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Special Meeting
November 30, 2015
The City Council of the City of Palo Alto met on this date in the Council
Chambers at 5:05 P.M.
Present: Berman, Burt, DuBois, Filseth arrived at 5:07 P.M., Holman,
Kniss, Scharff, Schmid, Wolbach
Absent:
Planning and Transportation Commission:
Present: Alcheck, Downing, Fine, Gardias, Rosenblum, Tanaka, Waldfogel
Absent:
Action Items
19. PUBLIC HEARING: To Consider a Continued Appeal of the Director of
Planning and Community Environment’s Architectural Review Approval
of a 31,407 Square-Foot, Four Story, Mixed Use Building With Parking
Facilities on two Subterranean Levels on an 11,000 Square-Foot Site in
the Downtown Commercial (CD-C (GF)(P)) Zone District Located at
429 University Avenue; and Approval of a Mitigated Negative
Declaration. Environmental Assessment: A Mitigated Negative
Declaration has Been Prepared. This Hearing is Continued From May
4, 2015 *Quasi Judicial.
Mayor Holman: Our first item on the agenda tonight is actually Item Number 19, to consider a continued appeal of the Director of Planning and
Community Environment's architectural review approval of a 31,407 square-
foot, four-story, mixed-use building with parking facilities on two
subterranean levels on an 11,000-square-foot site in the Downtown
Commercial Zone located at 429 University Avenue and approval of a
mitigated negative declaration. This is a quasi-judicial, so if any Council
Members have anything to declare? Council Members? I did have a brief
conversation with a couple of members of the public, not the appellant or
the applicant. Seeing no other lights, that is it. We'll go to Staff for a
presentation.
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Jonathan Lait, Planning and Community Environment Assistant Director:
Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and City Council. This is a continued
public hearing item for the mixed-use project at 429 University Avenue.
Just to reacquaint the Council and the people watching, this is at roughly the
northwest corner of University and Kipling. The project is a Code-compliant
project. It contains approximately 31,000 square feet of building area. The
ground floor being retail; the second floor office; and the third and fourth
floors dedicated to residential. A mitigated negative declaration was
prepared for the project and finding no unmitigable impacts. This slide
basically provides a timeline. The project was submitted in June last year.
There were a number of hearings before the Architectural Review Board, and
a recommendation from that Board to the Director for approval. The project
was approved and ultimately appealed. The City Council considered that
appeal in May this year. There was a discussion at the Council and a remanding back of the project to the ARB and HRB, which I'll talk about in
just a moment. Here's some slides just showing the exterior of the project
site. This is the view from University Avenue. This is a view from Kipling
Street. When the project was first submitted to the Architectural Review
Board before its even formal application, there were a number of design
schemes that were presented. This is the very first one. The project
continued to evolve over a number of meetings, finally resting with this
design here which is the Director tentative approval off of University Avenue.
Similarly, off of Kipling Street there was a design evolution that progressed
over a number of meetings, ending with this elevation here on the last
meeting. The City Council reviewed the project and voted 5-4 to continue
the matter to a future date; that is this meeting. In the course of doing so,
had asked that the ARB and HRB consider some additional factors. In
essence, the HRB was asked to take a look at the potential historic-related
impacts not just with the buildings that were existing, which was evaluated
with the original application, but also some of the surrounding areas and
some of the other potentially historic resources and historic resources in the
broader area. The Council directed HRB to look at a number of
compatibility-related issues, context-based criteria, and requested additional shadow studies as well as an updated circulation and traffic report. In total
there were three new studies that were requested and prepared; the
updated historic resources report, the traffic study and the shadow impact.
None of these reports resulted in any conclusions that the project would
detrimentally impact either the historic resources, the traffic operations of the alley or the streets in the area, or cast shadows on buildings in a
significant way. Based on all of the feedback that the applicant received
from the Council, revised plans were submitted, and these plans were
reviewed by the Architectural Review Board and HRB as directed. This is the
rendering showing the project as revised by the applicant. The Staff Report
includes a number of changes that were made to this project. I believe
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Attachment E contains a letter from the applicant. By way of comparison,
here is the project that was presented to the City Council in May. As we go
to the Kipling elevation, this is the revised elevation off of Kipling to respond
to the Council's comments. This was the project that was first reviewed by
the City Council on appeal. That takes us to the alternatives that are before
the Council today. There are three basic alternatives: either to deny the
appeal and uphold the project based on the Director's findings; uphold the
appeal and approve the project with modified findings and conditions; or
uphold the appeal and deny the project based on specific findings. I'll
conclude the Staff Report at this time and thank you for your attention.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. At this time we have an appellant and an
applicant. You'll each be granted up to ten minutes. At the conclusion of
other public comments, you'll each have three minutes to conclude or
respond, should you desire to do that. Mr. Mitchell, are you speaking for the applicant?
Kent Mitchell: Yes, Madam Mayor. The architect is going to speak first,
(inaudible).
Mayor Holman: I don't. Can you clarify with the Clerk? I don't have any
way of knowing who that is. First, we will hear from the appellant,
Mr. Harbour. You'll have up to ten minutes. Mr. Mitchell, if you would work
with the Clerk so that I can identify who, names, is going to speak for the
applicant, that would be really helpful. Thank you. Mr. Harbour, you'll have
up to ten minutes. Will you be the only speaker for the appellant?
Public Hearing opened at 5:11 P.M.
Michael Harbour, Appellant: I'm the only one amongst the appellants here
that are speaking. I don't know about the members of the public.
Mayor Holman: Thank you.
Mr. Harbour: Is Roger here, who's in charge of the slides? Let's see here.
Good evening, and thank you for an earlier special session to review this
final review of the proposed building at 429 University at Kipling Street,
which is an important designation, that it's at Kipling. On behalf of the
appellants, I wanted to present some of our evaluations with regard to the
work that's been done since we last were together on May 4th. As you know when I presented originally to you, the appellants had a number of concerns
as well as the public regarding Municipal Code, Comprehensive Plan
Regulations and Downtown Guidelines that we all felt were ignored by this
plan. We felt Palo Alto Municipal Code requires harmonious transitions in
scale and character and that are considerate of each other as designated by
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Municipal Code. The design should follow Context Cased Design Criteria and
be responsible to context and compatible with adjacent development
including street types. There should be appropriate transitions to the
surroundings and that the new construction should share general
characteristics and design linkages and maintain a visual unity of the street.
Again, all of this is documented as criteria which developers need to follow
when proposing new buildings. We felt that there was insufficient parking
and congested traffic flow which would adversely affect the safety of
neighboring residential areas. We felt that the Kipling Street secondary
business district recognition was being ignored. We felt that this massive
building discourages the use of the Downtown alleyways for pedestrian and
bicycle only use and prevents shops from opening onto the alleyway. As we
talked about, we were concerned about the loss of ground retail space.
From your motion on May 4th, you ordered the traffic and shadow studies, which I don't really agree with the conclusion of Mr. Lait that they had no
impact at all. There are a number of subtle, interesting findings in that. The
project shall have this—you mandated that the project shall have design
linkages with the overall pattern of buildings so that the visual unity of both
University and Kipling are maintained. Again, you said both streets needed
to be considered as part of this. You asked that the HRB evaluate the
historic buildings, and that it be resubmitted back to the ARB. Specifically,
you said in your mandate the option of a third or fourth floor could be
evaluated provided that they are visually compatible from the streets, both
University and Kipling, and that they require articulation and setbacks. We'll
discuss that here shortly. The HRB met and voted unanimously, 5-0, that
the building was too big, massive and incompatible with surroundings. They
described the building as dominant and overwhelming. They blasted this
proposal, blasted it. They said it will permanently change University
Avenue. There were significant numbers of historic properties overlooked in
the assessment including many Birge Clark buildings like the old Apple
building and the Varsity Theatre. The historic area, they said, was not
inclusive enough and should have been enlarged. They said there was no
attempt to minimize massing at the rear of the building from the perspective of Kipling Street, Lytton Avenue and the alleyway, including the 15-foot
height addition on top of the four stories from the HVAC and the elevator
shaft; and the building could be seen from far away. They said single-story
buildings are becoming rare and difficult to compare for future development
proposals. Some specific comments that were made at the HRB. The Chair said any historic building within eyesight should have been included within
the study area. Mr. Bower said his most serious concern is that the mass
and scale is not sympathetic to the surrounding buildings. Beth Bunnenberg
said, "We are setting the pattern, and the cumulative impacts of these types
of buildings set the pattern that it is okay to build these massive buildings."
Ms. DiCicco said this needs more close review. Ms. Wimmer said the mass
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and scale can be more sensitive and sympathetic. This is the extreme case.
This is 5-0. I listened to the Historic Resources video and attended four
separate times, and I wrote down all their quotes. The first building that
was proposed here was not deemed to be compatible with Code. There was
no shared characteristics or design linkages with the neighboring buildings.
The visual unity of the street was not maintained. Large scale and mass
detracted from pedestrian-oriented design. Guess what folks? This new
building is still not compatible. The only thing that was done here was the
third and fourth floors were moved to the rear of the building, and shifted all
the massing there. It is the same footprint. It is the exact same square
footage. If you have the same footprint, the exact same square footage,
and we've moved the third and fourth floors setback from University, all it
did was move them to the back towards the Kipling Street view and the
alleyway. It worsens the mass effect from the Kipling view. This new lighter color that they've come up with makes the building appear even larger.
That was noted by the Historic Resources Board. The scale and mass
overwhelm Kipling Street and the alleyway. The upper floors should be
setback from all sides sufficiently. All exposed sides should be treated
equally. That's in our Municipal Code, all exposed sides. They're not. This
site is not compatible with neighboring buildings. The Council, all of you,
mandated that the setbacks should minimize massing; it needed to be done
all sides. It turns this alleyway into a busy one-way street to service the in-
and-out garage. There's insufficient use of landscaping to buffer the
entrance from the adjacent buildings. Again, it's the same colossal building
and footprint on the narrowest street in Downtown Palo Alto. When you look
at their rendering from University Avenue, they've put these massive trees
out there that actually hide the floors from second to the fourth floor against
this one-story, historic Birge Clark building. You have three solid floors of
flat wall that you will see when driving down University Avenue, but it's been
deceptively hidden here by this tree. Some specific comments from the ARB
Members. I wanted to let you know here I've put them in red which I think
are the most important. Member Kim said, "I understand the concerns that
it doesn't respond enough with regard to Kipling." Member Lew, "The bulk of the building has been pushed towards the alley and looks like a uniform
block of grey stucco." That's from our ARB Member. He said, "This is a 3.0
FAR building which is larger than what we would normally allow due to the
applicant's TDR. Given what the Council gave us with this narrow focus, I
would say that it is not working together. This four-story building shadows the one-story building on the alleyway. If the fourth floor were eliminated, it
would fit better." Finally, "my recommendation is that this project come
back again to ARB and come back smaller." Those aren't my words; these
are your ARB Members. Finally, the Chairman said, "It does have a problem
in the back and on the alleyway. Removing the fourth floor would be the
best solution, but the TDRs and zoning prevent us from doing this." The
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traffic study recommends removing one or two parking spaces along Kipling
Street to improve visibility. It does not consider the safety and impact of
the existing businesses on the alleyway. Our alleyways should be used for
pedestrians and people walking back and forth. The traffic report did not
assess that. At a minimum the City, if this project is approved, needs to
consider reversing the alleyway traffic towards the larger and wider
Waverley Street for better flow and utilize the existing signals at both ends.
Kipling doesn't have a signal at both ends, and Waverley does. The traffic
should actually flow out toward Waverley, but that's a worst case scenario if
you were to approve this building. The shadow study here—this is a four-
story building plus HVAC and an elevator shaft which obscures daylight over
the alleyway. What I want to show you is—I took this picture right here.
This is the back of Design Within Reach. It's about 1 1/2 stories. You can
see during the daylight how this building already shadows across the alleyway. This is only 1 1/2 stories tall. Wait 'til you get a four-story
building plus HVAC plus the elevator shaft. You will completely obscure that
building. The study improperly equates the impact from the building as that
from the trees. It says it won't be any longer than what the trees do. Come
on, I mean, we're not idiots. Trees leave a lacy type of shadowy figure, not
what a big, block building does. I mean, this is just so ridiculous how these
people can right these things here. We can see this on Florence Street
where the big, ugly garage completely obscures little, tiny Florence Street
with the big shadows that go over, across. You can see what lacy tree
shadows are. It's not the same as a big building. In summary—actually
according to my clock, I have 20 seconds. I will review this at the three-
minute rebuttal.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Thank you.
Mr. Harbor: Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. We'll now hear from the applicant, and Jim
Trotter is architect and Kent Mitchell as attorney for the applicant. You'll
have a combined ten minutes.
Jim Trotter, Architect for Applicant: Mayor Holman, Vice Mayor Schmid, and
fellow Council Members, thank you for having us. I'm Jim Trotter; I'm the consulting architect for Elizabeth and Jaime Wong. I'm helping with the
shadow study and reviewing the revisions on the proposal for 429
University. As I stated at the last meeting with the ARB, I think both the
original design by Ken Hayes and the current revised plans are elegant and
thoughtful designs. As a modern, contemporary, mixed-use development, this is one of the better designs that I've seen in this area in Palo Alto.
Concerning the context and the complexity of the program, I think this
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project has been very well integrated, maximizing what could be done with a
corner site and meeting retail, commercial and also residential needs as well.
In response to the criticisms of this project, the design has gone through
over two years of ARB revisions already. The latest revision, six actually, is
responding to the concerns expressed by the Council, and addresses all
these concerns with more generous setbacks and by adjusting the scale of
the storefronts to the neighboring properties. Regarding the storefront
façade, the verticality that the ARB liked in Revision 5 was adjusted to
reduce the height and mass on University Avenue. Revision 6 keeps a
modern appearance while omitting some of this verticality, and thus you
have a more horizontal look. This look is common for modern office and
mixed-use design. Another project in the area also designed by Ken Hayes
at 611 Cowper Street has 100 feet of frontage as does 429 University. It's
upper floors also have balconies running the front of the building, also like 429 University. For this revision, Revision 6, you can see from the
renderings what has been shown in the report. The balconies on the third
and fourth floor are not new, but were carried over from Revision 5. These
balconies just became more prominent with the revision of the vertical
façade in Revision 5. On the fourth floor, the rail line was broken up visually
by interesting planters along University Avenue, which was approved by the
ARB in Revision 5. We can propose introducing some more planters; that
was one of the things we just recently discussed on the third floor of
Revision 6 to also horizontally break up the glass rail visually, even though
we already feel we have made the latest changes in Revision 6 to address all
the concerns that have been brought up. In addition to these observations,
I want to point out that much of the concern about the overall height of the
project does not affect the experience of the pedestrian on University or
Kipling. Part of the challenge of two-dimensional drawings and even model
renderings is to help everyone see what the pedestrian sees. With increased
setbacks at the third and fourth levels, especially facing University and
Kipling, the pedestrian really won't see the third and fourth floors. With the
area of the retail space essentially remaining the same in kind, the
pedestrian or local shopper will continue to have a similar or better level of retail options with a more contemporary design. Finally in summary, all of
the revisions made to this point have addressed the concerns made by both
the ARB and City Council while keeping essential functionality and program
intact. This modern, contemporary, mixed-used development has been
carefully and painstakingly designed and revised to meet the current zoning and Code requirements. I honestly don't see any reason for the appeal to
be accepted. Thank you for your consideration.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Mr. Mitchell.
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Mr. Mitchell, Attorney for Applicant: Good evening, Madam Mayor and
members of the Council. I'm Kent Mitchell, the attorney for the applicant. I
want to thank the Staff, the Director, the ARB, the HRB and the City's
outside consultants for reviewing all of this material. I would point out that
despite everything that has been said here by the appellant, those reports
all confirm that the findings are appropriate that were made by the ARB.
The ARB did not choose to changes its findings. The ARB did not choose to
take a new vote. What's before you on the record is the 4-0 vote from the
previous iteration and no recommendation that findings that they made or
the Director made and adopted be changed. The applicant has worked
diligently in this case to present a Code-compliant project, and Staff has
confirmed that this is a Code-compliant project. It also serves the City's
mixed-use goals for uses in the Downtown CD area, which is very important.
It may be that there is a political discussion to be had about the appropriate future of development on the CD Downtown area, but that's a discussion
that has not yet been had. The ordinances that are in place should still be
given full effect, and only if those ordinances are changed should different
standards apply. As far as the historic concerns that have been raised by
the referral motion back, those were basically to make sure that CEQA was
being complied with in the environmental analysis. All of your reports, your
consultant Carey and Co., the tests under CEQA, the Eureka case that I cited
in my letters and even the applicant's historic consultant have universally
confirmed that this project will not cause historic resources in the area to
lose their historic significance. That's the test that you should apply because
your historic ordinance is basically the same as the State historic ordinance.
What this comes down to is some subjective criteria of mass, compatibility,
visible impact. This brings in your TDR ordinance. This ordinance was
passed to incentivize two things: one, the rehabilitation or removal of
dangerous, seismically unsafe structures, or rehabilitation of dilapidated
historic resources which you would rather not lose. The City gets the benefit
of this bargain by getting these benefits, correcting these problems, and it in
turn gives an FAR allowance that exceeds what normally could be available
to a building in the Downtown CD district as long as it's a qualifying receiver site. Now, what is—your ordinance is very, very specific about what a
qualifying receiver site is. Basically, it has to be in the CD, Downtown area,
which this site is. It cannot be an historic site itself, which this is not. It
cannot contain an historic structure, which this does not. It must be at least
150 feet from any property zoned for residential use, which it is. And/or it is in a commercial zone within the Downtown area that has present other
mixed uses, which it does. These are the standards for determining what is
a qualified site. That really concludes the inquiry about whether this is a
qualified site. In fact, this project wouldn't even have been submitted if it
weren't a qualified site. Then the question is what other requirements are
there. The requirement is that you allow the square footage to be made
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available, the additional FAR square footage, provided that it is not
necessary to reduce the square footage in order to modify the project. It
also must be compliant with specific requirements of the Municipal Code.
