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Special Meeting
June 28, 2016
The City Council of the City of Palo Alto met on this date in the Council
Chambers at 6:09 P.M.
Present: Berman, Burt, DuBois arrived at 6:14 P.M., Filseth, Holman,
Kniss, Scharff, Schmid, Wolbach
Absent:
Agenda Changes, Additions and Deletions
Mayor Burt: Our first item tonight is Agenda Changes, Additions and
Deletions. We have to announce that we have an item that was Consent
Calendar Item Number 15 from last night, approval of a contract with West
Bay Arborists. That's now our Item Number 4 for this evening. Before we
hear from members of the public on Oral Communications, I just want to
make sure the public's aware that Item Number 2a tonight, the 567 Maybell
project, we had our Public Hearing on last Monday, the 20th. We opened
and closed the Public Hearing. All public comments were taken on that date,
and we rolled over the Council discussion 'til tonight. I want to make sure
people understood that process.
Oral Communications
Mayor Burt: On that note, we have two members of the public to speak on
Oral Communications. Our first is Stephanie Munoz, to be followed by
Arthur Liberman.
Stephanie Munoz: Thank you, Council Members. I would just like to remind
you that we have more density now than we used to have. For most people,
that's a bad thing, but it's not entirely bad. It makes possible a more
sophisticated civilization and stuff. If you would allow people to have
smaller, little parcels, like mini houses—I know a few weeks ago somebody
brought that up. You seemed to be agreeable at least to thinking about it.
If you would at least turn your minds toward variances and toward a certain
type of attitude toward poorer people who can't afford to have a big house
or only nine houses on a plot that could hold 10 or 11, I think the town
would be happier. I wish you could sort of turn your minds in that direction.
Thank you.
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Mayor Burt: Thank you. Our next speaker is Arthur Liberman.
Arthur Liberman: Good evening, Mayor Burt and Council people. I want to
commend the Council for rejecting the proposal for the Matadero Creek bike
trail last week, suggesting a street-level path instead. You used common
sense. I'm a cyclist myself, and I support Council priorities for more bicycle
routes in the City. The issue is not with priorities, but how those priorities
are implemented and converted into specific plans. I don't want to speak about the specifics of that strange plan, but it's an example of just how far a
bureaucratic imperative can drive a project, antagonizing many citizens and
spending and wasting City money. I heard that upwards of $370,000 was
spent already just to study the feasibility of that project. The Transportation
Division has one inlet to its advanced thinking of bike paths, and that's the
Palo Alto Bicycle Advisory Committee (PABAC). Those folks are dedicated
cyclists, but they have never seen a bike path they don't like. To have a
better bike path layout, one that benefits the general public, they need to
open up their community outreach, enlarge their advisory board, include
neighbors and pedestrians into their advanced thinking on specific routes.
The City also has a priority to create affordable housing. I support that.
When that priority was converted into the Maybell project proposed by the Palo Alto Housing Corporation, it ignited a firestorm in my neighborhood. I
was president of the Barron Park Association (BPA) at the time. I was
witness to how the grassroots of our community just stood up and exploded
over what the great majority felt was a project they were unhappy with but
was being forced upon them. The Housing Corporation was stubborn and
inflexible. On the other hand, the Golden Gate people who came out with
this other project reached out, invited the community to provide input,
incorporated that into their project plans. That's a model of how things
should be done. If it were followed elsewhere, there would be fewer appeals
to you by neighbors of developments. My point is that when considering
new projects, City officials need to really think about the concerns and
opinions of citizens at a very early stage, earlier than what generally
happens now, and really listen to them, make an effort to listen to them, not
after hiring consultants, not after spending a lot of money on proposals and
designs. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you.
Action Items
1. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING: to Hear Objections to the Levy of
Proposed Assessments on the Palo Alto Downtown Business
Improvement District; Adoption of a Resolution Confirming the Report
of the Advisory Board and Levying Assessment for Fiscal Year 2017 on
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the Downtown Palo Alto Business Improvement District; and Possible
Council Direction on Next Steps.
2. Review of Recommendations From the Storm Drain Blue Ribbon
Committee Regarding Future Storm Water Management Funding and
Request for Council Direction on Whether to Proceed With a
Proposition 218 Hearing and Property Owner Ballot-by-Mail to Approve
Future Storm Water Management Rates (Continued From June 6,
2016).
2A. PUBLIC HEARING: 567 Maybell Avenue [15PLN-00270]: Approval of
Mitigated Negative Declaration and Tentative Tract Map With Lot Size
Exceptions to Subdivide Four Parcels Totaling 2.47 Acres Into 16
Single-Family Lots, Ranging from 5,000 SF to 6,186 SF, and one Parcel
for a Private Street. Environmental Assessment: Mitigated Negative
Declaration. Zoning Districts: R-2 and RM-15 (CONTINUED FROM
JUNE 20, 2016).
Mayor Burt: At this time, we're going to commence with the continuation of
567 Maybell, approval of a Mitigated Negative Declaration and a tentative
tract map with lot size exceptions to subdivide four parcels totaling 2.47
acres into 16 single-family lots, ranging from 5,000 square feet to 6,186
square feet and one parcel for a private street. The environmental
assessment is a Mitigation Negative Declaration. The zoning districts are R-
2 and RM-15. This item was continued from June 20th. We had a Staff Report. I don't know whether you have any other things to share. At this
time, we are open to having questions from Council Members. I think we
went straight to comments from members of the public. Are there questions
that colleagues have? Seeing none, we can go into comments. Nobody's
wanting to leap.
Council Member Kniss: Pat, you probably want to remind everyone
(inaudible).
Mayor Burt: I did.
Council Member Kniss: Did you do that? Thanks.
Mayor Burt: Let me ask Staff to explain a little more on the issue of the
pedestrian path consideration and, secondly, on the in-lieu fees. At what
point in time did Staff bring forward a recommendation for a pedestrian
path?
Jodie Gerhardt, Planning Manager: From the very beginning—Jodie
Gerhardt, Current Planning Manager. From the very beginning, Staff along
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with our Transportation Division had looked at this property and had
originally asked the applicant to include a through-street to the point that we
made sure that that was part of the TIA, the Traffic Impact Analysis.
Through conversations with the community, we heard pretty loud and clear
that that was not something that the community was looking for. That's the
point that we started bringing it forward to hearings, when we sort of
minimized that request down to a pedestrian path. It really is to conform to the Comprehensive Plan to have better connectivity to the rest of the
neighborhood.
Mayor Burt: Is Staff now proposing a path that would be wide enough for
bicycles and pedestrians or what's the design of this?
Hillary Gitelman, Planning and Community Environment Director: Thank
you. Hillary Gitelman, the Planning Director. I should mention that Jodie
and I are really standing in for the project Staff who were scheduled to go
on vacation after yesterday. They won't be here this evening. The request
that was part of the discussion at the Planning Commission meeting was for
effectively a 5-foot-wide path, so pedestrians only. It would have to be a
little wider for fencing and landscaping. Five feet would be the clear area for
pedestrian travel.
Mayor Burt: I've heard there was some consideration on whether it might
be a controlled access path or an open path. Has that been discussed?
Ms. Gitelman: We actually left open that it could be controlled. Certainly it
would primarily serve the residents of the interior parcels that are being
developed as part of this map. It's possible that it could be controlled by the
private owners in the future. We didn't specify one way or the other.
Mayor Burt: On the issue of the affordable housing onsite or in-lieu fees,
one of the considerations for the Council was the amount of the in-lieu fees.
We have coming forward in the near future a revision to the in-lieu fees that
presumably would increase them. What's the timing on that and how would
that interplay with approval of this project? If we basically allowed in–lieu
fees, would they be at the current rate or would they be at the new, revised
rate when that comes forward?
Ms. Gitelman: Thank you for that question. It's not really a simple
explanation. Under the current ordinance, the in-lieu fees would be 7.5
percent of the sale price. They would be payable when the houses sell.
Under the proposed new ordinance, the fees would become effective at the
time a building permit is issued. It'd be a little sooner. It'd be easier to
administer. We are currently drafting an ordinance at the Finance
Committee's recommendation, and we have to take that to the Planning
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Commission and then to the Council. Our hope is that we can get that to the
Council in August. When we first proposed the fees to the Finance
Committee, our recommendation for single-family detached was $95 a
square foot. With that $95 a square foot, you're correct. It would be more
than what we estimate the fees would be under the current ordinance or the
7.5 percent of the sale price. In discussions with the Finance Committee,
there were concerns that the residential fees were out of scale with the commercial fees on commercial land uses. The Finance Committee's last
recommendation to us involved a $50 a square foot fee for all residential
types, condominiums and single-family detached. With that $50 a square
foot fee, it would actually be quite a bit less than the current in-lieu fees.
Obviously this is a policy decision. It will ultimately be up to the full Council,
the structure of the fee and the amount that's charged per square foot. If
our recommendation holds true, the fees would be collected at building
permit issuance, well in advance of the sale of the units.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Vice Mayor Scharff.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Thanks. A couple of things. First of all, I'm glad that
the project is so satisfactory to the neighborhood. People seem enthused
about having this project. I think that's a great thing. Obviously the developer did a really good job working with the neighbors and coming to
something that everyone seemed happy about. I think that's all really good
reasons to support the project. I wanted to make some comments; and
they're not against the project. I just think I want to basically state a couple
of things that's interesting, that I think we need to think of as a Council.
We've looked at a lot of development projects over the past two years. I've
heard statements from this Council that we won't approve things that don't
meet Code, that we don't want to have exceptions, that we look at the draft
Record of Land Use findings whenever we have them. We go through them,
and we say, "Does it really meet this? Are we really okay with that?" I'm
really glad that we're actually starting to show some flexibility as a Council.
When a project is made better and it makes sense to make those
exceptions, we don't need to be so fundamentalist about does it met Code,
does it meet the zoning exceptions, and all of that. I'll just point out in
Section 4, the exception findings on Page 7 of the Staff Report, where it says
the proposed project's exceptions to the zoning standards for lot size, lot
width and lot depth for the following and depicted on tentative map of
Golden Gate Homes. Then, they say the reason we're granting this is
because the neighborhood wants a lower density and not the higher density;
therefore, we should grant this. I just want to point out it's outcome based.
I think that's fine. I think what we're doing is we're responsive to the
neighborhood, and we're making a better project. I think when other
projects come before us, we should also ask ourselves, does it make it a
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better project. So far, what I've been hearing previously on this Council is
that it doesn't matter if it makes it a better project, if it doesn't meet the
exact zoning and the Code, we should turn it down. I'm really glad to say if
we vote for this, that we're moving away from that fundamentalist approach
that we'd started to take toward zoning. I wanted to say that. The other
thing that I wanted to basically comment on was the affordable housing
issue. This is a little confusing to me. Every time something comes to our Council, and someone says they need a hardship exception—here, the
hardship exception is that it would cost the developer too much money to
provide the units onsite as opposed to paying the in-lieu fees. We always
ask for documentation. I don't think in seven years of being on Council I've
ever actually had someone just say, "It costs too much money," and provide
no pro forma, provide no documentation, not prove it. I'd really like to see
some proof that they actually need that. On the other hand, there is a good
argument that two units in $4 million homes for affordable housing doesn't
necessarily make a lot of sense. I'd be the first to acknowledge that. The
issue really here is that it's so much less money that the developer should
pay by going ahead with the in-lieu fee. I think the developer should
probably pay more than what they're paying in the 7 1/2 percent or they should provide the units. I think there should be some compromise based
on "if you want a hardship exemption, how much money can you actually
afford? What is your return? Why do you need the hardship exemption? If
so, should you pay more?" I don't really believe that, in most
circumstances, if a subdivision of 16 units came to this Council of $4 million
homes, we would say, "You don't have to provide the affordable housing per
our Code, which requires onsite units." If we're going to make an exception
to that Code, which we're doing here, we should have a good reason to do
so. I'm fine with being flexible, but the developer should basically set forth
why they need that exception. It shouldn't just be "it's too expensive" with
no backup of the data. If I had the backup and I had a pro forma, and it
said it's too expensive, I'd understand and I'd say, yes, because I believe in
being flexible. That may make the most sense, but what is the right amount
of the fee given how much money you're going to make, given your return
and those kind of things. Those are my initial thoughts on the project.
Mayor Burt: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: On the issue of the path, I think Clemo is kind of
the best path there is. It's really not that—it's four houses away. I think
cutting a path between the homes is going to cut down on the lot size and
impact the privacy of those units. $4.2 million for affordable housing. I
think the argument that that can pay for more units elsewhere is actually a
good one in this case, given the size of these houses. We have a fee policy.
I think we're acting consistently with that practice. I don't think we should
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start making up fees based on profitability. I don't think we've done that
with other people in terms of in-lieu fees. There are two exceptions. I think
one lot at 5,000 square feet and one that's 5,682. I think we are being
responsive to the neighborhood and to the residents. I think we have been
responsive in the past, and I hope we'll continue to be responsive. I don't
think we should minimize—I think it's extremely rare that we have a
developer and a petition from citizens and a whole bunch of people show up two nights to say they support a development. I haven't seen that since I've
been on Council. I haven't seen it before I was on Council. I really don't
think we should underestimate that. I do want to thank Golden Gate Homes
for the process and reaching out and working with the neighbors. I think it
was very positive. I'd love to see more projects do this. I'd like to go ahead
and move that we approve the Mitigated Negative Declaration and the tract
map.
Mayor Burt: You want to be clear on your Motion?
Council Member DuBois: Just move the Staff recommendation.
Mayor Burt: Is there a second?
Council Member Filseth: (crosstalk)
Council Member Berman: Filseth.
MOTION: Council Member DuBois moved, seconded by Council Member
Filseth to:
A. Adopt a Mitigated Negative Declaration; and
B. Approve a Record of Land Use Action, including the Mitigation
Monitoring and Reporting Program, for the Tentative Tract Map and
related lot size exceptions based on findings and conditions of approval
included in the Staff Report.
Mayor Burt: You want to speak to your Motion further?
Council Member DuBois: No, I think I just did.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Filseth, you want to speak to the second?
Council Member Filseth: No.
Mayor Burt: I don't see a lot of lights, so I'll just—there we go. Council
Member Kniss.
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Council Member Kniss: We're moving unusually fast tonight. Let me make a
couple of comments just as well. This has been an extraordinarily
complicated kind of issue. I know many of you—I probably think I've had an
email from everybody here. I'd be willing to bet. If you think you sent me
an email, put up your hand. We were delighted to hear from you. I would
echo a couple of things. There are a couple of exceptions here. I think it's
important to note that, because this will happen again. We will have other kinds of development and developments that come to us. People will say,
"We've worked this out with the developer. It's going to work well in our
neighborhood." I want us to remember that. You all have worked
extraordinarily well together. You've been working on this now for a couple
of years. I think you have something that is really going to be very
desirable in your neighborhood. That, of course, is what—that's what this is
all about. Most of what your City Council does is land use. Most of the
reason that you come to talk to us for some reason, almost always is land
use. Land use almost always involves somebody's money. Not always
yours, not always mine, but it's going to involve somebody's money. Land
use and land use decisions and zoning are kind of what makes the City world
go around. I'm delighted it finally has worked out. I do want to mention that I hope the affordable housing does come to fruition, that we add that
into our fund. While we haven't added much affordable housing lately, I
hope that's a direction we'll go in, particularly with this kind of in-lieu
amount that's going to come to us as a result of the vote that I anticipate
we're going to be taking very shortly tonight.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: When a previous project was proposed on this
site, opposition was broad across Palo Alto and was based on a number of
different concerns. Different people opposed the previous project for
different reasons, sometimes mutually exclusive reasons. For those who live
in the neighborhood and had, I think, some legitimate concerns about the
aesthetics and about safety related to the previous project, I fully respect
that and acknowledge that. I was in favor of the prior project, but I
understood there were pros and cons. It was a tough call; it was never a
perfect project. I don't think this is a perfect project either. I do find it
interesting, though, that I remember speaking to a significant number of
people about the prior project who said to me, "Look, I'm not opposed to
affordable housing. My problem is the single-family homes on the site." I'm
just surprised that we haven't heard those people come forward and say,
"Where's the affordable housing?" What we're left now with is just the
single-family, market rate homes and none of the affordable housing that
was previously proposed. For those people who wanted an entirely
affordable project previously and said that their only concern was the single-
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family, market rate homes on the site, I note their silence on this project. I
will not be supporting this. I think we're rushing this. I don't feel
comfortable with the affordable housing not being onsite. I'm not
comfortable with rejecting a second pedestrian or bike path two weeks in a
row. I will not be supporting the Motion.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: This is an unusual situation and, if you will, predicament for the Council to be in. It seems like this project has been
designed basically with Staff getting out of the way. In a way, I sort of
appreciate that. I've said before nobody knows how a neighborhood lives
better than the people who live in the neighborhood. In a way, I really
appreciate the involvement and the engagement. It seems like there's been
sort of this negotiation between the developer and the neighbors. That's
good. Good on you all. Is this the project that I would design? If it was up
to me, not really. Neither was the prior Maybell project, which I voted for.
No project is going to be perfect. I do feel like I need to speak to
exceptions, though. There are exceptions and there are exceptions. These
are ones that the neighbors are here supporting. From their perspective at
least, this makes the project better. Most exceptions that we see at the dais are ones that cause the public to react negatively. From my personal
perspective, I don't think they usually make the projects better. That's for
exceptions. The path. It's not that large of a site. It does have—I'm all for
bike and especially ped paths. It's not that big of a site; it does have streets
on four sides of a not very large lot. I'm not that wedded to it. It'd be nice,
but I'm not that wedded to it. The Below Market Rate (BMR) units, I'd
always rather see the BMR units created onsite. I would always rather see
that. I truly would. I'm not absolutely convinced by the information the
developer has provided. I think that's what Vice Mayor Scharff was saying
too. I'm not absolutely committed to thinking that that is accurate or
compelling evidence. It's hard. I don't think we're rushing it. It's been
going on for a long time in one iteration or another. I'm a little bit hedgy on
the BMR units. Given how far this is and the status of this, I'm probably
prone to support the project as it is. I'm hedgy on the BMR units.
Mayor Burt: Vice Mayor Scharff.
Vice Mayor Scharff: A couple of things. First of all, I just want to address
briefly what Council Member DuBois said. Maybe I misunderstood. Just to
clarify, the below market program states that the housing units have to be
onsite. That's not—unless there is an exception, unless you grant an
exception based on feasibility. The feasibility people are talking about here
is financial feasibility. In this case, a developer has just written a letter that
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says it's financially infeasible with no backup, no proof. Normally we would
never take that. We are granting that exception because we like the project
and we like the fact—frankly, it's not really good process. I know it's not
good process. I think Council Member Holman is speaking to it's not good
process. I think it's important to admit and to be honest what we're doing
up here. When it comes to exceptions, I actually agree with Council Member
Holman on that. My plea is not that we should grant or not grant exceptions based on neighbors; I'm saying we should be flexible on exceptions when
they are good exceptions and make the project better. In this case, I do
think it makes the project better to have those smaller lots. You fit them in,
and it makes sense. I also think that it probably doesn't make sense to
have two units onsite given the size. I do think in exchange for not forcing a
developer to do that, we should look at what a fair price would be, not just
take their word for it. Maybe they're correct. Maybe they can't afford.
