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Regular Meeting
April 11, 2016
The City Council of the City of Palo Alto met on this date in the Council
Chambers at 6:02 P.M.
Present: Berman, Burt, DuBois, Holman, Kniss arrived at 6:45 P.M.,
Schmid, Wolbach
Absent: Filseth, Scharff
Closed Session
1. CONFERENCE WITH LABOR NEGOTIATORS
City Designated Representatives: City Manager and his Designees
Pursuant to Merit System Rules and Regulations (James Keene, Molly
Stump, Suzanne Mason, Rumi Portillo, Dania Torres Wong, Allyson
Hauck)
Employee Organizations: Utilities Management and Professional
Association of Palo Alto (UMPAPA); Management, Professional and
Confidential Employees
Authority: Government Code Section 54957.6(a).
Mayor Burt: Our first item is a conference with labor negotiators with the
City-designated representatives, the City Manager and his designees,
pursuant to Merit System Rules and Regulations. Those are James Keene,
Molly Stump, Suzanne Mason, Rumi Portillo, Dania Torres Wong and Allyson
Hauck. The employee organization it's regarding is Utilities Management
and Professional Association of Palo Alto, UMPAPA, the Management,
Professional and Confidential Employees. We have two speaker cards. Our
first speaker is Henry—pardon me?
Henry Nguyen: (inaudible)
Mayor Burt: I'm sorry. The last name isn't written out.
Mr. Nguyen: That's okay. That was me, so I can go first.
Mayor Burt: Welcome.
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Mr. Nguyen: I've never spoken in front of Council before, so I'm a little bit
nervous. My name is Henry Nguyen; I'm working for the City of Palo Alto,
Electrical Engineering Department as a Senior for 14 years now. I came to
the City because we had a very good benefit and salary package, but lately
I've noticed that we're falling behind compared to other local municipality
utilities like Santa Clara and Roseville. In particular, I lost an engineer back
in August to them, because they have a 2.7 percent, what they call classic employee Public Employees Retirement System (PERS) retirement. He can
go there and get a 2.7 retirement plan. They also have a higher salary
package. We went out to hire a replacement for him, and since August we
went through August 'til December, and we found only two qualified
candidates. We made them two offers, and they turned us down citing that
we have low salary and compensation package. The reason why I'm here
today is I'm just asking the Council to look into considering the newest
contract that City of Santa Clara and Roseville just have for their electric
engineering. Those are the closest to the current market. With those, we
will bring our salary package closer to the market so we wouldn't have such
a hard time looking for engineers for our department. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Our next speaker is Jim Pachikara. Is that it?
Jim Pachikara: Yes, thank you. Mayor and Honorable Council Members, my
name is Jimmy Pachikara, and I'm a Senior Electrical Engineer for the City of
Palo Alto in the Utilities Department. With the help of other Seniors like
Henry, we lead the Staff of the Electrical Division and, as a whole, we are
the ones designing the entire electric system and the dark fiber network.
We continuously review the systems to create projects, maintain it and keep
up with demands. Tonight we want to stress that retaining and hiring
diverse and well-experienced leaders, Senior Electrical Engineers, is critical
to keeping the system up and running. The Utilities Department has not
been able to hire an experienced Electrical Engineer with electrical utility
experience since 2007. Any position posted since then has been filled with
engineers with the right qualifications but requires many years of training
still. In the immediate future, we are expecting retirements and don't have
any internal candidates to promote. City of Palo Alto (CPA) Utilities cannot
sustain the electrical system by continuing to hire inexperienced engineers
and expect them to be leaders after just a couple of years. Even retaining
those younger engineers with high potential are forecasting their career path
and have left for an opportunity at Santa Clara or another utility if it means
better pay later. The electric utility industry is about to experience some
dramatic changes with electric vehicles, smart grid, local government
electrification programs and the influx of solar panels and other renewable
energy, all of which Palo Alto is about to face head on. We need to maintain
a balanced group of experienced engineers while Utilities goes through these
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major industry changes. Not too long ago, City of Santa Clara finally pulled
down a job listing for a Senior Electrical Utility Engineer that had been
posted for three years. Santa Clara ended up with a young engineer from
CPA who accepted the position for a promotion. What is important here to
take note is that Santa Clara's compensation was not attractive or
competitive enough to bring in talented, experienced Senior Electrical
Engineers. The position was posted for three years, and they ended up with a young engineer who only had four years of experience. Now Santa Clara
has updated their labor contract for the engineers to include a 26 percent
raise in the salary alone over the next three years. On top of this, since
California Public Employees Retirement System’s (CalPERS) retirement
formula has changed, most experienced engineers with at least 10 years of
experience are vested in the PERS system at other municipal utilities and will
not leave their current jobs for reduced pension. That leaves Utilities trying
to attract from the private sector, which is why the Senior Electrical
Engineers are asking the City to consider updating the benchmark study. My
final words to Council are to please consider some of these points I've made
about the necessity of retaining and hiring experienced engineers as you
discuss the status of the labor negotiations in tonight's Closed Session. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. At this time, we'll return to the Council and
entertain a Motion to go into Closed Session.
Council Member Wolbach: So moved.
Council Member Holman: Second.
MOTION: Council Member Wolbach moved, seconded by Council Member
Holman to go into Closed Session.
Mayor Burt: Motion made by Council Member Wolbach, second by Council
Member Holman. Any discussion? Please vote on the board. That passes 6-
0 with Council Members Filseth, Kniss and Scharff absent. We will now go
into Closed Session. Thank you.
MOTION PASSED: 6-0 Filseth, Kniss, Scharff absent
Council went into Closed Session at 6:09 P.M.
Council returned from Closed Session at 7:03 P.M.
Mayor Burt: The Council has just returned from a Closed Session discussion
regarding the Utilities Management and Professional Association of Palo Alto,
and we have no reportable action. We'll now continue.
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Agenda Changes, Additions and Deletions
Mayor Burt: Our next item is Agenda Changes, Additions and Deletions. We
have the ones at our places. Do we need to announce how those differed
from the previous? No.
City Manager Comments
Mayor Burt: We next have City Manager Comments. Mr. City Manager.
James Keene, City Manager: Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Council Members. We
thought we'd make this a little bit more like Broadway. I only have two
things to report, both of them just kind of in the "nice to know" category.
First of all, it's time for our folks to get the Scoop. The new Downtown
Transportation Management Association, the TMA, which the City is a
member of as an employer, is partnering with Scoop, a mobile carpooling
app, to sponsor commutes to Downtown Palo Alto for just $1 per ride. The
Scoop program started in Palo Alto on April 4th, and is available on Android
or iPhone to book a ride one-way at a time. The app is flexible. Some
people book ahead if they have a set schedule; others book as little as 15-30
minutes ahead of when they need a ride. The interesting thing about this
program is there is a guaranteed ride home for employees if a rideshare
match isn't available. Every Downtown employee, not just our employees, is eligible for the $1 ride program. The City is in the process of trying to work
out an agreement so that all of our employees would be eligible for the $1
ride. We have a bunch of folks at the Municipal Service Center on East
Bayshore and other locations in town. The latest in our efforts to test out
how we could reduce single occupant vehicle trips. Just a note that
April 30th is the Great Race for Saving Water. The City is teaming up once
again this year with the Tuolumne River Trust and other community groups
for the Great Race for Saving Water. A 5K fun run and walk will be held
Saturday, April 30th, at 9:00 A.M. It begins at the Baylands Athletic Center
and, of course, runs down through our beautiful Baylands area. The goal of
the event is to raise awareness about water resources and conservation.
There will be lots of fun things to do, Earth Day activities from local water
agencies, local nonprofits, businesses and environmental organizations.
More than 350 adults and kids of all ages turned out when we last did the
race in 2014, so now's the time to register and run. Go to the City's
webpage for details. I'll go ahead and run in this again. There's always a
nice start to the race, because there is actually a person dressed up in a
toilet outfit, and the goal is to actually catch the running toilet as part of the
race. That looks like all I have to report. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you.
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Oral Communications
Mayor Burt: Our next item is Oral Communications. We have three
speakers. Our first speaker is Meghan Yaya [phonetic]. I just want to be
clear to folks that Oral Communications are for items that are not otherwise
on the Agenda, and that the Council is not allowed to discuss these items
because they have not been agendized for the general public. I don't see
Ms. Yaya. Our next speaker is Venkat Dokiparthi. Welcome.
Venkat Dokiparthi: Respected Council Members, I'm interested in Royal
Manor single story overlay topic that is coming up for next week. There is a
lot of interest in the community about this topic. It is scheduled currently at
9:30 P.M.; it goes up to 10:45. My only request is to change the time to
early because there is a lot of interest in the topic and a lot of people are
planning to attend. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Our final speaker is Sea Reddy. Welcome.
Sea Reddy: Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council Members and Palo Alto
citizens. On February 9th, that was a rainy day, 2016, I was near El Camino
Real and Wells Fargo Bank, near California Avenue. I was coming out of the
bank, and I saw some activity going on, some fire department people and a
few others standing there. There was one person who seemed to have fallen down or something was going on. They were finishing the triage. I stood
there and quietly asked one of the fire—the person that was attending—they
were not attending; they were standing there for whoever was injured,
taken care of. I asked him what happened, and they wouldn't answer me. I
asked him again what happened; they wouldn't answer me. Then they
asked me, "Who are you?" I gave him my card; I had one of my cards, and
I gave it to them. They refused to tell me, and then I say, "What's your
name?" I got a little aggravated. I'm a local resident, especially College
Terrace, and I thought I could understand what is going on. Nothing to
prevent their work and all that. Anyway, then about a minute or so later,
the policeman attending nearby or watching this whole thing comes by and
asks me, with a little heavy-handedness that I need to leave. I left. I was
on my way to Stanford, and I called the Chief of Police, Burns. Surprisingly
the phone number I had on my cell phone, I was able to—he answered the
phone right away. That was a big surprise. We exchanged some
information, and he promised me to look into it. I happened to speak with
him yesterday, after a month, month and a half. I brought this up to a
couple of people. We resolved it to my satisfaction. Chief Burns has a great
team. I want to thank him, commend him for being open and wanting to
review the material. He did review the videotape. He was able to see all the
audio communication part of it. I'm happy that it happened and he was able
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to resolve it. I thank Chief Burns. I think you have a great Police Chief. I
just want to let the City management know. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Mr. City Manager, on the issue of the timing of the
single story overlay for the meeting of April 18th, we have really two
substantial Agenda items. At 7:35, the Sustainability and Climate Action
Plan which is anticipated to be about a two hour discussion. The meeting is
scheduled to start at 6:30 with a Closed Session. I wonder if we might be able to look at whether the Council is open to an earlier start, so that the
single story overlay could be addressed a little earlier in the evening, in the
same sequence of Agenda items. I don't know that we can address that
tonight, but maybe we can find out. Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: I know you mentioned the same sequence. I
don't know what the feasibility is about putting the Closed Session last,
which is what we sometimes do as well, without starting earlier. I leave it to
you all to figure out.
Mayor Burt: That's another thing we could consider. I was actually meaning
same sequence of the Action Items, so that would still be a possibility. We'll
look into that.
Minutes Approval
2. Approval of Action Minutes for the March 28, 2016 Council Meeting.
Mayor Burt: Our next item—excuse me. Too many agendas here. Our next
item is Approval of Minutes. We have the Minutes from March 28th, 2016.
Do we have a Motion to approve?
Council Member Berman: So moved.
Mayor Burt: Second.
MOTION: Council Member Berman moved, seconded by Mayor Burt to
approve the Action Minutes for the March 28, 2016 Council Meeting.
Mayor Burt: Motion by Council Member Berman, second by myself. Any
discussion? Please vote on the board. That passes 7-0 with Council Member
Filseth and Vice Mayor Scharff absent.
MOTION PASSED: 7-0 Filseth, Scharff absent
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Consent Calendar
Mayor Burt: We will now move on to the Consent Calendar. Do we have a
Motion to approve?
MOTION: Council Member Kniss moved, seconded by Council Member
DuBois to approve Agenda Item Numbers 3-6.
3. Approval of a Contract With Pleasanton Engineering Contractors, Inc.
in the Not-to-Exceed Amount of $275,000 for Improvements to the
Household Hazardous Waste Station Located at the Regional Water
Quality Control Plant.
4. Finance Committee Recommends Adoption of a Budget Amendment for
Fiscal Year (FY) 2016 to Adjust Budgeted Revenues and Expenditures
in Accordance With the Recommendations in the FY 2016 Midyear
Budget Review Report.
5. Adoption of new Memoranda of Agreement With Palo Alto Peace
Officers’ Association (PAPOA), International Association of Firefighters’
Union, Local 1319 (IAFF), Service Employees’ International Union,
Local 521 (SEIU) and Palo Alto Police Management Association
(PAPMA) and Resolution 9581 Entitled, “Resolution of the Council of
the City of Palo Alto Amending the City of Palo Alto Merit Rules and Regulations.”
6. Approval of a City of Palo Alto Comment Letter Regarding the Draft
2016 California High Speed Rail Authority Business Plan.
Mayor Burt: Motion to approve by Council Member Kniss, seconded by
Council Member DuBois. I see no lights, so please vote on the board. That
passes unanimously with Council Member Filseth and Vice Mayor Scharff
absent.
MOTION PASSED: 7-0 Filseth, Scharff absent
Action Items
7. PUBLIC HEARING: Adoption of an Ordinance to Amend Chapter 18.76
(Permits and Approvals) of the Palo Alto Municipal Code to Modify the
Architectural Review Findings. The Planning and Transportation
Commission and the Architectural Review Board Reviewed and
Recommended the Proposed Draft Ordinance. The Proposed
Amendments are Exempt From Further Environmental Review per
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California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) Guideline Sections
15061(b) and 15301, 15302 and 15305.
Mayor Burt: We now move on to our Action Items. The first one is a public
hearing about the adoption of an ordinance to amend Chapter 18.76,
Permits and Approvals, of the Palo Alto Municipal Code to modify the
Architectural Review Findings. The Planning and Transportation Commission
and the Architectural Review Board reviewed and recommended the proposed draft ordinance. Proposed amendments are exempt from further
environmental review per the California Environmental Quality Act, CEQA,
Guideline Section 15061(b) and 15301, 15302 and 15305. Mr. Lait.
Jonathan Lait, Planning and Community Environment Assistant Director:
Thank you, Mayor. Amy French, our Chief Planning Official, will lead us
through the presentation. We're here to answer any questions that you may
have afterwards. Thank you.
Amy French, Chief Planning Official: Good evening. The ordinance in your
report tonight was reviewed by the Planning and Transportation Commission
as well the Architectural Review Board (ARB). The Architectural Review
Board reviewed it during two meetings back in September and October of
2015. We all feel that the existing findings are great findings. They have positive aspects; they address key issues, but as City policy has evolved,
some of the existing findings have become a bit duplicative. There are
findings that it takes a lot of effort to read and write as well. We've been
criticized for some weak findings in the past. Our ability to craft these
findings is related to the volume of Staff Reports that we write and review
and the schedules that we have to provide reports to the public in a timely
manner prior to hearings. The proposed ARB findings, the Staff and the ARB
recognize the need to improve the quality of Staff-prepared Architectural
Review Findings and reduce the number. In the past year or so, we've been
grouping findings into similar topic findings in our reports, and the ARB has
appreciated this. With the proposed changes, Staff will still be preparing
Context Based Design Criteria findings which are heavily focused on
compatibility and some other key features such as green building and
neighborhood compatibility. The ARB has adjusted the proposed findings
during their two hearings to make sure that no key criteria were left out.
The Planning and Transportation Commission did not provide additional
tweaking of the wording. Basically, the proposed findings, there are six of
them. The gist of it is—the first one is about compatibility and really
consistency with the Comprehensive Plan, Zoning Code, Title 18, and related
Context Based Design Criteria, which is contained in the Zoning Code, and
design guides such as Downtown and El Camino Design Guidelines. Number
2 is about having a coherent design with quite a bit there, and then the third
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is about high-quality materials. Fourth is about functionality. The fifth is
about landscaping, and the sixth is about green building sustainability. We
basically wanted to recapture key aspects of the existing findings and the
purpose section that's found in the Architectural Review Chapter 18.76. We
added some key verbiage to clarify and enhance the public's understanding.
We do recommend the Council adopt these findings that were presented
back in December of 2015 and continued for further analysis. We think that they will facilitate easier review, reduce writing and reading fatigue and
improve our analysis for the public and allow them to understand what we're
doing here with our Architectural Review projects. If there are any
questions, we're here to answer those. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. We'll first go to—one, I want to open the public
hearing at this time, then go to the Council for any questions before turning
to members of the public for their comments, and then returning to us for
discussion and Motion. Council Member Holman.
Public Hearing opened at 7:19 P.M.
Council Member Holman: Thank you very much for bringing this forward.
You're right in your comments, Amy, that we have received a number of
comments from the public, from the Council. Very likely you hear more from the applicants than we do about better clarity and better
understanding. More easily understandable findings would be helpful. I
appreciate all of that. One of the questions I have is the purpose of the
ARB—I know Jonathan and I had a couple of conversations maybe earlier.
Is the purpose of the ARB, is that possibly to be considered or could be
considered this evening? Is the item agendized in such a way that we could,
should we want to?
Cara Silver, Senior Assistant City Attorney: Thank you. Cara Silver, Senior
Assistant City Attorney. The matter is broad enough to address anything in
18.76; however, if you make changes to the ordinance, we would have to
assess whether that would require an additional first reading of the
ordinance. If those changes are substantive, then we would recommend
another first reading.
Council Member Holman: Thank you. If you can help us understand—so we
do have the Context Based Criteria that are applicable to CN, CC and CS
zoning districts. Those are pretty clear and pretty comprehensive. Not 100
percent, but they're pretty comprehensive. If you read through this—this is
my personal perspective. If you read through those and look at the kinds of
projects that we get, it seems like there's an inconsistency. If these are
applicable to those zones, why do our projects not better reflect this design
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criteria? Do we need to make them design standards? How do we better
incorporate these into our findings and in our Architectural Review? I guess
I should clarify here. When I was reviewing this, what I used to—the filter I
used to review these are my personal perspective of projects that we get,
the basis of appeals that we hear, and also public comment that we get, and
to some extent also comments that ARB members have made over time.
Context Based Criteria.
Mr. Lait: Would you like a response now?
Mayor Burt: Sure.