That's what your TDR ordinance says. No specific requirements have been
identified that have not been satisfied. Things like height, parking, setback,
circulation, etc., all of those have been met. The ARB is the body that you
have charged and they are the professionals that you have selected to
evaluate architectural aspects of this project under Chapter 18.76. It has
made findings as were adopted by the Director that this project meets all the
requirements of 18.76. You should give great weight to these, because
these are the people you have selected to make these determinations and
recommendations to you as well as the consultants that you have approved
or selected. What remains then is in that context were considerations of
mass, compatibility and visibility of the project appropriately considered and were the findings about them appropriate. Recipients of TDRs in this case
are entitled to rely on your ordinance and to receive the benefits of that
ordinance, the increased FAR, particularly when the City, having made that
bargain, has already received all the benefits that it is entitled to get. A
larger building is inevitable whenever you transfer TDR rights to a qualifying
site. To say that this is bigger than the building next door or this is bigger
than we're accustomed to, that is really not relevant given the fact that you
have agreed that they can have a larger building as long as it meets the
specific requirements and the architectural requirements. In any case, the
mass is going to be greater, the visibility is going to be greater, and the
building is going to be more prominent given these FAR transfers. You must
take that into consideration if you're applying your own ordinances fairly.
This is what is and what should be expected of the City and of its residents.
The previous iteration of this project met all the requirements of the Code
and received the approval recommendation of the ARB. Here in response to
the Council, mass and visibility really is no longer the issue. Compatibility—
30 seconds if I may?
Mayor Holman: Mr. Harbour stopped at time, and I must ask you to do the
same thing if you would please.
Mr. Mitchell: I will finish in my ...
Mayor Holman: You'll have three minutes coming up.
Mr. Mitchell: Thank you.
Mayor Holman: We have 14 speakers on this item. You can figure that
math out pretty quickly. We'll allow two minutes to help us move through this. I appreciate the public's indulgence on that. When you hear your
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name called, if you would please move to the front pew so that you're ready
to come forward and speak, that would be most helpful. Also, if anyone else
needs to speak to this item, turn your card in now. I will not be accepting
cards after the first speaker completes speaking. With that, Andrew Gottlieb
to be followed by Vita Goborova. I apologize if I'm butchering that last
name. I apologize. Thank you. Andrew.
Andrew Gottlieb: Good evening, Mayor and Council. I am a resident of
Downtown Palo Alto; I live on Emerson Street. I'm not anti-development by
any stretch. I like to see progressive development of the neighborhood.
When I see something like this, it's gone a little bit far. I believe the
developer's playing a bit of a shell game here. I think what they've done is
they've taken some of the serious comments that have been publicly made,
and they haven't listened. They just clearly haven't listened. They've taken
the mass, and they've just moved it to a different spot. Now we're looking at pretty much the same project, not without the developers taking into
account really the concerns of the Council and the ARB and what the
neighbors have to say. I'm not sure these folks are even neighbors in
Downtown, so they actually won't be even impacted. When you walk down
Kipling Street, you can just feel what will happen to that street given the
nature of the project. If that's a well-integrated development, as this
gentleman said, then we have a big problem in Palo Alto. Thank you for
your time and good night.
Mayor Holman: For those who aren't familiar with speaking, when the
yellow light goes on, that means you have a minute left, just so everybody
knows. Vita Goborova to be followed by Stephen Levy. Again, apologies
about the last name.
Vita Borbunova: Hello. I'm a 15-years resident of Downtown Palo Alto, and
I'm speaking very much in support of appeal and very much against this
project. Honestly speaking, I am pretty much convinced that owners and
architect never actually expected you to approve this project as they
submitted it as they just give you the plans of the biggest and cheapest they
could get into the City without being locked out of the City. That's what it is,
and it's a huge (inaudible) that we're still discussing four-story high project when I clearly remember, for example, Karen Holman mentioning removing
one or even two stories from this project. Somehow it was left as a possible
(inaudible). I also think that they're omitting a lot of detail from the
submitted plans. For example, the building across the street from the
proposed building shown as high as this building. In reality, the roof would be this high. It's kind of omitting it. Here's how the building mass would
look like on the photograph. I just take the ruler and did it. Here on the
back looking from the Kipling, how it would look on the back. If you can see
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from here is this little thing. It's a building on the back. I can actually give
you the paper, so you can take a look at it. This building will have huge
impact. They just silently laughing and very happy that you are still
discussing it. What should be discussing here is a two-story building, how to
make it look appropriate for this site. Please don't call it a modern design;
it's not modern. It's outdated, last century way to build cheap.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Stephen Levy to be followed by Sally Ann Rudd.
Again, if speakers would come to the front when you hear your name called,
that would be most helpful. Thank you. Stephen Levy.
Stephen Levy: You have my best wishes for your Study Session that
follows. Dave Price said they followed the rules. Jonathan said project is
Code-compliant. That sets a pretty high bar for me. The size and uses are
legal. The in-lieu money can be used by the City for transit options for
workers for building additional garages. As several people have said, it meets the City's guidelines for a mixed-use project. You'll have better
seismic safety. There are green elements and active transportation
elements. That's a really high bar. I'm not going into the "I don't like it." It
feels too subjective to me, with the one exception that I gave you in my
letter. I live on a smaller street, Gilman, on which you are considering two
parking garages. There are far, far, far, far more people who live next to
what could be a parking garage that backs up to my bedroom. What are we
supposed to do? Say we don't like it; it'll inconvenience us, if that's your
best decision for a parking lot? Just like I didn't agree with what you did on
the office cap, I will work with you to support it, because it's what you did
and you had the legal right to do it. Finally, I don't know all the projects,
but this feels to me like the last major project that's left over before we test
your adoption of the office cap limitation. I'd like for all of us to go into it
with clean hands. This has been around for a while; it's Code compliant; it
has some public benefits. I urge you to approve the project as modified.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Sally Ann Rudd to be followed by Sam Arsan.
Sally Ann Rudd: Sally Ann Rudd, 354 Poe Street, Downtown North. I am a
26-year resident of Downtown Palo Alto. If you can't look at a building and
have a subjective reaction to it, then I don't know how you're supposed to assess a project like this. When I see it, I see something that maybe
belongs in Sunnyvale next to Lockheed Martin. I don't see something that
belongs in Downtown Palo Alto next to some lower buildings and opposite
the President Apartments which is a very tall building, but it's very elegant
and it's in a completely different style. I see no redeeming features in this building, and it is very massive. There are other massive buildings in
Downtown Palo Alto, but in the location that this one's going to be located, I
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think it's going to dominate the street and not in a good way. Two years
review is not a long time for a building like this, that is massive and is likely
to be controversial by its style and design. I believe it is a carbuncle in
Downtown Palo Alto. It is less attractive than the Cheesecake Factory, and I
never thought I would have to say that. Please, I do urge you to send this
back to the ARB and have some more major design improvements done to
this building. Usually I actually support building no parking for massive
building projects on the theory that people will use alternative transportation
if they do not have parking spaces at the place where they work. However,
in this case, the execution of the Downtown RPP has been so disappointing
that I do not think you should be approving any more projects that are not
self-parked until that is satisfactorily resolved. Code compliant or not, I
think that there are some major issues with traffic and parking that are not
being addressed, and those should be addressed as a priority. Please send this back to the ARB.
Mayor Holman: Sam Arsan to be followed by JC Andrade.
Sam Arsan: Hello. My name is Sam Arsan; I'm with Arsan Realty. I've
been involved with retail leasing in Downtown Palo Alto for over 20 years. I
believe this project will be a great addition to the Downtown area. It will
greatly enhance Downtown for the current tenants and future tenants. I
respectfully request that you approve this project. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. JC Andrade to be followed by Michaela
Dieffenbach.
JC Andrade: Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council. Thank you so
much for hearing me out on this. This first came to my attention a few
months ago. Michael, thank you as well for sticking up for us on this. I'm
now currently partnered up with Vino Locale which is at 431 Kipling Street
which is right across from where Zibibo used to be. When I first got to this
place, I said, "Wow. That's a beautiful street." As you know, all Victorian
homes and they all look like family homes. It's a beautiful place to be. It's
actually one of the few hideaways that you have here in Palo Alto now, that's
still left standing, that you can say, "Wow. That is old Palo Alto." That is
Palo Alto. That embodies Palo Alto. With this proposed building, we will be hidden away even more. We're already tucked away down this little street.
The parking, it's not as bad as other streets. When you say let's take away
a couple of spaces, it gets a little worse. When you put this building on the
corner, then what do we do? It's such a massive building that it will
absolutely hide us away. There will be no more this hidden gem. There will be no more beautiful little Kipling Street. There needs to be just—let's go
back to the drawing board. I'm all for progression; I'm all for building; I'm
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all for progress. We all are here in Palo Alto, but let's do it on a scale that's
going to be tasteful, accommodating to our neighbors. We can all just live
harmonious. This is what we're here for. Thank you very much for listening
to me.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Michaela Dieffenbach to be followed by Gerson
Bers.
Michaela Dieffenbach: Hi, my name's Michaela Dieffenbach. I have
Michaela's Flower Shop; you probably know us better at Stapleton's. I
worked there right out of high school. I don't even know where I'd be if I
wasn't there. My major concern with this is the alleyway. We use the
alleyway, as you can see, Valentine's Day and my partner Steve there. This
is our lifeline. Our trucks come through. Not only mine, our neighbors'.
This is where they come through. If this building takes up the alley, our
trucks—I don't know where our trucks are going to go. They have to use this. I share it with my neighbors, the tea place, the coffee shops. We all
use this alley. We need this alley to be kept open. I can't even imagine
once this happens how many cars and trucks are going to go through this.
You can see how tiny we are. We don't have a lot of space and how we've
been doing this space forever. This is my life. I love this little flower shop.
There's not too many of these little buildings around that keep going. We
keep losing all the great things just to things like this. We need to keep it
the same in some way. I'm like JC, I'm all for change; I'm all for a little bit.
They can't take the alley away, that's my lifeline. There's got to be a way
where we can figure this out, because I can't lose my shop. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Gerson Bers to be followed by Jeff Levinsky.
Gerson Bers: Thank you. My name is Gerson Bers, and I've lived in Palo
Alto for 25 years, first at 360 Forest right around the corner. Thank you for
permitting me a few moments to speak in support of the proposed 429
University project. I've heard and considered the widely circulated concerns
against this project and do not find them compelling. The argument that it
shades the neighbor properties is a legitimate concern, but review by third-
party consultants have determined that is not a realistic concern. The
argument that the project was too large was an early concern, but time after time after time it's evolved 'til the project now with third and fourth floor
setbacks that reduce the mass from University and Kipling on a pedestrian
scale. The argument that it replace important historic buildings has been
reviewed and set aside by highly qualified consultants. The argument that
the project overwhelms the older homes on Kipling is interesting. The block in question sits between University and Lytton. Between these two streets
are the most dense and important commercial development corridor in Palo
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Alto. There are many buildings 50 feet and taller on University, Lytton and
even on adjacent streets. I find the arguments that development is too
dense or too tall on University much like those who complain about train
whistles on Park Avenue. It's part of living in Downtown Palo Alto, you're
going to have high-density development. There's an ongoing conversation
regarding Ken Hayes' design. It's unfortunate. There are lots of modern
buildings near modern buildings in Palo Alto, some of which you guys are
going to award this evening. Lastly, I say that the project meets all of the
City requirements that you've laid in front of it. I urge you to approve this
project.
Mayor Holman: Well timed. Jeff Levinsky to be followed by Doria Summa.
Jeff Levinsky: Good evening, Mayor, Council Members and Staff. Many of
our streets are becoming urban canyons. Fortunately for Downtown, we
have compatibility rules to try to protect our architectural heritage and our community. The project before you tests those rules by proposing a building
quite different in massing and feel from many others around it. However, in
justifying the changes, the applicant and supporters have cited a few taller
buildings near the project. In particular, they've cited the four-story office
building at 428 and 432 University which is across the street from part of the
project. However, that building—I don't think anyone has mentioned this—
itself is noncompliant. It's FAR is well over 3.0. It would not be legal today.
The President Hotel of course is also noncompliant. I urge you to consider
that using excessive buildings to justify compatibility is unfair. It means that
neighborhoods will grow and grow in height. I think that's the wrong way to
go on this project. Another point I'd like to make is that none of the
visualizations offered show what this project will look like from the
perspective of a pedestrian walking down Kipling towards University, not
right at the building but from partway down the street where the houses are.
We've asked for that; we've never received those. I think it's worrisome
that the architect and applicant have failed to produce those drawings which
would be so important in understanding how this will fit in. If you decide to
continue this, I ask that you request story poles be erected; that's the norm
in other communities. I think that will help give the community a sense of how large and where the mass will be on this building. Thank you very
much.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Doria Summa to be followed by Ronjon Nag.
Doria Summa: Good evening, Mayor, City Council and Staff. Thank you for
letting me speak. I just wanted to lend support to the appellant. I feel that you've heard many of the issues raised about the congestion in the
alleyway, the massing and scale of the building which was not addressed at
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all. It is exactly the same size; they just shoved some of the mass back
towards the alley which is the most sensitive area and didn't reduce the size
of the building at all. I think that the ARB was genuinely disturbed with the
degradation of the quality of the architecture and the integrity of the original
architecture and made it clear that, while they stood by their findings, they
would not be able to approve the architecture today. It's still overwhelming
the one and two-story buildings that are adjacent on the street, except for
the two noncompliant buildings that the previous speaker mentioned. I also
wanted to mention that I'm a member of PAN, Palo Alto Neighborhoods,
which I represent my own neighborhood on. We did a survey last year. This
kind of issue of increasing density and congestion in Palo Alto is one that
most concerns neighbors. I also wanted to mention very quickly that
Mr. Mitchell for the applicant didn't quite get a couple of statements about
TDRs correct. They are not correctly or legally given to tear down historic buildings, only to renovate or rehabilitate. Similarly, when you are given a
TDR in Palo Alto you are not guaranteed that you can ever use it, because
you are not guaranteed a receiver site for any TDR. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Ronjon Nag to be followed by Jon Goldman.
Ronjon Nag: Hello. My name's Ronjon Nag. I'm a resident of Downtown
Palo Alto for 26 years, and I live on 354 Poe Street which is just a few blocks
down from this intersection of Kipling and University. I think from what
we've all heard what we've got to look at is a balance of the issues of new
building, the effects to others and progress of our neighborhoods. The job of
this position right now is to compute that balance. One argument is that the
applicant's proposal meets all the rules. The whole point we're here is that
the rules cannot cover every aspect. For me, the scale of the building is
what is overwhelming. I think it should be a two-story building. It also
should meet the character of the neighborhood. I do not think it is doing
that. I would like to support the appellant. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Jon Goldman to be followed by our final
speaker on this item, Neilson Buchanan.
Jon Goldman: Hello. Jon Goldman, I work over at Alma Street. I've been
working Downtown for 18 years, so I spend a lot of my waking hours there and very much love Downtown. Also professionally, our firm manages a
large number of properties in Downtown Palo Alto. Both personally and
professionally, I take interest, pride and concern in kind of the quality and
compatibility of what's going on in Downtown. One thing I think is
compatibility does definitely not mean that everything should be the same. This is a very elegant building. I think it would be a great addition to
Downtown. I'm also very enthusiastic about the idea of some housing being
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added. I think the whole mixed-use, housing over office and retail, is the
future of our Downtown to keep them vibrant and also make it so people
don't have to commute to work. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Our final speaker, Neilson Buchanan.
Neilson Buchanan: Neilson Buchanan at 155 Bryant Street, Downtown Palo
Alto neighborhood. I'm here to talk about informed decision making. I
know for a fact, because I've been involved in projects like this for the last
three years, but I think historically for the last ten years residents
particularly have been coming forward and saying the Staff Reports for
individual buildings do not result in an informed public, nor an informed City
Council. The central piece that has been very poorly articulated over those
ten years has been adequate parking. Staff Reports have somehow
systematically avoided giving you impact of parking and cumulative impact.
I know for a fact for the last three years we have tried to make that point clear to the City Council and to Staff, and it hasn't been made. Without
good Staff Reports, good decision making can't happen. Ironically, 14 days
from now you're going to get the first interim report on permit parking. The
residents' objections to the parking reports going to City Council have never
been about not having parking in our neighborhoods around University
Avenue. It's always been a question of how many parking places will be
taken out of the residential neighborhoods and devoted to commercial
parking lots. In 14 days, you're going to hear a report basically saying
5,000 residential parking spots, 2,000 of which are going to be dedicated to
Downtown workers for all-day parking. Five thousand parking places, 2,000
commercial parking places in the residential neighborhoods. To me, that's
an example that cumulative impact has not been addressed by the Council. I
don't think it can be corrected with this project. In 14 days, beginning to
unravel this Gordian knot will begin to happen. I ask you to start thinking
about a systematic solution. I think the root cause is the Parking
Assessment District entitlements. Until you have a Study Session over that,
I think we're going to be fighting the battle project-by-project. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much. If memory serves—I look at City
Attorney—the order is reversed, and the applicant gets their three minutes first and the appellant gets their three minutes second. Is that correct? I'm
trying to remember the order.
Cara Silver, Senior Assistant City Attorney: The rules don't specify.
Mayor Holman: That's what memory serves me.
Ms. Silver: Either way is fine.
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Mayor Holman: The applicant, either Mr. Mitchell or Mr. Trotter, you'll have
three minutes to respond to anything that's been said.