Maybe the project doesn't work with it, in which case I would be willing to
accept that. The problem I have on this is that it doesn't seem that there's
any sense of "we don't know the answer." We are a data-driven Council that
always drills down, asks the hard questions and then makes the decision in
an open and transparent way. We don't paper over stuff. I sort of feel like we're just papering it over literally. We get a letter from the developer, and
fine, check that box. That's my concern. I did want to ask Staff about
what's included in this Motion. The way I understand it, we're approving the
Negative Declaration and Attachment B, which is the draft Record of the City
of Palo Alto Lane Use Action for 567 Maybell, which starts on Page 5 of my
Packet. Is that correct? Maybe I'm reading it wrong. When I go to
conditions of approval, the conditions of approval, as far as I can tell, on
Number 3—maybe I read it too quickly and it says something else. When I
read Condition Number 3, what am I missing? It says that you have to build
the units on sight. That's the condition of approval. If we pass this Motion,
they have to build it on site. I just didn't feel right about Council voting to
do that when everybody else thinks we're going the opposite. I just wanted
to make sure. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
Ms. Gitelman: Thank you for that question. Actually, Condition Number 3
restates the requirement in the City's Zoning Ordinance that says that the
units should be provided onsite unless onsite construction is found to be
infeasible. We provided a supplemental memo to the Council dated June 20,
which states that absent direction from the City Council at the public hearing
to the contrary, Staff will accept the in-lieu payment as satisfying the
affordable housing obligation. That would be consistent with that condition.
Vice Mayor Scharff: This is a wonky question. We don't usually put that in
the condition of approval that we've looked at and we found it to be
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infeasible. That doesn't go in the conditions of approval? It's just a letter
that we do separately?
Ms. Gitelman: We could have done that, but what we did hear was restate
the Code provision.
Vice Mayor Scharff: That's fine. Those are my concerns. We'll see where
we go from there.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Filseth.
Council Member Filseth: I just want to extend a big thank you to Golden
Gate Homes on this. You guys have set the gold standard for neighborhood
outreach. Appreciate it very much. I hope very much that we're going to
approve this plan tonight. Assuming we do, I wish you good luck and
Godspeed on the project. Thanks.
Mayor Burt: I am going to support the proposal principally because our Staff
and the neighborhood as a result of the process that was accepted has
invested a year or more in bringing this project forward. We're going to do
it not because, I think, this truly is the appropriate project for a number of
reasons. First, I want to say that I believed at the time that both the project
that came to us a couple of years ago and the process that brought it there
were flawed. I attempted to have a couple of modifications to the project to make it less onerous. Those failed against a majority of the Council at the
time. I had expressed an interest in extending the process, and that failed
as well. What we've done is gone to the other end of the pendulum. We
now have a process that really—this project is contrary to what were the
overwhelming arguments made by the opponents to the previous project.
The opponent said that they wanted a project consistent with zoning and
consistent with the Comp Plan. I see some shaking heads. For instance, our
exception—we had to make four different exceptions here basically because
it isn't compliant. That's why we're having to make these exceptions. One
is reason why we're—Number 4, the granting of the exception will not
violate requirements, goals, policies or spirit of the law. We have to make
an exception to that. The statement as a reason is because it is not likely
the site will yield multifamily densities given the neighborhood opposition.
Not based on the zoning. Just simply based on political opposition. We have
under Exception Number 2 a statement that—we have this is not R-1 zoning.
That's basically what we have. We have a project that is R-1. Number 2
says that the original intent of the applicant was to develop the property to
be consistent with R-2 and RM-15 zoning, which would have included at
least 23 dwelling units. Those are the facts and the truth. We do have a
project that the applicant has agreed to, but it's really not truthful that this
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is a project that the applicant enthusiastically agreed to. It was because
prior proposals by the applicant were pushed back against. That's what
occurred. I think we should have the integrity to be honest about what's
happened and what we have before us. I do think that their—my greatest
concern is not so much the outcome of this particular site. Back when we
had the opposition, I said a number of times, "I think the neighborhood
opposition, which is the opposition of the side of the neighborhood of this project that are the single-family home occupants." It's important to
remember there are four sides to this project. One side is single-family
homes. Two sides are higher density, one very high density. One side is a
park. Three-quarters are not single-family homes. I would venture that
virtually everyone here tonight is from the single-family home neighborhood.
We tend, as homeowners, to—I guess I'm seeing a nodding head no. Can
anyone who's from a multifamily residence nearby there just raise their
hand? We have five. Thank you. We had opposition that was really not so
much emotionally based upon consistency with zoning; although, the prior
project exceeded the zoning. It was against existing conditions. The
emotional attachment, it had been for decades what were essentially single-
family homes along Maybell and an orchard behind it. Really, the passions were about—the argument was made don't violate the zoning. Really I think
the emotions were don't violate the existing conditions in an unacceptable
way. That's, I think, (inaudible). That's not an invalid emotion, but I think
we need to be honest about if we have opposition to a project that says it's
based upon that we want the zoning followed and we want the
Comprehensive Plan followed and then, once that prevailed at the ballot box,
we have a project that isn't consistent with the zoning and really isn't
consistent with the Comprehensive Plan. It is consistent with the wishes of
the neighboring, single-family neighborhood. I'm really concerned about the
process that we have going forward. I think we need to reexamine how we
deal with projects, especially if a new project, even if an underlying zoning
allows for something higher density, if it is different from what has been
existing in a neighborhood, we have to acknowledge that that's going to
have real concerns unless design and compatibility are good and unless
there is a real participation from the outset of the various stakeholders.
When I say the various stakeholders, that isn't just the single-family
neighbors adjacent. When we had, for instance, the South of Forest Avenue
(SOFA) plans, I was head of the University South neighborhood group when
we did that. We had a very extensive process that was a multi-stakeholder
process, which included about half of the positions in the stakeholder group
really being representatives of the neighborhood interests and half being a
variety of other interests. There were affordable housing folks and there
were daycare representatives, and there were adjacent business
representatives. It was a multi-stakeholder group. Through that process,
we worked through a bunch of issues, and we came to not only compromises
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but solutions that everybody embraced. We didn't do that investment at the
outset here. We came and we've swung back with something else that is
basically the wishes of one side that is contrary to our zoning and really,
very arguably contrary to the Comp Plan. I see people here like Bob Moss
who have berated us, time and again, about not complying consistently with
zoning nor with the Comp Plan. We have to have the integrity to say, "Wait
a minute. That means we have to try to do that consistently." We can't say, "I want you to do it when it favors me, and I want you to completely
ignore it when I want something different." There are processes even to
change zoning as well. I don't think this is a rushed process. I'm not going
to make that argument, because I think that's a fallacious argument. It's
gone through a slow, deliberate process, and it's had plenty of time. I do
want to make sure that when we go forward as a community on other
projects, we look at early engagement and meaningful involvement with the
neighborhood, and with additional interests. As a City Council, we're elected
representing the entire community, and that includes the broad community
interests. Those of us who are—most of us here on the Council and most of
us here in this room are single-family homeowners. That's only about half of
the community. We tend to think it's everybody. We tend to think we're everybody and that we're all that matter. It's really not the case. We as
Council Members have an obligation to represent the range of interests, the
Citywide interests and the neighborhood interests. Not just the Citywide
interest which is really where we failed on this initially, and not just the
neighborhood, the immediate, single-family neighborhood interests. This is
a definition that excludes the Tam Apartments and the other apartments
adjacent, because those neighbors are not the ones who advocated for this
project. It's a portion of the neighborhood interests that really have
determined this project. That's my best effort at being as honest as I can
about what has occurred here. My concerns about trying to make sure that
we do neither of the first extreme nor the latter extreme going forward, but
we come with a better process that will look at a balance of interests. I'll
just add when we did the SOFA neighborhood, this neighborhood embraced
a multifamily home development and an affordable housing project, and a
daycare center and we had a park. That was a big project, and it was
different from this. I don't mean to say it was identical. We asked ourselves
what are our values, and what tradeoffs are we willing to make, what are
the community values, what are our individual values, how do we reconcile
them. Out of that, we came up with something that was arguably a pretty
good outcome that certainly no one person gets to design the whole thing
and say this is exactly what I want; therefore, it's going to happen. Overall,
it'll achieve consensus. That's the sort of approach I'd like to see going
forward. Pardon the long talk on it, but I think that there was a hesitancy
on the Council to really say some of these things. Hopefully at least I've
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expressed them on behalf of some of my colleagues. I think we are ready to
go forward. Unless anybody else wishes to speak?
Council Member Kniss: May I ask one clarification?
Mayor Burt: Go ahead.
Council Member Kniss: It now has come up several times. Hillary, would
you go through once more what is actually going to be in the in-lieu fee in
this particular situation and how it will be calculated? I think the Vice Mayor spoke to that. I think Karen didn't quite ask the amount, but you're
concerned about the affordable housing.
Mayor Burt: Can I answer—Council Member Kniss, we don't know. The
answer is that it will be the fee in place at the time the building permits are
issued. We have in process a revision to the fees which could cause them to
either go up or down or stay the same from where they. That's the answer.
Council Member Kniss: That's the part I find troubling.
Mayor Burt: That's the answer.
Council Member Kniss: This is an answer, and a good answer. I think that's
one of the things you're hearing us struggle with tonight. Where does this
end up and where does the affordable housing actually go in our
community? Thanks.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Wolbach, we've all had a go-around. I allowed
Council Member Kniss to ask a question for clarification. If we're starting
another round of comments, I don't want to do that.
Council Member Wolbach: I was going to respond (inaudible).
Mayor Burt: We got it. Please vote on the board. That passes on an 8-1
vote with Council Member Wolbach voting no and the balance voting yes.
Thank you all for coming tonight.
MOTION PASSED: 8-1 Wolbach no
Mayor Burt: If people are taking off, we'll give you a moment to leave. We
kind of need people to clear out in order to start the next item.
Council took a break from 6:53 P.M. to 7:00 P.M.
3. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING: 1601 California Avenue [15PLN-
00500]: Request by The Board of Trustees of the Leland Stanford
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Junior University to Amend the Final Map for Tract Number 10281
Recorded January 2015 for the 1451-1601 California Avenue
Development, Which Includes a Total of 180 Dwelling Units.
Environmental Assessment: City of Palo Alto/Stanford Development
Agreement and Lease Project Environmental Impact Report (State
Clearinghouse No. 2003082103). Zoning District: Research Park and
Alternative Standards Overlay Two (RP(AS2)) District (Continued From June 27, 2016).
Mayor Burt: Our next item is a continued Public Hearing for 1601 California
Avenue. A request by the Board of Trustees of Stanford University to amend
the final map for Tract Number 10281, which was recorded in January 2015
for the 1451-1601 California Avenue development, which includes a total of
180 dwelling units. The environmental assessment was by the City of Palo
Alto and Stanford University Development and the environmental impact
report. The Zoning District is the Research Park and alternative standard
overlays too. Ms. Gitelman.
Hillary Gitelman, Planning and Community Environment Director: Thank
you, Mayor Burt and Council ...
Mayor Burt: I'm sorry. Council Member DuBois needs to announce.
Council Member DuBois: Since this is real property owned by Stanford
University and they're a source of income, I'm going to recuse myself from
this item.
Mayor Burt: Thank you.
Council Member DuBois left the meeting at 7:02 P.M.
Ms. Gitelman: Thank you, Mayor Burt and Council Members. I'm Hillary
Gitelman, the Planning Director. I'm joined by Jodie Gerhardt, who's our
Current Planning Manager. Again, Jodie and I are standing in for the Project
Planner who had planned to be here yesterday. When the item was
continued, it was not consistent with his vacation schedule. Luckily, Jodie
has a lot of background on this site, being involved in prior entitlements.
We're here to discuss the proposed amendment to the final map for 1601
California Avenue. The project derives from the Mayfield Development
Agreement, which was adopted by Stanford and the City in 2005. There was
an Environmental Impact Report (EIR) certified to cover that Agreement and
subsequent projects under the Agreement. The Agreement itself allows for
180 units on the project site. A tentative map was approved in 2014 to
subdivide the parcel. Subsequent to that, the buildings were demolished on
the site. This allowed for additional testing for soil contamination as
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anticipated in the EIR. Just a quick project overview. We're talking about
six acre site that formerly had an HP building on it. Once the building was
demolished, there was a supplemental investigation and risk assessment
conducted, which sometimes we return to as a Phase 2 site investigation and
a risk assessment. There was identification of TCE contaminants that have
resulted in the requested revision to the final map. Just to summarize the
site remediation and mitigation that we're talking about. This graphic shows—the shaded area is where soil has been excavated and removed from
the site. This soil was contaminated by TCE. The dots that are shown on
the map are the hotspots of TCE concentrations that are at 15-25 feet below
the basement level and are proposed to remain in place. There's mitigation
proposed as part of the final map amendment that involves relocating the
homes. Stanford has also proposed slabs and vapor barriers and a number
of other things. There will also at some point be a site management plan or
land use controls that apply to the open space area which is now where
these TCE spots are located. There was extensive characterization of soils
and groundwater on this site as well as the chemical constituents. There are
experts here tonight who prepared and also experts who reviewed for the
State agency Department of Toxic Substances Control (DTSC) the materials and the studies that were conducted. I'm going to invite them to speak to
the issue that's been raised about whether any of the contaminated soil
conditions on the site could have migrated off the site. I'm not aware of any
connection between any offsite contamination and what we're talking about
here that would be addressed by the final map amendment. I have two brief
pictures in the presentation. This is the layout that was approved
previously. This is the proposed layout. You'll notice that the number of
homes along California Avenue stays the same. All the street connections to
California Avenue stay the same. The revisions maintain the 180 dwelling
units that were originally proposed. They redistribute some of the homes,
creating that open space in the middle of the site, some smaller lots,
increased common area. Some of the units, as a result, will have reduced
square footage and fewer bedrooms. I just want to summarize for you the
implementation of mitigation measures from the EIR and then the final map
findings that will need to be made. The EIR mitigation called for this Phase
2 survey and a work plan and corrective action plan if needed, if the testing
found constituents of concern. That has been done. They've conducted the
Phase 2 analysis and this risk assessment. They've removed contaminated
soils. The State Agency with jurisdiction, DTSC, has concurred with the
recommendations in the risk assessment. In terms of next steps, Stanford
will submit a preliminary endangerment assessment for review by the State
agency. We expect that they will receive a no further action letter probably
with conditions. The conditions will probably relate to some kind of land use
control or management plan for this open space area that now contains
those hotspots of TCE. As the Council's aware, we've received a whole lot of
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public comments regarding this item and the potential for contamination
offsite. I want to thank all of those who submitted comments prior to this
meeting. I'm sure we'll hear a summary as we move forward into the public
comment period. Among the comments we received was a request to delay
this action this evening until the DTSC could issues its final action; a request
for additional mitigation measures beyond what Stanford has proposed; a
request for further site remediation; and a discussion regarding the risk to offsite homes in addition to data secured through actual collecting of
additional samples and testing offsite. We understand the DTSC has
received and will evaluate the testing that was done by the neighbors.
Obviously it's a serious issue, and we look forward to hearing the results of
their review. We do not at this point believe that those tests and any
contamination that's confirmed would relate to what's happening onsite and
the site conditions. Again, I will defer to the experts on this issue. The Staff
Report summarizes the findings that need to be made for a final map
amendment. I'll just draw your attention to the first one, changes in
circumstances that make any or all of the map no longer appropriate or
necessary. Obviously in this case, we're referring the changes in conditions
and circumstances related to the TCE contamination that was discovered during the anticipated site investigation that was clearly anticipated in the
EIR. I'd say, just on top of that, often in California Environmental Quality
Act (CEQA) parlance, when we're talking about environmental review, we
often talk about changes in circumstances as necessitating additional
environmental review. This is really a different context. The EIR anticipated
that we would do additional site characterization and take care of any
contaminants that were identified. The Record of Land Use Action contains
these final map findings, the CEQA determination and provides an
opportunity to the Council, if the Council wishes, for additional findings
related to some of the mitigation measures that Stanford has proposed, the
extraordinary 10-inch slab, the vapor barriers under the homes. We could
also use that opportunity to condition the building permit issuance for the
seven homes closest to these TCE hotspots, condition those building permits
on the no further action just to give us further comfort that that will be
taken care of in an expeditious manner. Jodie and I are here to answer any
questions you have. At this point, we would recommend you hear from the
applicant, the public, and then the applicant will have a short rebuttal.
Then, of course, Council questions and comments. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. First, do we have any questions of Staff before
hearing from the applicant? The applicant has up to 10 minutes to speak.
Welcome.
Public Hearing opened at 7:10 P.M.
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Chris Wuthmann, Stanford University Real Estate Office: Thank you. Good
evening, Councilors. My name is Chris Wuthmann; I'm with Stanford
University Real Estate. I am manager of the California Avenue, now known
as University Terrace, housing development. In 2005, the Mayfield
Development Agreement and its EIR required Stanford University to obtain
review and approval of hazardous material mitigation at the upper California
housing development from the California Department of Toxic Substances Control. The purpose of this hearing is to confirm our compliance with
oversight by the DTSC and to approve amendment of our subdivision plan
for purposes of improved mitigation. While it is not Council's role to
evaluate DTSC's scientific and technological judgments, it is important for
you to understand how we came to the point of proposing a more
conservative layout for part of the proposed site. To begin, while Stanford
and Palo Alto knew in 2005 of the likely existence of contaminants on the
California Avenue site, Stanford was not able to begin fully evaluating these
conditions until 2013, when it began regaining control of the properties and
environmental consultants were able to commence the required Phase 2
testing. The results of the investigations of the first two properties, 1451
and 1501 California Avenue, led the DTSC to issue no further action letters in 2013, which stated that the sites did not pose a significant risk to human
health or the environment under residential land use. Based in part on
these findings, we initiated our development application for the overall
property in October 2013 and ultimately received final subdivision map
approval in December 2014. We moved forward with our development and
subdivision map in this fashion in part because there was great desire by our
neighbors, the College Terrace neighborhood, for us to make use of the
temporarily available access route from Page Mill Road through the 1450
Page Mill property as long as possible, even though we had not yet regained
control of the final portion of the property, i.e., 1601 California Avenue. This
decision was well disclosed and discussed by all participants during the
development approvals. The final map enabled us to get our first permits
for new construction and starting construction within this timeframe did,
indeed, prove to be beneficial for the College Terrace neighborhood, as over
11,500 heavy truck trips were able to use the Page Mill access to the site
through September 2015. Stanford regained control of the 1601 property at
the end of 2014. After the building was demolished, our experts detected
elevated levels of TCE in soil vapor samples collected in the vicinity of the
sump beneath the former building. This soil vapor was located 14-25 feet
below predevelopment grade and located in areas where up to 15 feet of fill
is planned to be added on top within the site plan. Notwithstanding the
depths of these readings, however, modeling indicated that seven houses in
our previous plan would be located over soil vapor concentrations that would
potentially cause a greater than one chance in a million risk of cancer if one
were to remain indoors 24/7 for 26 years, which is the conservative level of
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health risk applied by the State, at which risk management measures are
considered. It would be possible to leave these houses in place by installing
in-ground ventilation systems underneath them. If Stanford had elected
that approach, the subdivision map would not need to be amended, and we
would not need any action by the City of Palo Alto. Stanford decided to take
the more conservative route by moving the houses away from the locations
of higher vapor concentrations for two reasons, even though it does require us densifying a bit and reducing our total housing square footage somewhat.