Mr. Lait: I think sort of inherent in the process is all of the projects that we
send forward to the Architectural Review Board and are ultimately reviewed
and approved by the Director do get evaluated to these findings. They do
get evaluated to the Context Based Criteria that are set forth in the Code,
the ones that you referenced, and also in the multifamily chapter as well. I
think that there is probably a dialog that could take place about the quality
of products that are coming out of that review process. I think there's a lot
that we do that the Council doesn't see or hear about, because I think the
vast majority of the projects that are going forward to the Architectural
Review Board as a major ARB have been satisfactorily reviewed perhaps by the community. There are some, of course, that will get the public's
attention; they're the larger projects. There is a review process that exists
for those projects. It starts off with the Architectural Review Board, with an
appeal to Council and action by the Council. It's this body also on appeal
that sits in and weighs in on the findings and also the design based criteria.
What might be helpful at a future session with the Architectural Review
Board and Staff at a joint meeting is to talk a little bit more about the
projects that we want to see come out of this project. I don't believe that
there's any amendments needed now to the Context Based Design Criteria,
but I would say that I do want to look at that. Our focus this round has
been to look at the ARB findings. I do think that a reassessment of the
Context Based Criteria could be helpful. There is another example of one of
the problems that Amy had talked about and we have in our Staff Report is
this fatigue that comes with reviewing projects to these standards. It's
extensive. It's a thick amount of paper that we have to review each project
to. I think that there may be an opportunity to even tighten these up, I
think, in the future as well.
Council Member Holman: Appreciate the explanation. I'm going to sound
like a critic here, because we are supposed to be giving a critical eye to this.
In that context, yes, there are a lot of projects that the Council doesn't
review, don't get appealed, blah, blah, blah. Yet, we're all members of the
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community. Speaking personally, I mean, I go around and I look at projects
that I'm not aware of until I see them built. I'm sometimes a bit
thunderstruck at how incompatible. In reviewing again today the Context
Based Criteria, actually they're pretty darned consistent with the South of
Forest Avenue (SOFA) 2 design standards and compatibility standards,
actually our compatibility standards. Finding Number 1 as it's being
recommended now says...
Mayor Burt: Council Member Holman, are these questions or did you want
to (crosstalk) comments?
Council Member Holman: They are. They are questions. Number 1 is the
design is consistent with (inaudible) elements, blah, blah, blah, and any
relevant design guides. Does any design—those relevant design guides,
does that include the Context Based Criteria?
Ms. French: I would like to answer that. The Context Based Design Criteria
are contained in the Zoning Code and they're in—the consistency with the
Zoning Code includes the Context Based Design Criteria. The relevant
design guides are intended to refer to El Camino Real, Downtown.
Council Member Holman: Then how are the Context Based Criteria
addressed by the ARB? Specifically and explicitly, how are they then addressed by and incorporated in the review process of the ARB so that they
are given the weight of their Code, their design criteria?
Mr. Lait: They're evaluated in the Staff Report, and then also in our findings
we articulate how a project is consistent with those standards.
Ms. Silver: If I could add to that. What I have seen over the past few years
is that it used to be that the Context Based Guideline findings were not
expressly made in, say, the Record of Land Use Action that eventually went
to Council. There were not specific findings made. More recently, Staff has
really focused on actually articulating statements and applying those findings
much more closely. You will see an actual discussion in the Staff Report or
in the Record of Land Use Action now for those context based findings where
they apply. They don't apply in every zone.
Council Member Holman: Exactly. Perhaps my last question at the moment
is—I had sent Staff earlier some recommended revisions to what's being
proposed by Staff. Under compatibility of the—again, I'm looking at the
Context Based Design Criteria. Under compatibility, it lists a number of
things, and I'm going to point to one which is "B2," the rhythmic pattern of
the street established by the general width of the buildings and the spacing
between them. What this says is that compatibility goals may be
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accomplished through various means including but not to limited to. Would
it be helpful if we even just added "and" at the end of each one of those? Is
this looked at now as a pick-and-choose, this-or-that, the most of these?
How is this viewed? I pointed to "B2" in particular because that's the one I
think we really don't adhere to. It doesn't seem clear to me that—maybe it
does Staff. We're looking to have a document or documents that are clear
to any passerby and not just reliant on the current Staff, current ARB members. Is this looked at as a pick-and-choose or the majority of or do we
need to have "and" there to make this clear that it's for all of these?
Mr. Lait: Again, I think it's appropriate for us, at some point in the near
future, to take a look at the Context Based Design Criteria. As far as how
we evaluate it today, we do not look at this as a menu that you can choose
from. It's to include all of these criteria, but not be limited to them.
Council Member Holman: I think those are my questions. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: First, I wanted to thank Alexander Lew, a member
of our ARB, for coming tonight. Thank you. I actually have kind of
administrative questions. The report referred to the Minutes of the ARB.
The question is how does the public find the Minutes. I've been searching on our website, and ARB Minutes don't appear to come up. You don't need to
answer; I guess the Clerk could figure that one out. I'm glad the links are
here; I went to the links. When did we—I thought with our Commissions
and Boards we had lengthier Minutes. These were kind of very short sense
Minutes. Did we change that at some point?
Mr. Lait: What I'm understanding from Amy is that we do short Minutes, the
Action Minutes, unless it's an item that's getting appealed to the Council,
and then we will ask for those Minutes to be transcribed.
Council Member DuBois: I think particularly with our Boards and
Commissions, I find the discussion to be the most helpful thing. I would just
ask if we can get more detail. I think most of the time from the Planning
and Transportation Commission (PTC) we get pretty much verbatim Minutes.
In this case, we had links and the Minutes were like a page each. It would
have been great to just have them in the report. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Schmid.
Council Member Schmid: I had the exact same question. I followed the
links to the Minutes and found out that the discussion on this item was
shorter than was in the current Staff Report, less than a paragraph. One of
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the functions of the ARB is to help Council and the public work through
issues, see alternate viewpoints and interpretations, see what the language
of the Code is used by professionals. I was just stunned to see there are no
Minutes. It makes it very difficult to—I know over the last couple of years
there's been a lot of negotiation back and forth between the ARB and the
Council. I would think that the Minutes of their discussions would be very
helpful in seeing how they are interpreting the language of the Code and how they want the public and the Council to do it. I had no notion of that.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Kniss.
Council Member Kniss: Talk about music to my ears. I was coming back on
a plane today, and I had lots of time to read the Minutes. This is what the
Minutes look like. Truly everyone, I know it's our fault, but I think it's
absolutely dependent on this Council to change this back. We don't have
Minutes any more. Most of you don't go listen to the verbatim; I know you
don't. I realize it's not quite a question, Mayor Burt. I'll make it a question.
Why does this look like this?
Mayor Burt: Can I just interject that we have processes by which we can
address this. Just so that those who are using this process to...
Council Member Kniss: Get frustrated.
Mayor Burt: ...look at policies around Minutes, this isn't the right place, but
there are places. We can have a Colleagues Memo. We are looking to
schedule an upcoming Committee as a Whole where we would be looking at
kind of a broader range of policy questions. Let's make sure that we channel
these concerns through just the right mechanism.
Council Member Kniss: Let me turn that into a question then. At the end of
that meeting, we had a Substitute Motion which failed. I'm not even sure
what the discussion was that caused it to fail. Do either of you remember
that? Either Staff member.
Mr. Lait: You're looking at the City Council Minutes from December 7, and
you're asking about the last amendment. That last amendment—there was
a ton of amendments. Which one are you looking for?
Council Member Kniss: I won't perseverate on it, because clearly it is out of
the realm of a question. Anticipate that I will bring a Colleagues Memo forth
that we can go back to having Minutes that really do make a difference, so
that when you're reading them and you don't happen to be where you're at
a computer and can pull up the Minutes, you're not completely stymied.
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Mayor Burt: I have a few questions. When Council Member Holman was
asking about whether the findings are all of the findings that need to be met,
I think your response was something to the effect that we currently interpret
it that way. I guess this is more directed perhaps to our legal Staff. Is it
clear that the findings are all findings must be met? Is that clear that that's
the intent?
Ms. Silver: I think Council Member Holman was talking about it in the context of context based findings. Are you referring to the ARB findings?
Mayor Burt: Go ahead, Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: To be clear—thank you. To be clear, for me it's
both. I have some recommendations when we come to Motions.
Mayor Burt: Both meaning the context findings and all of the findings? Is
that what you mean by both?
Council Member Holman: Yes, indeed.
Mayor Burt: My reference would include the context, but it actually is about
all findings.
Ms. Silver: I think with the ARB findings, because we've had 16 or so
findings in the past, there are certainly some findings for a particular project
that are not applicable. It's very common in Record of Land Use Action when we're addressing a finding that's not applicable, we will say this finding
is not applicable. The answer is no, we don't apply findings that are not
applicable.
Mayor Burt: That brings up an interesting subset. There are some that may
not simply apply. Others that apply but a project doesn't meet. For
instance, going forward we have a project; we have six findings and five of
them apply, and the project meets four of the five. Under our intent of this
ordinance, can that project be approved if it only meets four of the five
applicable findings?
Ms. Silver: No. Under the intent, it would not. It might be that we could
clarify that in this updated ordinance to make that crystal clear.
Mayor Burt: Thanks. Next, under Finding Number 2 on the second line, it
goes the project has a unified and coherent design and creates an internal
sense of order and desirable environment for occupants, visitors and the
general community. Does that mean that we're referring to the face of the
project to the community or is it somehow referring to—I don't think this is
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the case, but it was just ambiguous—that the project as those members of
the community who would enter the project, let's call it, enter the building or
whatever would find these characteristics to have been met. I'm assuming
that we're somehow meaning that as the project is visible from the outside,
it's to have those characteristics for the general community. Is that the
intent?
Mr. Lait: Yes.
Mayor Burt: It's only a little ambiguous there, but I want to try to reduce
any ambiguity that we do have. Finally, my last question has to do with
landscaping. Actually "5" and "6" both address landscaping; "5"specifically
in landscaping, and "6" as landscaping as it applies to sustainability. In "5",
we talk about utilizing drought-resistant plants, and then "6" we talk about
really sustainable landscaping. Is there an understanding or intent as to
what that means in terms of the type of plants? For instance, we could have
drought-resistant plants that are native to Australia or Africa or the Middle
East, and would pretty clearly meet "5" as it is written. I don't know
whether, under Staff's interpretation, it would meet the landscaping
component of "6." Can you tell me what the intent is in that regard?
Mr. Lait: There's a wide variety of drought-tolerant plants. If the Council were interested in making sure that we had drought-tolerant plants that
were compatible to the area or native to the area, we can add that
distinguishment [sic], if that's a word, in the findings.
Mayor Burt: I don't know whether Staff has reflected on this, but when you
talk about sustainable landscaping, does it mean that that is sustainable in
terms of its relationship to the natural environment and the species that may
thrive on it or is it simply mean that it is a sustainable water supply or its
impact on the water supply, which would be more narrow and, say, it just
can't consume a lot of water?
Ms. French: I would say that the original sustainable design green building
and actually prior to that green building finding, there was quite a body of
discussion about drought-tolerant and low-water use. I think that's been a
common theme. I think that's been the most common theme that has run
through since these conditions were established back when. I would say we
certainly apply it to that. Could it be applied more broadly? I think they're
worded in such a way that they can be applied more broadly.
Mayor Burt: It sounds like we may want to do that. As worded right now,
it's ambiguous as to whether it applies to a broader definition of what is
sustainable. I understand that, and I'm not disagreeing in the historic
context. I wanted to just have that understanding. That completes my
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questions. We have no other lights, so I'll turn to our member of the public
who has turned in a card, Robert Mos. Welcome.
Bob Moss: Thank you, Mayor Burt. I wasn't going to talk about this at first,
but after hearing some of your questions and comments and the Staff
comments, I had some thoughts. One of the problems we have in Palo Alto
is that the ARB does not look at individual homes that are built. We've had
some real monstrosities put in as a result. That's something that you might want to take under advisement. Second, the more of the discussion I heard,
the more confused I got about what's the intent of coherent and unified
design. Provides harmonious transition in scale and character to adjacent
land uses and land designations. If somebody came in with a Bauhaus-style
building—you know what that is—and put it in Professorville, totally
incompatible. There's a building like this on Amaranta. It's a two-story
cube, and the houses all around it are typically Eichler styles, one-story,
frame. No compatibility of design at all. Of course, there's no control on it.
They're sit there. That's just one example. I could give you a number of
examples throughout the City. What I've seen over time is that the ARB—
I've been to a number of ARB meetings—focus on the design in front of
them, and they tend to ignore what's on either side and what the context is of the new building that's coming and the buildings that surround it. You
could go all over Palo Alto and see some of these—let's be generous and call
them turds dropped down in developed neighborhoods. I'm just not
confident that the guidelines you're presenting tonight are going to really
direct the ARB to make sure that a new building really fits in the
neighborhood and really looks compatible and looks good. You could have a
beautiful Bauhaus-style building, which by itself was lovely—but you drop it
down next to buildings which are Eichlers, no compatibility at all. We have
to make sure that the ARB talks to the entire area, not just the building
they're looking at, which is what they tend to do right now.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. We'll close the public hearing at this time and
return to the Council for discussion and a Motion. Council Member Holman.
Public Hearing closed at 7:45 P.M.
Council Member Holman: I have, if you would, a procedural question.
Board Member Lew has come this evening. As our most senior Board
Member, I'm wondering if I might propose a Motion and ask him to comment
on it. Maybe other Council Members might have a desire to ask him about it
too. Would that be appropriate?
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Mayor Burt: I think it would be more appropriate if you simply want to ask
him a question. I don't think it's appropriate to ask even a Board Member to
comment on a Motion that is before the Council.
Council Member Holman: The only reason I asked it that way is because I
have several amendments. The only way for him to see them is to put them
up there.
Mayor Burt: If you have a specific question that you'd like to hear what I presume would be his personal opinion on ...
Council Member Holman: Yes, yes.
Mayor Burt: ... I'll grant that, but not in response to a Motion.
Council Member Holman: Good. You're giving authority for Mr. Lew to come
forward?
Mayor Burt: Sure.
Council Member Holman: Thank you for coming this evening. I guess first I
would give you the opportunity, if you have any comments you want to
make. Then I have a couple of questions for you.
Alexander Lew, Architectural Review Board Vice Chair: Why don't you start
with the questions, and then I'll ...
Council Member Holman: Good. There are a few things here. One is a question that often comes up, and the Mayor has brought it up a number of
times too. Does the ARB currently have the feeling that it has the authority
to and do these revised findings enhance that authority to reduce the size of
a project if it just isn't fitting on a site? The Mayor, for instance, and I both
have talked about ...
Mayor Burt: Can you clarify—I think it would be better—I'm sorry.
Council Member Holman: ... maximum Floor Area Ratio (FAR) being the
minimum FAR. Can the ARB ...
Mayor Burt: Council Member, can I ...
Council Member Holman: Sure.
Mayor Burt: I think it would be more appropriate to ask Mr. Lew if, as a
member of the ARB, does he feel this way rather than ask him what the ARB
feels.
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Council Member Holman: Yes, as a member of the ARB, do you feel that
that's clear?
Mayor Burt: No, does he feel he has.
Mr. Lew: I'm only speaking on ...
Mayor Burt: I don't want Mr. Lew to speak on behalf of his colleagues
without their authorization.
Council Member Holman: As an individual ARB member, then.
Mr. Lew: Yes, and I have recommended not approval on several projects in
the past because of that, because I felt like they couldn't meet some of the
compatibility findings. I would like to say, though, it's difficult to get a
majority to vote against a project solely based on the compatibility criteria.
I think whatever you guys decide tonight, trying to reinforce that all of the
criteria have to be met before a project is recommended for approval, I
think, is welcome.
Council Member Holman: Thank you for that. I struggled with language
because there are some projects that—a number of them that I see around
town that get built—it looks like the architecture is almost an afterthought.
It seems like a skin that's put on floor area ratio. I was trying to come up
with language that would sort of address the holistic aspect of a design. There's some wording that's in a Motion that you haven't seen yet. This is
where it would be helpful if you could see the Motion. What I have here is
"the project has a unified and coherent design as an aesthetically holistic
design of massing and materials." I don't know if you have any comment on
that or if you have any—do you understand what I'm talking about? This
kind of applied—it's not facadism, because that implies something else. You
know what I’m saying.
Mr. Lew: I have looked at your Packet. Under I think it's Number 3 of the
revised findings that talks about materials, my recollection is the intent of
that, as we discussed it at the ARB meeting, was really more in quality and
character of buildings. That wasn't addressed narrowly through, say,
setbacks or window patterns or whatever that are addressed in the first two
findings. I think that was our intent. As it's worded now, it's just materials.
If you wanted to make it broader, I think that—to my mind, that would meet
the intent of keeping that particular finding.
Council Member Holman: I guess from your personal experience, you said
that you as an ARB member do use the Context Based Design Criteria. Is
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there any way that you're seeing that they could be strengthened, their
importance could be strengthened in the findings?
Mr. Lew: I would say that my general feeling about the Context Based
Criteria is the way that they're written in our Code, it looks like design
guidelines. It looks like the design guidelines that we have for certain areas
of the City. It looks like that's pick-and-choose and not all of these apply.
Whatever we do in terms of formatting of them or structuring them so it's more like a checklist, to say that all of these things apply, I think would be
welcome. I think the Staff knows that. The Staff wants to bring that
forward in the future.
Council Member Holman: I think those are my only questions. If you have
...
Mayor Burt: While he's up here, Council Member Kniss has some questions
for Mr. Lew.
Council Member Holman: Sure, of course.
Mayor Burt: Then I can return to you, if that's all right.
Council Member Holman: I just wanted to give him the opportunity to make
any comments he wanted to. I'm happy to cede for questions.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Kniss.
Council Member Kniss: Thanks for being here. It's very nice of you to come
on a Monday night when you don't have to especially. Let me go backward
here for a minute. I want to talk about Number 2, the internal sense of
order which is an interesting comment. Then also the one comment you
made that really struck home is compatibility. I have some houses in my
neighborhood that are not compatible with mine. I'm not happy with them
at all, but it doesn't make any difference. It's their house. It was designed
apparently by some famous architect and wins all kinds of awards. Help me
with this. I live in a rather classic house. It kind of looks like a lot of other
houses in Palo Alto. I'm sort of comfortable with that. Apparently, in my
neighborhood in particular, experimenting with lots of different styles and
houses ...
Mayor Burt: Council Member Kniss, these don't apply to single-family
homes.
Council Member Kniss: Aren’t we talking about compatibility? I'm talking
about compatibility.
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Mr. Lew: I can take in large the questions to other buildings.
Council Member Kniss: No, I think it is compatible. It's compatibility.
Mayor Burt: The design criteria don't apply to single-family homes, correct?
Mr. Lew: Right.
Council Member Kniss: What Mr. ...
Mayor Burt: They don't review the single-family homes.