Mr. Mitchell: Thank you. I'd like to make five quick responses. With
respect to the issue of transition, please note that the transition zones in
your Comprehensive Plan are supposed to begin on the north side of Lytton
and the south of Hamilton. They're not supposed to begin on University
Avenue. Asking for a transition from this building to the Kipling buildings is
totally inappropriate. As far as the HRB's comment on architecture, that's
really not their purview. Their purview is to give you advice regarding
historic preservation. All of those opinions that recited, that were given by
the HRB, were more properly matters that should have been addressed and
were addressed by the ARB. As far as being a shell game, we're not
listening, we are listening. We've made immense changes in response to
comments from Staff. Lastly, the statement that I said the TDR ordinance is applicable where the historic buildings are torn down, I did not say that. I
said it's applicable where there's a rehabilitation of buildings. In summary, I
simply want to say that the appellant is really asking you to nullify your
ordinance, your TDR ordinance, and not give effect to what the tests it
promises are and explicit promises are for more square footage. Over the
last two years this project has been presented, re-presented, considered
reconsidered. The City has rightfully expected the applicant to abide by all
of its rules and regulations, and the applicant has done so. This is evidenced
by the massive reports, studies, findings that have been submitted to you all
in support of this project. Now, it is your opportunity to do the same, apply
those same rules fairly and reasonably, give credibility and meaning to your
TDR program and ordinance, deny this appeal and approve the project based
upon the Director's findings and conditions. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Mr. Harbour, you will also have three minutes
to respond to anything that's been put in the public record.
Mr. Harbour: I had a couple of summary comments. I do not feel the
applicant addressed the major issues outlined by the Council from the
motion on May 4th. There are multiple violations with regard to size,
massing and compatibility that still exist. The building size remains exactly the same. The only substantive changes has been the fact that the third and
fourth floors have been pushed back to the rear as much as they want to tell
you in their song and dance that they've done a lot of work. Lightening the
building color and changing the roof lines do not address the size and
massing issue. Their photos and poor renderings minimize the true impact of this project. Quality of life is negatively impacted for existing residents,
businesses, tenants, pedestrians and visitors. True mitigations in building
size and mass are absolutely necessary. That's what the ARB said in their
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final statements. This appeal is not about the applicant's right to develop
her property. We have never said that they can't develop this property.
This appeal is about maintaining proper mass and size and ensuring proper
transitions. As was mentioned here, TDRs—the ARB mentioned this as well.
Chairman Lew said TDRs don't get to automatically override these concerns
whenever the applicant wants to apply them. This would normally be a 2.0
FAR. They can take it up to a 3.0 FAR maximally. That's what they've tried
to do. They are pushing every square foot for the maximum rent that they
possibly can get. There's greed here, folks. That's what's motivating all of
this. If we had an opportunity to scale this back a little bit, we would not
have been here. Palo Alto is slowly facing a death by a thousand cuts. Each
one of these types of projects is being evaluated individually so that the
resulting building is now compared to a future building. When we have no
small buildings and historic with which to look at, you won't be having any more of these conversations. That's what's really sad here. It's death by a
thousand cuts. We're not looking at the totality and the comparative
aspects. Go back and listen to the ARB hearings; they've mentioned that as
well as the HRB Members as well. Thank you so much. I really encourage
you to have the strength to deny this application please.
Public Hearing closed at 6:02 P.M.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much. Council Members, given that we
have a number of people—we talked about this at pre-Council—waiting for
also Item Number 2, the Special Orders of the Day, we're going to do that
right now and go through that quickly, and then come back to Item Number
19. Those folks should be coming into the chambers right now. While we're
doing that, I'd like to remind Council Members that, also in front of you, you
have the ballots for Parks and Rec Commission tally. If you would turn
those in right now too, Staff can be compiling those ballots while we are
making presentation to the award winners.
James Keene, City Manager: Thanks, Madam Mayor. If I just might add for
folks watching at home, since the agenda's a little confusing, Item Number
19 is 429 University which was the first item on your agenda item, because
we moved it forward. Just so there's no confusion. Thanks.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much for that.
At this time Council heard Agenda Item Number 2.
Special Orders of the Day
2. Proclamation Honoring Winners of the 2015 Architectural Review Board
Awards.
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Mayor Holman: We do have a number of people who have joined us this
evening. Thank you all. Each year the ARB awards—actually it's not each
year. The ARB does periodically, every five years, designate award winners
for specific projects. I'll read the Proclamation and then the Vice Mayor will
assist on the Proclamations as we deliver those. This is the Proclamation for
the 2015 Architectural Review Board Design Awards. Mayor Holman read
the Proclamation into the record. We have six awards to be given, and we
have quite a representation here. The first presentation will be made to
Tom Eliot Fish, Page and Turnbull, BFSLA for the Stanford Hoover Pavilion at
211 Quarry Road for preservation. I'll join you down here and present the
award. A representative for Tom Eliot Fish will be receiving the framed
Proclamation. Vice Mayor Schmid will be announcing the subsequent
awardees. Amy would you like to receive this for that project? Okay.
Vice Mayor Schmid: The second award of the evening goes to Group 4 Architects, Garavaglia Architecture and Gates and Associates for Rinconada
Library, 1213 Newell, for preservation, addition and site design, Dawn
Merkes. The third award goes to Bohlin Cywinski Jackson Architect for Apple
store, 340 University Avenue, remodel, representatives Laing Chung and
Priya Mara. The fourth award goes to Verde Design, Barbara Butler, RHAA,
Magical Bridge Playground at Mitchell Park, 600 East Meadow Drive, special
award for innovative-inclusive playground, representatives Derek McKee and
Corbin Schneider. Award Number 6 again to Group 4 Architects for the
Mitchell Park Library, 3700 Middlefield Award, special award for sustainable
design, representative Dawn Merkes. Award Number 4 to Jimmy Chang for
Paris Baguette, 383 University Avenue, small project and renovation,
representative Jimmy Chang.
Mayor Holman: Thank you all for your indulgence while we do that.
At this time Council heard Agenda Item Number 3.
3. Appointment of Three Candidates to the Parks and Recreation
Commission to Terms Ending December 15, 2018.
Mayor Holman: Perhaps the City Clerk has a tally on the Parks and Rec
Commission appointments.
Beth Minor, City Clerk: I do.
First Round of voting for three positions on the Parks and Recreation
Commission with terms ending December 15, 2018:
Voting For Jim Cowie: Berman, Burt, DuBois, Filseth,
Holman, Kniss, Scharff, Schmid,
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Wolbach
Voting For Anne Cribbs: Berman, Burt, DuBois, Filseth,
Holman, Kniss, Scharff, Schmid,
Wolbach
Voting For Judith Fields:
Voting For Cybele LoVuolo-Bhushan: Burt
Voting For David Moss: DuBois, Filseth, Kniss, Scharff,
Schmid
Voting For Victoria Thorp: Berman, Holman, Wolbach
Ms. Minor: Jim Cowie and Anne Cribbs, each with nine votes, have been
appointed to the Board. David Moss with five is also appointed.
Mayor Holman: Thank you and congratulations. Congratulations to
everyone who applied. The comments after those interviews were "we have
a lot of good candidates. This is going to be difficult." I think you can tell that by the vote. Thank you to all the applicants, and congratulations to
those who have been appointed.
At this time Council returned to Agenda Item Number 19.
19. PUBLIC HEARING: To Consider a Continued Appeal of the Director of
Planning and Community Environment’s Architectural Review Approval
of a 31,407 Square-Foot, Four Story, Mixed Use Building With Parking
Facilities on two Subterranean Levels on an 11,000 Square-Foot Site in
the Downtown Commercial (CD-C (GF)(P)) Zone District Located at
429 University Avenue; and Approval of a Mitigated Negative
Declaration. Environmental Assessment: A Mitigated Negative
Declaration has Been Prepared. This Hearing is Continued From May
4, 2015 *Quasi Judicial.
Mayor Holman: We now return to our first item which is Item Number 19.
Council Members, if we could, let's try to do—we might have to do more
than one round here. Can we do combined questions and comments in
three-minute rounds and let's see how far we can get.
Male: (inaudible) motions?
Mayor Holman: Questions and comments. Three-minute rounds. Let's see
if we can get through this quickly. Council Members, lights. We're done
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with questions and comments. No one wants to go first. Council Member
Burt.
Council Member Burt: Not because I wanted to go first. First, I want to
thank Staff for putting at our places in the last few minutes the findings and
the Context Based Design Criteria. That's what we really need most of all to
be focusing on, whether a project, any project, meets these criteria. The
additional requests that the Council had for more review and study were in
response to certain concerns that were articulated about basically the ability
of the project to meet those criteria at our last Council meeting. My first
real question I guess I'll ask of Staff. I need to ask you to be as succinct as
possible because we're limited in time. We had concerns about University
Avenue and Kipling. The project as the changes have been made have
responded to those concerns. I won't say that it makes those street faces
ideal in terms of how this project responds, but I think it's a significant response to those concerns as our Zoning Code is currently written around
them. What appears to be the case is that we have now created greater
problems in terms of how this project interacts with the alleyway. We still
have an entire wall that appears to be a solid wall—I'll call it the west, but
it's probably the southwest side of the building—that is clearly visible from
throughout University looking that way, because the buildings next door, I
think, one's even one-story right next door. Has Staff looked at solving one
problem and creating another by these design changes? I really didn't see
that addressed in a significant way in the Staff Report. I saw that the ARB
kind of did some hand-wringing over it but, as Chair Gooyer stated, the
TDRs and the zoning prevent in this case removing a fourth floor. Whether
that's setting back or removing or whatever, I was confused by that
comment and that sentiment that seemed to pervade the ARB feeling that
they didn't like it but were constrained that they were actually obligated to
allow a design that they might have found had certain incompatibilities
because they thought zoning would not allow them to insist upon another
change. That's a combination of both—boy, I can't even get that far—a
question and a comment. Can you provide any insight on your thinking on
that?
Mr. Lait: Sure, and I'll try to be brief. I think there's a couple of different
points there. One, the Architectural Review Board certainly in its initial first
three reviews did feel constrained by the Zoning Code as what it sets forth,
the standards. I think perhaps that continued over into its re-review just a
few weeks ago or a couple of months ago. One thing that I thought was interesting is that when they looked at the project in the context of the
vicinity, I'll say, they found that when you looked at a broader area that it
achieved a compatibility. When you looked more narrowly at the structures
and mostly from Kipling, they were troubled by that. At least two of the
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members I recall expressing some concern about the building and its
compatibility. With respect to the alley and the wall that you would see on
the western elevation, those would be artifacts of the design as proposed.
There wasn't a lot of opportunity in the conversation with the applicant and
the ARB to develop that design scheme further. It was a one-time meeting.
The applicant's response to the Council is reflected in the plans that you
have before you. There wasn't really this give and take of design analysis.
Council Member Burt: In addressing and reducing the impacts on University
and Kipling, did the project exacerbate them on the alley?
Mr. Lait: Some of the mass of the building was pushed more toward the
corner. The overall setback and height remain the same from the alley. Let
me just glance over to my colleague if that's a correct statement. Yeah,
okay.
Mayor Holman: Vice Mayor Schmid. If any other Council Members have questions or comments ...
Vice Mayor Schmid: I'm concerned with the Council making decisions on
architectural review to issues of a special attention or context and
compatibility. A quick review of our Comp Plan. Our Comp Plan that was
approved in 1998 has a lot of terminology in there about consistency and
compatibility. I found three explicit mentions of the characterization of this.
Downtown buildings of two to three stories was the goal and setting of the
defining characteristic of the Downtown. Under the existing conditions
report we got of the Downtown, the FAR of that area is actually 1:1. It's
only through bonuses and incentives, discretion of the Council, that greater
density can arise. I think the issues brought up of massing and scale are
important to look at and to be compatible with our Comp Plan, that two to
three stories statement in the Land Use Element are very strong. Parking
has been identified by many people as an issue. This proposal states that
37 places are grandfathered. If you look at the Downtown Parking
Assessment District, you do find the 37 places. The assessments were made
to build parking garages that added about 700 parking spaces. The total
number of grandfathered assessments are 9,000. Parking is a real problem.
Where do they park? Traffic flow is another issue. We've had three recent traffic studies, and each one have come out by saying the cumulative model
shows on some of our key intersections grades of "F." I think it is
appropriate that we look clearly at the intersections surrounding the
Downtown and see what the current flow of traffic is and what we're facing.
I would note that the first building of Stanford Medical Center opens this week.
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Mayor Holman: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: Actually I'm not sure if he's still here. Earlier I
saw a member of our Historic Resources Board in the audience. I was
hoping he might weigh in if he had additional comments. I just wanted to
give him a chance to add any other color if he had any, but it looks like he's
... I see we do. We do have a member of the Historic Resources Board
here. I don't know if Board Member Bunnenberg would be interested in
sharing any additional comments about the project. Just wanted to offer
that opportunity, if that's allowable.
Mayor Holman: It's allowable, but given Staff's comments about the
purview of the HRB on this one ...
Beth Bunnenberg, Historic Resources Board Member: It's very, very hard to
hear you tonight. I'm not sure what—maybe my ears are stopped up from
flying. Can you repeat the question?
Council Member Wolbach: Yes. I just wanted to invite any members of the
HRB to offer any additional comments or thoughts about the project beyond
what we've already heard, if there's anything to add.
Ms. Bunnenberg: That's the building at the corner of University and Kipling?
Council Member Wolbach: Correct.
Ms. Bunnenberg: There were several comments. I found the historic
structures report defective because it did not pay attention to the fact that
this building adjoins a number of small but treasured Birge Clarke buildings.
There's the little one to the left of it which is either one story or one story
with a mezzanine. It has a very unique façade but is small. Across the
street you have that grouping of buildings that are near the Varsity Theatre.
Again, they are small buildings. The part of the thing that makes University
Avenue unique, our Downtown doesn't look like every other downtown
around. I felt and the rest of the Board also felt that the building was out of
scale to these adjoining buildings and also the historic buildings down
Kipling. It appears to me that that defective information went to the ARB as
well. Other questions?
Council Member Wolbach: I would actually just offer the same invitation to
Board Member Bernstein, if there's anything else to this conversation that you'd like to add that hasn't already been mentioned this evening during
Oral Comments. I would love to hear from your perspective as well. Thank
you very much, Board Member Bunnenberg.
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Martin Bernstein, Architectural Review Board Member: Thank you, Council
Member Wolbach and Mayor Holman and Council. I did not participate in
this project. Thank you.
Mr. Lait: Mayor, if I may? Just to bring to the Council's attention, we do
have the draft verbatim Minutes from the HRB meeting in Attachment F of
your report. There's also the Carey and Co. report on Attachment B which
details the analysis as it relates to the Birge Clark structures, the adjacent
buildings and so forth. We're prepared to answer any questions you may
have about that report.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Scharff.
Council Member Scharff: Thank you. A couple of things. I guess my first
concern is that the ARB didn't really have a ringing endorsement of this.
Maybe you could explain. I'll give all my questions, then you can maybe
answer them. I'm thinking there was a number of members of the ARB that said that the articulation wasn't as good as the adjacent properties, that the
project just didn't look as good as it should have, basically is the sense I
took from it. I'm sort of wondering on the design stuff why the ARB then
didn't say make these design changes, forget massing, forget that. There
seemed to be other stuff that would make this building better. That's the
way I read our Staff Report. I want you to tell me if that's true, if this could
be a better designed project. My concern in all of this is we want high
quality as a Council. I mean, I'm not on the Council as a design expert. It's
really hard for me to go through this project and say it's going to look great,
it's not going to look, it needs a little more articulation here. I don't really
feel that's my role. I have some concerns about that. I guess I also want to
know whether or not the revisions to the project made it tougher on
Michaela's Flower Shop, for example, and whether or not that'll have an
impact on her business. I was concerned that she came here and said to us
that she's worried that her business won't survive this. I mean, I thought
that was the important point. I assume the concern is that she won't be
able to park her trucks there. I wanted to sort of flesh that out a little bit
and understand what that is. I didn't feel that the circulation study in here
dealt with that issue in the Staff Report, if we could address that. I also wasn't quite clear why the letter from the Hohbach-Lewin Group, the
structural engineers, were in the packet, that talked about how this was on
the edge of seismic safety. I assume what they're saying is that they don't
want us to make changes to it because of the sheer wall components. I
wasn't sure what I was supposed to take out of that. I didn't want to take the wrong idea out of that either. Let's see. Those were my basic
questions, if you could just sort of give a brief response to those.
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Mr. Lait: Sure. Thank you. If I forget anything, please let me know. First
of all on the Board Members, there was only three Board Members there.
It's a five-member Board; there was an absence, there was a vacancy on
the Board.
Council Member Scharff: Was that no quorum if there was ...
Mr. Lait: No, it was a quorum; they had three of the five. There was a
vacancy that was unfilled and a recusal. We were already dealing with three
members, and that's all we were going to get. Recall that the Board, when
they reviewed the project, unanimously approved it, 4-0, when they
considered it earlier this year. What was different about this most recent
review is that the applicant submitted a project based on their interpretation
of how to address the Council's concerns. It was presented once to the
Architectural Review Board. They had that one opportunity to review it,
offer their comments and perspective, and then the matter was going to return to the City Council. What was missing in the most recent review was
what you get sometimes in other ARB reviews, a back-and-forth. You've
made some changes, great. They noticed some things that they thought
were positive, but they also noticed some things that they thought made the
design look a little more bland or less articulated. I think had it been
another meeting some of those things might have been worked out.
Council Member Scharff: Why didn't we follow—I'm not going to say our
usual process, because I know. Why wasn't that back-and-forth—why didn't
we have that process of back-and-forth and having a design that I can feel
that the ARB thinks it’s a good design? I may not always agree with the
ARB, but at least professionals have looked at it.
Mr. Lait: Right. I guess the way I'd answer that is the applicant has an
appeal before this Council and felt that the decision ultimately would be with
this Council and the findings would be evaluated by the City Council and, I
guess, didn't want to spend as much time in a back-and-forth effort that
may or may not yield to a better result in the end.
