what I saw the bullet C pointing us toward doing. On that, though, there's
so much discussion to be had around bullet 1, figuring out what we mean by
permanently affordable units and what a target percentage would be. Bullets 2 and 3 are way premature. We could have a long discussion just
about the first part. I'm not sure it makes sense to have those at this point.
It's going to be a longer process than that.
Mayor Scharff: You want to remove them?
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Council Member Filseth: I would probably vote for this thing if those two
went away.
Mayor Scharff: Make a Motion.
Council Member Filseth: I'll make a friendly Amendment we get rid of both
Number ii and Number iii.
Council Member DuBois: What are your concerns again?
Council Member Filseth: It's premature. We haven't even figured out what
Number i means. Now we're trying to figure out how to fund it and pass
ordinances for it. There's a longer discussion about it. To multiple people's
point, I think we're going to do this anyway whether there's a motion or not.
Two and three are premature.
Mayor Scharff: Do you accept his Amendment?
Council Member DuBois: I guess I'll accept it if the seconder accepts it.
Council Member Holman: I hate to be a contrarian on this, but I don't accept it. Here's why.
Mayor Scharff: You don't need to say why. I'll second it.
AMENDMENT: Council Member Filseth moved, seconded by Mayor Scharff
to remove Parts C.ii. and C.iii. from the Motion.
Mayor Scharff: You want to speak to you … I agree. If we do Number 1,
Number 1 is a larger discussion. "Two" and "3" are premature. You're
absolutely right about that. It'll slow the process down as we go through
this. You said something else, and I'll come back and make a motion on
that. There are classes of people that are not included in our RHNA
numbers. If we're going to talk about affordable housing—we've talked a lot
on this Council about how do we provide housing for teachers and other of
those—I don't know if well them middle income or what that is. There's that
group.
Council Member Filseth: It's the gap.
Mayor Scharff: It's the gap. After we do this, I'll come back and talk about
that, or you can. Anyone want to speak to the Amendment?
Vice Mayor Kniss: I'll speak to the Amendment. I would support this. It's
almost getting to a point where I can support the Motion. Establishing a
specific target percentage of permanently affordable units and asking Staff
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to go off and do that is a fool's errand, to be honest. Nothing against Staff.
How you do that in a way that nine of us can accept I don't know.
Establishing clear funding priorities to accomplish this goal? Are we going to
look at the General Plan? What are we going to look at? I don't think either
of those are realistic. They may be at some point. There may be some city
that has actually established a permanently affordable number of units with
a specific target, but I don't know what that city is. Can you name one?
Mr. Keene: All these things have layers of complications to them.
Vice Mayor Kniss: Absolutely. If we could take those two off, identifying
and creating new policies or funding resources can't be harmful. I'm not
quite sure where we're going to find those.
Mayor Scharff: Cory.
Council Member Wolbach: I just want to make sure. Did the Staff capture
the Motion as Council Member Filseth intended? I will support this Amendment because this is more in keeping with the rest of the Work Plan.
As far as I see it now, it's just adding one more thing to an already very long
Work Plan. I'm okay with that. I'll support the Amendment.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: I think other cities have done this. Boulder
specifically has done this. To me it's a flow; it's a process. We would agree
to a target as a group. It would be a tough discussion. We would figure out
how we actually make that happen, which was "2" and "3." That was the
intent. Do that later.
Mr. Keene: We are going to do it later. We're going to come back
February 5. You're not going to be done with this on February 5. These are
some of the biggest things you're going to have to deal with. For us to try
to start tying things up along the way—November 6, you gave us a whole
bunch of direction as to what to come back with. We haven't even spoken to
much of which is encapsulated in what you've been talking about right here.