Council Member Kniss: No. Mr. Lew said that's the hardest thing that they deal with, compatibility. Did you not say that?
Mayor Burt: Yeah, but they don't deal with it on looking at single-family
homes.
Mr. Lew: We don't review houses. We review multifamily if it's more than
three units of residential and all the commercial buildings.
Council Member Kniss: That's all you were referring to?
Mr. Lew: Right, yes. Sorry if that was not clear. To your point, though, is it
about style, is it about different styles? I think that our compatibility
standards are geared towards massing, window patterns.
Council Member Kniss: We're on single-family homes, right?
Mr. Lew: No, on all buildings.
Council Member Kniss: Thank you.
Mr. Lew: It's not based on style; it's based on the underlying principles of
proportions and materials, colors and massing. You could have different
styles of buildings together on one street. In the end, they're supposed to
be sort of the same idea. That is actually what, I think, Palo Alto is about
and used to do very well. We've been struggling in recent years.
Council Member Kniss: Thank you. If I was slightly off the mark, thank you
for bringing it back and making a really cogent comment. I appreciate it.
Mr. Lew: I just have one follow-up comment on the Minutes, the ARB
Minutes. Several of you mentioned the Minutes. It's been an issue with the
Board as well. I think if you look at our recent meetings—I'm saying maybe
even the last two meetings—it's changed. You'll see more discussion points,
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and you'll see where the different Board Members have different opinions.
You won't just see one little blank paragraph that says the ARB discussed
this and then approved the project. You'll see that they're longer; they're
actually several pages longer. The discussion issues are listed.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. I want to return to Council Member Holman, who
had now comments.
Council Member Holman: Actually I have a Motion that I had provided to City Clerk previously. If you'd care to put that on the board. What I did in
this Motion was I took the recommendations by Staff and I—they've changed
a little bit. I put the changes or my edits in bold; it looks like they're now in
red. Maybe the easiest way—if you'll bear with me here, perhaps the easiest
way to go through this is starting with the findings and just going through
this. "Neither the Director nor the City Council on appeal shall grant
Architectural Review unless otherwise it is found that"—I added "at a
minimum each of the following findings is met." The first finding I did not
change. I hope the City Clerk, if not Council Members, will help me with
going through this to make sure that what I'm reading here is consistent
with what's on the screen. The second one, I'm going to refer back to a
comment that Alex Lew made. The second one, "the project has a unified and coherent design, is an aesthetically holistic design of massing and
materials"—the parenthetical here is just to explain why—"intended to avoid
superficial and applied appearance of design, creates an internal sense of
order and desirable environment for occupants, visitors and the general
community." I want to come back to that part of it and see if maybe—look
to Staff and see if the added part there should belong in Number 3
consistent with Board Member Lew's comments. I look to come back to
Staff with that. Ending that first section of Number 2 with an "and
preserves, respects and integrates"—I've added "existing natural features
and the historic character including historic resources of the area." "When
relevant" seemed clearer than "when appropriate." "And provides
harmonious transition in"—I added "size and mass." This is to try to
reinforce that the ARB can reduce the size of a building. It's trying to give
them a little bit more of that authority, because it's also one of the
complaints that we see. "Size and mass," and then going on with the Staff
recommendation "scale and character to adjacent land uses." Then with
Jonathan this afternoon, deleted "and land use designations," but then
added "is compatible within the context of existing development in that it
establishes design linkages with surrounding existing buildings so that the
visual unity of the street is maintained at a minimum by"—I added "at a
minimum" this evening. I added those four points there. Those four points
are pickups from—I think they're pretty much verbatim from Context Based
Design Criteria and the SOFA 2 design standards. Not every neighborhood is
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the same, and Context Based Design Criteria also don't apply to every part
of town, only the commercial districts. I added those there. I look forward
to any comments there. Picking up again with Staff recommendation, "and
enhances living conditions on the site if it includes residential uses and in
adjacent residential areas." Number 3 I did not change at all. "The design
is of high aesthetic quality using high-quality materials and appropriate
construction techniques, and incorporates textures, colors and other details that are compatible with and enhance the surrounding area. The design is
functional." I didn't change Number 4 either. "The design is functional,
allowing for ease and safety of pedestrian and bicycle access and providing
for elements that support the building's necessary operations, for example,
convenient vehicle access to property and utilities, appropriate arrangement
and amount of open space and integrated signage if applicable." Number 5 I
did change a few things here. "The landscape design is"—"suitable" seemed
to be an unusual word to use there, so I put "desirable." "Integrated and
compatible with the building and the surrounding area, is appropriate to the
site's functions and utilizes drought-resistant"—Mayor Burt, you may have
some comments here—"plant material capable of providing desirable habitat
and that can be appropriately maintained." The last one, in consult with Jonathan Lait, "the project incorporates design principles that achieve
sustainability and green building requirements in areas related to energy
efficiency, water conservation, building materials, landscaping and site
planning." We deleted "and sensible design," because who knows what "and
sensible design" means. That would be my Motion that I would put forth.
Council Member Schmid: Second.
MOTION: Council Member Holman moved, seconded by Council Member
Schmid to adopt an Ordinance which is a continuation of the annual planning
codes update discussed in December 2015 and contains amendments to the
Architectural Review approval findings contained in Chapter 18.76 of the
Palo Alto Municipal Code (PAMC) Title 18 as submitted in the Staff Report,
replacing Section 1 of the Ordinance with the following:
“(d) Findings
Neither the director, nor the City Council on appeal, shall grant architectural
review approval, unless it is found that at a minimum each of the following
findings is met:
1. The design is consistent with applicable elements of the Palo Alto
Comprehensive Plan, Zoning Code (including context-based design
criteria, as applicable) and any relevant design guides.
2. The project has a unified and coherent design, is an aesthetically holistic
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design of massing and materials (intended to avoid superficial and
“applied” appearance of design), creates an internal sense of order and
desirable environment for occupants, visitors, and the general
community, and preserves, respects and integrates existing natural
features and the historic character including historic resources of the
area when relevant; and provides harmonious transitions in size, mass,
scale and character to adjacent land uses, is compatible within the context of existing development in that it establishes design linkages
with surrounding existing buildings so that the visual unity of the street
is maintained at a minimum by:
(1) Siting, scale, massing, materials;
(2) The rhythmic pattern of the street established by the general
width of the buildings and the spacing between them;
(3) The sizes, proportions, and orientations of windows, bays, and
doorways;
(4) The location and treatment of entryways where applicable;
And enhances living conditions on the site (if it includes residential
uses) and in adjacent residential areas.
3. The design is of high aesthetic quality, using high quality materials and appropriate construction techniques, and incorporating textures,
colors, and other details that are compatible with and enhance the
surrounding area.
4. The design is functional, allowing for ease and safety of pedestrian and
bicycle access and providing for elements that support the building’s
necessary operations (e.g. convenient vehicle access to property and
utilities, appropriate arrangement and amount of open space and
integrated signage, if applicable, etc.).
5. The landscape design is desirable, integrated and compatible with the
building and the surrounding area, is appropriate to the site’s functions,
and utilizes drought-resistant plant material capable of providing
desirable habitat and that can be appropriately maintained.
6. The project incorporates design principles that achieve sustainability and
green building requirements in areas related to energy efficiency, water
conservation, building materials, landscaping, and site planning.”
Mayor Burt: It was seconded by Council Member Schmid.
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Mayor Holman: I don't really have much in the way of other comments,
other than to say I do have the question to Staff and colleagues if the
"aesthetically holistic design of massing" should be in Number 2 or Number
3 as Board Member Lew had suggested. Of course, look to the Mayor about
the drought-resistant plants. Any other comments. One thing that is not
part of this Motion, but something that I think the Council maybe ought to
consider—I don't think it would be within tonight's purview. Just a comment, I guess. In looking at how projects come to the City Council, we
rely on—because the ARB has very broad purview and very large projects go
before it that never does the Council see or the Planning Commission,
perhaps we ought to think about, as a future item, whether the Council has
some kind of call-up that it can entertain rather than relying on members of
the public expending their financial resources and personal resources to get
something to come to the Council. That's just a comment.
Council Member Kniss: Pat, could I ask a question of the maker of the
Motion?
Mayor Burt: Go ahead.
Council Member Kniss: Karen, on first blush, so called, this looks like it's ...
Mayor Burt: I'm sorry, Council Member Kniss. We need to allow the seconder to speak and then come to members.
Council Member Kniss: I just have a clarification to make when the time
comes.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Schmid.
Council Member Schmid: There's substantial new language. What caught
my attention were just some key words that have been inserted. In an
introductory sentence, the "minimum of each of the following." On two, the
insertion of "outwardly" is an important addition. A few lines down, the
insertion of "size and mass." A few lines down from that, the "unity of the
street." Under Number 2, "width and spacing" seems to me to be important.
In three, the focus on windows, bays and doorways is a critical issue. In
Number 5, entryways, being specific about that. Finally in Number 5, the
term "habitat." I think each of those adds a critical element that would be
helpful for the ARB and the public.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Kniss.
Council Member Kniss: Once again, now that we've clarified compatible. In
this context where it is used—I've now just lost my spot where it is. Where
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is the word "compatible"? Wherever it is, could somebody point out
"compatible," because it's in here? When we're talking about this as details
that are compatible with and enhance the surrounding area, are we asking
the ARB to interpret whether or not that's compatible?
Council Member Holman: If I might. The compatible criteria that we're
talking about actually is the third part of Number 2, is compatible within the
context of existing development. It's the third section of Number 2.
Council Member Kniss: We have compatible here three times as Pat just
said. Under Number 2, coming to Line 5, "is compatible with the context of
existing development and that it establishes design linkages with
surrounding, existing buildings so the visual unity of the street is maintained
at a minimum." I'm sure that that has great meaning to whomever is
judging it, but it always seems to me as though compatibility is a very
difficult judgment to make.
Mayor Burt: First, I think there was a question of whether it is intended that
the ARB will have the responsibility to interpret compatibility. Is it correct
that that would fall both on the Staff and the ARB, because the Staff is
making a recommendation based on whether a project is consistent with the
findings and then the ARB has a hearing on that? Is that correct?
Council Member Kniss: In each of those instances, you will look at it in that
way. Correct?
Mr. Lait: Yes
Mayor Burt: Council Member Berman.
Council Member Berman: (inaudible)
Mayor Burt: Do you want to go next?
Council Member Berman: I'll happily wait a minute.
Mayor Burt: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: First, I just want to thank Council Member Holman
for working on this ahead of time and putting it out there. You saved us a
lot of time. I think I support all the changes there. I particularly like the
specifics about compatibility in Number 2. I think Council Member Schmid
highlighted a lot of the things that are appropriate changes.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Berman.
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Council Member Berman: Tom, I was kind of counting on you for a little
more there, to buy me some time.
Mayor Burt: Do you want me to go next?
Council Member Berman: No, I'll go. Council Member Holman, a couple of
questions. I'm not an architect, and this is not my area of expertise by any
stretch of the imagination. I'm struggling to process all of this on the fly,
which is my main uncomfortability [sic]. I guess I kind of wish some of these changes would go by the ARB to the extent that any of them are big
changes to what they discussed and came up with. Maybe they aren't.
That's kind of where I'll start my questions. In "D2" you changed "respects
and integrates existing natural features and the historic character including
historic resources of the area." You changed it from "when appropriate" to
"when relevant." Does Staff or does the ARB or somebody have an idea for
what's the definition of "relevant" or what are the criteria for "relevant" and
how is that different from "appropriate"?
Mayor Burt: That's under which one again?
Council Member Berman: It's "D2," the big "2." This third part, I think. No,
the second part, excuse me. I don't know if that's for Staff or for Council
Member Holman or who.
Council Member Holman: If you want to ask me, it's like "when appropriate"
seemed like—"appropriate" seemed like it was a little more vague than what
I think the ARB would be using and the Staff would be using. When it's
relevant, it means that something is applicable, to my way of looking at it.
Maybe a bit of semantics, but that's why I changed it from "applicable" to
"relevant."
Council Member Berman: From "appropriate." Does Staff ...
Council Member Holman: Excuse me, from "appropriate" to "relevant." I'm
sorry.
Council Member Berman: No, I'm with you. How would Staff instruct the
ARB to interpret that, I guess?
Mr. Lait: Council Member Berman, in which specific section are you talking
about? (inaudible) Number 2 here?
Council Member Berman: It's "D2," the big "2," where it says "in regards to
historic resources of the area when relevant." There's been controversy
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about that with one of the projects currently. I guess, are we getting any
additional clarity as to when that would be relevant?
Mr. Lait: The way I read that reference to historic resources, one, we've
sort of set up historic character to sort of reflect the pattern of development
of a particular area, but also for consideration of historic resources. These
are properties that are on our inventory.
Council Member Berman: Historical resources list.
Mr. Lait: Yeah. We do that anyways, actually. Just as a part of review, we
look to see what is on the property from a historic standpoint. That part of
"2" I don't have a concern about. I have some reservations about some of
the other comments, if there's an opportunity.
Council Member Berman: Council Member Holman, you mentioned when
you cited that "1" through "4" under big "2," where did that come from
again?
Council Member Holman: It came from the SOFA 2 design standards and
also compatibility standards. It also is—I don't know word for word, but it's
pretty darned consistent with also what the Context Based Design Criteria
are. I put them in here because they're kind of basic and because the
Context Based Design Criteria only refer to the CD, CS and CN districts and not others.
Council Member Berman: Thank you. A similar question to what I just had
about the difference between "appropriate" and "relevant." In Number 5,
the landscape design is desirable. What does that mean and kind of
according to who? How is that meant to be interpreted? It seems like a
higher level, a higher standard I guess than suitable.
Council Member Holman: That would be a goal. "Desirable" is, I think, a
higher standard than "suitable." "Suitable" seems to be—again, it's a bit of
semantics. How I read "suitable" is it's even less than appropriate. It just
seemed like this provided some better clarity and some stronger oomph
behind what our goals are as a City.
Council Member Berman: Do we have something somewhere that—excuse
my lack of knowledge—says these things are desirable, these things are
suitable, these things are appropriate? I mean, how is that meant to be
interpreted by the ARB? I don't know if it's a question maybe for Staff
again.
Mr. Lait: I guess we do have ... We don't have any prescribed standards.
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Council Member Berman: I'm sorry, can you say that one more time?
Mr. Lait: We don't have any prescribed standards. I believe that we have a
plant palette or a mix of plants that we believe to be appropriate. When I
look at desirable, I think it's from the City's perspective. If there's a plant
palette or type of planting that we're looking to have, it's from that lens that
we would be looking at the desirability, not necessarily from the applicant's
idea of what would be desirable.
Council Member Berman: If I'm an applicant, how do I know that what I'm
proposing is going to meet the City's kind of expectations?
Mr. Lait: I think that's where we look to the other part of the finding.
Something for the Council to consider is whether we need the word
"suitable" or "desirable," and just have it read "the landscape design is
integrated and compatible with the building and surrounding area." That
may not be what the Motion maker's ...
Mayor Burt: When I speak, I'm going to have some suggested wording
changes.
Council Member Berman: Sounds like there will be some suggestions. Is
this covering the bottom of "6"? Sorry. Is everything covered—yes, it was.
Sorry. Thanks guys. Thank you.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: Thank you very much to the Staff and the ARB
for everything that went into this. Also, thank you, Council Member Holman,
for offering these amendments. I am, at initial glance, very sympathetic to
the proposed changes offered by Council Member Holman, but I'm also
interested in improving the process by which we approve these. I'm
wondering if we might want to send this with these changes for a quick
glance by ARB as well as Staff. I also wanted to check. I forgot to ask
whether our Chief Sustainability Officer and his department had weighed in
specifically on the stuff here about sustainability and materials, design and
efficiency. If not, I guess I would—I'll hear thoughts from Staff first, but I'm
inclined to after that offer a friendly amendment to have Sustainability Staff,
Planning, Legal Staff and the ARB just take a look at this. I do think there
are a lot of changes here, and it's substantially different from what the ARB
has already looked at. I would just like to get them to sign off on these
changes. They might have a couple of word tweaks that would just improve
it. I am largely sympathetic to these changes offered.
Mayor Burt: Thank you.
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Council Member Wolbach: I'm not—I was actually looking for Staff feedback
...
Mayor Burt: Sorry.
Council Member Wolbach: ...on that. Depending on that, I might offer a
friendly amendment.
Mr. Lait: With respect to the Chief Sustainability Officer, no we did not
engage that office in these findings. In fact, Finding Number 6 is not one that Staff originally was proposing as we thought it was sufficiently covered
in the City's Building Codes. This is something that is routinely looked at for
any development that takes place. Having it here is something that the ARB
was interested in having to sort of amplify the City's interest in these
important goals. From my perspective, I don't believe that they are
necessary to the Board's review of projects because...
Council Member Wolbach: Let me ask—if I might ask a follow-up to that. Is
there a mechanism that exists by which the ARB can seek input from or at a
routine process has input from the Chief Sustainability Officer on
sustainability or is that simply handled through the Planning Codes that the
Chief Sustainability Officer (CSO) helps to craft in the first place, then
specific applications are handled by Planning Staff?
Mr. Lait: The latter.
Council Member Wolbach: I'll offer a friendly amendment. That prior to our
next reading of this, that Staff and the ARB have an opportunity to look at
this version with these changes to offer either approval or minor changes or
feedback.
Council Member Kniss: I would second.
Council Member Wolbach: It was hopefully a friendly amendment.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Kniss, we allow the maker and the seconder to
accept or not accept that.
Council Member Kniss: Thank you, Pat.
Council Member Wolbach: I am really hoping this will be a friendly
amendment, because again I do like where the changes are going. I just
want to have the comfort of knowing others have seen it.
Council Member Holman: Question for Staff first. Does Staff view these as
substantive enough to merit additional ARB review and Staff comment or are
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these mostly and largely clarifications and enhancements? By the way, I
have not heard a response to the "aesthetically holistic design," if that
should be in "2" or "3." The first question being relevant to the amendment.
Mr. Lait: I guess if it were to be presented as this, I would like to go back to
the Architectural Review Board and get some more comments. With respect
to your second question, in light of the conversation, I think perhaps it
should be in Finding Number 3.
Council Member Holman: I'll accept the amendment. Can I work with David
then to get the language in "2" to be moved down to "3," given Jonathan's
input?
Mayor Burt: Your Motion. It'll be up to you and your seconder.
James Keene, City Manager: Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Burt: Yes.