Mayor Holman: With that response, if you can hold the responses, we'll
come back to them.
Mr. Lait: Sure.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Scharff had some other questions. Thank
you for those. Council Member Berman.
Council Member Berman: I just wanted to ask Staff—different speakers
made comments about the shade study and other kind of third-party
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professional studies that were done. I don't know if Staff had any responses
to some of the concerns that were brought up.
Mr. Lait: Thank you for that question. The shade study, just to be clear,
Staff did not say that there would not be no impact, that there would not be
any shadows. We acknowledge that there would be shadows on Lane 30
and also the building across Lane 30 as well as on Kipling and the façade of
the building across the street on Kipling. What we said was that there would
not be a significant impact to public spaces, which is the criterion used to
assess the CEQA impact. Under that threshold, we're not seeing it rise to a
level of significance. There will be shadows. I think our Staff Report also
acknowledges the distinction between filtered light from trees as opposed to
a solid shadow from a building. I think we acknowledged all those points in
our Staff Report. There was nothing new about the public testimony that
would cause us to change our perspective.
Council Member Berman: Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: The shadow reports were a little bit difficult to see.
I mean, they're 2-D projections obviously. It's hard to see elevation
changes. I'm concerned about impacts on Kipling, particularly the first
Victorian which is actually a residence where people live. I mean, it looked
like the whole front of their house would be in shade for several months a
year. The yoga studio on the Staff Report on page 33 looks like will be
entirely in shade. I think this comes down to the context and compatibility
criteria. I did attend the most recent ARB and HRB meetings, and I looked
at all the Minutes for the several ARB meetings as well as our Council
meeting that we had several months ago. Shifting the mass back on the
property, I think it just makes the narrow Kipling Street actually worse, not
better. Again, when you look at this building in context on these images
from the various streets, it's all kind of one and 1 1/2-story buildings, and
then it jumps to four stories. The scale just seems really out of place. While
some revisions were made, I don't think it addresses the fundamental issues
that we brought up last time we talked about this. I heard multiple
comments in the ARB meeting that the building's just too big. I agree with our HRB that found it out of context. At the last ARB meeting, one of the
ARB Members said it just doesn't meet the standards set by other buildings
Downtown. I think we're starting to hear kind of quality concerns about the
building as well. I'm not relying on this, but I agree with one of the letters
from the public that stated our ordinance for seismic TDRs says rehabilitation of buildings. I don't think that would cover demolition. It's
also clear from the new traffic study that there's regular, illegal use of the
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alley. I think that just indicates that the alley is heavily used and critical for
businesses, and there's no other place for people to go, so they're illegally
parking. I am concerned about kind of the use of the alley. One other
comment I'd make is there's kind of this mantra that this building follows all
the rules. We heard that last time. Again, I don't think it does. It does
follow 18.18.100, and that's exactly what we're here to talk about. I think it
falls short on mass, scale and actually the quality of the building. I'll stop
there.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Kniss.
Council Member Kniss: Thank you. Jonathan, could we go back to the
beginning here, when you first introduced this item? Would you just repeat
your first couple of sentences? Do you remember where you were at that
point? You talked about whether or not the building was in compliance
essentially.
Mr. Lait: I was going off the cuff, so I don't have my written words with me.
Council Member Kniss: You can go off the cuff again.
Mr. Lait: Sure. I believe I was reflecting that it was a mixed use project of
approximately some 31,000 square feet, that it was a Code-compliant
project with height and floor area and parking. It is a Code-compliant
project, and that's based on policies that were in place at the time that the
project was being processed and deemed complete.
Council Member Kniss: I think it's important to repeat that. Thank you for
just doing that. I want to just push back on the TDRs for a minute. Why
don't you give us how you believe TDRs can be used? We've just heard from
Tom. We've heard from others. I have my own perception of how they're
used. I might mention that last year, almost in this same month, five of us
sitting up here approved TDRs for the museum so that they could be
transferred to the building at the corner of Cowper and University, which
made that building four stories high. It's interesting that just a year ago we
were willing to allow a building to be denser on University Avenue. Yet now
we're having a discussion about the TDRs. Why don't we just review that?
The building on University that's the new Thoits Building was demolished.
There was no question they are using the TDRs.
Mr. Lait: Just in a very conceptual level, the TDR program, the Code does
set forth a set of criteria where TDRs may be transferred to eligible receiver
sites. There's a whole list of what those are or are not. I think what part of
the conversation is with the subject project is the fact that one of the
buildings that is transferring development rights to this subject property was
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the result of a building that was demolished. We believe that there are
probably a handful of examples in the City where we have allowed the
demolition of buildings to occur and those TDRs to be transferred to other
sites. The reason we have had that policy in the past is that it was Staff's
perspective or understanding that the objective of the seismic upgrade
ordinance was to remove seismically vulnerable buildings. Carrying it down
and establishing it with a new building would achieve that goal. Now, we've
heard the last time this item was before the City Council in May that it didn't
appear that the entire Council shared that perspective. There hasn't been
another case like this one processed, and we're coming back to you next
week with a possible amendment to clarify that understanding.
Council Member Kniss: Currently, though, as you're viewing it, this
applicant qualifies for the TDRs as we are defining them currently?
Mr. Lait: I believe that this project did meet the obligations of the Code as they have been applied to other projects in the past.
Council Member Kniss: Good. Thanks.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Filseth. Questions and comments.
Council Member Filseth: Comments. (inaudible) more of a comment. I
hate subjective Codes, and this is why. A subjective Code is still a Code. To
me, the Code issue comes down, as I think Tom mentioned before, to the
issue of compatibility, particularly with respect to, in this case, scale,
massing and to some extent transitions. I know that the applicant has spent
a lot of time on this as has the ARB and the City. I can't look at this and say
it's compatible. Yeah, it varies a little bit by angle. If you look at this
project in the context of its surroundings, it's outside the envelope, at least
to me. If it's not compatible, then it doesn't meet Code. I think we have to
be really careful on compatibility issues, because once you approve one
compatibility issue, you've got sort of implications for the building next door
to that, for example. I hate subjective Codes, but subjective Codes are still
Codes. To my view, this doesn't meet Code.
Mayor Holman: Just a couple of things, and then I'm thinking Council
Member Burt and then I think Council Member Scharff's questions weren't all
answered. Just a couple of things. Whether this project—Staff will correct me if I'm wrong here. I just don't want us to go down some kind of side
path here. Whether this project is entitled TDRs and they've been granted
TDRs is not at question, because this project wouldn't have gotten this far if
the owner didn't already have accredited, delivered TDRs. Is that correct?
Okay. How the TDRs are applied is a wholly other matter. I just don't want us to go down the track of "should these have been issued, should these
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not." I just want to have us keep that clear. There's some things to
appreciate here, and still a good amount of concern which I think you're
hearing from my colleagues. It is appreciated that there's been a scale
down to the adjacent building next door on University Avenue. That does
transition better. What hasn't changed, though, is the bulkiness of the
elements. If you look at the streetscape whether it's on University, both
sides of University or along Kipling, the elements of the buildings are much
more refined. This building is—I mean this not in a crude manner. The
elements of this building are rather crude, if you will. They are much larger
than the refined, delicate nature of most of the elements on the adjacent
buildings. One of the context-based criteria, if I can find it, is to not
interrupt those streetscape pattern. I'm not going to find it right this
second; I was reading it earlier. Those for me are really the issues. It's
exacerbated on the Kipling side because of the mass being shifted back. I will stop with those comments. Hopefully helping about the TDRs. Council
Member Burt, back to you. You had additional questions, I believe.
Council Member Burt: First, a quick comment following up on yours on
TDRs. I think this is worth making sure that everybody, the Council and the
public, understands this properly. We have a TDR program. The TDR
program does not guarantee that an applicant can then max out the use of
whatever TDRs they buy. They still have to meet the findings of
architectural review, the other height and floor area requirements of the
zone, and the context-based criteria. We've had this misconception—
someone even characterized, one of the papers, saying it meets Code. We
had Stephen Levy who said the same thing; it meets Code. I think pretty
clearly what they're referring to is the height and floor area portion of the
Code. I would say it meets a fraction of the Code in that regard. The rest
become these more subjective but clearly Code-based requirements. That's
the discussion that we are essentially having. There wasn't dispute
previously whether it was meeting in any substantial way the height Code
requirement or the floor area requirement. The first time we heard it and
now, it's about these other two. We received those summaries at our
places, and that's what we ought to be focusing on. I still have significant concerns over meeting a number of the findings. Let me ask one quick
question of Staff. Finding D4 on architectural review is about a unified
design character or historical character in areas that have that. Whether or
not we determine that Kipling has a defined historic character, because
some of those buildings have been modified to significant degrees, I didn't hear an adequate addressing of whether that group of buildings on that
street still constitutes essentially a unified design character, which doesn't
mean that this building would have to mimic that. Our Code is clear on that.
We are not asking for a new building to imitate what is there. We're asking
for it to be compatible with that. Compatible doesn't mean starkly
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contrasting either. It doesn't mean mimic; it doesn't mean starkly
contrasting. Compatibility is a nuanced but important element. Jonathan,
can you tell me to what degree we looked at whether Kipling has some form
of unity in its design?
Mr. Lait: For that answer, I'm looking to the Carey and Co. report from
August 14. Toward the end of the document on packet page 318, it talks
about Kipling Street as a street that imparts character as described in the
Downtown Urban Design Plan, but that it does not appear to constitute a
potential historic district, which is not the level that you're trying to achieve.
It does note that the parking structure at Lytton and Kipling was very
disruptive to the character of Kipling, and that a lot of other additions to
some of the buildings out there have lessened it. The specific question of
does—I would say that Kipling does have some historic elements because it's
got the buildings that are there and it's got the single-story type of residential structures. The historic report talks about it having character,
and that's as far as it goes to answering that question.
Council Member Burt: I guess my interpretation of that is that it really
didn't address this particular part of the findings. I'll add that, if you look at
essentially the preamble sentence under "D," it's a little bit convoluted in its
language. It says neither the Director nor the City Council on appeal shall
grant architectural review approval unless it is found that, and then it lists all
of what is below. That means that legally per our Code, we have to make a
determination that a project has complied with everything below there on
the findings. Correct?
Mr. Lait: Yes.
Council Member Burt: Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Scharff. If any other Council Members
have questions or comments, this is the time to put your light on. Council
Member Scharff.
Council Member Scharff: I had a bunch of other questions too. Do you
remember what they were?
Mr. Lait: There was two that I recall.
Council Member Scharff: No, three.
Mr. Lait: One had to do with the flower shop and the concerns expressed. I
think the question was is there anything about the redesigned project that
would cause that to be a worsened condition. No, that would not be the
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case. The study of the alley found that there is not a huge volume of traffic
that can be accommodated and can still continue to be accommodated with
the project. The other question was a report, I think, submitted by the
applicant about the seismic or the structural aspects of it. I think that was
simply a letter stating that the way that the building was designed, there
wasn't the ability to make further refinements to the building without having
to wholly redesign the project from a different structural mindset.
Council Member Scharff: Getting back to the alley then, just so I
understand. The thought is that will the cars come down the alley to park in
the parking garage. They will, right?
Mr. Lait: Yes.
Council Member Scharff: That's the idea. The concern right now is that
some of the merchants like Michaela's Flower Shop have their flowers on the
side of the alley there. They unload stuff. That's the way it's traditionally been. Have we looked at whether or not that's a concern that's going to
make it difficult for the flower shop to conduct business?
Mr. Lait: The report did not find that there would be any impact to that.
There was one recommendation that perhaps the loading zone be moved
from one side of the alley to the other side. That's something that our
Transportation Staff will be looking at to see, regardless of this project, if
that even just makes sense operationally.
Council Member Scharff: I guess I also wanted to ask on the findings, since
we're talking about the findings. The Planning Staff embodied by the
Director approve all of these findings. Do you still believe that the revised
project meets all of these findings?
Mr. Lait: We did support the project as it was first submitted to the Council
in May. I think there are elements of the revised project that respond to the
Council's comments. Staff has identified a couple of items that were
reflected by the ARB such as the reduced modulation and some of the
elements making it a little bit more bland.
Council Member Scharff: My question is much more—Council Member Burt,
for instance, mentioned Item Number 4. I guess I assume that Staff is
supporting that. Staff disagrees with that or does Staff not disagree?
Mr. Lait: I'm going to turn to our original finding.
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Council Member Scharff: When Staff went through this, did it look at each
one of these then and comes up with a conclusion. Take Number 4, for
instance. What was Staff's rationale then on that issue?
Mr. Lait: Reading from the approval findings letter, Staff had originally
found that the finding could be made because it was consistent with the
applicable Downtown Urban Design Guidelines, that the project reinforced
University Avenue as the retail core of Downtown Palo Alto, maintaining the
ground-floor retail and preserving the general pattern of storefronts,
continuing the retail vitality onto Kipling Street were some of the items that
were identified under that finding.
Council Member Scharff: Thanks. I think I just wanted to make a general
comment. I do have some concerns with this building. My concerns are
that the ARB hasn't really come forward and said that they had an
opportunity to look at the redesign and be comfortable with it. That's probably my primary concern with this. I have less concern, frankly, on
scale and mass. I mean, I look at University Avenue, I look at the four-story
building across the street, I look at the President's Hotel, and I don't really
have concerns with the height and the mass on University. I do have some
concerns with the height and mass on Kipling. I think that is probably a
more realistic concern. I have some concerns with the use of the alleyway,
because I'm not sure we've really looked at that issue with the full. I guess
one options, I assume, is to send it back to the ARB to address those specific
concerns and give direction to have a back-and-forth and be able to give a
recommendation that they like the building, that they're happy with the
design. I guess I wanted to ask if that's one of the options we have tonight.
Ms. Silver: Yes, you could certainly do that. The applicant would have to
agree to that process, however.
Council Member Scharff: Why does the applicant have to agree to the
process?
Ms. Silver: I think what happened in the past is that the ARB wanted to
engage in that back-and-forth and the applicant didn't engage. If you want
the process to be productive, there has to be a willing party on the other
side.
Council Member Scharff: I understand the willing party but, I mean, why
would I have to deny the project? I think on the whole it's a good project. I
just think it needs some massaging. If I didn't want to deny the project,
which I don't want to do—I mean, my colleagues may feel differently—I
want to send it back to the ARB to deal with particular issues. Maybe through that process the building becomes smaller, maybe it doesn't. I
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mean, from a design criteria, maybe we get there. If the applicant didn't
want to do that and said, "No, I just want to be denied," for instance, why
would we have to do that? Why wouldn't we say go to the ARB, and if they
don't engage, they never come back to Council, they never finish the
process, the project goes nowhere. I don't understand why the applicant
would have to engage. They don't; they could just have their project in
limbo forever if they don't engage. Why would we have to deny it? Why
couldn't I just send it back to the ARB?
Ms. Silver: That would be fine too. I think that there's then an expectation
that if the applicant doesn't engage, then it would not come back to the
Council.
Council Member Scharff: Right, but the project's not denied. It just
becomes in limbo or whatever happens to projects where the applicant
doesn't complete a process.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Berman. We're still at questions and
comments, final questions and comments.
Council Member Berman: Yep, yep. I've been spending some time on
Google maps on the Kipling side and across the street at the old Apple
building. I probably should have emailed you this question over the
weekend. Do you have any idea—it seems like it's approximately—I don't
know—15, 18 feet tall at the corner, but then there's an addition down
Kipling that seems to add a good 8 or 10 feet. Do you guys have any idea
what the height is of what looks like the majority of that building or half of
that building along Kipling, across the street from where this project would
be?
Mr. Lait: We'll look. Not off the top of our heads. It's a mechanical, I
believe a mechanical enclosure.
Council Member Berman: Yeah. I mean, it's just a flat wall, pretty low. It
looks like an aluminum kind of enclosure with no (inaudible).
Mr. Lait: I don't have any detail on that.
Council Member Berman: On the project site on Kipling, the—I mean, it's
two stories, and then the third story steps back a bit. Correct? On the
Kipling side.
Mr. Lait: On the subject property?
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Council Member Berman: No, no, no, on the—yeah, on the subject
property, on 429 University. It's two stories up pretty much along the
street, and then the third story steps back. Could you remind me how far
the setback is there? Do you guys have any—I don't know if the applicant
happens to know or the architect knows off the top of their head. As Council
Member Scharff was mentioning earlier, I'm not an architect. Quickly
deciphering all this stuff isn't my forte.
Mr. Lait: You're talking about the proposed project?
Council Member Berman: The proposed project.
MR. Lait: I think it's 4 feet; it's roughly 4 or 4 1/2 feet.
Council Member Berman: It steps back 4 to 4 1/2 feet?
Mr. Lait: Yeah.
Council Member Berman: With the Mayor's permission, I think the applicant
has some clarification.
Mayor Holman: Yes.
Council Member Berman: This is just to the setback of the third floor on
Kipling. Thank you.
Elizabeth Wong, Applicant: The setback on Kipling is 7 feet 9 inches.
Council Member Berman: 7 feet 9 inches.
Ms. Wong: The Apple building is 36 1/2 feet tall.
Council Member Berman: It's 36 1/2 feet.
Ms. Wong: In the back.
Council Member Berman: With the mechanical addition in the back which is
about for half of that ...
Ms. Wong: The Apple building.
Council Member Berman: Yes, the Apple building. Which is about half of the
span of that Apple building on Kipling. Is that about right? That's what it
seems like on Google maps. Thank you. I disagree with—I'm curious I
guess with Staff kind of suggesting that the applicant wasn't playing ball
with the ARB. We had somewhere in all this paper comparisons of the initial
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project, the first iteration, the second iteration, the third iteration. There
seems to have been a lot of changes that have been made. I might agree
with Council Member Scharff that maybe the ARB needs to weigh in on this,
but it seems like the applicant has made a lot of changes to the project.