One, we would prefer not to make it necessary for homeowners to have to
check and maintain the functioning of a mechanical system underneath their
foundation slabs to mitigate soil vapor intrusion. Two, unlike many
developers who may need to maximize development of their property, we
are in a position to choose to downsize the project slightly and revise the
location of the effected houses. On April 4, DTSC approved this plan as
sufficiently characterizing and defining the nature and extent of
contamination and as presenting a redevelopment plan posing no significant
risk to future site residents within the specific soil and groundwater
conditions of the site. This followed six months of review and comment on
Stanford's environmental consultant's investigation and analysis, which time period included a transparent process that included meeting with and
receiving and responding to comments from the College Terrace community
and the Center for Public Environmental Outreach. You have, in your Staff
Report, the extensive responses from DTSC to questions raised by neighbors
over the past eight months. You will also find in there the peer review of the
analysis and plan by Dr. Paul Johnson, the co-creator of the industry
standard vapor intrusion model, which was requested by Stanford. As you
know, several residents have recently conducted their own sampling of 19
homes in College Terrace adjacent to the project and have implied that TCE
from the 1601 site has migrated to some of their dwellings. A quick expert
review of their document raises serious questions regarding the scientific
validity of its methodology. DTSC has not completed their review of the
reported results; however, even if the readings College Terrace residents
collected were accurate, they would not change the determination regarding
the best layout of residences at 1601 California Avenue. Stanford's
environmental consultant intentionally tested most thoroughly in the area
along California Avenue to define the extent of contamination and found no
evidence of migration toward College Terrace. In a March 18 response to
the Computerized Physician Order Entry (CPOE), DTSC stated "the College
Terrace community is safe with respect to potential vapor intrusion to
constituents detected in soil vapor at University Terrace based on several
lines of evidence, including the geologic units at the site, the collection of
soil vapor data over 10 years, and the removal of all potential sources of
TCE from the site." Most recently in light of College Terrace's just submitted
sampling, DTSC communicated to City Staff reiterating its conclusion that
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1601 has been adequately characterized and stated that concern about
potential existence of TCE in the College Terrace neighborhood is a separate
issue that does not affect the approval of Stanford's 1601 site plan. In
conclusion, our request is that, based on DTSC's approval of our revised
layout, you approve amendment of our subdivision plan to enable us to
implement this mitigation and not have to stop work in the area over the
summer. Representatives of DTSC are here this evening to answer questions about analysis and mitigation at the site and the remaining work
before closure. Also present are the professionals from Haley and Aldrich,
the firm that performed the environmental investigation and analysis, who
can also comment on methodological questions about College Terrace's
sampling. Annette Walton, Director, Stanford Environmental Management,
is here this evening as well. Finally to conclude this presentation, we would
like to have our land use attorney, Julie Jones, say a few words about how
the process fits within the Development Agreement and the EIR. Thank you.
Julie Jones, Stanford University Land Use Counsel: Good evening. I'm Julie
Jones, land use counsel for Stanford on this project. I was actually involved
in the preparation or work on the EIR back in 2005 for the Mayfield
Development Agreement. I wanted to provide a little bit of background on that Agreement and on the EIR for it, just to be clear about where we are in
the process. As Chris mentioned, in 2005 it was known that none of the
residential development under the Mayfield Development Agreement would
occur until at least 2013 when the leases on the existing properties would
expire. It was always known that more work would need to be done and
more analysis would need to be done when those properties became
available. The properties were characterized. It was known that there was
contamination at both of the properties, both for the BMR housing and for
this project, for the upper California housing, and that TCE was a commonly
used substance in the Research Park. What the EIR did was it identified
potentially significant impacts to residents, to construction workers and to
the public if levels were at a certain rate and if it could escape. There were
three mitigation measures included in the EIR to call for further investigation
and compliance with the regulatory agency requirements. In this case,
DTSC is the regulatory agency. What the EIR concluded based on those
mitigation measures was that any impacts would be reduced to less than
significant. Where we are right now is asking whether there is new
information, as has been suggested, that would undermine that mitigation
measure. Should I continue?
Mayor Burt: Try and take a moment to wrap up. You'll have a rebuttal time
...
Ms. Jones: I will take a moment to wrap up.
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Mayor Burt: There will be a rebuttal time as well at the end.
Ms. Jones: I'll just conclude by saying that the investigation that has been
done shows that there are no changes in circumstances that would show a
new significant impact or a substantial increase in severity of previously
identified impacts. That is the standard under CEQA. That's why we're just
implementing the mitigation measure and moving forward.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. We now will go to members of the public. We have two different grouped speaker cards if I'm reading this correctly. The
first one is Lenny Siegel speaking on behalf of Sally Heaton, Pat Robinson,
Eileen Stolee and Diana Finkelstein. Welcome.
Lenny Siegel speaking for Sally Heaton, Pat Robinson, Eileen Stolee, Diana
Finkelstein: Good evening. Tonight I'm here not as a Mountain View
colleague but representing the Center for Public Environmental Oversight.
We have funding from the United States Environmental Protection Agency
(USEPA) to provide technical assistance to communities on vapor intrusion.
I have been working with the College Terrace residents since December.
Vapor intrusion is the migration of volatile, toxic substances into overlying
buildings. When a compound like TCE is in the subsurface, it volatilizes and
is actually sucked up by buildings because of the lower vapor pressure inside the building or the air pressure inside the building and the vapor pressure in
the soil. It is found in many places like Mountain View, all over the country.
It is something that can be resolved easily with a sub-slab depressurization
or sub-slab venting system. The proponents here claim that, because of the
clay lithology—the soil is clay—that the contamination is isolated and it
doesn't move in the groundwater, it doesn't move in the soil. I don't think
the evidence backs that up. I'm going to be saying a little bit about
technical things. Try to keep it fairly simple, and then explain why I think
the mitigation the Department of Toxic Substances Control normally calls for
and some of our neighboring communities call for would be more
appropriate. The State uses these standards for exposure to TCE in indoor
air. That's micrograms per cubic meter. It doesn't really matter what the
unit is. It's 0.48 to protect against cancer risk, 2.1 to protect pregnant
women because the risk of cardiac birth defects during pregnancy has to
occur during the pregnancy. You know it's less than nine months. It turns
out that DTSC toxicologists say it could be as short as one day. It's those
goals for indoor air that all of the mitigation, all the plans are designed to
protect people against. Because there's no indoors now, maybe they should
have tested the old buildings before they were torn down. Because there's
no indoors now, you can't sample that. What you do is you sample soil gas.
A gas is the gas that's within the soil. The soil isn't solid; it's got water and
gas in it. There are different versions of the soil gas screening levels that
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are used to predict whether or not you're going to exceed that 0.48 level
that is the target indoor air level based on cancer. USEPA would use 16
micrograms per cubic meter, with their default ratio of indoor air to
subsurface. California uses 480. Through a complex set of modeling, Haley
and Aldrich on behalf of Stanford has created this number of 11,000 to
53,000 based upon depth to predict—those are the numbers that the soil
gas would have to exceed to bring indoor air to the level above the 0.48 which is the health-based target. I don't think that's justified. That's
basically justified by using the Johnson and Ettinger model and the assertion
that this is all uniform clay and, therefore, the pressure differential—there's
a lower pressure in the buildings—can't possibly pull up the contamination
because there's so much clay and the vapors can't move. This is real
important when you get to looking at the map of the site. This is a map of
the site. Here is the area that the consultants say is the source of the TCE.
Until I talked to DTSC's project manager for this site—it was December or
January—she was unaware of a memo written by someone else at DTSC
saying the contamination here at 1501 California was there as a result of
migration—this would be groundwater migration—from the perceived source.
That's over 300 feet. Basically, they've been saying don't worry about the distance that the contamination might move because it's all clay. In fact,
there's evidence here, backed by a DTSC letter that says the contamination
has moved 300 feet. There's another site here, groundwater on the site,
where there's even more contamination in the groundwater. The
consultants say, "There really is no groundwater on the site. We can't find
it." That's probably a function of when and how and where they looked.
That's evidence that the contamination is not isolated, so that the hotspots
that they've identified could impact people in the buildings at a closer
distance. There is where the testing in College Terrace over here is
important. There is soil gas contamination here. It's between the level that
EPA uses and the level that the State uses for what's acceptable. The
residents weren't comfortable that that was enough evidence that they
weren't being exposed. I arranged for one of the top notch samplers for TCE
in indoor air and soil gas. He's from San Diego. He came here and he did
some sampling. To my surprise they found it. Why is that important for this
site? Basically it says there may be what is called a paleo channel, a sand
channel, that connects this area to College Terrace. It basically says that
you can't rely on the clay to keep stuff from coming up into homes, because
it has been found in the homes. You can't rely on it keeping the
contamination from moving horizontally. The assumptions that they're using
to say that you can simply put a home 50 feet from a very high hotspot,
over 53,000 micrograms per cubic meter, is not borne out by the data. We
haven't done enough sampling to confirm that the TCE in these homes is
coming from this property, but we know of no other source. The fact that it
was found in the crawlspace as well as the indoor air suggests it's not
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coming from consumer products. I'm aware of places in Mountain View and
southern California where gun cleaner has given a false indicator of vapor
intrusion. If it's found in the crawlspace, that's much less likely. Basically
we have evidence which calls into question the argument that this stuff can't
move more than 50 feet and at low levels it can't move up into the buildings.
One more thing about the map. They say they've moved the buildings 50
feet from the hotspots. The five hotspots they have identified are the ones that exceed the site-specific gas screening level that Haley and Aldrich
calculated. That's not quite true. Even if you use their numbers, you have
Building 30 over here. I can't read it from here, but I'm pretty sure that's
where it is. Building 30 is 50 feet from this hotspot; however, there's no
sampling between it. Up here you have a building, and there's a lower level
sample between the hotspot and the building. Here, we don't know what
the levels are. They're saying that they moved it 50 feet from the
contamination, but in fact they just moved it 50 feet from where they've
sampled. They don't really know how high the contamination is in this area.
Of course, you've got areas over here where they're building houses directly
over contamination that exceeds Department of Toxic Substances Control
default, attenuation factor. Again, they're using the fact that it's clay and a complex model to say, "Don't worry. The number's a couple of orders of
magnitude higher than you'd have to trigger a problem." It's really not that
hard to solve this problem. This is Department of Toxic Substances Control
document on how to mitigate exposure to TCE and other chemicals through
vapor intrusion. I contributed to the development of this document. If you
look here, it's a great simple diagram. The way you mitigate is you have a
pipe beneath the building with holes in it. If it's new construction, it's
usually horizontal. A pipe that leads to the top of the building. In many
cases, you have a fan to blow out the vapor from underneath. That creates
depressurization under the building. If there's a crack or hole that
contamination could move between the subsurface and the building and the
indoor air, it moves downward. It's very protective. It's inexpensive. It's
done all over the country. It grows out of our experience with radon. They
could do it. They said they don't want to do it because they don't want
homeowners to have to check the monometer, if you've seen a radon
system, to see that it's working. It's like saying people can't deal with
methane detectors or smoke alarms. It's rather simple to deal with. It's the
standard way of mitigating. There are actually two ways. Sub-slab
depressurization has a fan. Sub-slab venting doesn't have a fan; it relies on
the atmosphere to depressurize the subsurface. Sometimes that's done—we
have some buildings in Mountain View where that's done, that aren't directly
above plumes as this is. You have the option of monitoring. If you find a
problem, then you can install a fan later. It's a lot easier to put a pipe
beneath the building or beneath the vapor barrier before you build the
building than afterward. That's why it's common practice to do one of these
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things in new construction where TCE and other contaminants are found.
Both of those involve vapor barriers. Vapor barriers alone are not
considered—one more minute? Vapor barriers are not considered by DTSC
to be sufficient mitigation. You do need to do long-term management—I
won't go into the details about that—to make sure that things work.
Basically, these buildings are proposed to be built close to contamination at
very high levels in the soil gas. There's an easy way to protect people. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Our next speaker is Fred Balin, speaking on behalf
of Eric Heaton, Ann Balin, Stewart Carl, William Heaton, and Doria Summa.
Welcome.
Fred Balin speaking for Eric Heaton, Ann Balin, Stewart Carl, William Heaton,
Doria Summa: Good evening. Fred Balin, College Terrace. Mayfield upper
California Avenue housing, last Agenda list item before summer break, once
again. In June 2014, the hazmat section of your environmental confirmation
concluded no new significant impacts. We now know that was not correct,
because on the 1601 California Avenue parcel for which a Phase 2 study was
not submitted, nine months after your approval, TCE was discovered
originating from that site, a significant impact not noted. We also know now that in 2014 the likelihood of TCE contamination from the 1601 California
Avenue (Cal. Ave.) site was known but not reported to you. On the adjacent
parcel, 1501 Cal. Ave., where a Phase 2 assessment was submitted, TCE
was detected in groundwater above maximum contamination level, 50 feet
below ground, and the likely source identified as 1601 California Avenue.
It's hard to see, but it's in the top, left-hand section of the middle graphic,
which is the middle to three properties. The finding was also specifically
stated in a letter from DTSC to the applicant six months earlier, as I
submitted to you today, but the information was not included in the source
references for the environmental confirmation memo or other public
communications to the City. Why? Let's move from groundwater to soil
gas. The TCE vapor between soil particles. Here's what we faced when we
finally received the 1601 Phase 2 risk assessment. Stay calm. Over 50
detection points marked with one or two symbols for screening level,
connected to boxes with TCE measures at up to three depths, dotted outline
for the former building, housing reorientation plan in the background, small
legend at the bottom and measured values ranging from single digits to
almost 200,000. Enter the genius of resident scientist Ed Schmidt. This
visualization was submitted to DTSC and you. Ed's overseas today. It's
based on the very same data and screening level on the other chart. Here,
at each detection point, one value, the highest, and represented by the
diameter of the symbol, also estimated zones of high and low concentration.
It goes over onto the other property as well. How did he do it? Diameter is
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based on the cubed root of the measured value. Below, the last zone
creation technique explained. In addition, he superimposes the proposed
project design. Why are some homes in the orange zone? As Lenny Siegel
explained, the applicant's consultant model lets you increase the screening
level by up to two orders of magnitude under certain conditions, up to
11,000 or up to 53,000. With all this in mind, Stanford's consultant created
a new graphic, which you've seen already. Better, but now there are three colors for detection points. Royal blue for values below the 480 California
default soil gas screening level. Turquoise for values above 480 but below
the maximum bonus level in the model. Orange for values that even exceed
that level. Five discrete orange detection points from which all houses are
proposed to be set back at least 50 feet. With DTSC acceptance, that's all
Stanford will be required to do. Required number of units still fit on the site.
The TCE can remain in the ground un-remediated. Wait. The applicant
says, "We will unilaterally do more." They'll add some dirt and mitigations
under the house that are less than the DTSC standard. As for impacts in
College Terrace, no. We hired a gas chromatography expert in the field of
vapor intrusion to validate the claim. A study was identified, a sampling
protocol established, homeowners granted permission. Expert chromatography device and nitrogen cylinder set up in a temperature-
controlled location in the neighborhood. Measured values under or within a
third of the homes had levels above indoor air target concentrations. Why
and what to do. The results and study based on it were submitted to DTSC
and we began work on answers to those questions when Staff squeezed this
item prematurely onto the calendar under a section of the Code for technical
corrections and limited environmental review. We had hard data and
presented it to the City Attorney's Office and requested a delay until you
have all the facts in front of you. It was passed on to Planning and the City
Manager, who said go ahead as planned. All is in order. Offsite problems
should not stop the application, and let DTSC make judgments when ready.
If you approve now, a complete abdication of responsibility. Whatever DTSC
comes up with, they're not the final arbiter here. It is you, the City, the lead
agency on the environmental study. DTSC is not CEQA. It's not up to
citizens to prove there's a problem, just there is the possibility. We've done
more already than any reasonable citizen groups should have to do to have
its government act on behalf of health and safety. The new data we have
submitted to the Attorney's Office and you is also a changed circumstance
under the FEIR, not in the FEIR, not in the environmental confirmation of
2014. You cannot go forward without a proper environmental study of this
offsite contamination. What's going on here? Is it because of the applicant?
Is Stanford never wrong? Is it just too much of an effort to do the proper
job? There are good people in the City, exceptional people. Those who
created the online, public records request system that I made use of. Those
who enabled me to have the Staff Report 11 days before the meeting rather
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than five, two years ago. The sharp, straight-up Public Works employee who
looked at the application and wrote back that this is not a technical
correction, this is a revision, until she was overruled or made to change her
mind. Listen to what you have tonight. Get a sense of this project. Under
no circumstances approve it. Continue it until a proper application comes
before you and all the appropriate environmental documents are in. Thank
you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Our next speaker is Margit Aramburu.
Margit Aramburu: Good evening. Margit Aramburu, Amherst Street/College
Terrace resident. I wanted to speak briefly to the review process of the
proposed subdivision as a minor amendment. I suggest that the proposed
amendment is not minor because it includes changing the size and location
of 29 residential lots. The change in the park parcel, changing the right-of-
way width and location of the Amherst Street that's an extension of the
current street. The addition of a new cul de sac. These together, I do not
believe, could in any way be considered a minor amendment. I believe it
should be subject to expanded review, which includes review by the Planning
and Transportation Commission in a public hearing, which is how the original
subdivision was reviewed. In addition, any conditions that are invoked by DTSC for construction on the parcels on the site, I believe, should be
amended into the City's original and master approval document, rather than
added onto the building permits. It should be part of the permanent record
for approvals by the City of this project. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. If we have any other speakers who wish to speak,
they need to bring a card forward at this time. Our next speaker is Carina
Chiang. Welcome.
Carina Chiang: Hello. I'm Carina Chiang, born and raised on Amherst
Street, all of my life in College Terrace. We've been hearing about very
complex issues. Put aside the TCE. You have a developer who's come
before you, and they've said DTSC has approved this. I think we all agree
that DTSC's criteria are completely separate from the criteria that the City
Council and the Planning and Transportation Commission and Fire
Department makes about the safety of its residents, the safety of the living
conditions, and the liability the City holds for any future legal issues. What
we're looking at is, by the developer's admission, a change of 29 parcels.
We are also seeing the addition of a new cul de sac, Amherst Court. You
have to make a tight right-hand turn into that with a fire truck. Bowdoin
Court has also been changed. It's location has been changed slightly. The
new Amherst Street has been made narrower. The City Council, when they
spoke with the developer, requested that the developer put sidewalks in on
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both sides so that the pedestrians and the children would be safe. We now
have a narrower street and no cross-section indicating the location of those
sidewalks that the City has requested. The Council is being asked to
summarily approve the changes without review by the Planning and
Transportation Commission. The new Amherst Street also has a jog in it.
When it meets up with the Amherst Court, when it has to make a 90-degree
turn, the turning bulb-out has been reduced. There's less room. There also has not been proper notice provided for the review of this by the Planning
and Transportation Commission. We need the Fire Chief to sign off on this
new plan with the new cul de sacs that are at 90-degree angles, the
narrower roads, the narrower turning radiuses. There's been inadequate
review. DTSC criteria are completely independent of the criteria the City
needs to consider. Thank you very much for your consideration.
Mayor Burt: Arthur Liberman to be followed by John Brookes.
Arthur Liberman: Good evening, Mayor and Council people. What's really
needed for the College Terrace neighbors and the health of the new
residents is clean up, not cover up. I was the environmental committee
chair for the Barron Park Association for a good number of years, and I
learned of the many sites of underground TCE contamination in the Stanford Research Park. The absence of oversight by Stanford over the years
resulted in the Hillview-Porter Regional Superfund site where hazardous
chemicals reach Matadero Creek, led to the plume of underground
contamination under the Veterans Affairs Hospital (VA), and ultimately into
much of Barron Park. There are a host of other DTSC-mandated clean-up
sites in the Research Park identified by the names of companies who
operated there. Teledyne Singer, Watkins-Johnson, Coherent, Varian, Smith
Kline, Syntex, Teledyne Mec, Aydin Energy and also at least two other
Hewlett Packard sites in addition to the 1601 California Avenue site and the
playing fields underneath the Mayfield playing fields. There is ongoing
remediation of the contamination at those places. There's pumping of
groundwater, injection of oxidizing chemicals and bio agents in an effort to
enhance the cleanup. At the Teledyne Singer sight on Porter Avenue, there
is where contamination has effected nearby properties including the
University Club. Consultants recently did subsurface thermal heating. They
dug eight wells in an area where contamination stubbornly remained high
and lowered electrical heating coils to heat the subsurface to essentially try
to cook the contamination and decompose and break down the volatile
organics. The consultants at that site are now conducting soil vapor
monitoring and measurements. Indoor air vapor measurements are now
required in one of Varian's buildings along Hanover Street by the DTSC.