Mr. Keene: I do agree with Jonathan. I mean, it's as much process. It's an
important enough issue. You've worked on it. Council Member Holman
certainly has a passion for this and has put a lot into this. I think we do
need to—there are a lot of words here that can be interpreted a lot of
different ways, and we ought to sort of vet that a little bit and get the—to
what extent are they—is there sort of a unified understanding or the potential for confusion in being to put that out there. The other thing I
would just say is that there's just a lot here. We made an effort to get the
Packet out 11 days in advance to have time to look at things. To make
changes like this, we want to be sure that we have some review process.
The only thing I would just say is it included the word "minor." I'm not
anticipating that the feedback could be minor changes. I wouldn't want to
get in an argument with Council that we came back and we're saying things
that weren't minor. I mean, a lot of these things are in the eye of beholder.
I think we just want to raise some questions, give some feedback, let you
know whether or not things were clear or they weren't clear. I just did want
to clarify. This is necessarily approving a first reading in the sense of the
ordinance itself as much as this is a first look at it. We'd be coming back
with some feedback for you to try to finalize the first reading. Thanks.
Council Member Schmid: Seconder would accept that and look forward to
getting Minutes from the ARB discussion.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion, “Direct Staff and the
Architectural Review Board to review the updated language prior to the next
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reading of this Ordinance and offer approval, feedback or changes.” (New
Part B)
Council Member Wolbach: If there are changes—I just want to check. Was
Staff recommending that we modify this amendment slightly to remove the
word "minor" and the word "feedback'? It would be "offer approval,
feedback or changes." Would that be okay with the maker and seconder as
well?
Mr. Keene: Thanks. If I just may say. We may have just questions and not
propose language, but the questions may be helpful to the Council also.
Mayor Burt: Questions is under feedback, I think. Was that accepted by the
maker and the second?
Council Member Holman: Yes, yes.
Mayor Burt: I have a few questions and comments. Generally, I think I'm
supportive of the bulk of these changes. I think it is appropriate that we
have this have more complete Staff and ARB review. When we look at it, we
have almost as much red here as black. While it may not be inconsistent
with what was there before, it's certainly substantial in terms of what it
adds. A first question. I don't know what the impact of, in the preamble
basically, adding "minimum" means. Council Member Holman, can you give me some explanation of what the intent is there?
Council Member Holman: I did query that. Again, there are other design
criteria. For instance, one that's often overlooked is SOFA 1 and SOFA 2.
That's why I wanted to be more inclusive on that aspect of it. Also, there
might be something that isn't covered here, but the Staff and ARB might say
this needs to be considered here.
Mayor Burt: On the SOFA 1 and SOFA 2, under Number 1, it says
"consistent with applicable documents, the Comp Plan, the Zoning Code and
any relevant design guides." SOFA 1 and SOFA 2 would be relevant design
guides for within SOFA 1 and 2 areas, for instance.
Council Member Holman: I don't look at SOFA 1 and SOFA 2 as design
guides. They are coordinated area plans. They include design standards
and design guides. I'm trying to be inclusive as opposed to exclusive.
Mayor Burt: The "at a minimum," actually the way it's written, it would
apply to all of the criteria, not that there may be other criteria that are not
referenced. For each of the referenced criteria, the application would have
to meet this "at a minimum." That's an implication—I think it's in some
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ways as problematic as ambiguity over whether all the guidelines must be
met, but it's the flip side. It's telling an applicant that we may require more
of you than what's in the criteria. I think that's problematic. We've talked a
lot about trying to provide a lot of clarity. When we look at the Staff Report,
that was one of their main ambitions, to provide applicants a better
understanding of how projects will be evaluated. When you throw in "at a
minimum" on everything, I think it actually moves away from that objective.
Council Member Holman: If I might. There are "ands" put in a number of
these locations, so I'd be okay with "as found that each of the following
findings is met" and take out "at a minimum." I'd be amenable to that if the
cosigner would be.
Mayor Burt: The seconder? Great.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to remove from the first paragraph of the Motion,
“at a minimum” after “unless it is found.”
Ms. Silver: Excuse me, Mayor Burt.
Mayor Burt: Yes.
Ms. Silver: I think that we would recommend that you insert "applicable
finding." The way these findings are structured, there still is some latitude where there are some findings that will not be applicable to each project. It
would read "unless it is found that each of the following applicable findings is
met."
Council Member Holman: I'm good with that.
Council Member Schmid: Yes.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the first paragraph of the Motion,
“applicable” after “each of the following.”
Mayor Burt: The maker and the seconder have accepted that Staff-
recommended change. The SOFA standards, are they standards or
guidelines? I was trying to recall. Standards.
Council Member Holman: (inaudible)
Mayor Burt: Amy, when we do have as standards, are they worded that
these are all things that must be met? Is that the way those are framed?
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Ms. French: Similarly to the Context Based Design Criteria. The issue with
the SOFA is it's not in the Zoning Code; it's its own animal. We could add
the phrase "or coordinated area plans" to the first finding. That would
capture SOFA and other ...
Mayor Burt: "And future coordinated area plans."
Ms. French: Yes, yes.
Council Member Holman: I'd agree with that, yes.
Mayor Burt: The seconder? We'll add to that first finding after the
parentheses "[comma] coordinated area plans and any relevant design
guides."
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion Subsection 1, “coordinated
area plans” after “as applicable.”
Mayor Burt: A couple of comments, and then I want to return to one more
aspect of this. Mr. Lew's comments were pretty interesting that in his
opinion it's difficult to get a no vote from the ARB solely based on
compatibility criteria. Yet, we have compatibility criteria currently. That
begs the discussion that Council Member Holman was asking earlier. I will
say that I think we have seen over the last year the ARB moving in a direction that is, I would say, more assertive toward applications and toward
insistence on meeting the criteria better. As the City Attorney stated, now
the Staff Reports are stating the findings and how a project is meeting the
findings. The statement by Mr. Lew gave me pause as to—for one thing, it
made me more supportive toward strengthening the findings and making
them more clear and more concrete. I basically have a question of if we
have this requirement in the preamble that removes the ambiguity on
whether it is cherry-picking findings or all of them must be met, that seems
to help. Do we need anything else to make it clear to the ARB that if they
can't make an applicable finding, they are not allowed to approve a project?
That's really what the ordinance says, and I don't think that's their
understanding. From everything I have heard, they believe that the findings
are guidelines for their discretionary approval of a project as a whole and in
its entirety and not a set of findings that each must be met.
Mr. Lait: Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to explore that further with the
Architectural Review Board. I would say that if that were true about the
Architectural Review Board's perspective on the ARB findings, it is not the
true perspective of the Director, who is the one who is actually approving
the projects. From a Staff perspective, we look at this as every applicable
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finding needs to be answered in the affirmative in order for it to get an
approval. We can certainly look at how we might adjust the language here
to be explicitly clear about that. I also think with respect to your other
comment about the sort of strengthening or sharpening our focus on that,
we're trying to take this from a couple of different angles. Another angle
that's sort of in the background of all this is our Staff Reports. We've made
some changes to our Staff Reports that are going to be coming online, I believe, next month where we're drilling down on these areas a little bit
more specifically, so that we're sharing that.
Mayor Burt: The other way that we approach some of this is, for instance,
we have context based guidelines. I'm sorry, what do we call them? Yeah.
Within them are some drawings of examples of what is contextually
consistent in several regards. It strikes me that maybe we need to look at
additional examples that aren't covered well enough in the context
guidelines. We may not want to—we may or may not want to have
examples that maybe are in Palo Alto or outside. In the current ones, we
have abstractions of examples, I think. I don't think we have any concrete
"this building in this environment." I think about some of the buildings at
Stanford in recent years that are distinctly modern buildings abutting historic buildings on campus, that also to most viewers would be viewed as being
contextually compatible. You look at colors and materials, and then even
certain architectural mass and scale and lines. A lot of the elements that
you look and you just go, "That's really interesting. That's a distinctly
modern building right next to an historic building, and it works." Then we
have other places in town where we have sometimes really distinctive new
buildings that are higher quality than we might get on average in the
community and stick out like a sore thumb in their context. We just haven't
been doing a good job for a long while on this. I think that the Council had
been hesitant for quite a while to really intercede in this decision-making.
Starting about two years ago, we kind of said enough's enough, or a number
of us. I think we're now moving in the right direction. I think that this
clarity that's being provided here will help. I think that we may still be
missing some aspects of references to what meets these, so that people can
see examples, both the public and the ARB, to what is our intent. That may
be something that Staff would want to look at considering. I'm not going to
recommend putting that in the Motion. Now I want to just go to that final
part which is around the landscape. First, I think "desirable" is a
problematic word. I don't know in whose eyes something is desirable. I
don't think it's very concrete nor clear. I'm not sure that what I'm going to
offer is as good as we may want. I was thinking along the lines that we
want to complement and enhance the building design. We aren't just saying
that it's good landscaping. It's good landscaping in relation to that building.
We want it to be high-quality landscaping, and maybe we need to emphasize
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that. Maybe that's what's even intended by the word "desirable" over
"suitable." "Suitable" implies it's adequate. "Desirable" seems to imply that
it's good. Once again, we don't want just good buildings or good
landscaping; we want good landscaping that relates to those buildings and
to those surroundings again. I'd offer—as a substitute for "desirable," I
would offer the language "complements and enhances the building design
and its compatibility with its surroundings."
Council Member Holman: You've got "the landscape design complements
and enhances"?
Mayor Burt: Yes, "the landscape design complements and enhances the
building design and its surroundings."
Council Member Holman: I'm good with that.
Mayor Burt: Seconder?
Council Member Schmid: Yes.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to replace in the Motion Subsection 5, “is
desirable, integrated and compatible with the building and the surrounding
area” with “compliments and enhances the building design and its
surroundings.”
Mayor Burt: Thank you. Then this final part about what do we mean when
we talk about sustainable landscaping. I've spoken briefly about this. I
think that as we move toward over time an ever more urban environment
and one where we have filled in the very last remaining plots that haven't
been developed in our community, and as we at the same time appreciate
the need to not only preserve but help reestablish a natural environment
within an urban setting, we have to be deliberate in doing that. This is
actually a real opportunity to begin to do so. I've alluded to, for instance,
Stanford Research Park where we have really large areas of passive
landscaping that on their own we're seeing some evolution in a positive
direction at the present time. Historically, they were a lot of turf and
junipers. I don't know if you've tried to be a bird or a bug living in turf or
junipers, but it's not the most hospitable environment. I would
recommend—let's see. We currently have "the project green building
requirements in areas related to energy efficiency, water conservation,
building materials, landscaping." I think that the most appropriate place
may be in the—to give greater clarity—preceding finding. It says "and
utilize." I would offer a substitution of "utilizes to the extent practicable
indigenous, drought-resistant plant material." The key aspects of this are
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not saying that every plant has to be indigenous, but we want to push it to
the extent it's practicable. Second, that it is not merely drought resistant
but, as much as we can, we have indigenous plants that are also drought
resistant.
Council Member Holman: If you're looking at what's on the board, is that ...
Mayor Burt: Yes.
Council Member Holman: I'm good with that.
Mayor Burt: Maker and seconder?
Council Member Holman: Yes, yes.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion Subsection 5, “to the extent
practical, indigenous” after “functions, and utilizes.”
Mayor Burt: That's all I have.
Council Member Holman: We still do need to return to the switching of "2"
and "3" that Staff had said we should do and based on Board Member Lew's
comment. In Number 2, we take the language "is an aesthetically holistic
design of massing," that whole bolded or in this case red comment, and put
that in Number 3 instead. "The design is of high aesthetic quality," and then
insert what was in Number 2 there. I believe that's what Staff was intending as well. Isn't that what you were indicating?
Mr. Lait: Striking that—the question was where would that reference be
best made. I agree that it's in "3." As we go to the ARB, we'll look at the
words that we're using to describe that.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to remove from the Motion Subsection 2, “is an
aesthetically holistic design of massing and materials (intended to avoid
superficial and “applied” appearance of design)” and add to subsection 3, “is
an aesthetically holistic design of massing and materials (intended to avoid
superficial and “applied” appearance of design)” after “high aesthetic
quality.”
Mayor Burt: If I might just add kind of some wrap-up comments. One, I
actually do value the input from Staff and the ARB that we will receive to
this. At the same time, I'm very encouraged by what we have here in
principle and in, for the most part, the details. I think that this can have a
very significant effect on the evolution of our projects to being higher
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quality, more sustainable in a number of different ways, and more
compatible with surroundings. I think these are things that have been
extremely important to the community. As our struggles here tonight to try
and get right language indicate, trying to translate "we see it, we like it or
we don't like it" into guidelines is not an easy task. I think we've moved in
the right direction here. I'm actually really looking forward to not only
seeing this come back to us, but seeing in the coming years the impact of this new ordinance and how it'll affect projects. I think this is good work.
Mr. Keene: Mr. Mayor?
Mayor Burt: Yes.
Mr. Keene: I most likely won't be involved in the detailed conversations with
the Staff and the ARB. I just noticed one thing, a potential internal
consistency issue particularly given the comments on drought-resistant
plants and all the sustainability comments. That is in "2." I understand the
intent in the second line that says "and integrates existing natural features."
I'm a little concerned that the word "existing" could be very prescriptive
depending upon what that is. I mean, that could mean there may be some
nonnative plants and natural features that actually we would want to be
replaced in a fashion, and would that restrict us from being able to do that. Does that mean almost anything that is existing as a current natural feature
couldn't be changed in any way?
Mayor Burt: Good question. Council Member Holman, can you clarify what
you meant by that?
Council Member Holman: Yes. I appreciate the comment as well. It
wouldn't be—if you have a scrub oak, that doesn't mean that we want it
preserved. It's a good comment. Since this is going back to the ARB, I look
for them to maybe provide an adjective there. One's not occurring to me
right at this moment. What I was really focused on here—this is what
happens when an individual looks with their own focus and filter. What I
was looking to there was—it was part of the conversation I had with
Jonathan Lait—I don't think enough of our projects respect even heritage
oaks and historic resources. They look at how can I work my project in
without totally destroying those as opposed to projects that start with
"here's a great resource; here's a heritage oak; how do I build a project that
really features this resource." That's where I was coming from.
Mayor Burt: I'm wondering whether what we're trying to do is talk about
existing natural features that contribute positively to the project.
Council Member Holman: To the community actually.
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Mayor Burt: Yes, but they're onsite. Maybe we have something
(crosstalk)—pardon me?
Council Member Holman: Why not what you just said?
Mayor Burt: "Contributing"?
Council Member Holman: "Natural features that contribute positively to the
site and/or community."
Mayor Burt: Just say "site" because everything's in the context.
Council Member Holman: "Contribute positively to the site."
Mayor Burt: That'll be fine by me. Seconder? Thank you.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion Subsection 2, “that
contribute positively to the site” after “natural features.”
Council Member Holman: Thank you for that, both of you.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Kniss.
Council Member Kniss: One last question before we vote. I think we've
changed this rather substantially. What it says in the amendment, Cory, is
"for approval, feedback or changes." If they don't approve, what happens?
Mayor Burt: My understanding is that we would hear back and say Staff
recommends these changes which is not essentially approval or ARB or Staff could say, "We think this whole thing's bunk." I think a little more likely is
that they would come back and say, "We would recommend the Council
consider such-and-such change from your Motion."
Council Member Kniss: In that case, I can feel comfortable with it. We
really have changed this a great deal. It's quite prescriptive as far as if
somebody comes in and—looking at the back of room—if they come in, this
is a lot to follow. I'd like that same time and plot that you suggested,
Council Member Wolbach. I'd like that time to digest this and see whether
or not there are things in this that red flag when you finally take a look at
them long term. We're discussing something that's going to be around for a
long time. We're discussing something that I think is quite prescriptive. If I
were an applicant and took a look at this, I think the first thing I would do is
hire a consultant to say, "Get me through this so that I can build something
on that piece of land." We're talking about plants. We're talking about the
building. We're talking about the siting. There's nothing we have left out of
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this when it comes to the applicant. Thank you, Cory, for putting that in
such a way that I can vote for it tonight, and that we have another bite at
this apple so that we can really digest it and move on for the next round.
This is our second round. There will probably be at least a third.
Mayor Burt: I'm seeing a bunch of lights pop up here. Let's be real quick.
Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: I was just going to emphasize that again one of the intents of this whole endeavor was to keep this as concise and clear as
possible. Just I think it's already clear, but just wanted to emphasize that
my encouragement to Staff and to the ARB to—if there are any wording
changes that can remove any redundancies, if they're found, that would be
useful.
Mayor Burt: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: Even though it looks like a lot of red here, I would
point out that we used to have 16 findings; we got down to six. I think it's
movement in the right direction. I actually like—six or ten. Still, even these
had subs before. I think we actually took a strong step in the right direction.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: It has to do with the last and, I think, positive edit that was provided here in Number 2, "natural features that contributed
positively to the site." Then the language gets to be murky. Rather than try
to come up with language there, can we just for the purposes of this going
forward to the ARB say that "preserves, respects and integrates" and then
put a bullet "existing natural features," blah, blah, blah, and bullet "the
historic character including historic resources." Leave it to the ARB and Staff
to come up with appropriate language, because right now it reads really
funky. Can we do that, David?
Mayor Burt: That's just a restructuring; it's not a restatement.
Council Member Holman: For clarity, yes.
Mayor Burt: We'll just let everybody look at that change before we ...
MOTION RESTATED: Council Member Holman moved, seconded by Council
Member Schmid to:
A. Adopt an Ordinance which is a continuation of the annual Planning
Codes update discussed in December 2015 and contains amendments
to the Architectural Review approval findings contained in Chapter
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18.76 of the Palo Alto Municipal Code (PAMC) Title 18 as submitted in
the Staff Report, replacing Section 1 of the Ordinance with the
following:
“(d) Findings
Neither the director, nor the City Council on appeal, shall grant architectural
review approval, unless it is found that each of the following applicable
findings is met:
1. The design is consistent with applicable elements of the Palo Alto
Comprehensive Plan, Zoning Code (including context-based
design criteria, as applicable), coordinated area plans and any
relevant design guides.
2. The project has a unified and coherent design, creates an internal
sense of order and desirable environment for occupants, visitors,
and the general community, and preserves, respects and
integrates:
• existing natural features that contribute positively to the site
and
• the historic character including historic resources of the
area when relevant; and provides harmonious transitions in size, mass, scale and character to adjacent land uses , is
compatible within the context of existing development in
that it establishes design linkages with surrounding existing
buildings so that the visual unity of the street is maintained
at a minimum by:
(1) Siting, scale, massing, materials;
(2) The rhythmic pattern of the street established by the
general width of the buildings and the spacing
between them;
(3) The sizes, proportions, and orientations of windows,
bays, and doorways;
(4) The location and treatment of entryways where
applicable;
And enhances living conditions on the site (if it includes
residential uses) and in adjacent residential areas.