Right?
Mr. Lait: Yeah. I would say that's for the formal ARB application. On
appeal, now ...
Council Member Berman: Got it. Got it. I'll save comments for that until
later. Thanks.
Mayor Holman: Seeing that there aren't any other questions and comments,
everyone's got their questions and comments addressed, then we will go to
motions. Council Member Scharff, you're quick.
Council Member Scharff: I'd like to move that we refer this project back to
the ARB to address the concerns that have been raised by Council during the question and comment period, and that the ARB have a back-and-forth,
several meetings, and takes a vote on whether or not to recommend it to
Council.
Council Member Berman: Second.
Mayor Holman: Second by Council Member Berman.
MOTION: Council Member Scharff moved, seconded by Council Member
Berman to:
A. Refer this project back to Architectural Review Board (ARB) to address
concerns raised by the City Council; and
B. Direct the ARB to vote whether to recommend project approval to the
City Council.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Scharff, do you care to speak to your
motion?
Council Member Scharff: Yes, I do. I'm not doing this to delay the project.
I want to make that clear to the applicant. This was the most tepid
endorsement I've seen from the ARB. I didn't feel comfortable that we have
a good endorsement. I think a number of Council Members have raised
concerns about compatibility and have raised concerns about the project. I
think you need to look at the project and address the concerns raised by Council Members and get the ARB endorsement. I think that's really the
path forward on this. I think that would be the appropriate approach.
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Mayor Holman: Council Member Berman, speak to your second.
Council Member Berman: Thank you. I think Council Member Scharff's
absolutely right. One of the reasons I supported the project initially was
because of the ARB support by a larger number of ARB Members than this
time when only three members were present at the meeting where this was
discussed. I could understand the applicant's frustration if we're saying
there's too much massing and it's too imposing on University, so they
pushed that back. Now, we're saying there's too much massing on the
backend. If Council Members are saying you need to take a floor off, I'd
encourage them to actually be explicit and do that. I'm not saying I'd agree
with that, but if that's their opinion, I think we owe it to the applicant to be a
little bit more clear in our instruction to her, so that she can get her project
completed. This is a really tricky corner, because Kipling does have a
smaller scale off of the corner. I mean, if you look at the Apple building that's right across the street from this project, it's far from a cute, two-story
home. This is right across the street from this project. It really is this kind
of interesting juxtaposition between University, which is an area where we
want to incentivize density—that's the purpose of University—and Kipling,
and Kipling in between University and Lytton. It's something that we need
to try to accomplish as carefully as possible. I think this could use—I think
this project would benefit a lot from a couple of rounds at ARB. I'd
encourage the ARB to be cognizant of the fact that right across the street on
Kipling from this property is something that's 36 feet tall and kind of a
straight wall. I think the applicant did a pretty good job of trying to step
back those third and fourth floors. I have serious concerns that if we
eliminate the fourth floor, all we're doing is eliminating housing. I'm an
unabashed supporter of the fact that I think we need more housing
especially in transit-oriented areas including Downtown. I think we need to
be very cognizant about what we lose depending on what our instructions
are to the applicant. I think this project's come a long way from the initial
proposals. It is tough, and I think this has taken quite a while to complete.
I think a couple of rounds at ARB hopefully will lead to a project that we can
all support.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Burt.
Council Member Burt: If we're going to send this back to ARB, I think it
needs to be in a more focused way so that it will be a more productive
outcome. I'm real concerned that we aren't doing too much more than we
did last time, which is saying we have some concerns. We've expressed them as individuals, what they are. We hope that the applicant will have
listened to the things we meant for them to listen to, and that they will then
respond to those things. I want to offer some amendments that give greater
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clarity to some of our concerns. I would recommend that we request that
the ARB reconsider the project in its entirety as it complies with context and
architectural review findings.
Council Member Scharff: That's fine.
Council Member Burt: I want to add some specific ones. Specifically ...
Mayor Holman: Council Member Berman, is that okay with you?
Council Member Berman: Yes.
Council Member Burt: Specifically, these first two are under Code Section
18.76.020—that's the architectural review—Section (d) and (d)(4) and
(d)(12). When I speak to this, I'll just briefly say what those (crosstalk).
Council Member Scharff: I'm good with both of those.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Berman?
Council Member Berman: Let me just read (d)(12) real quick.
Council Member Burt: Then ...
Mayor Holman: Just wait for a second. Council Member Berman wants to ...
Council Member Burt: Let me lay the rest out while he's reading it.
Council Member Berman: I'm okay with it.
Mayor Holman: Good.
Council Member Burt: Section 18.18.110, which is the Context Based
Design Criteria, and specifically—let's get this right—Section (1)(B) which
has to do with appropriate transitions. You don't have to put this language
in there. We'll say (1)(B).
Council Member Berman: That's (a)(1)(B).
Mayor Holman: (a)(1)(B), is that your intention?
Council Member Burt: Yes.
Mayor Holman: (a)(1)(B), Council Member Scharff?
Council Member Scharff: I'm just taking a look at it. Yeah, that's fine.
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Council Member Berman: Yep.
Council Member Burt: Then (a)(2)(B)(i) and (iii).
Mayor Holman: Council Member Scharff?
Council Member Scharff: (a)(2), numerals what?
Council Member Burt: (i) and (iii).
Council Member Berman: (a)(2)(B).
Council Member Burt: (a)(2)(B).
Mayor Holman: (a)(2)(B).
Council Member Berman: (i) and (iii).
Mayor Holman: (i) and (iii).
Council Member Burt: That's compatibility goals.
Council Member Scharff: Yeah, that's fine.
Council Member Berman: Yep.
Council Member Burt: Then I have one other that I want them to consider. These are not stipulative; these are focuses, foci. I want to make sure I get
this right or maybe Staff can help. It's on the third page of the context-
based design, at the bottom. It's a "B," and it's under a Section 2 but ...
Council Member Scharff: Sorry. Which page are you on?
Council Member Burt: The third page of the context ...
Council Member Scharff: Right, that's page 3.
Council Member Burt: At the bottom. It talks kind of the street face facades
and eaves and awnings and overhangs and porches. That section as well.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Scharff?
Council Member Scharff: I'm just trying to follow this. Maybe I'm on the
wrong—it's page 3. It looks like this?
Council Member Berman: Is it the one below Figure 2.1?
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Mayor Holman: It's the final ...
Council Member Scharff: The one below Figure 2.1.
Mayor Holman: It's the final "B" on that page.
Council Member Scharff: Yeah, that's fine.
Council Member Burt: Thank you.
Mayor Holman: And Berman? Okay.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion, “request that the ARB
reconsider the project in its entirety as it complies with Context and
Architectural Review Findings, specifically Municipal Code Sections:
A. 18.76.020 Architectural Review (d)(4); and
B. 18.76.020 Architectural Review (d)(12); and
C. 18.18.110 Context Based Design Criteria (a)(1)(B); and
D. 18.18.110 Context Based Design Criteria (a)(2)(B)(i); and
E. 18.18.110 Context Based Design Criteria (a)(2)(B)(iii); and
F. 18.18.110 Context Based Design Criteria (b)(2)(B).”
Mayor Holman: I think—Council Member Kniss.
Council Member Kniss: A couple of things. I will support the motion. I
think we're getting pretty complicated, though, and here is the reason. We
are between a rock and a hard place on compatibility. Compatibility is very
difficult to define. Eric mentioned it earlier; we are subjective or we're
objective. We're becoming very subjective. My request on this would be—
Greg, if you're okay with this—I want a full ARB, at least four members to be
there. If we have another situation where only three were there, there's not
a quorum. I don't think we end up with anything more worthwhile than
what we've gotten tonight. I don't know how soon that will happen, that
this will be a full complement. I have no idea. That would be my request, it
doesn't go back to the ARB without having a quorum.
Council Member Scharff: I did have a question. Why did ...
Council Member Kniss: They said there were three, and it wasn't a quorum.
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Council Member Scharff: Why did the fifth ARB Member recuse themselves?
Mayor Holman: Council Members, I think we're looking for an answer here
from Staff. Jonathan, do you have an answer?
James Keene, City Manager: They're discussing it right now.
Mr. Lait: There's five Board Members. One of them recused herself from
the last proceeding. We would suspect that she would recuse herself again
for comments previously made on the project.
Council Member Scharff: Why did she recuse herself?
Mr. Lait: For comments that were previously made, before she was a Board
Member, about the project, comment letters.
Council Member Kniss: How many voted?
Mr. Lait: When the project was approved, there were four members.
Council Member Kniss: First time.
Mr. Lait: When the project went back more recently, only three members participated. There was a vacancy, and then the recusal. There is a new
member now that's been appointed to the Board. I believe, I'm not certain
about this, that he may have an office in one of the buildings that's
scheduled to be demolished. I don't know what the tenancy is of that, if it's
a short-term or a term-long or what the implications would be.
Molly Stump, City Attorney: Madam Mayor, we can ...
Council Member Scharff: Liz, I'm going to have to say no, because we may
not be able to do this.
Council Member Berman: It's impossible.
Council Member Kniss: We may never have an ARB that can fully vote.
Council Member Berman: It's a quorum. It's (crosstalk).
Mayor Holman: I think City Attorney would like ...
Ms. Stump: The rules are detailed and complex. We'll take a close look at
them and we will, as we always do, endeavor to have participation from
every member who's able to participate. That may be three. We may be
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able to get a fourth, but we don't have all the facts. We're not able to give
you detailed advice on that today.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Council Member Wolbach. Liz, were you
through?
Council Member Kniss: Yes, thank you.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: I'd like to be clear about—this is maybe a
question for Staff but also for the maker of the motion and the seconder.
What's the process after this, when this comes back to us after it's been to
ARB? Give me a couple of like if they say "A," here's what we do; if it's "B,"
here's what we do. Are we going to be at a final point of making a decision
when it comes back to us? For our sake, for the applicant, for the
appellants, for everybody, I'd like to have a clear sense of what the path
forward is post-this. If either Staff or the maker of the motion could really articulate does this help us establish a light at the end of the tunnel for
resolution of this project, again for us, for the applicant and for the
appellants.
Council Member Scharff: Are you asking (inaudible)?
Council Member Wolbach: Yes.
Council Member Scharff: I absolutely believe so. I absolutely believe the
process will hopefully create a project that Council can support.
Mayor Holman: Can I ask a clarifying question, though, of Staff? Pardon me
for interjecting here. When this project went back to the ARB this time, it
came back to the Council on a continued appeal. A clarification please. This
goes back to the ARB for whatever, one, two, whatever hearings. Is the
appeal considered to be continuing or would there have to be a new appeal
filed or would the appellant have to comment? What is that piece? Could
that piece be clarified please?
Ms. Silver: My understanding of the motion is that the appeal would still be
pending, and that the direction of the Council is to go back to the ARB and
have a real give-and-take. Then the ARB will make a recommendation and
the item will come back to the Council, and you will have the same three
options that you had in the original appeal. Mr. Lait just mentioned that he thinks it might be helpful for the Council to perhaps ask the applicant
whether they are willing to engage in this process, so that you can assess
whether this process would be productive. Of course, it's up to the Council.
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Mayor Holman: Thank you for that lead. If the Council's indulgence, shall
we ask the applicant ...
Council Member Scharff: I think applicant should move forward with our
direction as opposed to asking the applicant.
Mayor Holman: Asking what their preference is?
Council Member Scharff: Yes. I don't really see this as about what the
applicant wants. I see this as about moving forward and procedures that
produce the best project.
Male: (inaudible)
Mayor Holman: The applicant does have the option of withdrawing their
project. This is true.
Council Member Scharff: They can always withdraw it. I mean, they don't
have to. They could just let it go in limbo and withdraw it and let it die.
Mayor Holman: This is very true. The applicant does have options. Council Member Wolbach, did you have your questions completed?
Council Member Wolbach: No. And actually my comments on the motion.
Just following up on this question. Just an encouragement to my colleagues
that when this does come back and as we're studying what comes back and
we're finishing crafting and voting on this motion, I hope that we're
preparing ourselves to make some final determinations, just so that we can
see a light at the end of the tunnel for everybody involved.
Mayor Holman: Vice Mayor Schmid.
Vice Mayor Schmid: I'd like to add one element to "C," that the findings
specifically include 18.76.020(d)(1).
Council Member Scharff: Could you repeat that, Greg?
Vice Mayor Schmid: (d)(1). The design is consistent and compatible with
applicable Elements of the Palo Alto Comprehensive Plan.
Council Member Scharff: Sure.
Council Member Berman: Sure.
Mayor Holman: That's accepted.
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INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion, “18.76.020 Architectural
Review (d)(1).”
Mayor Holman: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: I just wanted to say that I think we were pretty
clear the last time the applicant was here. If you do resubmit, please listen
to what we're saying. I think we're trying to give you some feedback in
terms of scale and compatibility. I think what we're stuck in right now is
kind of very small revisions to find out exactly where the line is. In my
experience, projects go to the ARB. If they go too many times, they
grudgingly get approved. The ARB may have denied a project; I don't know
of one that they've denied. I think ultimately it'll come back to us, and
we're going to have to make a decision. I'd encourage you to listen and
engage with the ARB. I'll support this motion and the process to continue.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Burt, you had something additional?
Council Member Burt: Yes, just as a follow-on to that. We want to make
sure that the ARB also understands, which I think has been pretty clear
tonight, that we think that the ARB's authority goes beyond saying pretty
please. They are empowered and responsible for making findings that a
project is compliant per our Code. If a project isn't compliant, then they
should not recommend approval to us. It's not a question of "we tried, and
look we improved it here, here and here and, therefore, implicitly that
equates to compliance." It doesn't. We want to make sure the ARB
understands that.
Mayor Holman: I have just a couple of things. I think for us to be
consistent with other things that we've added to this motion—thank you for
all the additions—I think we have to add 18.76.020(d)(2). That is the
design is compatible with the immediate environment of the site. So much
of the other things that we're referencing actually point back to that one. If
the maker and seconder would approve that.
Council Member Scharff: That's fine.
Mayor Holman: And seconder?
Council Member Berman: Yep.
Mayor Holman: For the Clerk, that is (d)(2) under findings.
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INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion, “18.76.020 Architectural
Review (d)(2).”
Mayor Holman: One other one which is under 18.18.110. It is (a)(2)(B)(ii),
the rhythmic pattern of the street established by the general width of
buildings and the spacing between them. The reason that one's important is
because it's not to say this will be different buildings, but it's that it will have
the appearance of different buildings. Whereas, now it has the appearance
of one large mass. That's part of the challenge, I think, that this project
faces. Council Member Scharff?
Council Member Scharff: (inaudible)
Mayor Holman: Council Member Berman?
Council Member Berman: Yep.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Thank you to the Clerk.
INCORPORATED INTO THE MOTION WITH THE CONSENT OF THE
MAKER AND SECONDER to add to the Motion, “18.18.110 Context Based
Design Criteria (a)(2)(B)(ii).”
Mayor Holman: Just a couple of comments on this. I appreciate the efforts
that everyone has made on this. There are a couple of, or maybe a few,
misperceptions or apprehensions on the part of applicant, ARB, perhaps
Staff, and public for that matter too. A lot of the comments have been that
this project satisfies Code. If a project could satisfy Code and be a good
project by satisfying FAR, height and setbacks, we wouldn't need an ARB.
That's why we have the Context Based Design Criteria and the ARB findings.
Those are in our Code as well. To say it's Code-compliant because it
satisfies the basic numerical aspects of Code is just not a complete look at
the Code. Also, I'd suggest that—I mean, Council Member Burt alluded to
this too. We've had this conversation before with ARB that sometimes we're
poking around the edges. This is a project that stands to be a really good
project, given its location, but we can't be poking around the edges of this
design and expect it to be something that's really a wonderful project. We
can't do that. We need to really take a look at this and apply the findings
and the criteria for this to be a good and acceptable project. Lastly, I guess I would say the member of the public mentioned some drawings that
actually weren't here. That is a drawing looking at the project coming down
Kipling toward University. I think that would be a very helpful drawing to
have for everyone to consider. I do have one other. I know that all of the
Boards and Commissions and, for that matter, pretty much the Council
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volunteer their time and effort. I think that time and effort can be respected
even if at times we disagree. I would suggest that Staff in respecting the
ARB doesn't necessarily have to always agree with the ARB, especially in a
project like this that comes to the Council. You can bring dual
recommendations. There's a project later that Staff does, a Planning
Commission recommendation and a Staff recommendation. I personally find
that to be helpful and more illuminating of the issues. With that, I see no
other lights. If I tried to repeat this motion, it would be a listing of a lot of
numbers and Code, so I think I won't do that. Basically, the motion is to
refer this project back to the Architectural Review Board to address concerns
raised by the City Council, and those are listed in the Code enumerations,
and that the ARB is to vote whether to recommend project approval to the
City Council, and request that the ARB reconsider the project in its entirety
as it complies with the context and architectural findings, and then the list of findings that are enumerated there. Vote on the board please. That motion
passes unanimously. Thank you, colleagues and Staff, applicant, appellant
and members of the public.
MOTION AS AMENDED PASSED: 9-0
Study Session
4. Joint Study Session of the City Council and Planning and
Transportation Commission.
Mayor Holman: With that then, we move to our joint Study Session with the
Planning and Transportation Commission. It might take us a couple of
minutes here to rearrange the chairs here on the deck, so to speak. Why
don't we take just a couple minute break here while we get the chairs set up
and such. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: I think we are all here and at our places. We wanted to
spend the first ten minutes giving the Chair and perhaps Chair and Vice
Chair an opportunity to address the PTC annual report to Council. We will,
just because we do have a large agenda in front of us, limit that to ten
minutes. Chair Tanaka, welcome.