You should cut bait right now and vote or get us some direction and let us
get back here on the 6th. The reason for this meeting was technically these
new laws go into effect on January 1. We thought it was clearly important
that there be a public review and discussion of those. I do think what Council Member Filseth said and the Mayor said also—in many ways the big
issue here is this. The world has changed. You need to talk about how
much you want to drive and steer where we're going to go versus have it be
done. That is way more than these things up here. Not to say that some of
these aren't a part of that. Settling on getting this one in or that is like what
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difference does it make because we should add 20 more or whatever. Again
as Staff, we don't have a position. You are in a sense wasting time right up
here right now, really. We're just going to be back there. We're not going
to resolve anything. We're not going to do anything different the next time
we come back from this Motion than we would on anything else. You have
the word "explore." We could start exploring and say we haven't gotten
very far.
Ms. Gitelman: Maybe I can add one thought. The reason we really raised
the Work Plan in this context is we thought, since we're doing the Work Plan
anyway, it was a context in which we could evaluate the objective standards
in the Code and the Comp Plan and the SOFA II plan and see if there are any
adjustments we should make because the State housing laws are taking
effect. It was important to say we're coming to you with a Housing Plan
because of the State housing bills. We're going to have to try and put that information and analysis into this. We'll do our best.
Mayor Scharff: We're responding with something totally irrelevant. It's
okay. It's what we do.
Mr. Keene: It's relevant. It's just in this moment it's out of context. It
needs to be in a fuller context for you to ultimately be able to make a read
decision other than just some direction to us tonight. That's all.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Filseth.
Council Member Filseth: If I go where I think the City Manager is going, he's
suggesting we vote no on the whole thing and let them do their job and then
deal with it when it comes back next year.
Mr. Keene: Yeah or you vote yes on the whole thing right now and we'll still
come—to be honest with you, it's six of one, a half a dozen of the other. I
can guarantee you on any of these we'll come back and saw we haven't
done more or we've done a bit of this and we have these other things that
you need to consider.
Council Member Filseth: You're saying whether it passes or fails, you'll do
the same thing.
Mr. Keene: Yeah. The thing that has me worried is we know that there's
this whole big discussion that we really have to have. All we were doing was transmitting this thing. We're having this big hard discussion. That sort of
says what's the real discussion going to be like.
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Mayor Scharff: Council Member Holman, if you want to speak. Let's vote on
the amendment. That fails on a 4-4 basis.
AMENDMENT FAILED: 4-4 DuBois, Holman, Kniss, Kou no, Fine absent
MOTION AS AMENDED RESTATED: Council Member DuBois moved,
seconded by Council Member Holman to:
A. Direct Staff to review and revise internal procedures to address
application intake and processing; and
B. Direct Staff to request funding from the California Department of
Housing and Community Development (HCD) for planning and code
revisions immediately after January 1, 2018; and
C. In addition to current items in draft Housing Work Plan, have Staff also
explore:
i. Establishing a specific target percentage of permanently
affordable units; and
ii. Establishing clear funding priorities to accomplish the goal;
and
iii. Identifying or create new policies or funding resources to
accelerate progress; and
Mayor Scharff: Let's vote on the main motion. That fails on a 4-4 motion.
We are done with this item. The next thing is …
MOTION AS AMENDED FAILED: 4-4 Filseth, Kniss, Scharff, Tanaka no,
Fine absent
Mr. Keene: We're really looking forward to when we bring it back.
Seriously.
Vice Mayor Kniss: I'm one of the ones that voted against this. I think
sometimes those need to be explained. We have sought affordable housing
since I was brought back to the Council in 2013. We have talked and talked
and talked about it. I'm not sure how we could have gotten to a point
tonight where it suddenly became a priority when we haven't been able to
vote for any for 5 going on 6 years.
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Inter-Governmental Legislative Affairs
14. Consideration of Authorizing the Mayor to Sign a Letter of Support for
the Dumbarton Rail Link Item on the SamTrans Board Agenda on
December 6, 2017.
Council Member Questions, Comments and Announcements
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Questions, Comments, etc. Council Member
Kou, you had your light on.
Council Member Kou: I actually have a question. PTC had their Chair and
Vice Chair nominations. Congratulations to Ed and to Susan Monk. I did
have a question. When there is a—how do you say? Tie for a position, what
is the procedure from there?