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3. The design is of high aesthetic quality, is an aesthetically holistic
design of massing and materials (intended to avoid superficial and
“applied” appearance of design) using high quality materials and
appropriate construction techniques, and incorporating textures,
colors, and other details that are compatible with and enhance
the surrounding area.
4. The design is functional, allowing for ease and safety of
pedestrian and bicycle access and providing for elements that
support the building’s necessary operations (e.g. convenient
vehicle access to property and utilities, appropriate arrangement
and amount of open space and integrated signage, if applicable,
etc.).
5. The landscape design compliments and enhances the building
design and its surroundings, is appropriate to the site’s functions,
and utilizes, to the extent practical, indigenous drought-resistant
plant material capable of providing desirable habitat and that can be
appropriately maintained.
6. The project incorporates design principles that achieve
sustainability and green building requirements in areas related to energy efficiency, water conservation, building materials,
landscaping, and site planning.”
B. Direct Staff and the Architectural Review Board to review the updated
language prior to the next reading of this Ordinance and offer
approval, feedback or changes.
Mayor Burt: Let's vote on the board. That passes unanimously with Council
Member Filseth and Vice Mayor Scharff absent. That concludes Item
Number 7. Thank you, thank you.
MOTION AS AMENDED PASSED: 7-0 Filseth, Scharff absent
8. Direction to Staff Regarding Downtown Palo Alto Parking Wayfinding
and Parking Guidance Systems Design.
Mayor Burt: We'll now move on to the Downtown parking wayfinding and
parking guidance systems. Staff has recommended that the Council direct
Staff to solicit bids for construction of the Downtown parking wayfinding
design in the blue color scheme and direct Staff to prepare plans and
estimates for construction and installation of Automated Parking Guidance
System, APGS—I say that with emphasis because I'm expecting to hear
many hallelujahs from the community—with preference for single space
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monitoring in the Downtown Palo Alto parking garages and to solicit bids
when funding becomes available. Welcome. Who would like to kick it off?
Jessica Sullivan, Transportation Planning Manager: Good evening, everyone.
Jessica Sullivan, Transportation Planning Manager. I'm glad to (inaudible)
with this update tonight. As Mayor Burt mentioned, we're doing two things
tonight. We're really giving you an update on projects which we've been
working on for the past several months, and we're also soliciting your feedback on how to move forward with these projects. The projects we're
going to be talking about are the parking guidance systems, the APGS, as
well as parking wayfinding. I'm going to give kind of a quick overview of
how we got to where we are this evening, and then I'm going to hand this
over to Sue-Ellen Atkinson, who's our parking and TDM lead for the City.
She's going to give you an overview of the two projects side-by-side. Just to
take a step back for a minute. Most of you remember our three-legged stool
of parking management, Transportation Demand Management (TDM) and
then our parking supply measures. Tonight we are very much focused on
the parking management leg of the stool. As you remember, parking
management strategies are all about trying to really regulate and manage
our existing parking, so that we're using it as effectively as we can, specifically looking at technology systems that help us do that as well as
improvements in parking wayfinding signage. Just a little bit of background
on these two kind of components of our program. There was a nexus fee
study in 2004, which was then updated in 2007, which mentioned the
applicability of parking guidance systems for transportation impact fees.
Moving ahead a few years, we did a study in early 2014 with a consultant
who kind of looked at our Downtown parking system sort of holistically and
noted that there were some potential improvements we could make. One of
the most important findings out of that study was the improvements in
parking wayfinding and regulation were needed. They noted we had some
inconsistent signage and branding, and ultimately this was sort of less than
desirable for customers who are coming Downtown and trying to locate
parking. On August 18th, the Council directed us to proceed with an
Request for Proposal (RFP) for a couple of things, parking access and
revenue controls and parking guidance systems. We ultimately awarded a
contract to Walker Parking on May 4th of last year. We're going to give you
tonight an update on what they've done. In addition, we also moved
forward with a separate project to look at parking wayfinding. Wayfinding,
as distinguished from parking guidance systems, is really the signage that
helps us find where the parking lots are. Once we're there, the parking
guidance systems help us locate the spaces that are empty. Kind of moving
forward with these two separate contracts. We looked at our wayfinding,
and we looked at parking access and revenue controls and the parking
guidance systems. During the stakeholder discussions, one of the things
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that came out was that ultimately everybody loved the idea of improved
wayfinding. They loved the idea of parking branding. Everybody loves
parking guidance systems. Maybe not everybody loves parking access and
revenue control systems, maybe not yet. One of the things we decided to
do kind of out of that stakeholder engagement was actually split these
projects up. We moved forward with the wayfinding and the parking
guidance systems projects. What we've done is we've actually sort of put the parking access and revenue control systems for the garages on a
separate track. The reason for that is ultimately a couple of things. People
are still hesitant about the idea of paying for parking in the garages.
Additionally, this year we are embarking on what we're calling the Downtown
Parking Management Study, which is going to look holistically at parking
pricing and regulation sort of all throughout the Downtown core. A lot of
folks sort of felt that it makes more sense for us to charge for parking on the
street before we charge for parking in the garages, because ultimately we
want to direct people to fill up the garages first, before we have them park
on the street. Because of that, you can see we've kind of split the projects
now into two separate tracks. We're going to give you an update on the
parking wayfinding and the guidance systems this evening. The parking access and revenue controls will be sort of explored in tandem with the
Downtown Parking Management Study which we'll be kicking off later this
month. That's sort of an update on how we got to where we are. I'm going
to hand this over to Sue-Ellen so she can give you an update on the
projects.
Sue-Ellen Atkinson, Parking Operations Lead: Thank you. As Jessica
mentioned, the existing parking wayfinding in Downtown is, at best,
inconsistent and perhaps confusing also. We have some snapshots of
different existing signage within the Downtown area. Upper left corner the
banners that are up in the parking lots that are difficult to see from afar, and
they don't identify which lot you're in. We also have the waist-high
monument signs outside of each surface lot that are very difficult to see
unless you're right up next to one. We also have several—on the right-hand
side you see the parking signs that direct you in three different ways to find
parking, which when you're driving can be downright confusing when you're
trying to decide if you're going left, right or straight when you're told to go
all three ways. We also have different signage at each of the garages. The
first thing that our design consultant did was to look at what's actually on
the ground and how that can actually be improved. We've all experienced
being on University Avenue. People don't know where to go to find parking.
They're seeing these signs that tell them to go to the left, to go to the right.
What our consultant did was look at how we could cohesively put together a
parking brand that would be easily identifiable as a parking garage that's
associated with the City and also placing those signs in key decision points
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to help people get where they need to go faster. Taking a step back at
parking branding. We've seen parking branding for private garages. Just
noting that it's also something that does exist in many other cities. Notably
Pasadena, on the lower level of these drawings, is where our design
consultant also did work. Beverly Hills, other cities all have very distinct
parking brands that, when you drive around and you see that sign, you
know that that's a city garage. It helps build a level of trust, and you know that that's somewhere that you can go to park off-street. As part of the
parking wayfinding and branding, our design consultant has proposed a
slight renaming of the surface lots and off-street garages in the Downtown
area. As nice as Lot S and Lot X are for us, it makes more sense if it's in a
uniform pattern. What they've suggested is an alphanumeric system from
east to west. The numeric numbers would be the surface lots, and then the
alphabetical would be the parking structures east to west. You know if you
park in Lot A that's a garage. It's a letter, and it's on the easternmost
portion of Downtown. It helps people gauge where they parked directionally
so that they can easily find their way back to where they parked. To start
the parking branding and wayfinding design process, our consultant asked
the stakeholders what is a universally recognizable symbol in Palo Alto. We all came back to the City logo with the tree that residents and visitors alike
are very familiar with. That's where the consultant started, with the green
color that's recognizable in Palo Alto, and took it through a menu of options
and came up with a few different iterations that we went through, then
coming up with a few designs, the stakeholders vetting them, and then the
designer going back and coming up with some other designs. What they
came up with was a couple of designs that were all in a green color. At the
request of one of the stakeholders, the design consultant also came up with
another color scheme in a blue. The stakeholder requested another color
option just for creativity and to be something different than green. The first
step of vetting these two colors, the green and the blue, was to create field
mockups. Please don't judge the photos; I'm not a photographer.
Essentially the design consultant sent full designs of three different types of
signage. A huge thanks to Public Works Staff for helping me get these signs
up in the field. We had them installed at three different parking lots
Downtown for the public and for Staff and for the ARB to go out and see in
the field. It was a really great exercise in seeing how these signs would
actually look. This first page is the initially preferred option of green in the
field. What we all noticed when we were in the field is that the green really
blends in with all the trees that we have around Downtown, and it was
difficult to see. While the green signage is still the preferred option by the
majority of stakeholders, consultant, Staff and the ARB felt that it was
difficult to distinguish. We looked then at the blue signage, which stood out.
It was crisp; it was clean and was certainly the preferred option for our
design consultant team, for City Staff, and it was unanimously supported by
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the ARB. Moving forward with that Staff recommendation in the blue color
scheme, the design consultant came up with a menu of different types of
signage that would be installed Downtown. Outside of each surface lots,
there would be these pylons that are in the center. There would be signage
that would be attached in a cantilever fashion to the outside of the garages.
There would be monument signs outside of the surface lots and the garages
with detailed information about any parking fees, permit restrictions, hours, that sort of thing. What you might see on the sign on the lower left-hand
corner is a real-time parking occupancy. That real-time parking occupancy
has been designed into several design types by our consultant to tie into the
automated parking guidance systems or APGS that we've heard a lot of
residents are very excited to talk about. The automated parking guidance
system is the system that gives you real-time occupancy in the Downtown
garages. It tells you how many spaces are available or it tells you if the
facility is open or closed. It can help reduce traffic congestion Downtown by
telling people where spaces are available. Instead of waiting for that one
person to pull out of an on-street space, they know that there are 20 spaces
available in Bryant/Lytton, "I'm going to go there." It helps to increase the
utilization of the existing off-street parking spaces, and it helps the City with a positive perception of our parking system. You've probably seen these in
several places before. Here are some examples that our consultants have
provided of Automated Parking Guidance Systems in action. We again went
through a stakeholder process as part of this parking guidance system. The
first meeting that we had with the stakeholders was really a discussion
session on gauging their feedback on what they think about signage and
parking in Downtown and how they could see a parking technology helping
with the perception of parking and with the ease of finding parking. A lot of
words that we heard were congested, frustration, people need help, need to
know where they can find places. Again, "frustrating" was mentioned a
number of times. Taking that information forward into the different types of
systems that were available, the consultant could start to determine some
idea of what would work best for Palo Alto. Tying in the parking branding,
wayfinding and with the parking guidance systems, this is just a mockup of
what these types of systems could look like in Downtown. Again, that blue
color is the Staff recommendation. They also mocked up the green color.
These signs can either give a full facility count, saying like 120 spaces are
available in the full garage or they can give a level-by-level count, so 20
spaces on Level 1, 50 spaces on Level 2. As I mentioned, there are a few
different types of parking guidance systems. The first is a facility count
parking guidance system. That's kind of the base-level system. You may
have seen these in City of San Jose; Seattle, as mentioned here, has this
type of system also. It displays open or full or a total count of spaces
available in the whole facility. It doesn't break it down any further. It
doesn't give any information about where those spaces are available. Being
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a very basic system, it's not very accurate, and it still requires manual
calibration and counts. Staff would still have to go in and count parking
occupancy, because this system does not have any way of giving that very
accurately. The second type of system is a level parking guidance system
that's kind of the middle of the road option. This gives parking occupancy
by level or zone, so it could go Level 1, Level 2, Level 3 or it could break it
down into smaller zones if necessary. By giving the different levels that parking is available, it does help to reduce emissions slightly because people
are not circling around a garage looking for that elusive ten spaces that's
available. They know that they can go to Level 3 and find a space
somewhere. However, it does not direct patrons to exactly where that space
is. If they know that there are ten spaces on Level 3, they go up to Level 3,
but they don't have any idea where those spaces are available. There is still
some circling that happens. As a result of not knowing exactly where the
open spaces are, the garage might be perceived as full before it is actually
fully occupied. This system also is not 100 percent accurate, and it does
require manual counts. This type of system is currently in place at the
Winchester garage at Santana Row, if you're familiar with that garage, and
at the Fifth and Mission garage in San Francisco. The final type of system is the single space parking guidance system. This builds onto the level count
system by indicating exactly where parking spaces are available through the
use of LED indicator lights that are mounted above each parking stall. Those
indicator lights change colors either based on occupancy or based on space
type. It could be a certain color for permit parking; it could be a certain
color for hourly parking. This system is conducive to differentiating between
hourly and permit parking, giving us counts of how many hourly spaces
versus permit spaces are available. It can also indicate spaces that are
handicapped, spaces that are for valet, or spaces that are reserved for some
other use. It's a dynamic system, very flexible, that can be maintained
offsite. We could in the future control what spaces or what color or what use
essentially. If we're seeing that the permit spaces are full, but there are
plenty of hourly spaces available, we could convert some hourly spaces to
permit by changing the color of the light. That's a very, very dynamic and
nimble system. By having the lights over each stall, people can look down
an aisle and see where there's a green light and go directly to that open
space, making this the greenest option. It reduces the emissions the most
of any parking guidance system available. This system is currently in place
at Valley Fair in San Jose. Any of these systems would require a hardwire
connection to the Downtown network. Any of these systems, there are
different ways to sense the vehicles, because any of these systems would
require sensing the vehicles obviously. The first option for vehicle sensing is
a loop. That's where cuts are made in the concrete, a loop is installed. It's
a very basic option, least expensive. It's also the least smart, if you will,
and the least reliable because the maintenance is very difficult. You need to
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saw into the slabs to install. It's not as nimble at recognizing the difference
between vehicles and other objects like motorcycles, bikes, etc. A second
option for vehicle detection is an ultrasonic system. That's kind of the mid-
level option. It requires cabling and conduit to be installed overhead. It
senses objects by measuring the sound waves. It's a little better at
distinguishing what's a car versus what's an animal but still not 100 percent
accurate. The third option is a camera system. That is the most expensive, but it is the most accurate. The cameras can identify cars versus other
objects, but they do only identify what's a car. It doesn't identify license
plates unless specifically designed to do so. It doesn't identify color of car,
that sort of information. Looking at the stakeholder feedback, looking at the
existing conditions in Palo Alto, the consultant recommendation is to install
the single-space parking guidance with LED indicator lights in the Downtown
garages. It's the most accurate and flexible system. It gives us the most
nimble operation of the parking garages once installed. They recommend
ceiling-mounted camera sensors and LED lights at each stall. On the roof
levels where there's nowhere for a ceiling-mounted object to go, they
recommend wireless, surface-mounted sensors. There would be monument
signs at each garage entry that would indicate the number of spaces available on each floor and real-time parking occupancy data would be
available from the system for use on the City website for third-party apps,
etc. Looking at the very rough planning-level cost estimates, the primary
recommendation from the consultant is that single-space parking guidance
system with the indicator lights. The probable cost for installation of that
system, recognizing that it would be retrofit into the existing garages and
including an estimate for communications infrastructure and network
connections, is roughly $2 million. The alternate one identified by the
consultant is a single-space system with sensors only. That would just—it
would have a single-space count, but it would not have the indicator lights
that would identify what spaces or what type or which spaces are available.
That cost is about $1.26 million. The third alternate is the basic facility
count that would tell us if the garage is open or if it's full or would give us a
total count of vehicles roughly in the garage. That's just under $350,000.
Bringing us back to the Staff recommendation. First of the parking
wayfinding portion, to direct Staff to solicit bids for the construction of the
Downtown parking wayfinding design in the blue color scheme. Second, to
direct Staff to prepare plans and estimates for construction and installation
of an automated parking guidance system with a preference for the single-
space monitoring in the Downtown parking garages and solicit bids when the
funding becomes available. With that, we conclude our presentation.
Mayor Burt: Mr. Keene.
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James Keene, City Manager: Thank you. Thank you, Mayor and Council
Members. Thank you, guys, for this great work. It's exciting to be moving
into the parking solution phase of things. Would you guys put Slide 3 back
up again? That's the big parking picture, not to be confused with the
barking pig picture. The big parking picture. I think it would be fair to say
to the Council that—I mean, there's a lot here. In a lot of ways this is a
preview particularly as it relates to Recommendation Number 2 on the Automated Parking Guidance System. While we talk about with a preference
for single space and to solicit bids when funding becomes available, there
are a lot of moving parts to all of this. What we're after is getting your
support for this direction, but we're going to have to do a lot more deeper
dives on both the technology, the timing and in the funding and how to
identify those things. The reason I asked to have this is that, you see the
circled part, the parking technology and the parking wayfinding are up for
tonight, and then we go down to the paid parking study. The Staff thinking
on the Automated Parking Guidance System is really connected to
recommendations that would ultimately come out of the paid parking study,
to then start to identify a future cash flow from parking revenues that could
be allocated to fund the installation of this program. I think when I was talking with Staff a little bit earlier this evening, sometime in the fall towards
the end of this year we would be back before Council with that. I think
we're not going to be able to proceed without having a financing strategy, a
cash flow, a sense of how to pay for these items. We're going to have a lot
more work, but we're trying to come to you earlier on some of these
projects as they're unfolding and get your direction. Secondly, as we look at
this, I've been ruminating on our recommendation about the blue color
scheme; I'm backsliding myself. Let me just make a couple of points here in
that regard. First of all, when you look at just these pieces of our big
parking picture, these aren't just about getting people to park in garages.
They are part of our whole integrated system about how we're going to
move people around our City. It's embedded in our Sustainability Plan. To
me, everything we're doing has a green foundation and a green objective.
The symbol of what we're doing, whether it's hitting people over the head
with it or it's more subtle, is much more the color green and not as much of
an institutional—sorry, I'm using my words obviously as I see them—
component, so the meaning of that. Second, practically we already went
through—not a criticism of the ARB—the signage program for the garages
and right here around City Hall all used a green component on these signs.
Already a little bit of a concern that we would be shifting in another
direction. If you guys could go to the field mockups for a second. If you go
back to the green one. In actuality, this isn't an even comparison. If you
look at this, the very top of the green one is a green "P" on a dark
background. If you go to the blue one, you see this white background with
the "P." If you start to toggle back and forth between them and if you saw
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them being done in the same way, personally, I don't see that it gets lost in
the trees as much. Secondly, I don't necessarily see all of our garages
surrounded by trees a lot. I personally would be an advocate for rethinking
the green signs. Again, partly because they do connect to the intention we
have around so many of our different programs. Lastly, I still want to come
back to the fact that we're previewing this. We're seeking direction to start
to take the deeper dive on the automated parking guidance system. We would see ourselves coming back to Council as the results of our outreach
and developing the specs and potentially having the funding solution—we'd
be back before the Council. With that, I'll turn it back over to you all.