Many of these sites had been plating shops. Stanford allowed Varian and
CPI to build a plating shop adjacent to residents in Barron Park. The City
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then allowed CPI to rebuild their shop and load it up with lots of hazardous
materials. Pushing through the Stanford plan on a contaminated site at
1601 California Avenue while ignoring the legitimate concerns of the
neighboring College Terrace folks smacks of repeating this pattern. Mayor
Burt, when we talked about the CPI site, you said you would not want to live
on the other side of the fence from a plating shop. Would you or any other
Council person want to live on top of a plume of TCE? The fact is there's very significant contamination at this site. The issue is very complex. It's
more complex than what the Stanford consultants say. They rely on models
to tell you that contamination is contained and there is no effect and there is
no concern outside the area and no TCE fumes that leach out of the local
area. The measurements by College Terrace residents say that's not true.
I'd believe that over model extrapolations. Prudence says you should put
the project on pause until further measurements are made that would clarify
the issue. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Our next speaker is John Brookes, to be followed
by Robert Moss.
John Brookes: Good evening all. Thank you for the opportunity to speak
tonight. My name is John Brookes; I am a resident. My wife and I own a home at 1630 South California Avenue, directly across from ground zero if
you will. I don't have any formal comments prepared tonight, but I would
like to reiterate what my neighbors and friends have said earlier. There
appear to be data that needs to be reviewed prior to any further
development of this property. I noted with interest earlier Vice Mayor
Scharff commented that the Council is data driven and drills down on all
issues. I would ask and we would ask respectfully that you do that with this
particular issue. Thank you very much.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Bob Moss to be followed by our final speaker,
Stephanie Munoz.
Bob Moss: Thank you, Mayor Burt and Council Members. As you probably
know, I'm on the Board of the Barron Park Association Foundation, which
was assigned oversight of this area by the EPA in 1989. We were given
several large grants to monitor and keep an eye on what was going on
there. I'm very familiar with the site. This particular project is not ready for
primetime. Stanford has done a really terrible job of evaluating the soil,
groundwater, and looking at what kind of contamination might come into the
residential buildings that are planned for this site. When Staff says that
there's been no change in the contamination level that's allowed, that is
false. Three and a half years ago, EPA came in with a much lower level,
0.48 ppb, in any residential areas because exposure of a pregnant woman in
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the first trimester of pregnancy for as little as a week was highly likely to
cause birth defects to the fetus. Of course, Stanford would like to ignore
that. Those are the facts. Furthermore, any building, especially a
residential building built on this site, should not have an underground
basement. You can ask Lenny Siegel. There have been no buildings in the
Mountain View MAW site built with underground garages since the mid-
1990s. They don't do it in Mountain View. Why would we do it in Palo Alto? Second, we must have regular, indoor air monitoring in the residential
buildings for at least five years to verify, first of all, that the contamination
has been stopped by soil vapor barriers and ventilation. I'll give you an
example. In one of the projects in Mountain View, where they had soil vapor
barriers and sub-slab ventilation, they tested the houses. One of them, less
than a year after construction, had high levels of TCE because the barriers
failed. If you don't test, you don't know and you may poison people. This
project is not ready for primetime. It has to go back and be completely
redone, eliminate the underground garages, require both vapor barriers and
constant evaporation of the soil and groundwater, and try to cure the
damage underground by eliminating the soil contamination. There's no
evidence they're even thinking of that.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Our final speaker is Stephanie Munoz.
Stephanie Munoz: Thank you, Mayor Burt and Council Members. I'd like to
express my appreciation as a Palo Alto taxpayer to all the naysayers who
have come from other towns or from around. It seems to me it would be
utter insanity for Palo Alto to permit anything but the very highest standard
for residences free of industrial contamination. Every day you pick up a
newspaper or the magazine, and somebody wants to prosecute a lawsuit.
Somebody is inviting the world to join in a suit for things they didn't even
had injured them. It would be—all of you are just too smart for that.
Thanks to them. However, I'd like to say that I hope you can figure out a
way to do the project. It's a good project in concept. It's a good concept.
It's sort of a throw-back problem. Fifty years ago, 100 years ago, back
when Stanford was founded and Palo Alto was founded to be a nice college
town with a lot of residences and some stores, most of the income came
from people—the jobs came from elsewhere. They came from San Francisco
or maybe from San Jose. I myself went to San Francisco my school career
on a Southern Pacific train. After the Sputnik, we were convinced that the
previous idea of having industry separated from residences no longer applied
because we could have clean industrial parks. The land that Stanford owned
was changed in zoning from residences to industry, because this clean
industry was going to be compatible with residential use. As it turns out,
here's the problem. It isn't all that compatible. What I have to say is when
you get this finished, look then at the next phase of residences versus
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money-making opportunities, which is that the housing has to be near
enough to the jobs or else have a train or mass transportation so that people
can work without tying up the entire City in the Motion of people to their
jobs from other places. Do not let Stanford get away with not building
housing for its hospital and doctors' offices and other residences. You need
that balance of housing. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Now, the applicant has the rebuttal time of three minutes.
Mr. Wuthmann: I'd respectfully request a bit more rebuttal time as I think
several people should say a few comments, given the number of comments
that have been made by College Terrace folk. We can go quickly. Let me
begin by starting with addressing the concern about or allegation that we're
radically changing the site plan because 29 parcels are changing. The parcel
changes are limited to the interior part of the site, i.e., the non-ARB review
part of the site, i.e., the non-California Avenue frontage. They are driven by
the need to densify the site to move houses away from localized TCE areas,
which is a conservative move. We are not narrowing Amherst Street. That
is a misread of the plan. This is not about Stanford being right or wrong or
trying to get away with things. This about the DTSC's review of the site, review of the plan, and Haley and Aldrich's sampling and investigation of it.
Basically, the allegation has been made that DTSC has made mistakes in its
application of standards. I would like DTSC to say a few words in response
to that. Also, it basically has been alleged that Haley and Aldrich's sampling
has been inadequate. I would like them to be able to respond to that quickly
too, if I may please. First of all, it'll be Dr. Kimi Klein, Toxicologist from
DTSC.
Dr. Kimi Klein, Department of Toxic Substances Control (DTSC): Good
evening. I'm Dr. Kimi Klein. I'm the toxicologist assigned to this site. I've
been charged to review the health risk assessment portion of the reports
that have been submitted to our department. I've been asked to talk a little
bit about the screening levels. I presume that you're speaking of two sets of
screening levels. One set of screening levels has to do with what we expect
to be the safe levels of TCE in this case in indoor air that we would actually
be breathing. There are two different screening levels. One is 0.48
micrograms per meter3, a small number. That value represents the amount
of TCE that you must breathe every day for your lifetime, for 30 years or so
in the same residence, 24/7 basically. We do let you take a couple of days
off for vacation a year, but basically it's for your lifetime. I'll just say
parenthetically that 30 years in one home is a pretty long time, but this is a
very conservative assumption that we use within the regulatory agency. The
second screening level is two micrograms per meter3, which is a larger
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number. That number represents the amount of TCE that could be indoor
air that would really trigger an action. That is to say, we would like to see
something to be done about it. The main reason for that is because of what
was mentioned before. This is not a value based on the potential of getting
cancer, but it is based on the potential of a cardiac defect in a young fetus in
the first trimester of pregnancy. That's one set of screening levels that deals
with indoor air. There's another set of screening levels which was also presented tonight, that represent the safe level or, we would say, the
acceptable level of soil gas in soil that would not cause an increase in those
levels in indoor air. As you saw the cartoon before that was presented,
there's soil gas down here. Through diffusion and then evection, it can get
into indoor air. We have a separate set of screening levels for soil gas.
Those levels are much higher than those levels that I just stated. That's
because we have to make the assumption about the molecules being able to
get from depth to an area by pressure differential between the indoor air
and the soil can get into the indoors. Those levels are 16 micrograms per
meter3, 480 and the last numbers that were greeted with gasps, 11,000 to
53,000 micrograms. The units are all the same for all three of these. I want
to just say one thing—I don't see a little light here.
Mayor Burt: Dr. Klein, I've excluded your time from Stanford's rebuttal,
given that you are representing the people of California.
Ms. Klein: Thank you. I just want to state somewhat—the difference
between the site-specific number that we consider safe at this site of 11,000
to 53,000 is because these other smaller numbers are based on the
assumption that soil is made up of sands. That is to say, very permeable,
very easily subjected to evictive forces, the forces of pressurization. Also,
you can imagine the molecules more easily kind of diffusing through the
sand than through a very dense clay which is the case at 1601 South
California. That is really the reason for the difference in these values. I'll
give up my time to—I think there's another speaker who wants to speak. I'll
be very happy to answer any questions later.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. We may have some. Now, we'll continue with
Stanford's time.
Susan Gallardo, Haley & Aldrich, Inc.: Good evening. I'm Susan Gallardo.
I'm with Haley and Aldrich, environmental consultant on behalf of Stanford.
I am a civil engineer. I've been an environmental practitioner for over 30
years. I wanted to just speak a little bit about the sampling program that
occurred at the 1601 California Avenue site. I think there's been some
questions about the adequacy of the investigation. A site investigation is
basically a phased process. We start with a historical review of all the
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information regarding former site operations and features. Then, we go into
a phased approach in terms of the sampling. Basically, what I mean by
that, sometimes you find something unexpected that causes you to do
additional sampling. As you know, sampling has been conducted at this site
since 2004 with more of a focus between a timeframe of about 2013 to
2015. During that time, just in terms of general inventory, there's been 118
soil vapor probes that were installed at 51 locations. From those probes, there were 130 samples that were collected over time. We got some
temporal indication of what the data would look like. Shallow soil samples
were collected during demolition at 16 locations, followed by 23 borings that
were installed down to depths of 35 feet or so. This doesn't include prior
sampling locations that were extended down as far as about 60 feet at the
site. There were over 500 samples that were taken; however, those
samples were associated with the remediation of the TCE-impacted soil and
not really the subject of our topic tonight. I think the Council has in front of
them over 900 pages of analytical data, a 700-page report of the analyses.
Thank you.
Public Hearing closed at 8:03 P.M.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. We'll now return to the Council. We need to make any disclosures of ex parte communications that we have had. Vice Mayor
Scharff.
Vice Mayor Scharff: I had a conversation with the applicant today. I didn't
learn anything that hasn't been already discussed in either the applicant's
discussion or by Staff.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Berman.
Council Member Berman: I had a brief phone call with the applicant today,
and I didn't learn anything that isn't in the public record.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: I had a brief conversation with, I think, just one
member of the public. It was about a letter that had been submitted. The
information is contained.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: I had two conversations with the applicant, one
several months ago and one yesterday about this, but nothing that's not in
the record.
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Mayor Burt: I had a conversation with Jean McCown from the applicant's
side as well as Lenny Siegel from the community. We will now continue with
returning to the Council for discussion. Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: Can I first just address the procedural issue here?
The subject has been raised and I have the question too, having served
several years on the Planning and Transportation Commission. If there are
changes to streets and 29 buildings relocated, it seems to me that should have to go back to the Architectural Review Board (ARB) and to the Planning
and Transportation Commission. The project is here for a subdivision map
act. Shouldn't we also have to go to the Planning Commission for that? I
want to start out with just the procedural question. I'm confused why we're
doing the process the way we are.
Cara Silver, Senior Assistant City Attorney: Thank you, Council Member
Holman. Cara Silver, Senior Assistant City Attorney. The reason why we
are at this juncture is because the tentative subdivision map has already
been approved and the final map has already been approved by the Council.
Once the final map has been approved and recorded, there are two ways to
amend the final map. The first way is to really make technical, minor
corrections. That was the procedure that Mr. Balin had indicated in his opening remarks, that he thought was improper. We do agree that this
situation does not fit within that statutory procedure. There is a second
way, though, to amend a final map. That goes directly to the Council.
There is not a requirement that it go to the Planning and Transportation
Commission. The Council needs to make the four findings that are in the
Staff Report. Basically the bulk of the findings are their changed
circumstances, as Director Gitelman mentioned in her opening remarks.
Council Member Holman: What about ARB and circulation, because at least
one roadway has changed. Circulation on this site has, thus, changed. The
ARB is supposed to look at not only building design, which they're not doing
here, but site layout and circulation. That isn't happening here either.
Ms. Silver: This, of course, is governed by the Development Agreement and
the particular ARB rules applicable to this site. The application only requires
ARB review of the outer area, the California Avenue fronting sites. Because
this particular reconfiguration does not touch that area, it was determined it
didn't need to go back to ARB for review.
Council Member Holman: The application doesn't require it or the
Development Agreement doesn't require it?
Ms. Silver: The application for the new layout does not touch the California
Avenue frontage.
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Council Member Holman: I was trying to get at is it the Development
Agreement that determines that only the perimeter buildings get reviewed or
is it the application? I was ...
Ms. Silver: I see. It's the Development Agreement that specifies a
particular Zoning Code standard and ARB review.
Council Member Holman: Would that apply also to any changes to the
streets for circulation? Did Fire look at—we have a difference of opinion about whether something changed or not in terms of street width or
configuration. Did the Fire Department look at it and what about ARB and
the circulation?
Ms. Silver: I'll defer to Jodie on that one.
Ms. Gerhardt: The Fire Department has reviewed the amendment to the
subdivision. They signed off on the review pretty quickly and were not even
given the re-submittal plans. They were fine with the revisions.
Council Member Holman: I don't think we had anything that indicated that,
unless I overlooked it. There's a lot of documentation, so it's possible. Did
we have anything that demonstrated that?
Ms. Gerhardt: Working with the Fire Department is part of our regular
planning review process. I have a lot of paperwork as well. I'd have to dig through and find it for you.
Council Member Holman: Mayor Burt, I have several questions. Do you
want me to hit a few and then come back? I don't want to take up so much
time.
Mayor Burt: I realized that I actually need to take a break to be able to
confer with Staff on a procedural issue. Let's go ahead and take a five
minute break, and then we'll return and continue.
Council took a break from 8:09 P.M. to 8:17 P.M.
Mayor Burt: I know that Council Member Holman has some more questions,
but let's go ahead and proceed. Council Member Berman.
Council Member Berman: You have to give me a second to get back in the
mindset. I had a couple of questions, some of which have been addressed.
One had to do with this issue of horizontal migration that was raised by, I
think, Mr. Siegel. What is the applicant's response to concerns that
horizontal migration of these vapors might be occurring at this site? What
does Staff think about that as well? Let me start with the applicant.
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Ms. Gallardo: Through our investigation, we did an extensive evaluation of
what we call lithology or the types of soils beneath the site. Our results
actually indicated that the vapors were pretty much where we would have
expected them to be, given the fact that we had the vapors because they
were in the coarser (inaudible) units.
Council Member Berman: I'm sorry. They were in the what?
Ms. Gallardo: The sand (inaudible) the coarser-grained units. In some cases where we had a lot of the finer-grained clay soils, we actually couldn't
even get flow out of those samples. With respect to kind of lateral
migration, unlike the figure that's been up on the screen, we actually have
surrounded the locations where we have the vapor. Something that's
important to understand is that the release of the TCE likely occurred at
least about three decades ago. The suspect feature, a sump, where TCE—
again, where we understand that it was released, was not in use past that
time. Our feeling is that what we're seeing out at the site are basically
steady-state conditions. Again, as you saw all along California Avenue, we
didn't have concentrations of concern with respect to the vapor.
Council Member Berman: Thanks. Does Staff have any follow-up?
Ms. Gitelman: Thank you, Council. We, of course, reviewed the materials from the applicant's experts and found them to be logical. I would defer to
the State representative from DTSC in terms of their evaluation of that
material. They did evaluate the risk assessment and accept the conclusion.
My presumption is that they agree that this is not a condition of concern.
Council Member Berman: Just so I get an understanding of exactly what's
before us today and what Council can do. There are process issues and
concerns about whether or not they should have gone back to ARB and some
of those issues I'm sure we'll talk about. In addition to that, what is within
our purview here? Do we have the ability to require additional mitigations,
require Stanford do certain things to ...
Ms. Gitelman: Just in summary, we've put before you a proposed Record of
Land Use Action. I think it is possible that you could add some findings and
further stipulations to that Record of Land Use Action. In fact, we got a late
letter from Mr. Ross that we haven't had an opportunity yet to respond to.
One of the issues he raises is about Comprehensive Plan consistency. In
response to that comment, we would suggest to the Council that we add to
the Record of Land Use Action a reference back to the Record of Land Use
Action at the time the tentative map was approved. There's a detailed
explanation there that is not in the current materials. I think the Council
does have a potential to add to this Record of Land Use Action. We have
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some suggestions about conditions that you could add to reflect the
agreement on Stanford's part to undertake certain mitigation measures. I'm
sure the applicant would be happy to consider other questions from the
Council. At the end of that process, we could review the Record of Land Use
Action and talk about the potential additions.
Council Member Berman: Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Vice Mayor Scharff.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Thank you. I'm trying to wrap my head around this in
a sort of larger thing. What I got from Staff—what is it? The memo that
was written in response to, I guess, Mr. Balin's concerns was signed by
yourself and the City Manager. What I took out of that memo—I want to
make sure I'm understanding it correctly—is that we're looking at the narrow
issue of whether or not to approve the subdivision amendment, map act
amendment. That regards seven homes which would be moved off of the
hotspot site. DTSC has looked at that specific issue and said that is the right
thing to do. Is that correct?
Ms. Gitelman: DTSC has looked at the risk assessment and all of the
suggestions that Stanford made. That's relocating the homes. It's the 10-
inch slab. It's the vapor intrusion barriers and other measures that were included as suggestions in that risk assessment. DTSC, in my
understanding, looked at the whole sum total and concurred that if all these
things took place, the risk was acceptable.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Is the DTSC person here?
Ms. Gitelman: Yes.
Mayor Burt: That's Dr. Klein.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Dr. Klein. Is that the DTSC person?
Mayor Burt: Yes.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Is it all right if I ask some questions of the DTSC
person? If it's fine with the Mayor.
Mayor Burt: That's fine.
Vice Mayor Scharff: My guess of this—I'm not familiar with it. DTSC is the
State agency that deals with toxic substances. Department of Toxic
Substances, right?
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Mark Piros, Unit Chief DTSC: I'm Mark Piros. I'm Unit Chief who's
responsible for the South Bay counties including Santa Clara County. With
the cleanup program, what we address is anywhere where there has been
releases or suspected releases of hazardous substances is the jurisdiction of
our cleanup program. Of course, DTSC also has a hazardous management
program which has to do with the day-to-day management of hazardous
waste.
Vice Mayor Scharff: What we've been asked to do is approve a subdivision
map change, which is moving those houses. DTSC has looked at that and
said that that's the appropriate thing to do?