Greg Tanaka, Planning and Transportation Commission Chair: Thank you,
Mayor. I think all the Council Members have the report. Rather than diving into details, because we only have about ten minutes, what I want to do is I
want to talk a little bit about the process, how this report was created. Also
I'll give some of my ten minutes to my fellow Commissioners should they
want to speak about any of the sections that they wrote. The way we did
this report was essentially we kind of divvied it up into certain sections. We kind of followed the format of previous years. Each Commissioner wrote a
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section. We talked about it as a team. Throughout the year, each
Commissioner tried to be diligent. They thoroughly were trying to vet
issues, make sure that things were thoroughly analyzed, and the Council and
community were not blindsided. That kind of spirit was also captured in this
report. I know later on we're going to talk a little bit more about how does
the PTC and Council efficiently work together. But before I open up to the
rest of my Commission Members, what I want to do is I think the Mayor just
spoke last night about how the Commission, the Board, even the Council
themselves are volunteers. I definitely want to thank my fellow Commission
Members in terms of the time that they spent away from families, evaluating
these issues, trying to do their best and diligently making sure that we had
fully analyzed issues. Beyond that, I'm actually quite impressed with my
fellow Commission Members in terms of their caliber and their backgrounds.
A lot of these are leaders in the tech community. I think the Council and Staff did a great job in recruiting them. At this point, I want to open it up to
my fellow Commission Members, should there be any comments, don't feel
obligated, to any of the sections that you guys created.
Mayor Holman: Are there any Commissioners who want to speak to the
annual report? Commissioner Fine, Vice Chair Fine.
Adrian Fine, Planning and Transportation Commission Vice Chair: I just
want to thank you, Mayor and Council Members, for this opportunity. We all
work really hard on the Commission to do the best service for the City and
for you as Council. We do serve at your pleasure. To that end, we want to
do the best job that we can. In the coming year, I think we would really
appreciate any opportunity or feedback that you have in how we could
improve our process. Specifically, at least in my opinion, I think we could
always use instruction and guidance on specific operations that we can use
as a Commission to make better Minutes, to make better recommendations,
and to serve the Council and City better. Finally, I just want to echo Chair
Tanaka's sentiment that we all are volunteers. I also really appreciate
serving with all my fellow Commissioners. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Seeing no other hands, I think we'll get in then to the meat
of this evening's joint Study Session. I think we've all read and seen and experienced some comments that have been made, and maybe some
interactions between Council Members and Commissioners also about
clarification of process, expectations, what the purview is of the Commission
and what the role is of the Commission and the way it can best be
supportive of the community and how it can be the best vetting arm for the City Council. I think that is what we'll spend our time on this evening. As
far as how we conduct this, I think this is an opportunity to be very open in
our dialog and certainly talk about process and procedure. If there are
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specific examples that are requested, that's fine. Let's do keep this on the
highest level of interpersonal relations and interactions. Hopefully we will all
learn and grow from this process. Who would care to start? Council
Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: First, I just wanted to say thank you to all the
Commission Members for lots of hard work, for not a lot of compensation
and unfortunately not always a lot of gratitude for the work that you do. I
certainly appreciate it. I know a lot of my colleagues and members of the
public do as well. Despite disagreements about process or about conclusions
or about particular policies or even particular projects, there's a deep
appreciation. I want to make sure that's directly noticed. I've had a couple
of conversations recently with a former Planning Commissioner from the
1990s who then later served on Council and served as Mayor. He shared
with me an interesting bit of context, which I think is useful for all of us to consider. He said there were definitely times where something went from
the Planning Commission to the Council and Council sent it back to the
Planning Commission in the '90s, and said, "We want you on the Planning
Commission to take another look at this. We think you got it wrong
essentially. We want to make sure you give it another look." There were at
least a couple of times when Planning Commission sent it back to Council
and said, "We've thought about it. We stand by our original position. We
think we made the right call. We're just an advisory body. We don't set the
policy." I think that's an important, again, context to remember. I don't
always agree with everything that the Planning Commission decides, and
certainly there's disagreement among Planning Commissioners, and there's
often disagreement among Council Members about large-scale issues and
small-scale issues. I certainly enjoy when people, as I've said before, burst
my ideological bubble or my cognitive bubble, when they provide advice that
I hadn't considered previously. This really goes back to the question of
what's the purpose of having an advisory body. I don't think that we're just
looking for a body that says yes all the time. If we just wanted to hear
people repeat what we wanted to hear, we could just play back the
recordings of our Council meetings and listen to ourselves. I think it's important that all of our Boards and Commissions, all of our advisory bodies
feel empowered to continue to do their best work, to make their best
reasoned judgments and offer their best opinions and advice to the Council,
to be clear about their reasoning and to let that stand and then also
understand that the Council may or may not agree. It's important for us on the Council and the community to recognize that that's the role of a good
adviser. It's to sometimes tell you what you don't want to hear. It's
important for the advisers to know that sometimes the advice won't be
taken, but it's still appreciated.
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Mayor Holman: I don't see any other—Vice Mayor Schmid.
Vice Mayor Schmid: I want to start by saying I'm a big fan of the PTC. I
think the verbatim Minutes are must reading before every Council that has
them. I find them enlightening and not looking for answers, but ideas,
challenges to Staff, things that might be missing, questions I might have.
Having gone through the process, you make it much easier for a Council
Member to say, "Three of my four questions have been asked. Here's the
responses." Either I can go deeper in it or I can concentrate on the one that
wasn't there. It's a very valuable input and always has been through my
seven years on the Council. There is, though, one aspect that I would note
that is important. When you look at the verbatim Minutes, you end up with
a result. The result might be 6-0 with one abstention. As a matter of fact,
that's what we have tonight when we get to our single-story overlay. The
flow of the meeting was very interesting. It started out by two or three people saying, "This is easy. This is very straightforward. What could we
disagree with?" As the conversation went on, ideas came up that maybe
there are some things we should be looking at. The result was just a
statement that the vote on the motion to exclude Amarillo and Greer was 6-
0 with one abstention. There was no minority opinion stated. There was no
clear majority opinion except the fact that some of those people with two
stories had a vote and they shouldn't have, so let's exclude them. You take
out a voter for some reason. Then you said, "The smaller tracts weren't
quite as high in support as the others. They're going to be the big losers, so
let's protect them." The discussion went on to talk of right and long-term
value of property. This was presented to a Council Member who's sensitive
to the voters. When you set up the rules for voting, you've got to respect
every single voter. You can disagree with them and explain why but it's
hard, especially for a Council Member, to override a 70 percent majority
which is the rule for passage. It was well over 72. I look for clear
statements at the end of the meeting, a vote where you can express your
opinion. It's not important to have a unanimous outcome, but if you
disagree with something, to so state it. If you're in agreement with
something, it would be helpful to say, "Here are the two or three reasons why I think I'm voting for this, I'm supporting it." A reference back to
something in the Staff Report or something that you came up with yourself.
Those clear messages at the end, it's not just the process of getting there,
but it's the clear messages to the Council, a Council who is sensitive to
voters and wants to be responsive to the public. My recommendation is just make sure when you come to a conclusion and have a vote, you don't just
take the vote. If there's a dissent or something particular you found
important, to so state it.
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Mayor Holman: Thank you. Council Member Berman is next, but I did want
to point out that I'm sure everyone's looked at this. Certainly the
Commissioners are aware of it. I'm certain all the Council Members are as
well. On the City's website and part of the Planning Commission application
that talks about what the purview is and what the responsibilities are of the
Planning and Transportation Commission. There are five bullets; it
references, of course, the Comprehensive Plan, Planned Community zones
and making recommendations on zoning for instance. I'm not going to read
all of those; we're all certainly aware of those. I just wanted to point us to
those. Council Member Berman.
Council Member Berman: Thank you, Madam Mayor. I too want to thank
the members of the Planning and Transportation Commission for all the time
that you guys put in. It's incredibly complicated and controversial. There's
been a lot on your plate recently. Even if I might not agree with you every time, I appreciate the work that you guys do. I agree with Vice Mayor
Schmid that the Minutes. I don't read them every time unfortunately, but
when I do, I always find a lot of value out of that and really appreciate the
questions that you guys raise and the deliberative kind of process that you
guys have as exhibited by tonight's conversation on the single-story overlay,
where you could tell that you guys were really having a good conversation
and bringing up new points and deliberating and changing your mind mid-
debate. That's healthy. That's how this process should work. I have some
process questions, some things. What I want the goal of tonight to be is for
you guys to get any questions that you have clarified, for Council Members
to have an opportunity to kind of say what, I guess, how we think you could
best be utilized. It's good that we're having an opportunity for everybody to
kind of get on the same page with the new Council which that hasn't
happened yet. I think in hindsight maybe we could have done it a little
earlier; although, I know that we just had this in October of last year. I
understand that. Some questions that I have that I'll just kind of throw out.
I haven't fully formulated opinions on all of them. We don't have a Council
liaison to the Planning and Transportation Commission. At some point soon
after I joined Council, I was told the reason for that; I don't recall exactly what it is. Regardless of what it is, I don't know if it's still applicable, or I
wonder if maybe the benefits of having a liaison might outweigh some of the
concerns. I think it's something that we should consider, and I'd love to get
your thoughts on if you think that would be beneficial from your perspective.
I also want to find—right after I thank you for all the work that you do, I'd love to give you more. I'd love to get your guys' input and help. I can't
speak for all my colleagues, but I feel pretty overloaded with what we have
on the Council's plate. I think we've probably had a record number of
meetings this year, and there's never any shortage of issues to deal with.
Some things that we haven't dealt with are—we haven't dealt with a lot of
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issues around housing. When we passed our Housing Element a year ago or
ten months ago or whenever it was, we said that we wanted to pass it
because for statutory reasons we had to, but we'd love to come back to it
and move some of the parcels from certain areas to other areas. We haven't
had that conversation at Council. I wonder if that might be a conversation
that PTC could have first to kind of tee something up for us to make it a little
easier and less onerous on us. I think that's an area where it makes a lot of
sense for the PTC to get involved. Other issues are transportation issues.
We approved a Transportation Management Authority, and I haven't done
anything with it since then. I'm not really that familiar with what kind of
oversight we have from Council or Council-appointed bodies. Maybe that's
an area where you guys could kind of get involved and weigh in and help
make sure that that process is moving along in an expeditious manner. We
see on the liaison to the Human Relations Commission, and they've taken on certain things. A couple of Commissioners here, a couple of Commissioners
there, that they really care about homelessness or—I think there's a couple
of other conferences that have occurred, veterans' homelessness and, I
think, senior issues. It'd be great to see the PTC kind of take some things
that you guys are really passionate about and maybe dig your teeth in a
little bit more. I'll keep my comments brief for now. If I get another turn,
I'll expand upon that. I'd love to find ways that we can utilize you guys that
you'd be comfortable with, that could benefit us.
Mayor Holman: Commissioner Alcheck, did you have a question about
something that's already been said or I'd like to otherwise go through the
whole Council and then come back to Commissioners.
Michael Alcheck, Planning and Transportation Commissioner: I just had a
question. Is it okay to respond to comments on the SSO in this meeting
ahead of the SSO discussion?
Mayor Holman: I think what we're here tonight to do is talk about—we
might use that as an example, but I think first it'd be helpful for us to go
through ...
Mr. Alcheck: I don't mean to respond now. I'm just curious. Should we
prepare responses to that in this session or should we wait for that meeting to happen?
Mayor Holman: If it's helpful to understand how you came to that
conclusion, yes. Council Member Kniss, and then Council Member Burt.
Council Member Kniss: I can't pull it out quite far enough, so I'll try to talk
loudly. We are so grateful to Planning and Transportation, seriously. I think in so many way you're unsung. I'm not sure the public knows how much
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time, energy, effort you put into this. Just know that we are all grateful and
appreciate what you do. I want to reflect on two other things. Your Minutes
are extraordinarily helpful. Have you noticed that our Minutes have
changed? Probably if you've heard us or talked to us or anything, you know
that Tom and I have had trouble going to action Minutes, because you will
not see what we have said unless you request the verbatim Minutes. I'll
probably continue to ride this theme, because going without sense Minutes
has really troubled me. It's very hard for us to go back. I think it must be
very hard for you to go back as well. One more thing that may sound flip,
but it isn't. I think you will notice there's a gender problem up here. It
looks to me as though I'm seeing a lot of guys, and I'm seeing about three
women. I think that's too bad. I think women really do bring a very
different perspective to serving in government. Not that the men don't do a
great job; that's not the question. I think one of the things you look for in government and governance is some kind of diversity. We're not seeing
much of that. For anyone who's listening, watching or whatever, when we
have another opening, it would be certainly advantageous, I think, to have
another woman. I don't have any more comments than that, other than I
enjoy watching what you do. Marc, you talked a little about being on the
same page; I don't always want Planning and Transportation to be on the
same page. Your goal, I hope, is to come to conclusions that make sense
for you, pass them on to us, and we're the ones who get to vote in the end.
You're the advisory board. We have to vote, and we have to take the heat
for whatever that vote is. I really appreciate your being frank and
straightforward with what you tell us. Thanks. Thanks again for all your
service.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Burt.
Council Member Burt: Let me try to give a little bit more historical context
to this. Council Member Wolbach said he has spoken with someone who'd
been a former Council Member and Planning Commissioner. I've dealt with
Planning Commission as a neighborhood leader, as nine years as a Planning
Commissioner, as eight years as a Council Member, on a real regular basis
for over 20 years. I've observed the different make-ups of Commissions, the ways in which they function, when they function well, when they function
less well, but that hasn't been very common. Over that course of time both
as a Council Member in who I helped appoint to the Commission and as a
Commissioner where I served and as a member of the public, I've thought
that it is very valuable for the Commission to represent a range of perspectives in the community. I've supported one or more of the
Commissioners here because I wanted an additional perspective on the
Commission even if I didn't necessarily agree with the bulk of that. That is
really different from what we've been experiencing as of late through the
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Planning Commission in a very serious way. We've now seen the
Commission all too frequently feeling or expressing a real frustration with
the policies and values of a majority of the Council and taking very much an
oppositional role even when policy direction has been provided to the
Commission. The role of the Commission and the request of the Council and
the direction of the Council is to support and provide additional depth of
analysis and recommendations within the parameters of what has been
adopted as a policy position by the elected body of this City. The only
elected body of the City. We've seen a whole series of really problematic
examples. When you've come back with the PC reform that we requested,
we wasted a great deal of time and Staff time and Commission time, and
consequently the Council and public time. The direction that was adopted by
a majority of the Council was not responded to. Instead a very different
direction was taken. We've seen that with the office cap, where we could have very much benefited from depth on looking at how to make that
unanimous policy direction of the Council work more effectively. I'll just say
that that policy was not adopted because all nine Council Members went into
that and saw things exactly the same way. It was a consensus approach
and a compromise and a balance, but then it was unanimous direction of the
Council. The Commission didn't provide any beneficial input except to be
essentially what I would characterize as conceiving of themselves as an
opposing political body to the Council. Not as the advisory body appointed
by the Council to help support and add value to the Staff and the Council,
but instead taking a role as opponents. We even had one of the most
disconcerting and, I'll say, outrageous things that I've ever seen out of any
Board, Commission or Council that I'd been witness to. We had an issue
about whether to allow parking variances for seismic bonuses when a
building was torn down. We had a Commissioner accuse the City Council of
essentially reckless disregard for the public health and safety. Four
Commissioners supported her position. I can't tell you how offensive and
wrong that was. It didn't understand the direction of the Council. It seemed
to be oblivious to the fact that the Council had actually taken a very
substantial action that's going on right now through the Development Center to enhance our whole seismic upgrade program through both mandates and
incentives that will be coming back to the Council soon. In either event, if
you disagree with a recommendation, make rational arguments that you
think may be persuasive. I can't imagine under what possible scenario that
kind of statement would be viewed as constructive or of value not only to this Council, but to the governance of the City. I'm also concerned that
recently—I want to ask for clarification, maybe from the Chair. I wasn't
aware that we have actually now—it wasn't a case when one was
appointed—we have two Commissioners who have significant financial
relationships with the largest employer in Downtown. I would like to know
whether those Commissioners have been recusing themselves from a series
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of issues affecting Downtown office development. I don't yet know whether
those conflicts constitute a legal conflict, but I certainly would have real
concern about whether the public can view that as an objective analysis
where those conflicts do exist, and that these were not conflicts that either
didn't exist or the Council was not aware of when we made such
appointments. I'll leave it there for the moment. These are as strong of
comments as I've ever made about a body that serves the City. I regret
that I feel obliged to make them.
Mayor Holman: At the moment, I don't see other lights, so I will make a few
of my own. I think it's important at the end of this evening that we send the
Planning Commission away with some clear guidance about what is
expected. As Council Member Burt and my experience with the Planning and
Transportation Commission has been pretty long, basically to mirror what he
was saying, I was a long time as a member of the public and part of a neighborhood association, then also for 8 1/2 years as a member of the
Planning and Transportation Commission itself, and now for six years as a
Council Member. I don't want anyone to think that the expectation is that
the Planning Commission always agree with each other or that you
necessarily agree with the Council or the Council always agree with you.
What I have found over the years to be most helpful in Council Members
appointing Commissioners is that there are balanced perspectives
represented on the Commission. What any Board or Commission does to
benefit the Council is to vet the issues. To vet the issues fully, there has to
be a difference of perspective among the Commissioners and Board
Members. I have some concern that we don't have a balance of perspective
on the Commission right now. I'm also concerned along with the regard I
have for the amount of time and effort that is put into the work that you do
and that you deliver, because it is a time commitment. It is something that
obviously all the Board and Commission Members feel about or you wouldn't
be doing this. My concern, along with that passion, is that the
recommendations are based on the foundational documents of the City,
whether it's the Comprehensive Plan, the Zoning Code, City Charter. Those
all need to be the foundation of the discussions and recommendations. A simple example. If there's a project that comes before the Commission and
they're asking for a variance—I'll just make this up; don't take it as being
specific to any project. The way that the Commission can be really helpful
to the Staff and the Council and the public is to weigh the findings that are
required for a variance based on Code and what the findings have to be, not whether one thinks that the Code is wrong or whether one thinks that
something should or shouldn't be the way it is. Again, basing
recommendations and comments on foundational documents, that's what is
helpful. If the Commission has other things and other perspectives that it
wishes to forward to the Council, there are other avenues to do that.