Mayor Burt: Thank you. We don't yet have any speaker cards. I don't
know if we will have any. Why don't we start with questions, and then we
can loop back for comments and Motion. Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: Thank you. I appreciate your comments, City
Manager. I do have a number of questions. They're, I think, mostly
clarifying questions having to do with the wayfinding. If we're looking for
the locations, is that Attachment—what is this? Attachment ...
Mayor Burt: You've lost your place?
Council Member Holman: Yes. Attachment A, sheet 3.0. Is that what that is? I was looking at this over the weekend and having a bit of a hard time
understanding—it's just a very complicated map. What it looks like is there
are like a lot of different signages in the same place. It's very complicated
to try to understand this, if that's where you were trying to direct us to.
Ms. Atkinson: Is your question the recommendation for locations for
installation of new signage?
Council Member Holman: Yes.
Ms. Atkinson: In the Staff Report, the draft recommendations are in
Attachments D and E. It's a sign menu ...
Council Member Holman: Attachment which?
Ms. Atkinson: "D" and "E." It's a sign menu and a quite large file, I think,
with each of the different sign types and the proposed locations. There are
different ...
Council Member Holman: I have an Attachment F. I don't know that I have
an Attachment D. The two big attachments we have are these two. This
one's Attachment A, and this one's Attachment F. "F" is about ahead of the
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curve and the parking guidance system. Attachment A is blue concept
number one, and it's got the different designs in it. Maybe we do need some
wayfinding guidance, Mayor Burt. That's what I think we're looking at, but
I'm not sure. Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: It's the last (inaudible).
Ms. Atkinson: We think that Attachment D may be attached to your
Attachment A perhaps.
Council Member Kniss: It's on the back of (inaudible). It's big on one and
little on the other.
Council Member Holman: Attachment D is part of—I didn't differentiate.
Here's "C."
Ms. Atkinson: On that map, it has small elevations along the bottom of each
type of sign and then proposed locations.
Council Member Holman: You said "D" was a part of Attachment A or F?
Ms. Atkinson: It looks like it might be attached to Attachment A on yours.
Council Member Kniss: It's also on "F."
Ms. Atkinson: And perhaps on Attachment F.
Council Member Holman: Let me come back to that one. City Clerk's
pointing me to this. Is it Sheet 1.0, Attachment D? There it is. How in the world can we interpret? I'll just put out there. One of the concerns I have
and a question I have about this is—one of the things I really struggled with
over the weekend especially and completely—wayfinding is really important.
If we put up too much signage, it actually can be eye litter, and it can be
confusing. I was having a very hard time discerning from the information
that we had where signage was going and where it was not going. I'll give
you an example, and you can tell me what this means please. I think it was
in your presentation this evening, I think. It talked about there would be
both monument and pylon signage at the garages. I'm sure that was in
your presentation this evening. What I'm trying to understand is—I think
I've stated it. Can you help me understand what signage is going to be
where? In some kind of simplistic manner so that we can feel somewhat
confident that we're not going to be littering our Downtown with too much of
a proliferation of signage.
Ms. Sullivan: Thank you for your comments, Council Member Holman. On
the first point about signage litter, that was one of the main things that our
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consultant focused on from the get go. Whenever you implement a signage
program like this, one of the things we do is look for places where we can
actually take signage away. While I think that this plan, this map does look
pretty sort of complicated and messy, I think what you're not seeing is that
part of this analysis is actually—there is a reduction in signage that goes
with this. The five or six different types of signage that are proposed as part
of the wayfinding project have specific, unique function. Directional signage such as the—which basically is an arrow typically pointing right. Right now
we have directional signage that points right, straight, left, all different
places. Signage pointing right would replace the existing signage that we
currently have. We call them the "P"arking signs with the big "P" and the
"arking" and the arrows. Those signs would be going away. The pylon signs
are typically reserved for surface lots. They're sort of easily identifiable
when you're walking by or in a car driving by. The monument signs are
typically reserved for the garages. We also have marker signs within the
lots that explain the regulations around the parking, like it costs X dollars to
park here or this is a permit lot or whatever that is. I'm sort of speaking at
a high level, but each of the signs has a specific function, and I know that
we can certainly provide, I think, maybe a clearer map or a larger, easier to read map than what we have here. Ultimately, there is a huge amount of
work that goes into identifying where all these signs need to go and where
they don't need to go as well.
Council Member Holman: I'm sure that's true, and yet the result we're going
to have to live with for a while, and we're paying for it. We want it to be
functional and functional in that it's not overkill too. If you look at again this
drawing, this Attachment D, we've got the lots numbered. How do I know
from this what signage is going in those locations? I guess what I'm asking
for is can we get something that's more legible than this. You can't even tell
from this what signage is going where.
Ms. Atkinson: Sure. This file actually plots out at a pretty large size, but
that's wasn't feasible to include in the Staff Report. We'd be happy to
provide that if you'd like.
Council Member Holman: I think that would be helpful. One of the
questions I have along these lines is—some of the designs I would have less
concern about them being disassociated, if you will, from the location of a
parking garage since those are the ones where we're going to be counting
spaces. Some of the designs are not intrusive if they were on University
Avenue, for instance, or on Hamilton Avenue. Others I really am not in
favor of. Again, I guess it has to do with the location of where signage is
going. It would be important for me to understand what kind of signage is
going where. I mean, we don't allow signage at businesses, for instance,
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that is neon and LED and blah, blah, blah. I don't want us to be bad
members of the public. Could that be included as part of this map that we
would get, that would show what kind of signage is going where? And which
designs too, because the designs make a difference.
Ms. Sullivan: Sure. I think we can provide that. I want to make sure we
understand exactly, though, what you want to see. The signage that's
specifically for lots and garages only is going to occur at lots and garages. The directional signage will occur along Lytton, along University and, I think,
along Hamilton we have a couple of locations. Basically, the directional
signage, the intention of it is to direct people to the public lots. The main
arteries that go Downtown from all directions will have directional signage.
Council Member Holman: For instance, if you look at your Slide Number 16
in the presentation, if you look at Slide 16, the upper left, those two images,
are those intended to be at the garages or on one of the streets? That's
what I'm ...
Ms. Sullivan: Those signs are identifications for lots and garages. If it has
a—the ones that have the numbers on them are going to be at the garages,
because we're not going to use the variable message signage at lots.
Council Member Holman: I understand that. I know they refer to garages. My question is where are these signs going to be located? Are they going to
be at the garages or are they going to be on University, Hamilton, Alma,
Ramona, Bryant? That's my question.
Ms. Sullivan: The signs up here will be at the garages.
Council Member Holman: Each one of those?
Ms. Sullivan: Yes.
Council Member Holman: Jim.
Mr. Keene: Since Jessica was busy talking, I just asked Sue whether or not
following, not tonight—one thing we could do is print out a much bigger map
here, put it on the wall literally. We could even have the mockups of the
things and we could have pins that would show you exactly what kind of sign
was in what location where. You could really literally walk around the
Downtown, if you were interested in something like that, having the picture
to be able to see it. If you're not, you'll save us the work.
Council Member Holman: This Council Member would be very interested in
that. We'll see if others are too. I did read, of course, that we're going to
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remove signage having to do with the parking that's out there now, so we're
removing that. Another question I have is if some of the parking signage,
the shallower, the less tall banners—there's a different purpose for them—
can those actually be combined with some other signage that we have
Downtown without it being confusing? I mean, they're kind of short. We
have some signage, for instance, that—I think maybe just one location
Downtown—directs people to side streets and business on the side streets. It's not even at a corner; it's really kind of silly where it is. Can we combine
some other signage with this, again to kind of eliminate all of the
unnecessary eye litter that we've got? Is the anticipation that these will be
on existing standards or there will be new standards put in place that would
carry the signs? On the streets, I guess. In the parking lots, I'm sure
they'd have to be new standards, or supposing.
Ms. Sullivan: One of the kind of lines that we walked during this project was
making sure that we really were focusing on parking wayfinding. We were
not trying to redesign wayfinding for the entire Downtown. You're right
there is a lot of signage. We wanted to make sure we were honoring the
scope of this effort. That said, the purpose of this work is to develop some
standard signage so that moving forward we'll have specifications and design standards. If we do wish to replace some other signage sort of in
this similar look and aesthetic, we can do that. These are not meant to be
static designs. We will own the files; we'll be able to fabricate signs if we
want to change them. That was not the focus of this study. We didn't look
at maybe we should change this existing signage to something different.
Council Member Holman: Fair enough. I think maybe just two more
questions. I didn't see in the Staff Report—perhaps I overlooked it—but did
see in your presentation about the coordination of the digital systems, the
APGS, with applications. I didn't see that in the Staff Report. It is intended
that this would coordinate with apps?
Ms. Sullivan: The intent of the single space parking guidance systems would
give us the ability to have a mobile interface with apps that could be
developed. When you come to Palo Alto, you could have an app that says,
"Welcome to Palo Alto. Come here to park. Look, there's 32 spots at Civic
Center right now."
Council Member Holman: With the recommended APGS, how would that
affect our ability to function accurately with valet parking?
Ms. Sullivan: The great thing about the single space system is that it can be
modified by the user. We can sort of turn off parts of it or turn on parts of it
or change the color at will. We could literally—if we wanted to expand or
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contract the valet service, we could change the color of the lights above the
valet service to a specific color, for instance. That system is inherently
flexible. The other systems, the level-by-level system and the facility count
system are less flexible.
Council Member Holman: I think my last question is—two questions. One is
if we build the fifth garage Downtown, this cost is $2 million for four
garages. If we build a fifth garage, is it exponentially more or is it—what does the cost go to if there's a fifth garage?
Ms. Sullivan: I think we would need to kind of look further to include that in
the construction of a new garage. Retrofitting tends to be more expensive
because you do have to—if you do the single space option, you do have to
route conduit to get power and communications to all the sensors. Installing
loops, which would probably be used for a facility level system, is much less
expensive. Loops typically cost about $500 a piece. To retrofit with single
space is more expensive. I think we could probably get you some better
numbers at a new build.
Council Member Holman: At what point will Staff be coming with some more
recommendations that clarify what the potential funding sources are? That's
a lot of money. We have the Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority (VTA), potentially use some of that. We have some polling we're going to be
doing for an employee tax measure potentially. The Staff Report mentions
another funding source but questionably.
Ms. Sullivan: Initially our recommendation right now is that we look at the
wayfinding systems or the wayfinding signage. We could look at using
University Avenue Parking Permit funds for that signage. For the parking
guidance systems, we do think the costs are obviously potentially extensive,
and we would need to kind of complete our Downtown Parking Management
Study, which would do a sort of parking revenue study that would help us
figure out how much money could we generate doing that sort of thing and
then how long would it take to fund something like this. Right now, we don't
have CIP money for either of these projects.
Council Member Holman: Thank you. That's enough questions for now.
Mayor Burt: Yes. Council Member Kniss.
Council Member Kniss: Luckily, Karen, you've covered a lot. Let me start
where Karen left off, which is at the money. I can hardly think of anything
that's going to actually pull us into the 20th century, 20th, anymore than
this will do. We've talked about it now 3-4 years. Marc and I both think we
made a Motion two years ago.
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Council Member Berman: (inaudible)
Council Member Kniss: Yeah, Marc is determined. At that time, we were
told no, this needs to come to us as a combined answer to the whole parking
system. We have some answers now. We have the Residential Preferential
Parking (RPP) in place and so forth. Because you are saying the money isn't
there and you're saying—what I'm hearing, Jessica, I think is this could be a
long time coming. Is that what I'm hearing?
Mr. Keene: I think we can't have a long time coming. I think what we need
to be able to do is establish the revenue stream, and then we can find a way
to capitalize that by borrowing against it. Even if we had to loan it some
money in the short term to get it going, once we had the guaranteed
revenue stream we could come out—we can't do this as a "pay as you go"
thing and get it done in time.
Council Member Kniss: I think, not speaking for all nine of us, certainly one
or two of us would very strongly support getting it underway. It's the kind
of thing that, I think, really will make the public feel so much more
comfortable about driving Downtown. As you said, Jessica, there are many
ways to alter. Just say a little more about the—I've got to learn—APGS,
about that system and about its cost. It is expensive, and it does go through—it also gives you two options for the single—what's the last one
called? Single space parking?
Ms. Sullivan: The single space parking guidance system.
Council Member Kniss: You've got about four options for single space
parking as far as the monitor goes as well. Say some more about that and
what you think of sensors on the floor or cameras in the ceiling or drones.
Yes, drones would be terrific.
Ms. Sullivan: I don't know if drones would be the recommended option from
the consultant. Are you asking about the different colors and the space
occupancy?
Council Member Kniss: No. You've got, I think, four options in here for
single space monitoring. I want to know which one—have you thought
about which one would be the most desirable for us?
Ms. Sullivan: In terms of the detection systems?
Council Member Kniss: Yes, exactly.
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Ms. Sullivan: Basically there's two sensor options that are potentially a good
fit for us. One is the ultrasonic sensor that Sue-Ellen mentioned, and the
other is a camera-type sensor. They work differently; they both work well.
The ultrasonic one basically bounces a sound wave off an object and is able
to sort of triangulate an image of the object, so it knows that it's a car and
not a person on a skateboard. The camera works similarly. Of course, we
know camera is a difficult word here. It can create essentially a binary image, so it knows a car is either there or not there. It doesn't have to track
any information about that car; although, it could if we wanted to. Either of
those sensor options works well. Paired with a sensor is this LED light,
which we can program to be red, green, blue for ADA, pink, whatever.
Ultimately, that's the technology that's out there. The good news is that this
technology has been on the market now for several years and that the
vendors are getting better and better. The products are more reliable; the
costs are going down. We think that it's the right time to kind of pursue this
sort of system.
Council Member Kniss: I think it's more than the right time. It looks like it
will run in that about $2 million range. I'd be very surprised if our citizens
weren't supportive of that. Jim, what you're saying is we'll be not penny wise and pound foolish, but you really will go toward finding that amount of
money that we could use. Do you want to give any deadline? Would you be
willing to call out a date by which we might drive into a garage and get
something that was actually indicative of what was available?
Mr. Keene: Not in 2016.
Council Member Kniss: In our lifetime?
Mr. Keene: I think clearly this fall we should have the results of the Parking
Management Study. It'll be up to you all to be willing to set the rates. Of
course, we have some capital costs for that, I mean, depending what kind of
parking control system, whether it's meters or what types and those sorts of
things we are going to have to install. We'll have to work through that. I
think we'll be able to model what the revenue stream should be able to be
like. We could have some ranges. If you guys can do your part about
making the decisions to start really charging for parking and we price it
right, then I do think sometime in 2017 we could have a plan to know how
to finance this investment.
Ms. Sullivan: Can I just add one more thing to Jim's comment? As part of
the Downtown Parking Management Study, we can also look at sort of
alternative funding schemes. Some cities actually outsource sort of
management of paid parking in that they have a vendor that basically does
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the entire thing, installs all the systems, runs the whole thing, and then gets
a cut of the revenue. There are other ways to do this, but we will look at the
options.
Council Member Kniss: Thank you for adding that.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Berman.
Council Member Berman: Thank you, guys, very much. The consultant
recommended the per parking—I'm not getting the terminology right—the parking spot technology, which I agree with. When would the consultant
possibly not recommend that? Isn't that kind of ...
Ms. Sullivan: I think that's a fair question. In fact, we challenged—clearly
it's the most expensive option. The consultant doesn't make more money
one way or the other. They're a design consultant, so they're not benefitting
one way or the other. One of the questions we did ask was most of our
garages are one directional, meaning that you don't drive in and make a
decision. You're driving essentially around in a circle, with the exception of
Lot S which you actually have these sort of pods that go off to the left and
you can park over there. We did sort of challenge them and say does it
really make a difference, does the green and red really help you find
parking. They said yes, it does. I can vouch for that. I park in Lot S, and every day it's like people creeping along looking for a spot and then
someone trying to turn around and someone honking.
Council Member Berman: You're absolutely right. That's the experience
that I've had. I thought it was at Santana Row in San Jose, but maybe it
was a different mall. When I used to work down there, we went somewhere
for lunch, and they had these. I remember thinking this is so much easier.
Ms. Sullivan: The Winchester garage has the green and red.
Council Member Berman: This was a couple of years ago, and the
technology wasn't super. Some spots were green that should have been
red, and some were red that should have been green, but that'll happen. It
really does—I think one of the slides said it makes it more welcoming, and it
really does make it a lot more welcoming. As you use the wayfinding on the
street to funnel people and then you've got the signs out in front of the
garage that say—I'm a proponent of the per floor. If I know there's three
spots on one and eight spots on two and 38 spots on three, I'm just going
up to three; I'm not bothering with it. That does make it faster, and that's
better for the business community. That's better for residents; that's better
for the environment. I'd be curious what the actual greenhouse gas
emission reductions are in terms of scope of magnitude and just whether or
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not they're really significant. I could see that being significant on the street,
driving around town. It reduces congestion, which is obviously a huge
concern in Palo Alto and something we really want to address. I mean, from
soup to nuts, I'm a big fan of the plan and of doing that, the most
comprehensive scheme. I'm happy to hear Jim say that no, we don't have
the funding identified right now, but we can get creative so that the funding
won't stop the progress of implementing it, assuming that my colleagues feel the way I do. Annual maintenance cost, forgive me if that was mentioned
somewhere in here. Are those major or is it pretty minimal?
Ms. Sullivan: Typically what happens is the vendor who ultimately installs
and commissions all the equipment has a warranty on it.
Council Member Berman: That's right; I saw that.
Ms. Sullivan: The costs are typically pretty minimal. There is a hosting fee,
because ultimately this is their software that's going to give us the interface
where we would actually have "look, that light's broken" or whatever. Those
are things, I think, we need to flesh out a little bit more as we move into the
real sort of specification and design. Typically the equipment is covered by a
warranty.
Council Member Berman: A couple of questions just on the signage. Color scheme, you guys don't want an answer from us on that tonight, do you?
You do. I'm going to let one of my colleagues take that. Questions that I
had were—one was—a resident had kind of written in about this. He took it
maybe a little further than I would have. In terms of the signs on the
street—I didn't drive around and look at what our current signs really look
like. They seem like the "P" is pretty high. Is that normal in terms of line of
vision for a driver or is that a little higher than other folks have their
signage? Like the ones outside the surface lots, it seems like the "P" is
super high up there.