Ms. Klein: Yes, we did look at that. Yes, we concurred that those were the
appropriate measures to make, and that they were kind of above and
beyond what they could have agreed to do. For example, there's the slab
that's going to be under-laying these residences. It's going to be a very
thick slab, and they're going to be under a tension. They will be very
resistant to cracking. If you had a slab that cracked, of course, then you
can imagine that there could be some molecules if present in the subsurface
soil could creep up through the slab and into indoor air spaces. That was
one item that we were very pleased with, that they were going to put under the residences a thicker slab that was under tension, that would be very
resistant to cracking over time. The other thing that they are doing is
putting in a vapor barrier which is a sprayed-on vapor barrier that is
designed to prevent penetration of molecules of TCE up through that barrier
and then into the slab and then up. Another thing I just want to point out is
that in our the risk assessment that was performed, we—I think it was
mentioned in the formal presentation that the soil vapor plume is actually
very deep. It is not close to the surface, but it's rather deep. The risk
assessment assumed that depth. In the actual development, there is going
to be an additional fill—I think it has already been put in place, I'm not
sure—of 10-15 feet of compacted dirt, engineered fill that is going to also
provide a deeper cap than was assumed in the risk assessment. For all
those reasons for these different lines of evidence, we concurred—I should
say the Human and Ecological Risk Division part of DTSC concurred with
those recommendations.
Vice Mayor Scharff: What I understood from the Staff Report was that there
could be—the building permit wouldn't be issued by our department until
there was a no action letter issued by DTSC.
Mr. Piros: That's one point I'd like to clarify. I think this site actually—we're
seeing it as two distinctly different areas. There's the area where the
development is proposed, that's been primarily addressed by the risk
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assessment. A determination was made there, but you also have the area of
significant impact. In the approval letter—it was the supplemental
investigation of risk assessment report. In our approval letter, specifically
that that area—DTSC had to approve the measures proposed for that area.
That area remains to be addressed.
Vice Mayor Scharff: That's what I was trying to understand. You're still
looking at this, and that no building permit will be issued until you're satisfied. That's what I took out of the Staff Report. I just wanted to make
sure that was correct. Maybe it’s not.
Ms. Gitelman: If I could clarify our statement. My understanding is that the
area where DTSC still needs to agree to management controls is the open
space area where those hotspots occur. What we were suggesting as Staff
is one way for us, the City, to ensure that all this reaches a conclusion
expeditiously is to say that we will withhold issuing building permits for the
seven homes that are closest to those hotspots. That's something we would
impose, not DTSC.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Got it. We would impose that. Do you think that's an
appropriate thing to impose?
Mr. Piros: Yes.
Vice Mayor Scharff: This is difficult because obviously none of us up here
are experts in this area. We obviously have the concern of safety both for
the Stanford residents who would be there and for the College Terrace
residents. Is there any reason why we wouldn't do this? Why we wouldn't
make those changes from a safety perspective?
Mr. Piros: I'm sorry, can you state specifically which changes are you ...
Vice Mayor Scharff: Is there any reason why we wouldn't approve the
subdivision map changes tonight, for instance? Is there any reason we
wouldn't do that that would enhance safety? That's the real question.
Mr. Piros: Not that I can think of, no. The risk assessment only says did it
address the proposed development area. The other area of significant
impact still remains to be addressed.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Mr. Siegel raised the issue of putting in the pipe that
goes up, that takes out the vapor, basically, and concentrates it, I guess,
and distributes it up into the sky. I thought that was a—that's what I took
out of his presentation of what he thought should be done. That's obviously
not one of the requirements that you have imposed. Obviously, he said he
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spoke with you. I wanted an understanding of why that is not the
appropriate solution or why it wasn't imposed or your reaction to that.
Mr. Piros: Why it was not imposed is based on the findings of the risk
assessment. We didn't conclude that there is a significant risk in the area.
Now, as Mr. Siegel pointed out, what he was discussing is something that is
addressed in the DTSC guidance. The primary difference between what
Stanford is proposing and what Mr. Siegel is proposing—Stanford is proposing a barrier to keep the TCE from migrating upward in the buildings.
What Mr. Siegel is suggesting basically would be the addition of a layer
under that barrier, something to—basically you're ventilating out underneath
the barrier. Correct me if I'm wrong, Lenny. I think that's the primary
difference. He's proposing basically the addition of a layer underneath to
give any TCE—here we're talking an area that we determined is relatively
low levels of TCE—that migrates upward, give it a pathway to be ventilated
out from underneath the building. Again, why we didn't impose it is because
we determined—based on our risk assessment, we didn't determine there
was a significant risk in that area.
Vice Mayor Scharff: You didn't impose it because you didn't think there was
a significant risk in the area.
Mr. Piros: Yes.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Briefly, I guess when I looked at this report—thank you
very much for your responses. Those were helpful. What I took out of the
Staff Report is that—I guess I didn't see the connection between approving
this tonight and what's going on in College Terrace. I just wanted to make
sure that I understood it correctly and that Staff is basically saying there is
no connection. Mr. Balin's sampling and the information that is helpful to
DTSC in terms of any mitigation plan they may come up with or what may
go in College Terrace, but there's really no relationship between what we're
asked to do tonight and the issues with the College Terrace neighborhood.
Ms. Gitelman: Thank you, Vice Mayor Scharff. Again, I think it's potentially
an issue of real concern. We're looking forward to seeing how DTSC
evaluates the data that Mr. Balin and the neighbors have submitted to them.
Based on what we understand to be the characterization of the soil
composition on the site and the evaluation of the risk assessment by DTSC
and their conclusions, we don't see the connection between what may or
may not exist onsite and the offsite locations.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Thank you.
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Ms. Gitelman: Again, we're laypeople. If you wanted to put the question to
the experts retained by Stanford or to DTSC, I think the Council could do so.
Vice Mayor Scharff: I'll put the question, if it's all right with you, to DTSC.
The question I just asked.
Jovanne Villamater, DTSC: Hello, my name's Jovanne Villamater. I'm the
Project Manager with the Department of Toxic Substances Control. Is there
a specific question that you would ...
Vice Mayor Scharff: Yeah. The specific question is what we're asked to do
tonight, which is approve the subdivision map act. I saw no connection
between doing that and the concerns in College Terrace. My understanding
is College Terrace neighbors have submitted to DTSC their samples, their
information. I guess I wanted to—I saw no connection between the two. If
I'm missing something—I'm not an expert in this area and Staff say's they're
not either. Is there a connection between the two or do they run on
separate tracks? What happens?
Ms. Villamater: From DTSC's perspective, we have two things going on
here. We have the site and whether or not the site has been characterized
and the risk assessment is accurate for how the site is right now. There is a
concern about whether or not there is an impact on the neighboring community. At this point in time, we do have the information from the
community, and we are still evaluating it. We intend to respond to their
report via comments and questions and just a general dialog to understand
how their study was conducted. However, I do not think that whatever we
discover in the neighborhood would impact the decision already made on the
site. If we were to find out that there is an impact on the neighborhood, we
would figure out a way to try to mitigate what's going on. I do not see that
impacting the decision made that there is no significant risk with respect to
the development that was planned.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Approving this would in no way be a negative for the
neighborhood or impact them in a worse way or make things worse or
anything like that (crosstalk)?
Ms. Villamater: I do not see that.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Thank you.
Ms. Villamater: He wants to say something.
Mr. Piros: One thing I'd just like to add too. As far as this being a separate
issue, not saying it's—the detections in College Terrace are separate from
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the site. I don't think that was by any means what we were trying to
convey. It's not. We don't see a connection between the proposed housing
development and what's detected. I just want to make that distinction.
We're not saying it's a separate issue from the site. We're saying it is
potentially a site-related issue. I just wanted to make that clarification.
Vice Mayor Scharff: That's helpful. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: While you're here, I'd like to ask a follow-up question on the same subject. We have a boundary that's been established on the periphery
of the contamination on the site. We had an understanding or an assertion
that the clay soils presented horizontal barriers from that area where it's
contaminated to beyond there. We've recently seen that we have
contamination across the street in College Terrace. Does that imply that the
clay separation may not be continuous at all locations from the boundaries
that we've found of the contamination on the site to beyond those
boundaries?
Mr. Piros: With the investigation that's been done, there has been some
variability found in a soil. I won't say it's clay, but usually you talk about
finer-grain, siltier-clay soils, so that it is predominantly finer-grain soils that
have been found on the site. There has been some variability observed. The other thing too is with soil gas, anytime you have contamination of soil
gas, the other thing is there is potential for preferential pathways. Whether
you have utilities that have base rock bedding around it, I'm not saying that
that's necessarily the case here. I think what's been found at the site is
where you have relatively—it's still finer-grain soils but maybe a little bit
more permeability that it tends to travel along those channels. As far as just
saying it's all clay and it's just this—that's really simplifying it.
Mayor Burt: That's actually what I assumed. From just a general
understanding of the way that we have various versions of, we'll call them,
subterranean streams but not quite streams in this area. I was trying to find
it in our packet, and I regret I couldn't. I'm sure it's in the EIR. The
sampling that was done outside of the boundary area along what I'll call the
southeast edge of California Avenue, the edge that's part of the site, how
extensively did we sample everything in between the areas where
contamination was found onsite and the California Avenue edge of the
project.
Mr. Piros: I may have to defer to someone else on that. I'm not the
technical person on it, so I might have to defer to somebody else on it.
Ms. Gallardo: I'd like to have my colleague also maybe address the question
that you're asking about the relationship between the site and what the
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College Terrace study has found so far. There was a figure that was actually
a Haley and Aldrich figure that was put up here previously, that showed the
area where we have the higher concentrations of TCE at the 1601 California
Avenue site and then showed the boring locations between that area and
California Avenue. I don't know if that would be helpful to put that back up.
Mayor Burt: If that can be pulled back up, that'd be great. I don't know if
anybody knows where it is.
Ms. Gitelman: I think that was one of the public's graphics. That wasn't in
our presentation.
Mayor Burt: We'll wait.
Ms. Gallardo: Meanwhile, if it's okay, I'll have my colleague talk about the
relationship with the sampling.
Peter Scaramella, Haley & Aldrich: My name is Peter Scaramella. I'm with
Haley and Aldrich. There was a preliminary screening done at College
Terrace. I think there was 21 homes that were sampled. There was TCE
detected, but that's, I would say, a preliminary screening. It's a big leap to
then take that data and make conclusions that it's related to the site. We
don't know anybody about the buildings, when they were sampled ...
Mayor Burt: You say—I'm sorry. Let me pause there. You say that’s a big leap. We had a source on the site, a former Hewlett-Packard (HP)
underground sump. It's the only known source of TCE in that immediate
area. There could have been incidental dumping on soils in past decades in
addition to the sump. When we see TCE including in the subbasement
areas, I can understand an assertion that we don't have definitive proof that
it is from that location. I don't understand the assertion that it's a big leap
to think that it very well may be from that.
Mr. Scaramella: TCE is a very common chemical. It's detected all over the
South Bay, in sites in Palo Alto, Mountain View, throughout. It's also in
consumer products that are still used today. It's not just associated with
Research and Development (R&D) facilities like this one and semiconductors,
but also automotive repairs. It's ...
Mayor Burt: We don't have any automotive repairs here. We found it in
the—it was found in the crawlspace and not just in the homes. That implies
it's not from any consumer products that may have been used there or
otherwise. It's coming from the soil. I want to make sure we have a
conversation that is not based upon hypotheticals that really aren't well-
founded.
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Ms. Gallardo: Just to the hypothetical and not well founded. We've looked
at the information that's been generated. We're not questioning the fact
whether TCE was detected or not. Right now, in terms of establishing a
relationship between the site and what has been detected in College Terrace
neighborhood is what we don't know. For instance, as Pete mentioned, TCE
is actually found in a number of consumer products. We don't have any
information about where the samples were taken relative to what potentially could be in a home. Typically, when you do an indoor air sampling program,
one of the things you do is you actually do take an inventory of the products
that you have in your home.
Mayor Burt: Just a second. First, my questions were originally directed to
DTSC. I'm going to want to return to them in a moment. That seems to be
ignoring the crawlspace issue. That's what I had already referred to. Either
way, I would be comfortable with an assertion that there has not been able
to be established a correlation. I'm very uncomfortable with an assertion
that it's a big leap to think there might be. I'll just make that as a personal
statement. I'd like to return to the DTSC people. As the objective third
party who is acting in the interests of the people, not an applicant and not
any particular appellant, but as scientists looking at this as objectively as possible, are you able to think that there could very well be a correlation
between the original sump site and what has been found across the street or
do you think that that is a remote possibility?
Mr. Piros: Actually I think the way you just stated it actually characterized it
pretty well. Given the proximity to this site, you can't discount the site as a
potential source of that. I think the thing you just stated, that the
correlation hasn't been established, I agree with how you just actually stated
it.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Council Member Schmid.
Council Member Schmid: If I could just follow up that discussion with the
DTSC. In our material, we received two notes that the DTSC sent to the
College Terrace group and the Public Environment Oversight Group on
March 18th. In the one to the Public Environment Oversight Group, there is
the section on Page 7 that says data collected at the site adequately
characterize the extent of migration of soil vapor. Thus, no additional
sampling is necessary. Down below, it says the investigation data
consistently indicate the absence of TCE above screening levels outside of
the operational area of 1601 South California. That is defined as the
residential area as more than 200 feet east of California and does not extend
to California Avenue. On Page 2 of the response to the College Terrace
Association, there's a sentence that says data collected at the California
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Avenue parcels demarcate the extent of soil vapor impacted by TCE based
on the sampling and subsequent evaluation conducted by the State. Soil
vapor with TCE at concentrations exceeding screening levels occurs more
than 200 feet east of California Avenue and does not extend to California
Avenue. Those are pretty clear, definitive statements. That's the material
we have to base our decision on. Let me ask again, do you think it would be
appropriate for Council Members, depending upon experts from the State, to endorse a zoning map based upon those kind of statements or should we
wait for your objective expertise on the information that has come from the
California residents west of California Avenue?
Mr. Piros: I think as far as the decision on this site, the data that you have
from—as far as making a decision on the zoning map, it's based on data
from the site. That's the data that we have at this point.
Council Member Schmid: You clearly extrapolated it and said we do not
need to do further sampling. The further sampling has opened up ...
Mr. Piros: At the time with the data we had, that was—we felt that that was
the correct conclusion. I think Ms. Gallardo mentioned during her talk that
sometimes investigation can be an iterative thing. When you do
investigation, you're never going to have 100 percent certainty. In fact, I think there's a USEPA guide that specifically status that, that there's a lot of
professional judgment involved. At the time, we believed—we thought it
was fairly well delineated. Of course, with the ...
Female: (inaudible)
Mr. Piros: I'm sorry if I didn't state that as I should. I lost my train of
thought. As far as the results we just got from the sampling by College
Terrace residents is new information which, of course, we have to consider.
I'm not sure if the proposed residential development has a lot of bearing
which with any investigation or follow-up evaluation that needs to occur to
address the results that have been found at College Terrace.
Council Member Schmid: That was one of the fundamental questions that
was asked at the beginning.
Mr. Piros: One of the other things I'd mention is there is the area of
significant chemical impact, which still remains to be addressed. We need to
make a final determination on what's going to occur there. At the least,
we're anticipating land use restrictions, but we do need to—in the response
to Mr. Siegel's group, I think we did state that there was going to be a
summary document that discussed the basis for the action. We are
anticipating that there is going to be—we (inaudible) the least land use
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restrictions, but we do need to consider whether other actions need to be
taken. We're not done with that area.
Council Member Schmid: Thanks.
Mr. Piros: That's the primary area where the problem appears to have
originated.
Council Member Schmid: Thank you very much.
Mayor Burt: Can I try to rephrase Council Member Schmid's question slightly? Do you think that, if you verify the sampling on the west side of
California Avenue, it may cause you to want to have additional information
about the site itself as a result of potentially finding TCE that may have
come from the 1601 source?
Mr. Piros: I think you mentioned just a minute ago about establishing a
correlation. I think potentially to establish that correlation, there may be
some sampling that may need to occur to establish that correlation.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Can I follow up on that?
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Vice Mayor Scharff.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Mayor Burt's question, the way I understood it—I just
want to hone in and make sure I understand it correctly. If the sampling
shows that there is TCE on the site and that does show a correlation, would that change any recommendations you have for this particular changes that
we're making in terms of the map, what's before us tonight? Or would you
come back and say we shouldn't have made these map changes because
something else? That's really the question before us; should we make these
map changes or not?
Ms. Villamater: No, because if we were able to establish a correlation, we
would have to find ways to mitigate the exposure across the street, but it
would not change the data that actually has been collected at the 1601 site.
No, we would not be changing our determination based on what has been
proposed as the layout in that risk assessment.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Any correlation you find or anything else wouldn't
change the layout, which is what we're asked to do tonight, to look at the
layout.
Ms. Villamater: No, we do not. No.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Thank you.
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Mayor Burt: Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: I appreciate this line of questioning. I have a few
others, but I'm going to stay focused on follow-up, which is why I put my
light in. If there's not a correlation, you said it's not a separate issue earlier.
Let's just say that the residents side, the California Avenue neighborhood
side, if you do your work and your response to what's been done so far, let's
say that indicates there needs to be more testing done, where I'm trying to link these up or not is while I can see the logic of "it doesn't have anything
to do with the layout of the project on the east side." This is more of a
question for Staff I guess. If we approve the project on the east side and
there is mitigation and more tests that need to be done on the west side,
who pays? That's the link that I'm wondering if it exists. If we've already
approved the Stanford project and mitigation needs to be done, who pays
for that?
Ms. Gitelman: A little outside my area of expertise, but I think it's not just a
question of whether the testing proves accurate in finding TCE above the
thresholds, but can a correlation be established between what is found
offsite and this site or some other source. That would determine whose
responsibility ...
Council Member Holman: I understand.
Mayor Burt: Can I try and answer that, Council Member Holman? Let me
just try and answer your question. The responsible party will pay either way
or be pursued either way. We can let the experts from DTSC—that's actually
their expertise rather than our Staff.
Council Member Holman: I guess my question is would the neighbors have
to—let's just say there is a correlation. Who knows? None of us know
exactly at this point in time. Let's just say there is a correlation established.
Do the neighbors have to sue to get the mitigation done? What's the
mechanism—how does that happen so the neighbors aren't just on the hook
for mitigating and remediating what they find on their site? Presuming that
there's a connection found.
Mr. Piros: I think it depends on basically what's the mechanism that it's
getting there by. One thing I think we have to look at is are there any
preferential pathways. I think if there are some preferential pathways, we
may ask Stanford to do something in that regards. If it's another source,
we'd have to—the State always has the option of taken enforcement action if
necessary any time anybody's a responsible party.
Council Member Holman: I'm sorry, go ahead.
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Mr. Piros: I don't know that there is another source. Sounds like this has
been a residential area for a long time. Hypothetically speaking, if there was
another source, we do have mechanisms of pursuing action by anybody
that's caused contamination.
Council Member Holman: There's doesn't have to be a linkage. If
something's discovered and there needs to be a mitigation/remediation, that
can be enacted by your entity without cost to, in this case, let's say homeowners.
Mr. Piros: We can pursue action. I won't say ...
Council Member Holman: Tell me what that means. Be more specific.
Pursuing action, what does that mean?
Mr. Piros: It's hard for me to generalize because it varies specifically. If you
do have—any time there is a contaminated site or DTSC has established that
somebody has caused a release, we do have enforcement authority. Like I
said, that's speaking very generally.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Holman, I think it's an important distinction
that that—I'll ask the DTSC folks to confirm my understanding. That's
independent of the land use action. It's not contingent on it. It's not
actually even related to it. We may wish it were, but it's not.
Council Member Holman: That's what I was trying to determine.
Mayor Burt: That's what I was trying to tell you.