Vice Mayor Kniss: You usually vote again.
Council Member Kou: Vote again. If it's still a tie, you just keep voting?
Molly Stump, City Attorney: It depends on what the local rules are that
govern the particular body.
Mayor Scharff: The Mayor makes the decision.
Council Member Kou: You weren't there.
Ms. Stump: Council Member Kou, I had a brief conversation with the
attorney who staffed that meeting about the procedural issues that were
raised. Perhaps you and I could have a conversation offline about that. If
you still have questions or if it's of interest to the rest of the group, I can
write folks an email.
Council Member Kou: That'll be great in case something like that comes up.
I know ARB is having theirs next. It's good to have it answered since it just
seems like it would go on and on until Commissioner Suma graciously gave
it up.
Ms. Stump: One thing to be aware of is that the City's Boards and
Commissions are not necessarily under the same rules that the Council is
under. The Council has some special local laws and its own set of
procedures. The Commissions are often slightly different. We'll talk.
Council Member Kou: I think it'll be nice to give them some kind of direction
rather than just keep on being uncertain about things. Also in terms of
getting the Motions on the screen, I find it really helpful that we have our
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Motions on the screen. Maybe this is for City Manager. Is there anyway to
provide them that, the Commissioners?
Ms. Stump: The Clerk's Office does that for you here with two full-time Staff
it takes to support that effort, one doing the Minutes and one providing that
real-time. I believe the Clerk's Office does not have the Staff to support the
Boards and Commissions. Staff under the City Manager, liaison Staff from
the departments, do that function of doing the administrative work to
support those Boards and Commissions. They don't have the skill level or
the personnel power to have two folks sitting there managing that process.
Council Member Kou: There's no way in order to even provide some
assistance to them? Sometimes I find them missing words and really
managing to figure out what the Motion was. You know as well as we all do
that one word can change the entire meaning of the Motion and the intent of
the Motion. I was just wondering if there was any way to reexamine that. The Commissions, as some of the Council Members have been on the
Commissions in the past, have said they wanted to have some relevance. I
would really like to see these Boards, especially ARB and PTC, to have some
relevance and to give them some backup there. I don't want to have a
discussion right now obviously, but I would really like for you to think about,
and maybe I can come and visit and we can chat about it a little bit more.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: A couple of positive notes. The Palo Alto Tree
Lighting Ceremony on Friday was a wonderful, successful event. We had
tons of people show up. The tree is beautiful. The Mayor did a great job
MC'ing. I really just want to extend my thanks to the City Staff for putting
that together. That event has really come along in the last few years since it
was established. It's really special. When I had family visiting from out of
town, they wanted to see the tree on Saturday. Also on Saturday, the
Buena Vista Posada, six of us, I think, were there. I saw Council Member
Holman, Council Member Tanaka, the Mayor, Council Members Kou and
DuBois as well. I was there. I've just got to say the mood at the Buena
Vista Posada this year was joyful and full of relief as opposed to years in the
past where we were all trying to smile and faking smiles and trying to stay hopeful and keep each other hopeful because we didn't what was going to
happen. It was a really nice holiday celebration.
Mayor Scharff: Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: On the high side, I was also going to say that the
Posada had a lot more happy people this year than prior years. It was what we've been looking for, for many, many years. Now, come to a conclusion.
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It was the Posada to end all Posadas. Sadly and on the low side, I would
say that I don't make enough money in this job to be treated so rudely by
the Chair. I look forward to the next meeting being much more collegial. I
would really appreciate that.
Mayor Scharff: I did want to say that I thought the Posada was fantastic
and really well done. I was really impressed with the homework club at the
Posada. I don't know if you had a chance to see it. The woman that's
running it is amazing, and the kids seem really engaged. They were actually
in there doing some homework when I first got there, which was really
impressive. I think they're doing a really great job. Thanks. Meeting
adjourned.
Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 10:33 P.M.