Ms. Atkinson: That's something that our consultant will evaluate, and they'll
also recommend as part of the construction package how high to mount
them. I agree they are—for line of sight, they are kind of high.
Ms. Sullivan: They're actually not typically mounted on traffic arms the way
we have them mounted. We have some sort of unconventional things going
on.
Council Member Berman: In terms of just the—but that will be fleshed out
in the implementation?
Ms. Sullivan: Yes.
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Council Member Berman: For what it's worth, I really don't want to dive into
the weeds on each sign. To me, it didn't make sense—this is kind of part of
the last point. It didn't make sense to have a "P" and then a ton of space
and then the lot letter. To me, it seemed to make sense to have that closer
together. That's as far as I'm going to go in commenting aesthetically on
these signs. I think those were my main questions. Thanks.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: We're still on questions, right?
Mayor Burt: We've had questions and comments, so go ahead and feel free
to...
Council Member Wolbach: There are just a couple of areas that I'd like to
touch that I don't think have been touched on as much. First, actually on
the color scheme, one possibility I was thinking about was thinking about
the color scheme for our parking wayfinding in the context of signage for
wayfinding throughout the Downtown area, whether it is superior to have
everything, even all of our City facility wayfinding, be the same color or to
designate parking differently, to have the parking be blue while other City
facilities such as City Hall, library, parks, historic resources, future history
museum, etc., and wayfinding to those would be marked in green. That's why I've actually come around and I'm leaning towards supporting the blue
over the green. As much as I was initially also in favor of the green, I think
that this kind of subdued, subtle blue is a good shade; it's aesthetically
pleasing. That's obviously very subjective, but I like the shade. It might
help people identify the parking, have that stand out which aids in the
primary goal which is helping people get where they need to go with their
parking as quickly as possible to reduce frustration, circling, congestion, etc.
That's why I'm leaning towards supporting the blue. Obviously, I've heard
the arguments on both sides and appreciate those. Actually there's one
detail I noticed on the—I can't remember what you call these. The pedestal
signs, that have a lot of text on them including detailed directions. I noticed
a couple of things that I wanted to ask about. I don't know how set we are
on this. It says no overnight parking, and it also says no trespassing 11:00
P.M. to 7:00 A.M. I wanted to ask why those are stipulated. A number of
our businesses are in operation past 11:00 P.M., and City Hall and City
Council are as often in operation past 11:00 P.M. To tell people they can't
go into a parking lot at the close of business of City Council or a restaurant
or a bar in Downtown seems it like it might not make sense. Also as far as
no overnight parking, I think we want to encourage people to frequent
businesses in Downtown, a number of which have liquor licenses. If
somebody does drive Downtown, has a couple of drinks, and then decides
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they don't want to drive home, we want to make that—we want to
encourage that. We want to encourage them to leave their car and call an
Uber or a Lyft or walk or to find some other way home rather than driving
intoxicated. Just speaking for myself, I don't have a problem with overnight
parking. I think we should, in fact, encourage that rather than encouraging
unsafe behavior.
Ms. Atkinson: If I could comment on that really quickly.
Council Member Wolbach: Sure, please.
Ms. Atkinson: That was just placeholder text that our consultant put in
there. Very open to changing it. We can discuss a little beyond there at a
later time. That was just to show what text on that sign type would look
like.
Mr. Keene: We had campaign language, but I told them to take that off.
Council Member Wolbach: I appreciate that. As far as the—that's it for my
questions.
Mayor Burt: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: I have a burning question which is who are the
stakeholders who liked the most expensive solution and didn't like the
revenue controls. Seriously, I'd like specifically to know.
Ms. Sullivan: Would you like names?
Council Member DuBois: Yeah, they weren't in the report. Specifically, who
were these stakeholders?
Ms. Sullivan: We had a—let's see. We had several members of the parking
committee, some residents, some Downtown business folks. I mean, I can
give you their names if you want.
Council Member DuBois: Yeah, I'd like to know.
Ms. Sullivan: Dena Mossar, Chop Keenan, Judy Kleinberg, Russ Cohen, Bob
McGrew, Bern Beecham and Terry McCarthy.
Council Member DuBois: Thank you. There was a letter from the public that
made a point about using kind of national standard parking direction signs
versus custom signs. Does this estimate include a cost for custom signs
that's higher than standard signs?
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Ms. Sullivan: The thing that costs in the sign fabrication is the detailing of
the sign and what it's made of. The Manual on Uniform Traffic Control
Devices (MUTCD) standard signs could also be—I think we would be fine
with using MUTCD standard signage, but right now all the signage is
inconsistent. It doesn't cost us any more to have a specific parking brand
versus the MUTCD signage. What will cost us is to fabricate these signs,
depending on how they're detailed.
Council Member DuBois: You're saying custom signs don't cost any more
than standard signs?
Ms. Sullivan: Based on what's on the sign, no. Where we are proposing
these pylons, which have this sort of stainless steel kind of detail on them,
which is nice. It's got this sort of etched finish. Clearly we could look at the
construction costs and value engineer some of that if we wanted to.
Council Member DuBois: I just thought it was an interesting comment from
the public. I guess what I'm hearing is that when the parking access
revenue controls go in, we're thinking that that may fund the guidance
system?
Ms. Sullivan: That's correct.
Council Member DuBois: Is there any limit on revenue generation from parking in the way that there is with utilities? Does that money just go into
the General Fund? That's maybe something the City Attorney knows. Is
there a limit on parking revenue? It just goes in the General Fund, right?
Mr. Keene: It can be used for anything, yes. I'm sorry.
Council Member DuBois: We don't need to spend this money just on a
guidance system if we were to raise that kind of money?
Mr. Keene: No. When I was in Berkeley, it was a profit center for the city,
big time.
Council Member DuBois: Can the Downtown Parking Assessment District
fund some of this?
Ms. Sullivan: We were proposing that the Parking Permit Fund be used for
the wayfinding signage. Yes, it could be.
Council Member DuBois: Was that in the proposal here?
Ms. Sullivan: Yes.
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Council Member DuBois: The $2 million number is just a guidance system?
Ms. Sullivan: Correct.
Ed Shikada, Assistant City Manager: If I might, Council Member. Ed
Shikada, Assistant City Manager. It might be worth drawing a distinction
between the Assessment District and the Permit Fund, to the extent that the
Assessment District is used to generate parking supply with specific rates
associated with development and assessments on properties. The Parking Permit Fund, the revenue that's used for the issuance of the permits, is more
flexible.
Council Member DuBois: The Assessment District cannot be used for these
improvements to garages?
Mr. Shikada: It's not anticipated for that purpose.
Molly Stump, City Attorney: The assessments that are made are for debt
service on the capital costs of constructing the garages that are already
constructed. Separate from that, the garages generate permit fees. The
City's traditional practice has been to consult with a committee of business
leaders who were associated with the formation of the Assessment District
and the financing of the capital. That committee has taken somewhat of an
ownership-like interest in the collection of those funds and the use of those funds. Technically, legally what the Staff has said—Assistant City Manager
Shikada is correct—those are general funds, and the City has generally
allocated them back to the operation and maintenance of the garages.
That's what's intended here. It's completely appropriate.
Mr. Keene: I just might add the establishment of the rate for those permits
is within the City's discretion also. Again, as parking demand and supply
becomes more valuable with the web of different changes that we make,
then there will be pricing opportunities to look at as it relates to the parking.
Council Member DuBois: I'm a little concerned with Molly's answer in that in
a way some of these are capital improvements to the garage. Could not the
Assessment District be used to, say, install sensors and those kinds of
improvements?
Ms. Stump: The current assessments are for the capital costs of
constructing the facilities that have already been constructed. We don't
have an ability to continue to add onto that in that sense. That would be a
new assessment in a sense, and that's not a current vehicle that the City's
looking seriously at for funding.
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Council Member DuBois: Thank you for clarifying that. Just a different,
entire subject. Are we considering getting rid of the color zones? Is that
part of this project?
Ms. Sullivan: That will be part of the Downtown Parking Management Study.
Council Member DuBois: Today, how do people get a pass for a garage?
Ms. Atkinson: For the garages, there are daily and there are annual permits,
and quarterly permits at some garages. Primarily people go to Revenue Collections...
Council Member DuBois: For even the daily pass.
Ms. Atkinson: ...in the lobby. For the daily pass, there are also permit
machines that are in the Cowper/Webster garage and in the Bryant/Lytton
garage. It's $17.50 for a daily permit, both in person here at the counter
and at the permit machines.
Council Member DuBois: Just on the fiber discussion. Is that a one-time fee
or was that an ongoing service charge?
Mr. Keene: Is that a one-time fee or is that an ongoing?
Mr. Shikada: It's ongoing (inaudible).
Council Member DuBois: It was a third party, so I'd rather have it ongoing
to us.
Mr. Keene: How quickly they sell out.
Council Member DuBois: Is it seriously ongoing to a third party?
Mr. Shikada: I think we're talking (inaudible). All kidding aside, I think we
are talking about use of the dark fiber system Downtown, in which case it
would be leased as it would to any private entity. Again, it depends on the
design of the system, whether it be each individual parking structure is its
own basically computer and it's a network among the computers or if the
fiber is used to bring all back to a central system.
Council Member DuBois: In the report, it said we needed to use a third-
party company. I didn't know if that was just construction. Sounds like it
might be.
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Mr. Shikada: I think the concept there was to develop the network, let's
say, within each parking structure, and to tie those then together. Again,
with the design of that yet to be determined.
Council Member DuBois: If we did the LEDs in the garages, would those be
visible, say, on the upper floors, outside the garage? The location LEDs, if
there's a row of those lit up at night ...
Ms. Sullivan: They shouldn't be, but we can certainly look at light pollution standards and make sure that they're meeting them.
Council Member DuBois: A comment I made—I don't know if you were here
for the earlier session. I saw this went to the ARB, but I didn't really see
any of their discussion or comments. Again, I think that's useful from our
Boards, to kind of know what they have talked about. Those are my
questions. I'll go through some comments real quick. I'd like to know that
we're really doing some value engineering and trying to save some money.
I support the reasons for the project. I think we need the project. I'd love
to see it sooner rather than later. Karen mentioned and I am starting to
hear complaints about the sign blight. I'm glad to hear that you guys are
sensitive to that. We've got a pretty wide range of options here, $331,000
up to $2 million in today's dollars. It seems like we could likely build the cheaper end sooner. I expect the higher end to be more expensive by the
time we get around to building it. We got a list of benefits, kind of pros and
cons, but they weren't really quantified. It makes it very hard to tell if
saving $1.7 million is worth it. Things like manually updating the count, is
that something an enforcement person can do when they're going through
the garage anyways? Greenhouse gas, how much? How much do the
different floor sensors save? We use a magnetic or in-ground...
Ms. Sullivan: The number we have for the single space counts is that they
can save during peak hours up to 25-40 percent on carbon emissions for
circling. It's less in the non-peak hour because you're just going to drive
and find a spot easier then.
Council Member DuBois: It depends on how full the garage is. I was having
trouble with that, because it's quite a big difference in price. Our garages
aren't that massive, so for me the facility count made sense. If I know
there's ten spots and it's a three-story garage, it's not that hard to find the
spots. If we save that money, we could use it to buy the Post Office or do
lots of other things. My preference is definitely kind of at the lower end. I'd
rather get it done sooner. I think we could find $300,000 and start. I'd
really like to see us move to the revenue controls. Being able to see that
there's ten spots, buy the permit at the garage and not have to go to City
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Hall or some other garage, I think that will be a huge benefit in itself. I just
want to make one last comment about the parking study. I am concerned
about increasing parking costs, and I'm kind of getting the impression that's
the direction we're going, particularly if Town and Country and Stanford Mall
still have free parking. I think we originally had more paid parking. A lot of
the retailers Downtown felt like they were at a disadvantage. I want to keep
them in mind as we think about changing parking Downtown. Thanks.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Schmid.
Council Member Schmid: Just a couple of quick comments. First, thanks for
all the work you've been doing, for the presentation, for the ideas that
you've brought to us. I would be a big fan of the APGS. It's an investment,
but I think it's really worthwhile in getting people to use the garage spaces,
which they're not doing now. A key question might be who pays and why. I
think clearly the Downtown Parking Assessment District is responsible. The
critical starting report for the Downtown parking was a 1986 Downtown
study. It started out with the words that between 1957 and 1984, the City
relied upon the Downtown Parking Assessment District to supply parking in
support of Downtown development. They did not—the Assessment District
parking spaces did not keep up with growth. From that time, they got 9,146 parking exemptions, which they're still using. They didn't fulfill their original
needs. The Downtown monitoring reports, which come out each year and
are supposed to monitor the overflow, clearly now have understated by a
factor of 2-3 the parking deficit. I think it's time clearly to say to the
Parking Assessment District no new dollars, no continuing exemptions.
Mayor Burt: A couple of my questions have to do with the returns we'll get
on this investment. Do we have any rough estimates either from our own
calculations or what other cities have found as the greater rate of utilization
of parking spaces as a result of these different measures?
Ms. Sullivan: Regarding greater utilization, we do know that the single
space option is superior to other options as far as utilization. The facility
level or the floor-by-floor level options sometimes do not fill up spaces as
efficiently during the peak hour. We can get you some specific statistics, if
you're interested. I don't have any sort of...
Mayor Burt: I'm very interested, and I actually think that that should be
pretty fundamental to our decision-making. I don't know what the current
figure is of 60,000—did you have something?
Ms. Atkinson: In terms of the level count, the one that just tells you there
are X spaces on Level 2, that gets the garage to about 90-95 percent
occupied, so there are still spaces that are available. Whereas, the single
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space system can guide people directly to the open spaces, so you can get
to 100 percent utilization. Downtown we need to be making the most of all
of our available spaces.
Mayor Burt: The level count, is that alternative to the facility count?
Ms. Atkinson: The facility count just tells you a total number for the whole
building. The level count is the floor count basically; it tells you by floor.
The facility count, we don't have an estimate on utilization.
Mayor Burt: We have three alternatives. I'm trying to correlate the level
count to the alternatives. We have three alternatives listed. When you refer
to the level count getting us 90-95 percent, I'm trying to correlate that to
any of the three.
Ms. Atkinson: Level count was not one of the alternates that was
recommended by the consultant. It wasn't included in that package. It's a
type of system. The closest alternate to level count is Alternate 1; that's the
single space with no LED lights. It'd have single space sensors, but it would
not guide people to certain spaces. That would be the closest estimate to
level count.
Mayor Burt: What is our current utilization?
Ms. Sullivan: That varies by garage and certainly by time of day. Certainly the garages that have the valet programs are ...
Mayor Burt: We're talking about doing this across all the garages, right?
Ms. Sullivan: Across four, yes.
Mayor Burt: What's the average utilization across those four? That's all
we'd really care about if we're—most of what we'd care about, unless we're
talking about doing this selectively in certain garages. We've got a certain
baseline of a utilization rate now. Then we'd have an anticipated utilization
rate after we invested this much. Those four garages have how many
spaces combined in them?
Ms. Sullivan: We have about 3,000 for all the lots and garages. The four
garages, I believe it's about 1,200 between the four.
Mayor Burt: About 1,200. Do you have a ballpark even of the current
utilization rate for those four on average?
Ms. Sullivan: It does definitely vary by time of day. If we're looking at the
peak hour, Lot R is probably 90-100 percent utilized or over 100 percent.
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Cowper/Webster is probably 70-80ish. Civic Center is probably 70-80ish,
and then Lot S is probably—Lot S has been definitely going up. It's probably
90.
Mayor Burt: Say we average 85 percent; 85 percent utilization of 1,200
leaves—what's that math? I think this actually ...
Council Member Berman: 180.
Mayor Burt: 180 spots. If we increase that utilization to say 90-95 percent, then we're looking at picking up—say it was 90 spots or something like that.
If we went to this 100 percent or near 100 percent utilization with the $2
million system, then that's close to 180 spots, call it 150. 150 times—are
we using 60,000 per spot as our rough number? That's $9 million in parking
spot value that we create. That's why I say that's really critical. To me, if
we're looking at alternatives, if we spend $2 million to save $9 million,
because we're talking about building a garage Downtown. We either are
going to use that 150 spots that we've basically freed up or utilize better
toward solving our problem more rapidly or toward less investment in the
size of the new garage. That makes it, for me, a much easier decision first
on which alternative we ought to pursue. If we're looking at spending an
extra $750,000 and picking up 100 parking spaces worth $6 million, then $750,000 is money well spent. That's pretty important for purposes of our
conversation. Then we ask ourselves if that's the savings we can derive
from this investment, what's the best way to get those dollars? I think there
are several alternatives. When you were talking about the parking permit
funds, Jessica, were you talking about the annual permits sold in the
neighborhood?
Ms. Sullivan: No, it's just for garages. The money that's—for garage
permits, the money that's used—the money that we get from selling permits
goes to maintain and operate the garages basically.
Mayor Burt: How would we get dollars from that to be able to pay for this?
Are you talking about increasing the permit amounts? Unless we've got a
surplus right now from that, which I'm not aware of.
Mr. Keene: On the paid permit funds was towards the wayfinding program,
is that what you were thinking of? That was in the $600,000 range, first of
all. I don't know if we've run what the changes would be, both what the
existing balance could be.
Mayor Burt: There may be some balance that would pay for wayfinding.
Would we have the latitude to increase those permit amounts?
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Mr. Keene: Yes.
Mayor Burt: We could charge more on those permits to pay for this system.
That would be one way. We don't have hourly parking on the streets. Have
we done any estimate on revenue on the prime streets?
Ms. Sullivan: Not yet. That's going to be coming as part of this new study.
Mr. Keene: That Parking Management Study.
Mayor Burt: I did this on the back of a napkin a year ago. If we look at the prime spots on University, and then you look in the perpendicular streets
going out to Hamilton and Lytton, for instance, you can know how many on-
street spots there are in what we might call the real prime area, where
people would say, "If I could just park there any time, I'd pay a buck an
hour." That doesn't mean we have that decision. It just means that we real
easily—we don't have to go out to nine months to a consultant to get that
kind of framing. We may still want the consultant to really flesh this out, but
we can do a certain amount of framing of this really readily. Like I say, that
doesn't mean that that's the decision we'll make. We'll go, "Wait a minute."
Is this $1/2 million a year that we might get in revenue above expenses for
that? I don't know. It could help us say we have several options. We want
to go with the one that's going to free up the most parking spaces. Let's be clear on that. We haven't yet picked which option, but we know we have
several good ones.