Council Member Holman: The other thing that I wanted to ask you, if I
could please. There's been mentioned a couple or three times that it was
written somewhere in all this stuff that we have to read that these chemicals
are found in paint and all kinds of different things. Some of the levels that
have been at least preliminarily discovered in the residential properties, how
much—is there any way of knowing how much—let's just use something,
paint. How much paint would one have to have onsite to cause those levels
of testing results? I'm not asking you for 72 gallons or 15,000 gallons. Is it
reasonable to think that a residential property could have that much of
something that would contain those TCEs to create that kind of a reading?
Mr. Piros: I don't think it takes much. I think actually Mr. Siegel mentioned
one case where somebody with gun cleaner. I believe it was a site in San
Leandro where, I think, gun cleaner was also the culprit. That's one
example I can give you. If somebody goes to clean their gun and they're
using gun cleaner, it can—in the case of one DTSC site in San Leandro, there
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was a significant detection. It was attributed to the person using gun
cleaner in the residence.
Council Member Holman: That was a significant reading?
Mr. Piros: Yes. It was above the human health risk-based screening level.
Council Member Holman: I have a couple of other questions, but they aren't
related to this specific thing.
Ms. Klein: I just want to interject one thing. When I talked about the screening levels in indoor air, they are very low, 0.48 micrograms per cubic
meter. It really doesn't take very much of a consumer product. You could
open a marking pen in the vicinity of where the measurement is being
taken, and you could possibly see enough of that stuff coming off a marking
pen that it would impact the measurement. With respect to TCE, TCE is not
only found in gun cleaner or in automotive products, which you said really
wouldn't be around, but you would also find it in rug cleaners and arts and
crafts adhesives. It is really pretty predominant in a lot of products.
Mayor Burt: Can I quickly ask? Does the presence in the crawlspace
significantly imply a different source?
Ms. Klein: I think that the crawlspace issue is one that we can't answer
specifically because one of the questions that I would have is what is the configuration of that crawlspace, could it ever have been used as a storage
area that somebody would just ...
Mayor Burt: For marking pens or whatever?
Ms. Klein: No. For paint thinners—actually that's not a good example. Rug
cleaners or—I don't know. I'm just saying that I don't know, but that was
one of the questions that we have about whether there was any use to those
crawlspaces.
Mayor Burt: That's the distinction I would make between hypothetical
possibilities, and what I was referring to was implication. My question was
when we have a series of homes with it in the crawlspace, does that provide
an implication that it's not probably from those home usages. Not a proof,
an implication.
Mr. Piros: Like I mentioned, I think we cannot discount the data or the
sampling results that have been presented to us and the possibility of this
site being a source. Again, as we talked about, we have to establish the
correlation. Seeing it in the crawlspace—there was one home we saw that
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there was nothing detected in the crawlspace but in the indoor air space we
see a detection. To me, that's a little suspect. To me it suggests a source
that may be indoor. If you're seeing it in the crawlspace, there is a
possibility it may be coming from the subsurface.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: I guess there's really a couple of key questions
here that kind of fall under the broader category of how much do we want to apply the precautionary principle here. How much do we want to be very
risk averse, potentially to the degree of preventing any action versus how
much do we want to move forward in the face of risk and potentially cause
harm to residents? That's kind of how I'm looking at this. The two areas of
concerns, that a couple of my colleagues have mentioned, is onsite and
offsite. On the proposed development and also in the neighboring
residences in College Terrace. Let me start with onsite questions and
concerns. We've had some discussion about the remediation, the mitigation
efforts proposed by Stanford. One of which is moving the properties. The
properties are being moved to increase safety to residents on the future site.
That's a positive step towards increasing safety in the face of TCE
contamination onsite. There is a proposed vapor barrier a significant slab as well as some extra dirt or extra soil. A number of remediation efforts that
have been proposed by the applicant to increase safety for future residents
on the site. I just want to make sure I'm clear on that after all the
discussion we've had. There is a suggestion from some that we go a step
further, to include sub-slab depressurization or ventilation, either passive or
active ventilation. That's been proposed; it's been discussed this evening.
The applicant has not planned to include that. DTSC says that it's not
necessary. I would be curious to hear whether that would include any
exorbitant cost, whether that's something that in addition to the remediation
efforts already proposed, if that's something that the applicant had
considered or if it's something that was novel and suggested to the applicant
only recently so that they haven't thought about it or if they've gone through
thinking about, "Maybe we should put in some sub-slab depressurization or
ventilation and it's just way too expensive." I'm just curious how much
that's been considered at this point by the applicant.
Mr. Wuthmann: It definitely has been considered prior to Mr. Siegel's
suggestions. He has often referred to if it's good enough for Mountain View,
it's good enough for Palo Alto. The area of Mountain View where this is
primarily being applied, the geologic situation there, conditions are very,
very different from the conditions at our site. There is shallow groundwater
there. There's a very large groundwater plume there. DTSC commented
earlier that what we are proposing is above and beyond, above and beyond
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what typically is proposed with the 10-inch-thick post-tensioned slabs and
the vapor barrier on top of moving the houses. Because it's our preference
to go that far but not put in a system that requires ongoing maintenance by
our faculty and because of the extra comfort provided by the above and
beyond we are doing, that is where we are at, at this point.
Council Member Wolbach: How much—just so I have maybe a ballpark of
how much ...
Mr. Wuthmann: It's not a cost issue. It's absolutely not a cost issue.
There's very significant costs in the foundations we're doing and the vapor
barriers we're doing. It's absolutely not a cost issue.
Council Member Wolbach: If it's not a cost issue and it would increase
comfort for those of us on the Council and on the Staff and in the community
concerned about the safety of future residents, is it something that the
applicant could still consider adding in addition to those measures which
have already been discussed and proposed?
Mr. Wuthmann: If we were to consider it, it would frankly be at our
discretion. It is a—yeah, that's (inaudible). Our feeling is that it is a
comfort perception. It is not necessary on top of the mitigations already
built into our assembly.
Council Member Wolbach: Thank you for your clear response on that. I will
have to consider that response. On neighborhood safety, the other big area
of concern here. Let me be clear. I think we're all thinking about these
various mitigation efforts, what the right path forward is. I do want to say I
do recognize that the purpose of us hearing this tonight, the purpose of the
reorganization of the plan is to increase safety. I do want to give the
applicant credit for doing that. The question is, is it enough, do we want to
go further especially if cost isn't the primary issue. As for neighborhood
safety, we've had a lot of discussion about how we can't say for sure that
any TCE detected at neighboring properties is necessarily a result of TCE at
this property. I don't know that that's even really the relevant question for
tonight. The question for tonight, for me at least, is if we allow this project
to move forward tonight and construction continues on this site and at a
later time it is identified hypothetically, as it is a possibility still, that
horizontal movement of TCE from this site may cause TCE contamination at
neighboring properties, if we allow this project to move forward, would that
in any way inhibit or preclude future mitigation efforts to isolate or remove
the TCE at this site? Are we closing any doors in the future if this
construction moves forward? That's, I think, my biggest concern. I want to
make sure that whatever happens on this site, does adding the homes on
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top of the property mean it's hard to do in the future some kind of additional
barriers to prevent horizontal transmission. Does it prevent future
opportunities for a deeper cleanup if that's deemed necessary in the future
in order to provide additional safety for neighboring residents?
Ms. Villamater: With respect to the onsite development, if there is a
correlation made and considering we have removed the source of TCE from
the site itself ...
Council Member Wolbach: The sump itself has been removed.
Ms. Villamater: The sump itself, correct. We don't see how it would—
considering how it happened approximately 30 years ago, we don't see any
of the data that we've collected so far changing if we were to do additional
data. That being said, we don't see how if you were to—I don't see us
adding additional measures, I should say, to be more protective because we
don't anticipate any changes in the data that we've already collected.
Council Member Wolbach: That's reassuring. My question is a little bit
different. It is a little bit of a hypothetical and perhaps it's not—it's perhaps
a little bit of hypothetical. If we did determine in the future that the TCE
that is remaining onsite, as there is some, if we determine in the future that
some horizontal transmission of that might be going across the street or going to adjacent properties and creating a contamination at those other
properties, would the construction of these homes prevent future cleanup or
future horizontal barriers?
Mr. Piros: I think in this case, if anything was to be done, it'd have to be
focused in the area of significant impact. Anytime you do a site cleanup,
you're usually going to target the source. The term "secondary source" is
used too basically where you have remaining high levels of contamination.
As far as (inaudible), we're talking about seeing maybe some exceedances
of the screening level. In terms of mediation, you look at potential remedial
methods. TCE, the type of contaminant we have here, one potential method
is soil vapor extraction. Usually when you get to these, you may be above
the screening level, but in terms of doing remediation, it's not real effective.
We do have some sites where we have soil vapor extraction being done.
What we're finding is we're starting to hit the—we're getting so much of a
reduction in contaminant concentrations and it starts to level out.
Council Member Wolbach: Point of diminishing returns basically.
Mr. Piros: I'm starting to get tired here, I think. That is what I was trying
to say.
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Council Member Wolbach: I'm picking up where you're going. We're on the
same wavelength.
Mr. Piros: I know we have a few drycleaner sites in the South Bay, where
our target was to get to unrestricted use levels. We're just not getting
there. The problem is you have clay soils that tends to limit your
movement. We're talking about potential migration, but it also does tend to
cause you problems when you're trying to—not only when it's migrating outward but when you're trying to pull it into your extraction well, it tends to
limit how well the TCE or other volatile organic compounds are moving
through the soil. What I'm saying is that as you radiate out from where we
believe the release originated, I don't know that—you look at what remedial
methods might be implemented. There's soil vapor extraction and certainly
excavation. You're excavating a lot of soil just to get what's in the void
space. There's not a lot of contaminant mask there.
Ms. Klein: I just want to add one thing about your question about vapor
migration horizontally. The applicant is going to be putting in vapor plugs to
prevent any offsite migration due to the utility lines that are being put in. I
just wanted to mention that as well.
Council Member Wolbach: That sounds like by allowing this project to move forward, we might decrease the possibility of horizontal transmission rather
than increase it or is that just an effort to make sure that the new
transmission lines put in as a result of the construction don't cause
additional horizontal transmission.
Ms. Villamater: The second.
Council Member Wolbach: Basically it's neutral. If there is a risk of
horizontal transmission, this project will neither increase nor decrease that
potential transmission. It didn't sound like—I guess I didn't get a super
clear answer, but I didn't hear any comments from DTSC that allowing this
to move forward would prevent future efforts to remediate or to protect the
neighboring communities. If anyone at DTSC has a different thought on
that, I'd love to hear it.
Ms. Villamater: I believe what you said is correct.
Council Member Wolbach: I think that's something for me to think about as
we move forward. Thanks.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Filseth.
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Council Member Filseth: Thanks very much. Just a couple of questions. I
just want to make sure that I understand what you said a minute ago and a
little bit earlier correctly. The way we got to this point is there's a plan. We
took a bunch of samples and we discovered there's a toxic plume down here.
The remediation for that is move some houses over here and do some other
stuff. That looks like it'll fix it. The neighbors went out, and they did some
of their testing across the street. The reason the remediation will work is because we're making certain assumptions about the soil and the mobility of
the vapors through it and so forth. The neighbors went and did some of
their own samples. They said, "Wait a second. We're seeing this stuff over
here where it's not supposed to be; therefore, your assumptions about how
much there is and what the transmissibility through the soil. Therefore, we
need to revisit this issue over here on 1601 California. If I understand what
I think I heard you say, it's no. Our data on 1601 California is still good. If
you've discovered stuff across the street and if it is related to the plume
that's under 1601 California, that's an issue we need to deal with across the
street, but it doesn't impact anything that we measured on the site itself. Is
that right?
Mr. Piros: Yes.
Council Member Filseth: Thank you. The other question is just to what Cory
asked a minute ago. I think he's asking if you foresee any circumstance,
based on what we find across the street and whether it's related to this,
where we might want to come back and dig a great big hole on 1601
California, but we can't because there's houses in the way. I think you said
no.
Mr. Piros: I'm sorry. I'm not sure I understand what you said about digging
a great big hole.
Council Member Filseth: His question about the modified design and
remediation, if I understand it right, is do you foresee any circumstance,
based on what we find across the street and so forth, you might come back
and say, "We need to dig a big hole in 1601 California in order to get rid of
this stuff," but we can't because we built a lot of houses on top of it. You
don't think that's likely to happen?
Mr. Piros: I don't foresee that. Usually, if you're going to dig excavation,
you have a very significant contaminant source. Like I said, even though
we're above screening levels, you're probably not talking massive
contaminants. The short answer to your question is no, I don't foresee that
we'd need to be digging a great big hole.
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Council Member Filseth: To summarize, the opinion I think we're hearing is
that the remediation proposed by Stanford with the 29 units from a
perspective of dealing with toxicity issues, which is different from sort of
architecture and design issues which a couple of people have brought up
too, is at least good enough. Irrespective of what they discovered across
the street, you don't think that would render that invalid?
Mr. Piros: No, I don't.
Council Member Filseth: Thanks.
Mayor Burt: Vice Mayor Scharff.
Vice Mayor Scharff: I really appreciate Council Member Filseth's and Council
Member Wolbach's summary of that. That was sort of where I was trying to
get to in my head, what you just stated. To summarize in my own way,
what I just heard was if we approve this, it does not put the neighbors in
any worse situation across the street. Approving this increases safety and
makes for a safer and better environment. Therefore, I haven't heard any
argument as to why we shouldn't approve this based on the toxicity issues.
Would that be a fair summary too?
Mr. Piros: I think so, yes.
Vice Mayor Scharff: With that, I'll move the Staff recommendation.
Council Member Kniss: I'll second it.
MOTION: Vice Mayor Scharff moved, seconded by Council Member Kniss to
adopt a Record of Land Use Action (ROLUA) regarding the Amendment to
the Final Map for Tract Number 10281.
Mayor Burt: You want to speak to your Motion?
Vice Mayor Scharff: I do. Obviously what I'm most concerned about here is
making sure that, one, the College Terrace neighbors are not put in any
worse situation. I haven't heard anyone articulate why they would suffer
from us doing this. The second thing is obviously I wouldn't want the new
Stanford residents to be in any danger. Frankly, I think it's unlikely that
Stanford would want to put their own residents in danger. I've got to say I
think that's unlikely. It is our job to look at that. We have DTSC telling us
that what Stanford is doing is appropriate. In fact, they're going above and
beyond. Given the fact they're going above and beyond—the only person
who has articulated anything that they should do more of is Mr. Siegel. I
wasn't completely happy with Stanford's answer; I thought it was not the
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best answer. I didn't DTSC say you should do this. If DTSC told me it would
be better to do this or that there's a reason to do it, I would include that in
the Motion frankly. I might even be open to including it in the Motion
anyway, frankly. That would depend on ... I think we should move forward
on this. I hope DTSC will take the neighbors concerns very carefully. I'm
sure they will. If there is contamination, I would expect the responsible
part, whoever that is, to step up. Hopefully, you guys will use whatever it is to get that done.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Kniss.
Council Member Kniss: Hearing that these two are quite separate, which is
certainly what I heard the entire group of you say, I'm seconding this
because I think we should follow the recommendations of Staff tonight. I
hope we'll continue to be aware of the neighbors' property and whether or
not there is any aspect of that that can be faulted on Stanford or in some
other way on another—someone way back when, maybe HP. I think you
probably cannot tell when that happened. Am I correct?
Mr. Piros: I'm sorry (inaudible).
Council Member Kniss: You probably don't know when the contamination
that the neighbors are speaking about could have happened?
Mr. Piros: No.
Council Member Kniss: As I understand it, testing probably wasn't done 30
years ago or 20 years ago. This is troubling. I feel bad for the neighbors,
but we've listened now for about 1 1/2 hours of testimony. It's pretty much
stayed the same. The consistency is what has made me second the Motion
and support the Vice Mayor Scharff's Motion to go forward. .
Mayor Burt: Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: We have focused primarily on the issue of the
toxics and that's appropriate. I do have a couple of other things to bring up.
Before I go there. Because it's so important, I do understand that if there's
an issue that has to be remediated, then whoever the responsible party is,
then DTSC has the authority to hold that entity responsible and accountable
for costs associated with that remediation or mitigation. Correct?
Mr. Piros: Yes.
Council Member Holman: That's not associated with approval of this project
then. Just a little clarification, if I can, around some issues around that. I'm
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supposing that the residents have paid for their own testing to this point in
time. Can they recoup that cost if it turns out to be—I'm not assuming one
way or the other. Let's just say for purposes of conversation, if there is a
link determined from the 1601 or whichever site, can the residents recoup
the costs of testing? At what point is more testing justified at whose
expense?
Mr. Piros: I think as far as recouping the cost, we don't really have a good way to accomplish that for the residents.
Council Member Holman: Say that again please. I'm sorry.
Mr. Piros: As far as recouping the residents' costs if a connection is
established, I don't have any past experience with other sites where I've
done that. I don't think we have a good mechanism to accomplish that. As
far as recouping their costs, I don't think we have a good way to accomplish
that. I'm sorry, what was the second part of your question?
Council Member Holman: A tangent to that. Let's just for the sake of
conversation say that you take a look at the samples—you have the samples
that they have submitted. If there's more testing that is merited, does
DTSC pay for that or do the neighbors have to also pay for that? What's the
consequence of that?
Mr. Piros: If it appears there is some connection to the site, we'd have to
request that Stanford do sampling. I think the first thing we need to do at
this point is just—with this being new information, usually when you're—as
far as the status in this correlation, usually what you do at the site is you
come up with what you consider the conceptual site model. I think that's
the first thing we need to do here; revisit our conceptual site model just to
try to determine how basically a TCE may have gotten from Point A to Point
B.
Council Member Holman: A point that Mr. Siegel brought up, a plan that
was up here earlier. If I get this incorrect, you'll correct me. There was one
of the homes that had been—I think it was a relocated home—that was 50
feet from the sample site, but not necessarily 50 feet from the
contamination. What would be your response to that? Did I capture that
correctly?
Mr. Piros: I might have to defer that question.
Ms. Gitelman: Council Member Holman, I think the suggestion was that the
site hadn't been characterized adequately by Mr. Siegel. He was saying that
it may be 50 feet from the hotspot that's identified, but perhaps not from
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contamination. That's a suggestion that the contamination hadn't been fully
identified, I thought.
Council Member Holman: That's correct. I think we're saying the same
thing. My question is, is that home far enough away from the point of larger
contamination. It wasn't clear if there had been done enough drilling done
or sampling done.
Ms. Gallardo: For most of the sampling location ...
Mayor Burt: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Just a second. Our procedures are that
members of the public or the applicants have to be called on to be able to
speak. Council Member Holman, if you want to ask a question of the
applicant or whoever.
Council Member Holman: You're welcome to respond to the question.
Ms. Gallardo: Sorry about that. For most of the sampling locations, there
was an additional sampling location between where we had a higher
concentration and then a low concentration before the home. The one
location that Mr. Siegel pointed out, there was in fact not an additional
sampling location to the home, but one right near or on that same lot, where
we did not get an elevated concentration of TCE.
Council Member Holman: If the sampling was on or near the lot and it didn't show much, that doesn't indicate necessarily to me that it was 50 feet from
the point of the intense toxic situation.
Ms. Gallardo: Honestly, I have not measured it. At that location, there is
not an issue of TCE beneath that home.
Council Member Holman: My other questions have to do with Staff. There
was something stated earlier that none of the streets had changed. Looking
at the maps, there is a new cul de sac, an Amherst Court. There was a
comment made also that there are now no sidewalks on Amherst. Can Staff
respond to those questions please?
Ms. Gerhardt: Related to the additional cul de sac off of Amherst, I assume
you're wanting to address the fire issue. Is that your concern with that one?
Council Member Holman: Width and fire issue both. Is it navigable? Is it
fire accessible? It looks to be a right-angle turn.