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Altering what the role is of the Commission during the review of a project is
not the venue for doing that. Another one that I've seen and have been
given comments to and I've read some is understanding what the role of the
public is. We are all here to serve the public. That means listen to the
public. The public is absolutely vested in everything this City does, whether
it's what the Staff does, what the Commission does, what the Council does.
We are all serving at the pleasure of the public for that matter. As such, we
are beholden to the public, if you will. It is the foundational documents that
we are required to uphold because they are the public's documents. Those
are why those foundational documents are so important. It is why the
procedures and processes we have in place support a democracy and
support those foundational documents. I have sometimes wished that in
watching some piece or some portions of Commission Members that we have
a Staff that has long experience and a lot of expertise. I would wish that the Commissioners would rely more on Staff. By that I don't mean necessarily
agreeing with. There's not a Staff member here that would say Karen
Holman always agrees with the Staff. There's not a Staff member that
would say that. Do ask for the input and respect the Staff and their
expertise and experience, because they will add content and breadth and
depth to a consideration that otherwise is just not available, because we
don't all have that. I think I will leave it there; I think I've said all I need to
say right now. Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: I'd like to add my thanks for volunteering on the
Commission. I know it's a lot of reading and a lot of work. Sincerely
appreciate it. I think it would be valuable if a member of the PTC tried to
attend Council meetings. I think you guys do that sometimes, but I think
there's a lot of discussions we have and nobody is here. Just to follow up on
Council Member Burt's and Mayor Holman's comments. I think my concern
primarily is about getting the City's work done efficiently and correctly. We
need to strike a balance. Again, it's not about agreeing with Council. I think
it's about understanding our respective rules and our ordinances and
interpreting them. I think Council Member Burt said this. A lot of past PTCs
might not necessarily agree. I think they would kind of first do the work requested and then they might separately submit a letter, but at least the
work would get done. I think PC zoning was a good example. I think the
community spoke pretty loudly. I think before I was on Council, Council put
a moratorium in place. You guys spent a lot of time on it, and when it came
back, we weren't really able to use all the work you did because it didn't really meet the Council direction or the community direction. That's just not
efficient governance. A lot of people have said things I was going to say.
Council Member Schmid talked a little bit about the SSO. Again, there's
nothing in the ordinance about dropping votes from people. It was an
interesting discussion, but again I would say it started off kind of the
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neighbors came, they met the ordinance, met a pretty high threshold. I
would just be careful about if you disagree with the ordinance, maybe come
back, maybe propose a change to ordinances rather than just start making
things up. Mayor Holman touched on this one too about basically, I think,
going back to those foundational documents. One other issue that I've had
a concern with is really vetting issues from kind of 360 degrees from a legal
perspective. I think Council Member Schmid touched on that in that hearing
the reasoning for the final vote is important as well as hearing minority
opinions. It's really important to get those multiple views. As a
Commission, I kind of caution you guys about kind of coming to a
unanimous decision too much. I think it's a lot more useful to us to hear
kind of views from all perspectives. I'll leave it there. Thank you, guys.
Mayor Holman: I don't see any other Council Members' lights on at the
moment. It's a lot to chew on that we've thrown out there. Commissioner Alcheck, did you want to comment? Any others too, just let me know.
Mr. Alcheck: I'll start by saying that it's an honor to serve on this
Commission. It is with great respect that I approach the work that we do.
Maybe all of you know I'm a licensed real estate attorney. I focused on land
use policy and land use law in graduate school. I'd like to think that it's with
that expertise that I was appointed to this position and to provide that
perspective. I want to quickly comment on the SSO discussion. I think
during our discussion—I think this is relevant—it occurred to us that our
Code doesn't provide neighborhoods a pathway to zone themselves. As we
were discussing that, it became clearer and clearer that the majority or a
significant majority required for an overlay process entitled that community,
that neighborhood to a discussion about an overlay, but not to an overlay.
In fact, as we were discussing the process, it occurred to us that City Council
could decide tomorrow to remove all single-story overlay districts in the
entire City without any public input. It's probably not a popular move, but
they could. The process for a single-story overlay essentially did not entitle
a majority of the community just to have it, so we had a discussion about—I
agree it could have been more coherent and it could have been more
articulate. That is sometimes difficult because of the time constraints that we're under. That's what led to a greater discussion of how do we review
this zoning change and what is the right advice to give Council as it moves
forward. That said, I want to make a separate comment which is to say that
I joined the Commission in 2012. In the first six months of my being on the
Commission, I coauthored a memo on the problematic PC zoning process. This is 2012. That memo identified the challenges we face not only in
defining a public benefit but measuring it. If you're familiar with the
intrinsic/extrinsic discussion, you know what I'm talking about. A year later,
the Maybell Senior Affordable Housing Development Project, which was
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unanimously supported by our Commission, unanimously supported by the
City Council, and was probably arguably the most defensible PC zone in
memory was overturned by 6,500 over 66,000 residents. I want to say that
following that regrettable result, we then placed a moratorium on PC zones
which made sense. I bring this up because in the wake of that moratorium,
I think there's concern, at least from me, that we are not doing enough to
encourage development of additional housing, especially affordable housing,
in the City. To be clear, I don't think this Commission is blind to the data or
deaf to the anecdotal evidence regarding the traffic congestion and parking
problems that have affected many in our community. From my perspective,
we've basically spearheaded providing a forum for the Downtown parking
permit process to take place, and we were continually suggesting that that
process move forward. As a City, we operate within a legal framework
imposed on us by the State. We have an obligation both legal and, I would argue, moral to encourage development of affordable housing. That's the
very reason and motivation for the State's requirement that our Housing
Element be certified and why this Element must be updated more frequently
than any of the other Elements. We sit in the middle of a very rapidly and
ever changing Bay Area. I think that the impact of this growth is not
welcomed by many of our residents. That unfortunately doesn't mean that
we can ignore it and we can't turn our back on this change. One of the
things that keeps coming up tonight is that, while this Council is subject to
the popular whims of this community, this Commission isn't. The distinction
is so fundamental to our work, because much of the framework within which
we operate requires us to provide you often with guidance that's not going
to be popular. It's not surprising to me that in the last year you've
experienced a very significant change in the way you feel about the
Commission, because in the last year this Council has changed dramatically
politically. This is the Council that unanimously supported Maybell. This is
also the Council that is now made up of the wave that has changed since the
Maybell referendum. We didn't change that much. I think that there is
going to be a lot of discord with respect to the way you work with the
guidance that we provide in the political forum that you're in. I don't want to suggest even for one minute that every meeting of ours is eloquent,
articulate or coherent. That said, in the three years that I've been on this
Commission—I am the second longest standing Commission Member—I
really believe that this year we experienced a significant raising of the bar in
our process. Chair Tanaka has demonstrably enhanced the way that we have our meetings. If you were to read the Minutes of—I have a lot of
respect for Chair Martinez and a lot of respect for Chair Michael. It was
totally different. Now, we're pushed hard to make a point, to be concise.
We are constantly trying to identify what is it in this issue that we're not
working with. I think from our perspective, when that PC process came back
to us, we were looking for direction from you as to how do we move forward
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with these definitions, how is there a process in this City for the sort of
growth that needs to happen in our Code. One of the challenges we had
with reviewing the PC that you sent to us was that we were reviewing it
within the context of our current Comp Plan which is being dramatically
changed. We can't revise the PC process because there is no avenue within
our Comp Plan to achieve any of the goals that the PC process was created
to allow for. When we sent it back to you, we were suggesting that we're
constricted here. I really appreciate the direction that you provide. I think
sometimes—like tonight, tonight you had a meeting on a project. Council
Member DuBois said, "I really hope you hear very clearly what we're telling
you." I'm sitting in the audience, and I'm not exactly sure if what you said
was very clear. As a body, there was a lot of disagreement on a lot of very
subtle issues. At some point, someone said this project may comply with all
the Code requirements, but it doesn't, and then the X factor. Tonight at one point, you mentioned we need to rely on our Code documents and on our
ordinances and on our Comprehensive Plan with respect to the ordinance
that I think you're referring to which is the one we reviewed maybe 1 1/2
months ago or 2 months ago which had to do with the setback.
Mayor Holman: I was specifically not referring to any. I was not referring to
anything in particular.
Mr. Alcheck: I only mention that because that's pretty much the only
variance we've reviewed in the last eight months. We did rely on the
documents, but there's always vague and subtle discrepancies that require
people to have a sort of discussion that it isn't always clear. I'll end by
saying that I really hope that the perception isn't that we are a politically
opposing body. None of us approach it like that. I for sure don't. I review
the documents and the Code. I go so far in-depth on the zoning when we
were reviewing Zoning Code. We treat this like a graduate seminar. We
have tremendous respect for each other. Not everything that we say on the
Commission—I'm sure Commissioners don't necessarily agree with that I'm
saying tonight. We do try very hard, and it's not intended to thwart your
political process.
Mayor Holman: Commissioner Gardias.
Przemek Gardias, Planning and Transportation Commissioner: Thank you
very much. Madam Mayor, Mr. Vice Mayor and Council Members, thank you
very much for having us here. Fellow Commissioners. There's a couple of
things that I would like to address. First of all, thanks very much for the
honest and sincere critique. We heard it from various sources, from various persons. I think this is very concrete. We discussed it among ourselves.
I'm sure that we're going to take it very seriously, and we will address it
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because it's a very critical aspect to remove it because it is an obstacle
toward the better relationship and better planning and transportation issues
that we can address. Personally, I just think that those items—I will speak
in a moment about good things that we've done. I think that we've done
lots of them. Once we remove those issues that were perceived to be an
obstacle between the Council and the Commission, they were putting a haze
on the good items that Vice Mayor Schmid addressed at the beginning of this
conversation. Although we were making some comments that I don't really
think that were responsible, I would even say that they were silly comments,
because they pretty much departed us from addressing the core issues of
the planning and transportations that we should have been addressing all
time together. Once you remove those items, when you really focus on the
meeting Minutes, maybe we should be articulating better our observations,
those pros and cons. I really think that the discussion among ourselves that we have biweekly really provides lots of interesting findings and
observations that can contribute to work of the Council. Some of the
comments that I hear from the colleagues like Mike Alcheck, like Vice
Chairman Fine or others, they're really findings that I can hear first time that
were never expressed before, so I really wish that we maybe change our
way of interaction. As opposed to just focusing on one item, we pretty much
operate within some strategy guidance that we receive from the Council and
within that guidance we pretty much generate number of the top level
options that we return to the Council, and then we focus on addressing the
best option. If you read again our Minutes from the Planned Community
zoning or from any other meeting, you may find very interesting number of
comments that should have been returned to the Staff or returned to the
Council for another round of consideration, that maybe would sway their
opinion or just generate a different approach. In this letter of Chair Tanaka
which all of us contributed to, I put a bullet point about some opportunity
and that was in regards to the retail ordinance that we passed recently
under the Council's guidance. Although I voted for the ordinance, I wish
that we approached it differently. For example, if you think about our
unusual City as the place where we can provide opportunity to the retailers, to the young people, to the designers, to the planners, we could have
approached retail issue as an opportunity aspect as opposed to regulating
and then creating constraint on certain group of the retail stores. We could
have approached this as an option to open opportunity for larger and greater
commerce within Palo Alto, the commerce which has always been a core of any city throughout the history. I'm just giving this example to say that as
opposed to looking and addressing and maybe copying one approach that
somebody else proposed, we have here number of the splendid brains—I
really appreciate every meeting that I have with colleagues from our
Commissions, because they truly open my eyes. I hope that I also open
their eyes. That we can generate many other opportunities and options for
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the Council to consider. Maybe if we can just accept this comment as
changing the cadence, whereas opposed to just jumping on one solution,
maybe we can spend more time on brainstorming that would maybe return
better results. Thank you very much.
Mayor Holman: Commissioner Rosenblum.
Eric Rosenblum, Planning and Transportation Commissioner: First, thank
you for this opportunity and thank you for the feedback. I heard a bunch of
different things. There's obviously some Council Members here who
expressed the view that they're very supportive of the current deliberation
and process and others that are really dismayed. As you said, the strongest
opinions you've voiced about a Board in the time that you've been serving.
Two of the examples that have been brought up by a number of people, I
think, are pretty revealing. By the way, this is my first time serving on a
Commission or Board. I've been executive management from a corporate sense and I've served on boards from a corporate sense. Getting used to
this different style, I have my own criticisms. I look at myself sometimes in
our Minutes, and I shudder sometimes. I really want to do better. The two
examples that were brought up, first SSO. It was one of those meetings
that I think is instructive. Mayor Holman, you said that this can be brought
up as an example. I think it's a good example. I brought up the first point,
where I said, "I think this will be two minutes. It's clear. They've passed
the hurdle. What is there to discuss?" Our Chairman then brought it
further. Of course, we all want to go home. If it's easy, we should just go
home. He said, "This is interesting. It seems like the definition of these
tracts is very different. Is this one tract? You have some of these houses
that are larger and facing the street and seem to come from a completely
different style. They seem to support this much less. This other group has
smaller homes, and they're internally faced. They seem to support this with
great numbers. Are we talking about two different tracts? Can one tract
with a supermajority drag in another tract that may be less supportive and
subject them to these rules?" Mayor Holman, as you said earlier today, if it
were just about the quantitative numbers, we wouldn't have a hearing about
this. I even thought I would go home finally, said "You're probably right about this. This is interesting. These are probably two different tracts." My
simplistic analysis of saying they've clearly met the (inaudible) rate may be
more complex. It went on like that. It's interesting to me. Again, from a
logical standpoint, I probably favor things that generally increase the
housing stock. Whenever we've had a single-story overlay come forward to the Commission, I've been very supportive because, to me, it seemed very
clear. I'm a numbers guy. If they meet the numbers, I'm supportive. It
was one of those instances where my fellow Commissioners made me really
think about this and change my mind. I view this as instructive in many
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ways. I didn't love the process; I was frustrated, but I actually did end up
changing my view. I think that's part of what a Commission does. I came
into this feeling like I had a simplistic analysis that was correct and came
away with a more nuanced discussion, whether or not the process of making
the sausage was pretty. The second was the PC process. This one I spent a
lot of time doing homework. I entered in a spreadsheet every PC project
from 1990, tagged it by type, what the variance was, whether or not that
would still be counted as PC, and came away with a fairly interesting and, to
me, unexpected conclusion that actually it's used very rarely. By far, the
most common use is for BMR. Many of the reasons that PC zones had been
used in the past had been written into the Zoning Code. When we came
away to discuss this, my impression was I do wish Council had crunched
these numbers or instructed Staff to crunch these numbers. I think the
conversation would have been a lot less volatile in the public, and also there could have been a more (inaudible) discussion at the Council level. Now
having said that, many of the meetings that I've observed have gone
haywire. I also agree that Commissioner Tanaka has put in a lot of reforms
to make us more efficient. Despite that, I think you have people that are
citizen volunteers, that are operating under a different set of procedures.
The thing that I would give feedback on—I've taken a lot of feedback and I'll
take it to heart. The feedback I would give is when I've served on boards of
companies, when board meetings go badly, it's sometimes because the
board and staff haven't got the vision right that they're trying to measure
their success against. We have a Comp Plan, but that Comp Plan can
obviously be interpreted in a lot of different ways. There's some big vision
areas around. I think in Palo Alto it has to do with housing availability and
affordability, transportation options, the pace of office growth, retail
preservation. This Council has made a couple of these crystal clear. This
Council supports very slow growth of office through means of a cap; has
supported retail preservation on the ground floor. On some other critical
issues around how to make housing more available, the right mechanism for
controlling transportation, I think it's been somewhat less clear. Things that
come in front of us, I think, are often meandering discussions because the touchstone which should be the Comprehensive Plan can be interpreted in a
number of ways. Each of us is putting our own lens against it. I think
Council could serve a really useful role in giving more of a guiding light
around a couple of these issues that come up again and again. That's it for
me. I think, again, this is very useful to me. Thank you for your advice.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Filseth.
Council Member Filseth: I pass.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Filseth passes. Yes.
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Kate Downing, Planning and Transportation Commissioner: Thank you very
much for having us here tonight. We appreciate the dialog. I'm taking
notes on your feedback and hope to improve our sessions going forward. I
also wanted to respond to some of the comments that we've received
tonight. I think one of the comments that I'd like to share is there's—I often
see Council giving very specific advice or suggestions to ARB or PTC. We
want you to look at this aspect of this project, or we want you to consider
this aspect of this ordinance. That's great. I think that we as PTC really try
to do that and try to look at those kind of specifics that we're asked to give
feedback on. The problem is that we're required to approve an ordinance in
its totality. When the Staff gives us our report and the Staff asks what's
required of us, we are required to either approve or disapprove the
ordinance in totality, even if you ask us to only examine something in part,
which means we can't ignore the rest of it, which means we can't not talk about the rest of it. I think that's part of the discord that is happening
between us and the Council. I think that needs to be taken into account. I
would also like to respond to comments made about my own statements
personally. I'm really sorry that it's led to this level of miscommunication. I
will say that I'd like to give context to those comments since they've been
brought up on this Council several times at this point. The comments that I
made were during a meeting where we were discussing administrative
cleanup of the Code, basically simple things where we were making
clarifications within the Code to make it easier to read and easier to follow.