Mr. Keene: Mr. Mayor, that goes back to my opening comments when I said
this really is a preview of our thinking on the timing and that these are
exactly—it's good to get some of the Council's thinking right now. I mean,
over the next month or two, we'll be able to structure the analysis more
fully.
Mayor Burt: As I said, the third one is—as we're looking at this
infrastructure, do we want to consider any of the infrastructure dollars to
spend $2 million to save $9 million from whatever parking garage we were
considering building? Any of those look like they're viable funds. The last
one is if we should go forward with a local transportation tax, would this
potentially be something that could be funded out of that? That's four
alternatives. All of them look like they would more than pay for the best of
these. On that note, I would say that based on the different utilization
between Alternative 1 and the primary, I guess I'll call it, if it's the difference
between nearly 100 percent and somewhere between 90 and 95 percent, it
looks like that's a good investment. Finally, on the color. I've always been
fond of Palo Alto's green, but you want people to distinguish the parking
signs from all the other green we have in our signs. Now, we do have—
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some of the new wayfinding signs are blue on the corner posts. Aren't those
blue? Have I got that wrong?
Ms. Sullivan: The ones around City Hall have a very similar look. They have
a gray pylon, and then there's actually a blue circle with a white "P."
Mayor Burt: I'm talking about corner posts, so directional.
Joshuah Mello, Chief Transportation Official: Josh Mello, Chief
Transportation Official. There are blue pedestrian wayfinding arrows. There's a set at the corner of the circle and University, the circle that comes
up from Alma.
Mayor Burt: We added a whole bunch about two years, a whole bunch of
wayfinding on corner posts just like street signs.
Mr. Keene: Those were street name signs that we put up as part of the
Senior Olympics. Those are blue.
Mayor Burt: They're not just street name signs; they direct people.
Mr. Keene: I mean, not street name signs. They direct people to things,
yeah.
Mayor Burt: And they're blue. I thought I was not going crazy on that. My
first inclination is stay with Palo Alto green, but I actually think that it's
pretty important that people know where the parking is, and that we intuitively—if we start associating a given color with a function, it helps. A
final question. Is the 800 High Street garage included in this?
Ms. Sullivan: It will be included. I apologize, it's not on the map and
neither is Lot X.
Mayor Burt: It does get lost in the shuffle often.
Ms. Sullivan: It's not forgotten.
Mayor Burt: Some people may have only had questions, but I would look
forward to getting a Motion on the table and then see if we can move
forward.
Mr. Keene: That would be great, Mayor. Again, I would just say other than
the color issue here—by the way, as Bob Dylan said, you don't need a
weatherman to know which way the wind blows. I'll just say, if you like
Kermit the Frog here, it's not easy being green. Other than that one, we
would be coming back in an intermediate way.
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Mayor Burt: All you're really asking us to do is pick a color?
Mr. Keene: We would like the direction on "2" also with this understanding
that we're not going to—I want to make it clear we would not be unilaterally
going out and soliciting bids without coming back to the Council with the
results of our analysis.
Mayor Burt: Recommendation Number 2 is to have us vote on guidance
basically.
Mr. Keene: We would be continuing to analyze them but, as I think it says,
with a preference for the single space monitoring in the Downtown and when
the funding becomes available, as part of that, some of the kind of analyses
that you are suggesting in cost comparisons and those things. We'd be
developing them, and then they'd be taken further by our consultant
working on the Parking Management Study.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Kniss.
Council Member Kniss: I'm ready to make a Motion. Let's begin with the
easy part of it which is to direct the Staff to solicit bids for construction for
the Downtown parking wayfinding design in the green color scheme. I'm
making the Motion; I'm calling the color. We can alter it if necessary.
Secondly, Jim, you're asking us to direct you to or not direct you?
Mr. Keene: (inaudible) Staff put it with the clarification we would come back
before we would be soliciting bids.
Mayor Burt: Why don't we break this up? Let's just see if—do we have a
second on the color?
Council Member Holman: Yes.
MOTION: Council Member Kniss moved, seconded by Council Member
Holman to direct Staff to solicit bids for construction for the Downtown
Parking Wayfinding design in the green color scheme.
Mayor Burt: Can we vote on color without a great deal of additional
discussion?
Council Member Kniss: Let's try it.
Mayor Burt: I've cleared the board. I see no lights. The Motion is ...
Council Member Kniss: Karen wants to speak to her second.
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Mayor Burt: You want to speak to the second. You don't have a light.
Council Member Holman: I do support the green color. My question for
Staff, though, is—I asked a number of questions. I didn't make comments.
I support the green color and primarily actually consistent with comments of
City Manager. I'm not crazy about either the look or the function of the
pylon signs. That could affect certainly the cost. I did go out and see one
that was a mockup in a parking lot, and I was not favorably impressed at all by its presence, its scale, its functioning. I don't know how you would
actually get a bid if we—I don't know if the Council Members want to
eliminate the pylon signs. If you could get a bid that included and didn't
include the pylon signs, my suggestion would be to use flags or banners
more at the front of a lot as opposed to using the pylons. I don't know how
you would proceed with this given that comment. If you could.
Ms. Sullivan: I think we could certainly respond and be flexible in the types
of signage. The pylon serves a function as sort of a pedestrian-scale marker
in the lots. It's something our consultants recommend. This is all they do
day in and day out, so that's sort of where it came from. If the Council
doesn't like it, we can certainly eliminate it.
Council Member Holman: I happened to bump into a member of the public at the same time looking at that, and they didn't like it either, just
anecdotally for whatever it's worth. Of course, how many we're doing, we
don't really know. At least from this Council Member's perspective the map
isn't a clear indication of how many we're doing, what, where, how many.
Ms. Sullivan: The pylons, there's one at each surface lot.
Council Member Holman: Not just pylons but ...
Ms. Sullivan: The whole totality.
Council Member Holman: The whole program, yeah. Again, that would
affect an estimate. I don't know how you proceed, unless you came back
with options or came back with some kind of clearer map in the meantime.
Ms. Sullivan: We could certainly come back with a sort of clearer inventory
or sort of menu of the options and where they would be. I think we do need
direction on the colors and if there are specific directions around signs that
you don't like or don't want to see. We certainly need that to move forward.
Council Member Holman: I'm in favor of the green. I support Council
Member Kniss in that for sure. If the designer could come back with some
options and alternatives that either did or didn't include the pylons.
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Mr. Keene: I think we have a couple of choices. We could do that. On the
other hand, we could go ahead and develop the proposal bids, put them out,
but get them priced by the type of item that they are and be flexible enough
to then make the decision, come back to the Council and start dropping
things out also, if we want to. You may say actually we would like to have
two of those but not eight of them or whatever. It seems like it might be
easier once we know the cost and all of those things than trying to do that in advance.
Council Member Holman: I'm good with doing that. It's what I was asking
for, but you said it better. Thank you.
Council Member Kniss: Pat, let me add just a couple of words. I'm very
aware that men tend toward blue instead of green. I think green would be
far more consistent. I think we're going to find that blue is very jarring by
the time we install blue all over town. It may be very readable, but blue is
particularly used for hospital signs, if you've noticed that. It's used for
hospital signs and airport signs consistently. Although, as I said, I know
men tend toward blue, I think green is far more attractive for a town that
absolutely prides itself on being green and having green trees as our
symbol. I'm going to be disappointed if we don't go with green.
Mayor Burt: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: Sorry to disappoint. I'll just jump to making this
an amendment, and we'll skip the friendly amendment attempt. The
suggestion would be that we go with the blue color scheme.
Council Member Schmid: I'll second that.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION: Council Member Wolbach moved, seconded by
Council Member Schmid to direct Staff to solicit bids for construction for the
Downtown Parking Wayfinding design in the blue color scheme.
Council Member Kniss: What?
Council Member Wolbach: The blue color scheme.
Council Member Kniss: Why didn't you just vote against the Motion?
Council Member Wolbach: May as well just put it out right now. Sounded
like Council Member Schmid seconded it. To speak to it briefly. As I said
before, I think it's important and as Mayor Burt pointed out, I think it's
important to distinguish purposes with various color schemes. I think that
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the blue suggested is not a jarring shade of blue and allows us to retain
green for other City purposes.
Council Member Schmid: For my second, the slide on the screen shows that
it's cleaner, more readable, a stronger contrast, better while moving to see.
It just seems to be more effective.
Mayor Burt: I'll just say I could live with either.
Council Member DuBois: I don't want to abstain.
Mayor Burt: Go ahead.
Council Member Holman: I only want to respond to that because if you look
at this and you're saying that the blue is cleaner, there are very different
designs that you see in front of you.
Mayor Burt: We're voting on the Substitute Motion which is blue signs. That
passes 5-2 with Council Members Holman and Kniss voting no.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION PASSED: 5-2 Holman, Kniss no, Filseth, Scharff
absent
Mayor Burt: Now we can move on to ...
Council Member Kniss: Don't blame us.
Mr. Keene: I'm still hanging with my sisters.
Council Member Kniss: Shall I continue with the Motion?
Mayor Burt: Yeah.
Council Member Kniss: The second part of the Motion—looking down at you,
Jim—unless you want to alter some of the wording in it, is to direct the Staff
to prepare plans and estimates for construction and installation of
automated parking guidance system, heretofore known as APGS, with
preference for single space monitoring in the Downtown Palo Alto parking
garages and solicit bids when funding becomes available. Unless Staff
wishes to add something to that, that is the Motion.
Council Member Berman: Second.
MOTION: Council Member Kniss moved, seconded by Council Member
Berman to direct Staff to prepare plans and estimates for construction and
installation of Automated Parking Guidance System (APGS) with preference
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for single-space monitoring in the Downtown Palo Alto parking garages and
solicit bids when funding becomes available.
Mayor Burt: Did you need to speak to it anymore?
Council Member Kniss: I really think I've spoken ...
Mayor Burt: Got you.
Council Member Kniss: I've spoken enough. I am disappointed about the
green.
Mayor Burt: Did you want to speak to your second?
Council Member Berman: I'm good.
Mayor Burt: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: I appreciate the Mayor's discussion about ROI. I
think the right comparison is the Return on Investment (ROI) on the $2
million investment and kind of what do we get back in spots versus the ROI
on the $300,000 solution and what do we get back in spots. Again, I'm
concerned about time. I think we're talking about construction costs in
2017, 2018 versus 2016 potentially. I don't think it's being penny wise and
pound foolish, but it's hard to know for sure. I would like to see some
analysis. I wouldn't mind paying for this immediately and starting to
generate some parking revenues. I don't think Liz Kniss would mind either. Again, the difference between efficiencies. If it was 95 percent efficient with
the lowest cost option and 100 percent with the expensive option, that's 60
spots. That's significant. We have one lot today that's over 100 percent or
at 100 percent. If we're really talking about 20 spots, it shifts the analysis.
Twenty-eight spots is the breakeven. We're somewhere between 60 and 28.
I'm concerned about the annual costs which you didn't really know what
they were going to be. Again, I'm concerned that the more complex solution
is actually going to be a lot more expensive than the $2 million when we get
to it. I think the facility count is a very simple solution, and the cost more
(inaudible). I'd also like to say I'm not particularly swayed by the
stakeholders' asking for the most expensive solution and not wanting
revenue controls. I just don't think they're thinking about the fiscal health
of the City. I'm just concerned we're kind of rushing to the most expensive
solution. It is a reasonable amount of money, 1.7 million difference. Again,
it could be $2.5 million, $3 million by the time we construct it.
Mr. Keene: I just did want to say ...
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Mayor Burt: Mr. Keene.
Mr. Keene: ... it's not in the Motion, but I said that we would come back to
the Council prior to soliciting bids with more cost benefit clarity.
Mayor Burt: We'll have that additional guidance. I do want to just respond
to your math, Council Member DuBois. I kind of gave the benefit of the
doubt toward the benefit. I think I rounded downward. Based on the
numbers that Jessica provided, it sounds like our average utilization for the four parking garages is currently in the 80-85 percent range. She didn't
give a number for the ballpark of the Alternative 2. Alternative 1, they gave
a ballpark of 90-95 percent, and the primary close to 100. No, we're talking
each one of these increments is a very strong payback. The other thing is
that this is a long-term solution. I'm not saying it's a long-term
implementation. Shaving perhaps a few months and not going for a solution
that will save millions of dollars and be a much better technology, I think, is
shortsighted. I want to ...
Council Member DuBois: Just to clarify. We heard that one lot is at 100
percent full today. There are other ways to fill lots. That's really the point
I'm making. It was 85 percent with no solution, so adding a facility count
solution would have some improvement. If there are other ways to fill lots where we get to 100 percent already, (crosstalk).
Mayor Burt: The near 100 percent on one lot ...
Council Member DuBois: Shows high demand for that lot.
Mayor Burt: It's only at peak hour that they were referring to that. Under
the rationale of if it were near 100 percent, then the argument would be
don't put anything on that lot. I don't think your ...
Council Member DuBois: (crosstalk)
Mayor Burt: Just a second. I've got the floor back. I think that we see that
there would be significant benefit to a technology even on the lot that is the
highest utilization, because there's a whole bunch of the day where we'll get
better utilization. The parking problems exist not just at peak hour. They're
just the worst at peak hour, at lunch time. We're going to get a lot of
benefit. It dwarfs the difference in expense in my mind. In any event, I see
no more lights. The Motion is to—we don't have it before us.
Council Member Wolbach: Do we have a Motion?
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Mayor Burt: Yeah. Council Member Kniss made a Motion and Council
Member Berman ...
Council Member Kniss: It's up on the board.
Mayor Burt: There we go. To direct Staff to prepare plans and estimates for
construction of the APGS with preference for single space monitoring and
solicit bids when funding becomes available. As the City Manager said, this
action tonight isn't binding direction. Council Member Holman.
Council Member Holman: City Manager also said they would come back with
iterations, with analysis. I don't know if you need that in the Motion or not,
just to clarify that that will be happening.
Mayor Burt: I don't think we do. Please vote on the board. That passes 6-1
with Council Member DuBois voting no and Council Members Filseth and
Scharff absent. That concludes this item.
MOTION PASSED: 6-1 DuBois no, Filseth, Scharff absent
Inter-Governmental Legislative Affairs
Mayor Burt: The next is Inter-Governmental Legislative Affairs. I'm not
aware of any updates.
Council Member Questions, Comments and Announcements
Mayor Burt: Council Members' Questions, Comments and Announcements. I know that Council Member Kniss wishes to adjourn the meeting in memory
of one of our citizens. Any other Council Member questions or comments?
Council Member Kniss.
Council Member Kniss: Thanks very much to people who contacted me
about Paula Kirkeby, including Karen who was here earlier tonight, I think,
from the Art Center. I'd like to read what she forwarded to everyone that
she knew would be concerned about this. As we adjourn in her honor
tonight, many of you would have known her because she was involved with
art, had an art studio and was a real presence in this community for a very
long period of time. Here's what Karen wrote: I'm very saddened to share
that longtime Art Center supporter and community member Paula Kirkeby
passed away on Friday afternoon. Through her work as an art supporter,
consultant, dealer, community volunteer, owner and operator of Smith
Anderson Editions, Paula made an indelible mark on the art world, and she
will be deeply missed. Her connections to Palo Alto run deep. She first
came to Palo Alto in 1956 and opened a gallery at 200 Homer in 1969. In
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1978, she opened what they ended up calling 3EP Press with partners Mary
Margaret Anderson—many of you know her—and Joseph Goldyne where she
worked with artists such as Nathan Oliveira and Frank Lobdell. In 1984, she
became the sole owner of the press and renamed it Smith Anderson,
relocating to its present location on Pepper Avenue in Palo Alto. For more
than three decades in a modest building on a residential street, Paula
worked to provide extraordinary opportunities for artists to experience monotype printing at the press, developing an impressive roster of additions
from artists of national and international acclaim, Bruce Conner, Enrique
Chagoya, Sam Francis, George Herms, Ed Moses, Miriam Shapiro and so
many more. Paula also maintained an independent consultancy and, in that
capacity, helped to support the careers of artists including Bruce Conner,
working to organize the exhibition and publication of 2000 BC: The Bruce
Conner Story, Part II at the de Young Museum and at the Walker Art Center,
which remains—says Karen—one of the very best exhibitions I've ever seen
in my entire career. Paula was involved at the Art Center as a longtime
contributor and also participated in some of our early campaign capital
leadership. She served on the Public Art Commission, contributed and
facilitated the contribution of more than 30 works of art to the Art in Public Places collection of the City of Palo Alto. The Art Center featured works of
art from Smith Anderson Exhibitions in several exhibitions, including one in
1992 and the exhibition For the Love of It in 2004 that showcased her legacy
through more than 50 prints from more than 27 local collectors. The picture
below—which I will try to pull up—is from the opening and features former
Smith Anderson staff member Whit Loy [phonetic[ and former Art Center
curator Signe Mayfield on the left with Paula and former Art Director Linda
Craighead [phonetic] on the right. We also worked on numerous
collaborations with Paula over the years, most recently in our artist
residency with Ehren Tool, during which Ehren created his first monoprint
series at Smith Anderson using paper created from military uniforms. She
goes on to describe the wonderful time she had working with Paula, all the
things that they did together, all the emerging young artists and so forth
including a man I don't know, Joseph Zirker, who has printed at the press.
She was a force, tenacious, passionate, deeply committed to her work and
to her community, a fierce belief in karma and maintained a deep and
expansive spiritual practice. She goes on to describe that, her beautiful
jewelry, her exquisite dressing and you'll want to know she loved to gamble
in Reno and Vegas. She worked to create, as they said, a vital community
of friends and so forth. We understand she passed away peacefully. We
have offered the Art Center as a location for the memorial, but I know the
family is looking forward to doing a large event at Santa Clara University
next year. We'll keep you posted. With that, I'd like to ask Karen Holman
to say something very significant about her involvement with us as a City.
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Council Member Holman: Thank you for that. Thank you for all your
comments and to Karen Kienzle as well. Just a couple of quick comments.
One of the things that Paula Kirkeby also did was she supported young
collectors, buying their first pieces, which is very important in getting
involved in that. The thing I was going to say was I think—it's maybe
unprecedented, certainly unusual and I've never experienced it before.
When Paula Kirkeby came before the Planning Commission—I don't remember if you were there at that time or not, Pat—she asked for an
extension of her conditional use permit for the Pepper location because it's in
a residential neighborhood. The Commission actually granted her not just
the single Conditional Use Permit (CUP) extension, but doubled her
requested time on the CUP. I've just not heard of that happening before or
since. It just is a great demonstration of how much the neighbors supported
her location on Pepper and how much the community supports her and her
efforts. She will indeed be missed.
Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned in memory of Paula Kirkeby at
10:38 P.M.
Mayor Burt: On that note, the meeting is adjourned.