Ms. Gerhardt: Yes. That's the same as the other cul de sacs that are within
the development. Many years ago when this project was appealed to
Council, there were concerns about cul de sacs. There are on the other end
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of the property some much longer, sort of alleyways, cul de sacs. Those
were reviewed by the Fire Department at that time. It was found that
response time was sufficient. We don't see any issues with the newly
proposed cul de sac.
Council Member Holman: What about the removal, if it was removed, of
sidewalks on Amherst?
Ms. Gerhardt: To the best of my knowledge, both sidewalks are still proposed. I would ask the applicant to confirm that because I'm coming in
late on this project.
Council Member Holman: Please.
Mr. Wuthmann: Both of the sidewalks on Amherst Street are still in the plan
as they were when the tentative map and final map were approved. I think
what was being referred to is the new cul de sac does not have sidewalks in
it, just like the other cul de sacs in the plan do not have sidewalks in them.
I think that's what was trying to be stated.
Council Member Holman: The last question, I think, is for Staff. Then, I'll
have a couple of comments. The Record of Land Use Action seems to me to
be incomplete. You had mentioned the one Comprehensive Plan reference
that Bill Ross had mentioned. I don't see anything on here that says, which is typically the case—it's more the architectural review findings. Why
wouldn't it be here since the architecture has changed that the plans will be
built according to significant—be built—what is the language used?
According to the plan set submitted and approved on X date. There's
nothing here. It's not clear to me what the Council is actually approving in a
specific and identified manner according to the Record of Land Use Action.
Ms. Silver: There is an existing Record of Land Use Action that deals with all
of the conditions of approval, the architectural review, all of the standards
conditions. That's still operative. This particular Record of Land Use Action
is only meant to memorialize this discrete amendment to the final map.
That being said, we do recommend that there be at least two modifications.
One is, as Director Gitelman mentioned, the incorporation of the consistency
findings. Second, a standard indemnification provision.
Council Member Holman: Understanding that the other Record of Land Use
Action exists, but there's no reference to, unless I'm not reading this
correctly, to these subdivision map plans that have been submitted. How do
we know—it talks about the address and such, but how do we know it's this
plan set that we're approving? It refers to the tract number and such. How
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do we know it's this plan set that we're approving? Do you find it
somewhere or not? No? Can we add that?
Ms. Silver: I see what you're saying. I think you're right. I think we should
add a recital "D" clarifying the amendment and identifying the particular
application for the final map.
Council Member Holman: I'm presuming that's good with the maker. Would
you accept that?
Vice Mayor Scharff: (inaudible)
Council Member Kniss: So do I.
Vice Mayor Scharff: in fact, I'd like to add the other two as well so we don't
lose track of them.
Council Member Holman: Adding a reference to the Comprehensive Plan.
What was the second one you mentioned, Cara?
Vice Mayor Scharff: It was the standard indemnity agreement and the
incorporation of the consistency finding.
Council Member Holman: With the map plans that have been submitted.
Vice Mayor Scharff: With the original map.
Council Member Holman: No, this map plan.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Okay.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion,
A. Including the following additions in the ROLUA:
i. Incorporated Comprehensive Plan consistency findings; and
ii. Standard indemnification clause; and
iii. A reference to the Amending Map of Tract No. 10281.
Council Member Holman: The other thing is—what we have on the plans is
just the map. What we have in the Staff Report and in the presentation and
such is where the home layout is. What weds the applicant and their
approval to the layout that's been presented? I don't find anything that
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weds them to this plan of home design, home layout, street layout. The
street layout is on the map, but the homes aren't.
Ms. Silver: You are adopting a separate document which is the final map
that is actually approved by the City Engineer.
Council Member Holman: If you look at the maps, there are no buildings
indicated about locations and such. It's just the lots.
Ms. Gerhardt: The Development Agreement restricts the areas in which we can regulate. These are homes on the interior of the site and, therefore, not
under our discretion other than massing and scale and things of that nature.
There are no interior setbacks and things that you would normally think of.
Council Member Holman: There is mass and scale. There's some number of
units. Is there no Floor to Area Ratio (FAR) even? I don't recall that long
ago. What I'm saying is we're just giving a blank check here, it seems like
based on prior approvals, and this is not the same. I'm just trying to get
clarity on what it is we're approving and passing on.
Ms. Silver: Basically you're just approving the lot lines at this point. You've
already approved all of the architecture that you had purview over under the
Development Agreement. Now, you're just simply reconfiguring the actual
lot lines and street lines on a map.
Council Member Holman: How do we know the houses are going—what
assurance do we have going forward—not that Stanford wouldn't want to do
this. What assurance do we have in a record that indicates that, let's say,
the home that Mr. Siegel identified is actually going to be 50 feet away from
that point? We have a Staff presentation and a Staff Report. How do we
know that's where it's going to be located? How do we know that those
barriers are going to be created? What do we have that indicates that these
mitigations are going to actually happen? It's not in the Record of Land Use
Action in front of us tonight.
Ms. Silver: That's a fair point. I think that you do have discretion to impose
some additional mitigation measures. DTSC will, of course, will take care of
that in their regulatory action. We would also suggest that if you want sort
of a belt and suspenders approach that you also adopt as additional
mitigation measures in this Record of Land Use Action the mitigation
measures that are identified in the Disclosure Statement ...
Council Member Holman: Can you point us to a page? That would be
helpful.
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Ms. Silver: It's Packet Page 80 and 81. There are six additional mitigation
measures. That would give you some further assurance that the mitigations
are being followed.
Council Member Holman: Can I offer that as another Amendment to the
maker of the Motion?
Vice Mayor Scharff: (inaudible)
Council Member Holman: It's Packet Pages 80 and 81.
Vice Mayor Scharff: I'm not sure why mine doesn't seem to have Packet
Pages in it.
Ms. Gitelman: It's in Attachment C, the correspondence. It follows the
newsletter.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Fifteen and 16.
Ms. Gerhardt: Of the correspondence.
Council Member Holman: While you're looking for that, Vice Mayor, I don't
see on this that ...
Vice Mayor Scharff: Your question was would I accept these and these were
the suggested mitigations if we wanted belt and suspenders ...
Council Member Holman: Additional condition of approval.
Vice Mayor Scharff: I'm fine with that. Put those in.
Council Member Holman: Thank you.
Council Member Kniss: I think I'm fine with that if I find it.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND THE SECONDER to add to the Motion, “Six Mitigation
Measures identified in Environmental Disclosure: University Terrace Project,
Palo Alto, California, March 2016, Section 4.1.” (New Part iv)
Council Member Holman: The other thing that this doesn't seem to cover is
that homes will be at a minimum 50 feet away from any—what's the word I
should use there? Point of ...
Ms. Silver: TCE sample location or hotspot.
Council Member Holman: Can we add that too? That's not in here.
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Vice Mayor Scharff: That's not in there, correct. Can I ask Stanford if they
have any concerns with that?
Council Member Holman: It's what they're saying they're going to do. Go
right ahead.
Mayor Burt: Yes, you may.
Mr. Wuthmann: No, we have no concerns with that. I think that's a good
addition. We'd endorse that. That's how the plan has been engineered.
Vice Mayor Scharff: That's fine.
Council Member Holman: Thank you. I think the last question. There are
sites that—I'm not sure if it's a question for Staff or DTSC or both. There
are parts of these sites that you don't want anybody digging in, you don't
want anybody planting a vegetable garden in, you don't want anybody
building a basement underneath the house, you don't want people adding
houses in these particular areas. Again, we have—especially in this case
because we have limited review capability. What happens over time that
protects these things from happening?
Ms. Gitelman: One of the conditions that we just added is the site
management plan condition. DTSC has indicated there will have to be a site
management plan or land use controls in place in that area where the hotspots occur. It's the open space area. That will be taken care of by the
mitigation measures you just added to the Record of Land Use Action.
Council Member Holman: Including more minimal but still unsafe activities?
This seems to be kind of large scale.
Ms. Gitelman: This is where DTSC would impose any restrictions on digging,
on uses of the area or anything like that.
Council Member Holman: Will the site be posted so that people will know
don't go there? We tell people call first, don't dig. We make people aware
of those kinds of things. Will this site have some kind of notifications like
that?
Ms. Gitelman: I don't know. This will be determined in this next phase by
DTSC, what these management conditions or what the management plan
will consist of.
Council Member Holman: Mr. Mayor, can I ask DTSC that question?
Mayor Burt: Sure.
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Mr. Piros: Usually it's sites where there's contamination remaining above
unrestricted use levels. When I say sites in this case, it would be the area
where there are going to be no residential units constructed. Typically, what
we put in place is a land use covenant with the site owner. You asked a
question about signs keeping people out. The big potential risk here is from
the soil vapor intrusion. One of the primary restrictions would be against
any future building over that area. As far as people entering the area, it's not like there's shallow soil contamination where the people are going to
come into contact with it and it's going to cause adverse health effects. If
you were to construct future buildings there, they would need some sort of
vapor intrusion mitigation system. There will probably be some other
restrictions. As far as addressing any potential risk, that would be the
primary one, limitation on future construction of buildings in that area.
Council Member Holman: I think what you said at first—there would be a
covenant put on the site. Is that what you said?
Mr. Piros: There would be a land use covenant. It's an agreement between
the site owner and DTSC. Of course, that's recorded with the County.
Council Member Holman: That's helpful to know. I think that has to do with
my questions. My comment would be I'm not sure I agree with the process on this. I think it's unfortunate. We had a project here earlier, the Maybell
project. It's a small site. This is a much larger site. I think there were so
many missed opportunities here. I was hoping that we would have an
opportunity to send this back to get some other things done. We talked
even about a path, a pedestrian/bicycle path on the Maybell site. This is 17
acres basically. I'd argued long and hard earlier for a road that continued
post-construction here. I won't go on and on about it. I think there's so
many things that could have made this a better community. It could have
been a better project. It could have reduced car trips and enhanced
pedestrian and bicycle passage. I will leave it at that. Wish our neighbors
on the west side of the street all Godspeed and good health, and trust that
DTSC will follow up with them, report back any findings that you make. We
will expect to hear. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Schmid.
Council Member Schmid: I just wanted to follow up on that last point. By
approving the map tonight, we are not dealing with the issue on the west
side of California Avenue. Yet, data has been presented that says there
might be preferential pathways connecting, linking from the source across
California Avenue. I guess the DTSC has said that they will have a timely
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response to the data that's been presented. I guess we look forward to
those results and any linkages that might be made to the source.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: First, I'm just going to say that I wish Palo Alto
had clearer rules, maybe some more consistent rules, around how we handle
concerns about TCE. There's been some discussion about that in the
community. There's a group of enterprising students at Gunn High School that's been focused on this, and some other people in the community that
have been focused on this. I think the communication between those
community advocates and Staff has already been initiated. I look forward to
furthering and being part of that discussion, seeing the community have that
discussion for the long term. When cases like this come up, everybody is on
the same page about what the rules are and just so we have greater clarity
as a community rather than the lengthy discussion. I think this has been
very educational for all of us. There was a hint from the maker of the
Motion earlier that he would be open to an amendment. I first wanted to
turn to the applicant. I understand that it is not the preference of the
applicant to include sub-slab ventilation or depressurization. I've also heard
from the applicant that financing was not the reason for that preference. I was wondering whether they would be comfortable with that being part of
this project. I think it would increase the level of comfort by the community
and also by the Council.
Mayor Burt: You're asking what?
Council Member Wolbach: I'm asking whether they're comfortable with sub-
slab depressurization or ventilation being an additional mitigation measure.
Mayor Burt: I'll allow that question.
Mr. Wuthmann: I appreciate the concern. We are concerned for the health
and welfare of our faculty members as well. That said, we are concerned
about instilling within faculty members a sense of security deriving from
something that we know from practice they may not maintain, want to
maintain. That said, we would like to ask since we still have closure work to
do with DTSC, to work with DTSC on this. If they come to the conclusion
that it would be materially beneficially to improving the protection against
indoor air intrusion, then we would be willing to consider that. Since DTSC
will be still working with us on the post-construction requirements and
regulations, we would like to work with them on this and leave it up to their
professional judgment.
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Council Member Wolbach: Given what I've heard from DTSC thus far, they
think you've already gone above and beyond what's necessary for the site. I
think it's highly unlikely that in their professional judgment they'll ask you
add such sub-slab depressurization or ventilation. I guess I look back to the
maker and my colleagues to see if anyone else is interested in pursuing this
question further.
Mayor Burt: If you want to offer an amendment, offer an amendment.
Council Member Wolbach: I'll hold off on—I'm trying to figure out the best
way to phrase this. I'll just offer it as an amendment, and hopefully it'll be
friendly. An additional vapor intrusion protection be added in the form of
sub-slab ventilation or depressurization.
Vice Mayor Scharff: I'm not going to accept. I don't feel that strongly one
way or the other actually. I was interested in their comments that it actually
would be difficult to maintain.
Mayor Burt: I'll support the amendment.
AMENDMENT: Council Member Wolbach moved, seconded by Mayor Burt
to add to the Motion, “an additional vapor intrusion measure be added
including sub-slab ventilation or depressurization.” (New Part v)
Mayor Burt: Do you want to speak further to it or can we ...
Council Member Wolbach: Just to speak very briefly again. Cost isn't the
issue. I think it's worth including. It'll again increase the level of comfort in
the community and on the Council for approving this project.
Mayor Burt: I'll just say briefly that I think this site does have ongoing
concerns about the residual contaminants and toxics. Additional measures
would be prudent. To put them in at the outset is the lowest cost way to
address it. That's my reason for supporting it. Does anyone else wish to
speak on the amendment specifically? Let's vote on the Amendment. That
passes on a 6-2 with Council Member Schmid and Filseth voting no.
AMENDMENT PASSED: 6-2 Filseth, Schmid no, DuBois absent
Mayor Burt: Council Member Filseth, did you want to speak on the main
Motion?
Council Member Filseth: I had one more question I want to ask DTSC if
possible. You indicated a couple of times that you have this model. The
model predicts that there's not going to be a lot TCE on the other side of the
streets. The residents have come back and said they've found TCE on the
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other side of the street. You've said a couple of times that you're going to
review that information and update your model. How long is that going to
take?
Mr. Piros: I think we're talking a relatively short timeframe. I don't know
that I can give you an exact timeframe. We've already reviewed their
sampling reports. We do have some additional information we need to get
from the residents. It would help us to know where they did get some detections, what the locations of those are. Obviously, I think we're going to
need to have some discussion with Stanford too. If there is any further
action required, we're looking at them to fund it. I think we're talking a
relatively short timeframe. I'd say hopefully within the month.
Council Member Filseth: It's not like end of year.
Mr. Piros: I'm not looking at a long, drawn-own process.
Council Member Filseth: The reason I ask is the residents are saying your
model must be wrong. We're going to resolve that in the next month is
what you're saying. That's good.
Mr. Piros: That's our target, a relatively short timeframe.
Council Member Filseth: Thank you.
Ms. Gitelman: Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Burt: Yes.
Ms. Gitelman: A quick question. I was wondering if the Council would be
interested in adding the timing condition that we raised in our supplemental
memo to Council. It was a suggestion that we say that we're not going to
issue the building permits for those seven homes closest to the hotspots
until after there's been a no further action issued.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Yes.
Mayor Burt: The make and the seconder have accepted that. We'll let you
work through—Director Gitelman, if you can add that to the language.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion, “direct Staff to withhold
issuing building permits to the seven homes adjacent to the hotspots until
the California Department of Toxic Substances Control (DTSC) issues its No
Further Action determination.” (New Part B)
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Mayor Burt: I have a final question. Council Member Holman had raised
issues around a spur road. Mine is more modest, but a concern. My
understanding of the map is that there are no pedestrian accesses out of this
site other than to California Avenue. Is that correct? We didn't really
discuss this. Why is that?
Ms. Gerhardt: There were several discussions about that as part of the
original proposal. Originally there was conversations about having a street or pedestrian access out to Page Mill Road. That was determined to be—the
applicant was not offering that. It was not required. There was no impacts
that needed to be addressed that would require such a connection. That's
why it wasn't implemented originally.
Mayor Burt: When you say it's not required, is it within our discretionary
approval?
Ms. Gerhardt: There were no CEQA impacts that would have required that
connection. From a transportation perspective, there are several
connections to California Avenue. We felt with the original proposal that that
was sufficient.
Mayor Burt: That didn't really answer my question.
Ms. Gitelman: I believe this was the subject of quite a bit of discussion when the Council first heard the tentative map a year or two ago. We'd
have to look back into the record about what the discussion was about and
why the final decision was made not to include that. We could certainly do
that.
Mayor Burt: My question was whether it's within our discretionary approval.
Ms. Silver: We'd have to look back at the Development Agreement as to
what is in your overall approval. I know that tonight the particular
subdivision map act section that allows for this change in circumstances on
the final map limits the Council's discussion or the discretion to amend the
final map to just the changed circumstances. If you want to pursue this, you
would have to link it to the changed circumstances that's in front of you
tonight on the reconfiguration of the homes.
Mayor Burt: Link it that there has to be a nexus or simply link them?
Ms. Silver: I think both.
Mayor Burt: That's disappointing. I do think that the planning for a
development of this size without pedestrian access other than out California
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Avenue is really a lost opportunity. It certainly could have been imposed. I
don't recall the full discussion. I certainly recall that there were Council
sentiments of interest in having expanded circulation.
Council Member Kniss: I recall the (inaudible). I don't know what happened
to it.
Mayor Burt: There are separate issues between a roadway and pedestrian
access. I think the pedestrian circulation is important. The notion that folks from the interior of this development should have to go out Amherst to
California Avenue to Hanover to Page Mill Road to get to the 100 yards that
otherwise would be directly to Page Mill is not progressive design. The same
thing really goes on accessing Hanover. To get from the interior of this to
Hanover shouldn't be a circuitous loop. That's the very sort of planning that
we thought we had gotten away with when we stopped building subdivisions
where kids had to go a half mile to get to a park that 200 yards away. I see
Jean McCown wants to speak to this. I'll allow it.
Jean McCown, Stanford University: Actually I don't need to speak to that. I
wanted to go back to Mr. Wolbach's Motion with respect to the pressurization
system. We just wanted to clarify which homes that applies to. Is it the
ones that are within the 50 feet locations of the TCE presence? There's 68 single-family homes on the site, many of which are not anywhere near this
location. I just would like to get some clarification to the scope of that.
Mayor Burt: I'll allow that.
Ms. McCown: I know it's already been voted on, but it would be helpful to
clarify that.
Mayor Burt: We'll get that clarification. While you're there, let me ask you.
What's Stanford's rationale for not supporting pedestrian access except
through California Avenue on this?
Ms. McCown: What I recall from the discussion back at the time the map
was approved, it was not focused on pedestrian access. It was focused on
vehicular access through an adjoining parcel that would exit out onto Page
Mill Road. That's what I remember. Now, we're all kind of doing this from
memory tonight. It was not about pedestrian access; it was about having a
vehicular access route through an unrelated parcel. I think it was 1450 Page
Mill in fact, out to Page Mill Road. That was the big discussion point at the
time.
Mayor Burt: What's Stanford's position on having good pedestrian access?
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Ms. McCown: Honestly, Pat, I don't know that we've looked at whether
there's routes through other adjoining parcels. I don't recall that we were
even asked to look at that. It was all about can't you have vehicles traveling
off the site out to Page Mill rather than onto California Avenue. That's what
I recall.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: Along those lines, I think the recollection is correct. Columbia Street, I think, was used as the construction road during
construction of some of the houses. You can tell me if that's right or wrong.
I think it was Columbia, and then Columbia connected all the way through to
Page Mille. That was vehicular. I don't know, though, that that meant we
only wanted vehicles. It's pretty much assumed that a road is going to have
a sidewalk beside it. It's going to also have pedestrian accessibility too.
Ms. McCown: I'm not sure sending pedestrians out to Page Mill Road is what
people were thinking about. What I recall was a construction period
timeframe for that access off of Page Mill, to not use California Avenue,
which Chris talked about earlier. There was also a further request for a
permanent exit out through that adjoining parcel, out to Page Mill. I don't
think that—as I remember it, that was not about pedestrians. It was totally about vehicles.
Mayor Burt: It was vehicular.
Council Member Holman: It was more vehicular. Still, it's too bad it isn't
there.
Mayor Burt: I'll add that there have been discussions about if we don't have
a vehicular spine running between California Avenue and Page Mill, then a
bike spine is something that's been talked about. Here we're doing this
major project, and we are not taking advantage of that opportunity. I think
it's a real lost opportunity. I have a way that I will at least try to partially
address that. I first want to take on the clarification issue that you
requested. Council Member Wolbach, do you want to clarify the intent and
we may need to revote.
Council Member Wolbach: Sure. My thinking was that it would apply to all
of the homes on the site. If it is acceptable to the Mayor, I'd actually like to
ask Mr. Siegel if he had a recommendation about whether sub-slab
depressurization or ventilation should be associated with every home at the
site or only those closest to hotspots.
Mayor Burt: I don't see him here.
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Council Member Wolbach: He's right behind ...
Ms. McCown: Right behind me.
Mayor Burt: I'll allow that.
Mr. Siegel: I was showing DTSC Building 30 where it clearly is needed.
Wearing my other hat, in Mountain View we would be requiring it. We've a
policy not just directly above plumes but near plumes. We require at least
passive mitigation with the option to go active. The passive mitigation does not require any maintenance by the building occupants. It's passive, but it
does require some monitoring after construction to see whether there's a
problem. I would recommend it for everything on the parcel.
Council Member Wolbach: I'm fine with that. Again, I think the way it's
phrased now leaves the option open, whether it's ventilation which is passive
or depressurization which would be active, leaves that flexibility up to the
applicant.
Ms. McCown: I believe we are doing passive already. That's what we're
doing. Again, I would ...
Mayor Burt: Ms. McCown, I think you're really familiar with our procedures.
Applicants and members of the audience do not have the authority to
interject unless they've been called upon.
Ms. McCown: I think you did give me the opportunity to speak to this
question. I appreciate that. Thank you very much.
Council Member Wolbach: If we need to clarify in the Motion that it would
apply all homes at the site, we can add that. If it would please the Mayor ...
Mayor Burt: It's clear that's the intent. Let's go ahead and do it and revote.
Vice Mayor Scharff: I have a question on this before we vote.
Mayor Burt: Go ahead.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Are some of the homes already under construction?
Wouldn't that cost a lot for those homes that are already there? I would
want to exclude those homes that are actually under construction.
Ms. Gitelman: I think the suggestion is to limit it to the 68 homes on this
parcel and not ... We'll have to ask the applicant if any are already ...
Mayor Burt: We'll hear from the applicant.
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Mr. Wuthmann: There are 68 homes total in the project. Council Member
Scharff's exactly right. Some are under construction already. Actually 28
foundations are already built. They're furthest away from—they are not on
this amended part of the final map. What you're talking about would be the
40 homes that have not yet been built.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Are you willing to limit it to the 40 homes?
Council Member Wolbach: That's fine with me.
Mayor Burt: Yes. Those are the homes that were held up because there
were greater issues.
AMENDMENT: Council Member Wolbach moved, seconded by Mayor Burt to
add to Motion Part v, “for all 40 single family homes not yet under
construction.”
Mayor Burt: Let's go ahead and revote on "E," which was the amendment
just with these clarifications. That now passes on a 7-1 with Council
Member Filseth voting no.
AMENDMENT PASSED: 7-1 Filseth no, DuBois absent
Mayor Burt: I'd like to offer another amendment. This is going to be non-
binding. It's to direct Staff to attempt to negotiate with the project
developer to identify any practical locations for pedestrian access either toward the east and Page Mill or toward the—what it is? North, toward
Hanover. Either toward Page Mill or Hanover pedestrian access. Does the
maker and the seconder ...
Vice Mayor Scharff: It's fine.
Council Member Kniss: Yeah, it's fine.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion, “direct Staff to work with
the project Developer to attempt to locate pedestrian and bicycle access
either toward Page Mill Road or Hanover Street.” (New Part C)
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Did you have something?
Vice Mayor Scharff: You were seconding it.
Mayor Burt: I don't know what needs to be clarified. We're asking our Staff
to attempt to achieve it ...
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Council Member Holman: You're saying toward Page Mill or Hanover. Do
you mean connecting to Page Mill or connecting to Hanover? I'm not quite
clear.
Mayor Burt: It would be pedestrian. They can't out of this obtain
necessarily full access to Page Mill, except they can obtain access out of the
rear of the property that would connect to one of the properties on Page Mill.
We'd have to have a separate agreement to allow that access subsequently. What we want to do is establish out of this property a pathway if possible.
Same thing in the direction toward Hanover. They're adjacent properties;
that's why I said toward rather than assure that there would be the
connection, which I don't think we could necessarily achieve. I'd love it if
Stanford came forward and said they could work through that. They have
tenants in some of those. This may be setting it up for a future opportunity.
Council Member Holman: I think one of the properties on Page Mill is
actually Stanford-occupied. Do you want it to be pedestrian or pedestrian
and bicycle?
Mayor Burt: I'm meaning pedestrian and bicycle. We can clarify that.
Council Member Holman: That should be in there.
Mayor Burt: I want to leave this open enough as just a direction to attempt to achieve this outcome.
MOTION RESTATED: Vice Mayor Scharff moved, seconded by Council
Member Kniss to adopt a Record of Land Use Action (ROLUA) regarding the
Amendment to the Final Map for Tract Number 10281:
A. Including the following additions in the ROLUA:
i. Incorporated Comprehensive Plan consistency findings; and
ii. Standard indemnification clause; and
iii. A reference to the Amending Map of Tract No. 10281; and
iv. Six Mitigation Measures identified in Environmental Disclosure:
University Terrace Project, Palo Alto, California, March 2016,
Section 4.1; and
v. An additional vapor intrusion measure be added including sub-
slab ventilation or depressurization for all 40 single family homes
not yet under construction; and
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B. Direct Staff to withhold issuing building permits to the seven homes
adjacent to the hotspots until the California Department of Toxic
Substances Control (DTSC) issues its No Further Action determination.
C. Direct Staff to work with the project Developer to attempt to locate
pedestrian and bicycle access either toward Page Mill Road or Hanover
Street.
Mayor Burt: Are we ready? Please vote on the board. That passes on an 8-0 vote with Council Member DuBois recused. Thank you everyone. That
concludes this item.
MOTION AS AMENDED PASSED: 8-0 DuBois absent
Mayor Burt: I just want to share the break that I asked to have to confer
with Staff was because I had really reconsideration on how we acted on the
preceding item on the Maybell project. My interest was not in changing the
outcome of the project. I really had discomfort in the findings that we made
to be able to do that and wanted to see if there was any potential to rezone
the property so that our findings would be more appropriately aligned with
the project. Unfortunately, the only way to do that would really be with a
Planned Community Zoning (PC). This doesn't—even though they are single
lots, they are of configurations that they wouldn't fit in either an R-1 or R-2 zoning. It illustrates the irony that the only way to have this project aligned
with zoning would be under a PC Ordinance. I just wanted to share that
with my colleagues. I really have that discomfort over what we found
ourselves in a predicament and having to make findings that, I think, were
very weak. Thanks for allowing me the discretion of explaining that. Any
other Council Member questions or comments?
Vice Mayor Scharff: We have another item.
Mayor Burt: We do. Yes, that's right. Sorry. I was out of order. I was
hoping we were out the door.
James Keene, City Manager: That's makes 11 or 12 of us.
4. Approval of a Contract With West Coast Arborists, Inc., in an Amount
Not-to-Exceed $3,680,960 for Three Years for Tree Pruning and
Removal Services on a Ten Year Maintenance Cycle (Continued from
June 27, 2016).
Mayor Burt: Our final item is the former—I'll just say it's approval of a
contract with West Coast Arborists in an amount not to exceed $3.680
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million over three years for tree pruning and removal services on a 10-year
maintenance cycle.
James Keene, City Manager: Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This was, as you recall,
last night pulled by some of the Council Members for discussion. We did put
out an addendum to the Staff Report this afternoon. Hopefully the Council
has it before you. This addendum does try to identify in sort of high-level
terms what the differences would be as to the cycle and the percentage of canopy that would be removed under either the 15, 10 or 7-year cycle. It
also identifies the cost difference if the Council was interested in moving
from the 10-year cycle, which has been approved in the budget, to a 7-year
cycle. Walter and I are here to answer questions. He can speak more
specifically to the canopy itself. I can speak to the funding. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. We really had Council Member questions on this
and reconsideration. I think those who removed it from Consent can
address this first. Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: As I'm sure you know, I've had questions and
concerns about this from when it came to Finance Committee on a 15-year
cycle and even reducing it from a 15 to a 10-year cycle because
Mr. Passmore, our Urban Forester, had said that the industry standard if 5-10 years. Subsequent to that, I've even gotten more interested and
concerned about our process. When you're ready, I have a Motion that I've
drafted and provided to David.
Council Member Kniss: Just make it.
Council Member Holman: The letter that we got from the State's Urban
Forester got me to thinking is it the right process that we're even using. Is
it one contractor fits all? One size fits all tree management. I don't have
the answers to some of these things. I do know that we have been a Tree
City USA for 29 years. Our City's named after a tree. It seems to me that,
looking at the letter that came and some subsequent conversation with
Canopy and Catherine Martineau, if our City can't come up with a model
means to manage our urban forest, then what City can. We have many
areas where we try to excel and be the leaders. It seems to me this is a
very appropriate one where we can do, given the numerous advantages of
our urban canopy. If you're ready for a Motion, I will put it out there. It
looks long, but it's really not. My suggestion is that we move forward—the
City Manager had actually indicated when we had the first discussion on this
that we can try this for a year and then revisit it. What we got was a three
year contract with no opportunity for revisiting it or extension or
amendment. What I've suggested here is that we go ahead and approve the
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three year contract that was put before, but that we add annual review and
optional extension and amendment clause subject to Council review and
approval pending. This next section really is us evaluating the best
management practices for urban forest care and quantifying the things that
actually are very quantifiable now, the benefits of our urban forest for Palo
Alto. Using those as the basis for how we do our contracting. Part of what I
started seeing was—reading the State urban forest and in conversation with Canopy, I started seeing is the urban forest really that much different than
my own home property and my trees. I don't have the same people prune
my very large trees as prune my small trees. They get very different care,
different kinds of special treatment. That's kind of what has also led me to
this. I'll give you a minute to read this. Some of it is just indicating what
the obvious things are in terms of advantages of an urban forest.
Mayor Burt: You had a second. Is that correct?
Council Member Holman: No. I just shut up.
Mayor Burt: You spoke to your Motion before the second. It's been
seconded. Why don't we take a moment to read it?
MOTION: Council Member Holman moved, seconded by Council Member
Kniss to approve and authorize the City Manager or his designee to execute a three-year contract with West Coast Arborists Inc. in an amount not to
exceed $3,680,960 for tree pruning and removal services on a ten-year
maintenance cycle with the following amendments:
A. The contract shall include an annual review and optional
extension/amendment clause subject to Council review and approval
pending:
i. Design of a tree management plan befitting a 29-year Tree City
USA designation that addresses the recommendations from the
State Urban Forester and relevant others including but not
limited to:
a. Greenhouse gas reduction benefits of a healthy and well-
maintained urban forest including reduced carbon dioxide,
lowered energy use, reduced heat island effect; and
b. Safety, especially during times of drought and potential
resultant limb loss; and
c. Storm water interception, habitat retention and creation;
and
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d. Economic and social benefits of a healthy urban forest; and
ii. Determination of whether a single source contract is the best
method to contract for Palo Alto's tree care; and
iii. The cost benefit ratio of maintenance (average $19.00 per tree
cost vs $5.82 in benefit is returned for every $1 spent); and
B. Such a plan should be presented to Council prior to consideration of a
contract in the 2018 budget cycle.
Mr. Keene: May I—go ahead and read it, please.
Mayor Burt: City Manager Keene, did you want to ...
Mr. Keene: In addition to the Clerk, it would be nice if we got these
ourselves. I'd go ahead and do this, but I see this as a potentially very
significant expansion of the work plan. We're not just talking about what the
cycle is for our existing work. In addition, we have an Urban Forest Master
Plan that would be more appropriate to look at in that context as to what
extent these kinds of issues are being considered. Where are we with the
Urban Forest Master Plan anyway? Just adopted it?
Mayor Burt: Let us just read this.
Council Member Holman: After people have read it, I'd like to respond to
City Manager comments.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Kniss, you want to speak to your second?
Council Member Kniss: Yes. I just went down and spoke to Karen about
this. Karen, if I understand you, this is to move the actual amount, not to
exceed, for the pruning and removal services. The rest should include—
you're saying this is subject to Council review and approval pending this.
You see that one—I don't know if this goes to the bottom or not. Is "B" the
end of it, I hope?
Council Member Holman: "B" is the end of it, yes.
Mr. Keene: Yeah.
Council Member Kniss: What I just established—Karen, if I'm wrong, tell
me—was that anything below approval pending is to be looked at and
determined what the actual cost would be.
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Council Member Holman: To determine what a cost would be and what a
plan would be. Then, we can evaluate the cost. Just to respond to City
Manager. It would ideally be a part of the Urban Forest Master Plan, but we
haven't done this before. What's prompting it now is that we have a budget
item in front of us.
Mr. Keene: This needs to stay a budget item. I can't even imagine the City
Attorney would say that this is properly noticed for a discussion about the direction on a series of policy issues, Number one. Number two, the Urban
Forest Master Plan second edition is going to come before the Council in
October. We may have some of these sorts of things in there. You could
have that policy discussion here. We need to start the contract. I think it's
really limited to the kind of conditions that we have in the contract. You
could amend the contract itself to deal with the terms and those sorts of
things. What I would suggest, if you're really interested in this, is that we
proceed with this on a three year basis. Our contracts are always subject to
a non-appropriation clause. We could launch this for the first year, make
the adjustment of the $300,000-and some. I'm just saying this because the
whole Council's—the Finance Committee and the Council's going to be
looking at some big budget issues for 2018. We're talking about adding $1 million here right at this point. You just may reconsider that both in the
context of the subsequent Urban Forest Master Plan discussion and as we
get into the budget itself. You could be in a position to launch staying on
the 7-year cycle right now for the next year. That gets us some time.
Honestly ...
Mayor Burt: Vice Mayor Scharff.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Thank you. On the back of this we have a proposed
Motion. First of all, to speak to this Motion I wanted to say I think we should
stay on the 7-year cycle. I think that we don't want to damage the canopy
while we think about this. What I learned from the process after we voted
last time was that the way they prune is they prune more on a 10-year cycle
than you would on a 7-year cycle. I don't understand why, Council Member
Holman, you would support a 10-year cycle. Why not just support a 7-year
cycle? I'll move the Staff—I don't know if it's a Staff recommendation—
suggested Motion as a substitute Motion which is direct Staff to accept the
original bid of $4,702,450. That's on the back of that sheet. You should be
able to find it. Over the three year term and authorize the City Manager or
his designee to execute a new threeyear term contract West Coast Arborists
in an amount not to exceed $4.7 million for tree pruning and removal
services on a 7-year maintenance cycle and amend the fiscal year 2017
budget appropriations ordinance for the General Fund by increasing the
Public Works Department contract, etc.
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Council Member Wolbach: Second.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION: Vice Mayor Scharff moved, seconded by Council
Member Wolbach to:
A. Direct Staff to accept the original bid of $4,702,450, an additional
$1,021,490 over the three-year term; and
B. Authorize the City Manager or his designee to execute a new three-
year contract with West Coast Arborists, Inc. in an amount not to exceed $4,702,450 for tree pruning and removal services on a 7-year
maintenance cycle; and
C. Amend the Fiscal Year 2017 Budget Appropriation Ordinance for the
General Fund by:
i. Increasing the Public Works Department contract services
appropriation by $316,900; and
ii. Decreasing the General Fund Budget Stabilization Reserve by
$316,900.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Can I speak to it?
Mayor Burt: Yes.
Vice Mayor Scharff: Just briefly. This is a budget item. I think the question
before us is should we do a 10-year cycle or a 7-year cycle. After getting the new information, I've reconsidered it in my mind. I thought we don't
want to damage the canopy. Let's go with the 7-year cycle. We're coming
forward with the Urban Forest Master Plan stuff. The rest of these things
that Council Member Holman raised, I think, are good things. I think they're
important things to talk about. I think they belong in a noticed discussion,
which the right time is when you come forward then. That's when we should
discuss all these things. Frankly, using that no appropriation clause, if we
decide at some point to go to a 10-year cycle, we can probably always talk
these people into moving to a 10-year cycle based on that. Let's use the
precautionary principle that Council Member Wolbach mentioned earlier. Do
no harm to our canopy. Let's do seven years, and let's talk about this when
it comes back to us.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Wolbach, you want to speak to your second?
Council Member Wolbach: I agree with everything Vice Mayor Scharff just
said.
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Mayor Burt: Council Member Holman, speaking to the substitute Motion.
Council Member Holman: It has to do with both actually. The substitute
motion, this is also three year contract. You said there's a—what was the
phrase you said? An indemnification period?
Molly Stump, City Attorney: Our standard contract includes an ability to
terminate the contract on a certain noticed period at the discretion of the
City Manager. We have a non-appropriations clause that's required for all public entities in California, but we wouldn't need to utilize it to stop the
contract. The City Manager could do that.
Council Member Holman: On any basis whatsoever?
Ms. Stump: Yes.
Council Member Holman: If that is the case and presuming that—trusting
that these other issues will come forward as part of the Urban Forest Master
Plan—I feel like saying this. I'm sorry. I don't mean to be catty about it. I
just wrote the Motion right before we came to the meeting, and we got this
at places. We didn't either one give either one of us notice. Just to be fair
there. I can support the substitute Motion given the clarification about us
being able to ...
Male: Are you going to withdraw your Motion?
Mayor Burt: She doesn't need to.
Council Member Holman: I can just support the substitute. If that's okay
with Council Member Kniss?
Council Member Kniss: Yes, that's fine.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Schmid.
Council Member Schmid: Since the City Manager had the proposal in his
memo, are you comfortable with the $300,000 from the Budget Stabilization
Reserve?
Mr. Keene: Yes, Council Member Schmid. Just to remind the Council where
we are. We have had some increased estimates in the closing for fiscal year
2016 that were above even our estimates a little bit earlier in the budget.
Right now what we would have in the Budget Stabilization Reserve is $2
million above the 20 percent level, which is the top end of the range of your
policy between 15. We would be drawing $316,000 out of that for this year.
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Council Member Berman: In terms of real numbers, what—I think our
General Fund is $170 million. I can't remember exactly where we're at this
point. What's is the Budget Stabilization Reserve?
Mr. Keene: About $40 million.
Council Member Berman: Thank you. Got it. Thanks.
Mayor Burt: I see no more lights. Please vote on the board. That passes
unanimously with Council Member DuBois absent.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION PASSED: 8-0 DuBois absent
Council Member Questions, Comments and Announcements
None.
Mayor Burt: Now, I think that concludes our meeting.
Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 10:23 P.M.