We were looking at a list provided to Staff of such clarifications. The Staff
had asked us to pick out the parts that we thought were not just
clarifications, but were actual policy decisions and required more
conversation and more discussion. When I saw on the list that part of what
we were trying to do as a matter of simple administrative cleanup was
actually changing the incentives for retrofitting buildings to be more
seismically secure, when I saw us making those changes, that didn't seem
like an administrative decision to me. That seemed very much like a policy
decision. Palo Alto is still filled with buildings that are not seismically safe.
Lots of our buildings were constructed long before we had the technology to build safe buildings. Most of our Downtown is not seismically safe to this
day. To remove policies which increase our safety seems to me like a policy
decision; it's not an administrative cleanup. That's exactly the comment I
meant. The comment that I, in fact, made was surely Council doesn't mean
it that way. We should in fact have a discussion about this. We should have transparency here, and we should have community input. I'm sorry my
comments were taken the wrong way about that. I think that there are lots
of things that need to be taken into account, and that wasn't the only one.
(inaudible). No, thanks.
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Mayor Holman: Thank you, Commissioner Downing. Council Member
Filseth.
Council Member Filseth: I think I will make a comment here. We the
Council, we report to the residents. When you describe elections as popular
whims, that's our boss you're talking about here. I think our priority, as
Tom said, is to execute the community's business as fast and efficiently as
we possibly can. That's really all of us as a larger group, because we're all
the Council. We're the Council and you're a Council Commission and so
forth, so it's all our responsibility to work together to get this done. There's
sort of this whole mantra that's sort of picked up by everybody in Silicon
Valley about discussion is good and so forth, but at some point you've got to
make a decision and choose a direction. At that point, there's this whole
mantra of we've got to agree and commit and disagree and commit and all
that kind of stuff. We have direction. We're trying to do what we think we, as best we can as what we've been told by the residents that we want to do.
I think not everybody agrees with that direction. We're talking about—I
mean, I think it's pretty clear we're moving on a slow growth path. Not a
zero growth path, but a managed growth path. Not everybody agrees with
that direction, and that's okay. There are a variety of ways to act when
that's the case. For us as this group, the larger Council here, I mean, the
top priority is we've got to get the community's business done. I think we
need to figure out once we choose a direction, that we need to go down that
and do it the best we can. I think that's the responsibility of all of us.
Mayor Holman: Chair Tanaka.
Chair Tanaka: I wanted to first thank everyone for their feedback and
thoughts. I think this is actually quite helpful. I actually like all the earlier
comments which is I think this should have happened a lot earlier, a lot
sooner. That said, I think it's better late than never. I do also kind of want
to reiterate what I said earlier. I think all the Commission Members have
really tried best efforts. I think as you hear all the Commission Members
talk, I think everyone has the best intentions. It's really kind of channeling
those best intentions and efforts and time commitments that people have
been making to improve the process, making things more effective. I think the best way for the Commission to serve the Council—we do serve the
Council; we're appointed by the Council—is to make sure that it's clear as to
what we're supposed to be doing in terms of what is our charter, what we're
trying to do. Of course, we all have read what's on the web page. There's a
part of—I've heard several different voices. One is "you should not go beyond the parameters that are given to you by Council." I've heard also
that it's good to hear opposing viewpoints. It's kind of a delicate thing to
figure out sometimes. I think getting more clarity on that would be good.
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For me, when I look at these issues—just wanted to actually make one
correction. Not everyone voted yes on Maybell; I for one did not vote for it.
I voted for it not because of my personal beliefs. It wasn't because I'm pro
housing or anti housing. It wasn't because I didn't want more senior
housing, because really the City needs it. That's not why. The reason why I
voted against it was because there wasn't proper notice. I didn't believe
Staff gave proper notice. I believed that if this went to Council, it would
have been blindsided, it would have caused a firestorm. No one could build
something like that in a neighborhood without proper notice. That's why I
voted against it. I kind of believe that besides what's written on the web
page for PTC, what's important for PTC to do is to actually make sure that
the Council's never blindsided, that we take the time to fully vet issues to
make sure that all these kind of issues kind of come to the surface. I think
as a Council Member said earlier—I was looking at the agenda earlier. There's like 40 items on the agenda. I mean, it's just insane. The PTC focus
is just on planning and transportation issues. We can spend time to really
dive in and make sure that there aren't skeletons in the closet. I think for
the community's sake, for the Council's sake it's important for us to do that.
That said, we serve at the pleasure of Council. We are here to help Council.
I think all the Commission Members have certainly heard the feedback from
Council. We're going to try our best to make sure that we are able to serve
in the best way possible. Thank you for everyone's feedback.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Council Member Scharff.
Council Member Scharff: Thank you. I just wanted to first of all say I do
actually appreciate all of your service. I do know how hard you all work at
it. I was struck by Commissioner Rosenblum going through all the PCs,
making a spreadsheet, looking at it. I know that's the kind of level of detail
you do. Then I was struck by Chair Tanaka's comment that we don't get
blindsided as a Council. I think that's really what we're looking for, that you
vet things on a deeper level. I know you do all this work. I've heard other
Council Members say things like, "We'd like to see if there's a minority
opinion. We'd like to see it clearly spelled out in the Minutes. We'd like to
see your reasoning for things." I know you do all this work, and I think it's transferring that reasoning and all that work and that thought behind it, the
bases. I don't think we need to be on the same page at all. I don't think
that's necessary. What I do think we need to be is in the same book. That's
really, I think, the distinction that we're looking at. If I had to put it
succinctly, that's what I would say. Let's all be reading the same book. We can be on completely different pages; that's completely fine. I just wanted
to sort of say that and say that I really do appreciate all of your work. I
think each and every one of you actually adds a lot to it. I read the Minutes.
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I think you're all thoughtful, really intelligent and do a really good job. I
think that's great.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: Having heard the discussion, there were just a
couple of other things that I'd like to add particularly thinking about what I
heard from my colleague, Council Member Filseth. He has a good point
absolutely, that our bosses are the approximately 65,000 people in Palo
Alto. That's absolutely true. Both the Council and the Commission also
operate in the context of the rule of law. This was alluded to earlier. If
hypothetically all 65,000 people in Palo Alto asked us to do something that
was, in our view, blatantly unconstitutionally, we would not have an
obligation to simply obey it. That's an extreme hypothetical just to prove
the concept. If the Planning and Transportation Commission feels that
direction offered by Council doesn't fully take into account obligations under State law, I think they should recognize that and should consider that very
carefully. Their job is to consider our Code, consider our Comprehensive
Plan and consider the direction that they've received from us in that context,
also again including the State law obligations. I agree that we do have a
legal and a moral obligation to provide housing. As far as being on the same
page and all that, there's not just especially on one of the issues that we
haven't had a lot of clarify on and that is housing. I think that we don't have
a lot of clarity on that, not just because PTC and Council are on different
pages, but because the Council has not really clearly identified how pro
housing we are. We've said we're pro housing. We've taken some steps to
initiate more discussion of that with the Comprehensive Plan Community
Advisory Committee, giving them clear direction to at least retain the
existing pro housing elements of the existing Comp Plan. We still haven't
given or decided amongst ourselves how we really feel about housing, how
pro housing we are. I think that there's a division on the Council on that
that probably breaks down three ways, very pro, moderately pro, not very
pro. I think that's also reflected in the community. You see reflected in our
National Citizens Survey, when it asks our residents, "how do you feel about
the pace of housing growth over the last couple of years?" Around a third, a little over a third say it's been too fast. A little over a third say it's been too
slow. The rest say it's been about right. I don't want to throw my hands up
and say there's no right answer. I want all of us to just recognize that
there's going to be tension because we haven't as a community yet come to
a final conclusion. There will probably be lingering disagreement on the Council and in the community about that issue.
Mayor Holman: I don't see any other hands or lights, so just a couple of
wrap-up comments here. I think one of the things that I've heard here that
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would be—this came up actually in our pre-Study Session meeting as well.
When an item is concluded at the Commission, that if the motion could be
repeated, that way there's clarity, everybody knows what they're voting on.
It's also very concise at the end of the Minutes of that item. Also, if those
who are voting nay or who are in the minority, if they could state their
rationale for why that also provides good clarity on rationale and guidance to
the Council and rationale to the Council and to the public and perhaps to the
body itself. In the past what we've done is when something has come to the
Council that had a minority and majority view from the Commission, both
perspectives were presented. Not just a one-person minority, but if there
were two or more Commissioners who had a minority opinion, then that was
also reflected in the Staff Report to the Council. That way no voices are lost.
Again, not a one-person minority, but at least a two-person minority. We
have issues that we're grappling with, whether they're transportation or housing or office. We've not given specifically clear guidance on that yet,
because we're grappling with those issues and we're undertaking the update
of the Comprehensive Plan. That said, what I think would be most helpful to
us as Council Members and the public and to each of the Commissioners
together is when talking about housing, talk about the pros and the cons of
housing. In other words, what are the impacts of housing? What are the
likelihood that housing would be occupied by X, Y or Z populations? What
traffic is that likely to create? What kind of demand on parks and open
space is that going to create? It isn't just a housing only issue in a silo.
Likewise office, it isn't for the sake of restricting office that the Council took
that step. It was because—I'm sure Council Members will correct me if I'm
not understanding the whole intention of the Council. It's while we are
undertaking the update of the Comprehensive Plan, we did not want to be
exacerbating conditions, so that we could understand those in an
Environmental Impact Report and so that we wouldn't be chasing our tails
while we were also updating the Comprehensive Plan. It wasn't for the sake
of limiting office itself or per se. I hope those are helpful comments. I see
Council Member Burt has his light on.
Council Member Burt: Yes.
Mayor Holman: Then Council Member DuBois.
Council Member Burt: I'd just like to ask as a follow-up to this meeting for
the City Attorney to provide with greater clarity to the Planning Commission
their proper purview and responsibilities as it relates to review of zoning. It
doesn't have to occur here at this time. If you have (inaudible) because I heard a repetition of something that I've heard stated in public previously by
Commissioners that is different from my understanding and different from
what I understood from the City Attorney. I think there was a
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misunderstanding that came out of a previous Planning Commission review.
They misconstrued some guidance from the Legal Staff.
Molly Stump, City Attorney: Thank you, Council Member Burt. We will do
that. We will go ahead and do that in writing so that we can be thoughtful
about it and issue it to both the Council and to the Commission. Thank you
for that invitation.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: I just wanted to say to Commissioner Waldfogel,
welcome to the PTC.
Male: (inaudible)
Mayor Holman: My final comment. I'm sorry. Commissioner Rosenblum.
Mr. Rosenblum: Sorry. I wanted to add to Council Member Burt's statement
also for the attorney. He brought up an issue around are employees of large
Downtown-based companies, should we be recused from issues impacting Downtown.
Ms. Stump: Thank you. We appreciate that invitation as well. We do watch
those issues, and we will work with you on that as well. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you for that. I do want to thank each and every one
of you, Council Members and certainly Commissioners alike. This has not in
its totality been an easy conversation to have. It's one that we have to have
in this venue because of the Brown Act. We have to have these discussions
in public. There have been some questions that have arisen among a
variety of Council Members, certainly members of the public and expressed
by Commissioners as well. I appreciate everyone's indulgence and attitude
in addressing these difficult and easy issues combined. Thank you all very
much. If you have further questions or issues, please do channel those
through Staff or through your Chair to the Council and to the Staff, so we
can help address this and help us all move forward in a productive manner.
Thank you all so very much.
Agenda Changes, Additions and Deletions
Mayor Holman: While we don't have any changes—excuse me. Thank you
very much. If we don't have any changes, but do know that we will do the
best we can to get through our entire agenda this evening. Hang in there with us, and we'll do the best we can. There is a possibility, depending on
how long some of these items take, that we might have to continue
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something to another night. Apologies if we do have to do that. We'll do
the best we can.
City Manager Comments
Mayor Holman: Our next item on the agenda is City Manager Comments.
Jim.
James Keene, City Manager: Thank you, Madam Mayor and members of the
Council. I'll try to move through this pretty quickly, but I do have a number
of items to report. First of all, in the realm of community meetings actually
this week, I did want to remind folks that PG&E will be hosting a community
open house this Wednesday, December 2nd, from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. That'll
be in the large El Palo Alto Room at the Mitchell Park Community Center.
That's in relation to some of the upcoming gas safety work they are
anticipating in Palo Alto and other communities. It really is including efforts
to work with the City and local residents to check areas above natural gas transmission pipeline for items that could pose a safety concern. This really
was generated about contact from PG&E to potentially hundreds of our
residents relating to the possible need for tree removal related to these
safety concerns. We had the chance to have some initial conversations with
PG&E, and looks like they've dialed back the number of trees from 600 to
maybe under about 300, but that does have some significant impact. Most
of them are on private property, so it is the sort of thing that a lot of our
public will be interested in. Again, that's Wednesday, December 2nd, from
7:00 to 9:00 p.m. We have more information posted on the home page of
the City's website for folks who are interested. Secondly, the Council will be
hosting the second of your neighborhood Town Hall meetings this Thursday,
December 3rd, from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. That'll be held at the Cubberley
Community Center Auditorium. Each of the Town Halls that you've asked to
set up are to focus on a group of different neighborhoods throughout the
City. That really is focused in south Palo Alto including the neighborhoods of
Adobe Meadow, Green Meadow and a few other adjacent neighborhoods in
the very far south of Palo Alto. Next up, we did just want to put out a
reminder that in the area of the minimum wage that the minimum wage of
$11 an hour that the Council has set for Palo Alto will go into effect on January 1st. The City mailed an outreach piece to all businesses in town
that includes an official notice for posting. We're planning additional
outreach efforts through December via email as well as on the City's website
and via social media. More information, frequently asked questions and a
know your rights poster and a City contact is available at the City's website, cityofpaloalto.org/minimum wage. As it relates to the Business Registry
which will be discussed soon at Committee or before the Council, as of mid-
November 2,533 businesses or an estimate of about 87 percent out of a
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total subject less of just under 2,900 have registered for the Business
Registry. The complete list of those registered will be available soon on our
Open Data page which is data.cityofpaloalto.org. As I started to mention
earlier, Staff will be returning to Policy and Services Committee on
December 15th to discuss next steps on the Business Registry as we gear up
for Year 2 which will begin officially in March 2016. An update on the
Transportation Management Association initiative directed by Council. The
Transportation Management Association Steering Committee—TMA consists
primarily of local employers—including the City has been busy this year
working on the formation of a Downtown TMA with a goal of reducing single
occupant vehicle use in the Downtown. In addition to the commute survey
undertaken in May, the group has discussed potential funding sources, a
variety of rideshare pilot programs and a preferred structure for formation of
the TMA. The group voted in November to incorporate as a 501(c)(3) and to have the Silicon Valley Community Foundation act as a fiscal sponsor to
collect monies on behalf of the organization. At the December meeting, the
Steering Committee will be considering the Board Member structure for the
TMA and potential funding sources. Several Downtown employers have
already unofficially committed funds to support programs that will provide
transportation alternatives for employees, particularly lower-wage
employees. Our City Staff will be reviewing the proposed Bylaws and
Articles of Incorporation for the TMA and will be requesting that the TMA
submit an annual report to the City each fiscal year. The TMA will be official
essentially upon filing the Articles of Incorporation with the State. Currently
our Staff anticipates this will happen in January or February of the new year.
In the first quarter of 2016, we'll be returning to City Council with an update
on the TMA's formation activities and with actions related to use of funds
budgeted in FY '16 for TMA pilots and other potential directives from the
Council as it applies directly to the City. The Council has received a lot of
correspondence of late after the tragic accident at I280 and Page Mill
interchange area. I did want to report that on November 16th, our Staff
attended a meeting hosted by the County of Santa Clara Roads and Airports
Department to discuss interim and long-range plans for safety and operational improvements at 280 at Page Mill interchange. The meeting was
also attended by staff from CalTrans and the town of Los Altos Hills. The
group reviewed the long-range plan which is in the project development
phase and a set of interim signing and striping improvements which the
County is looking at installing within the next year. Since that meeting, our Staff has reviewed plans for those interim improvements and has put
together a set of comments for submittal to the County. Once a final
concept or a draft final concept is developed, it's anticipated the County may
seek small financial contribution from potentially our City and Los Altos Hills
in order to make interim improvements in a timely fashion. I'm not
obligating us by mentioning that. I did want to let you know that was just
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part of the conversations to date. Santa Clara County has submitted the
long-range project and the Page Mill Road quarter widening project for
consideration in the Envision Silicon Valley sales tax measure which is
scheduled for a vote in 2016. Both of those projects are listed as Tier 1 high
priority projects in the Expressway Plan 2014 study, and 7.7 million is
programmed for Oregon Expressway, Page Mill Road, I280-Page Mill Road
modification in the adopted Valley Transportation Plan of 2040. Two more
items. As most of you are aware, this week in Paris representatives of 194
nations are gathering to discuss and negotiate potential new climate
agreements that can drive long-term solutions to obviously one of the
greatest threats facing humanity at the Paris COP 21 Conference. Officially,
I think, the President was there today. The US is focusing on three major
areas all of which we're familiar with ourselves and, of course, have been
demonstrating national and in many ways international leadership. Long-term climate actions with targets ratcheting up over time with a long-term
goal to reduce carbon pollution over the course of the century, rigorous
transparency to ensure that countries are following through on their
commitments and climate financing for low carbon technology development
and adaptation from public and private donors for those most in need. Here
in Palo Alto, we're continuing to work on our own updates to our
Sustainability and Climate Action Plan. We do have a community summit
planned for January 24th from noon to 5:00 p.m.; that is a Sunday.
Registration and details for the summit can be found at the City's website
right now, cityofpaloalto.org/services/sustainability. I would report that we
are fortunate that Council Member Burt happens to be needing to be in
Europe for some business and is able to attend the COP 21 Conference and
actually has been invited to the Climate Summit for Local Leaders sessions
being held later this week in Paris. We're appreciative that we're able to
have a representative there fortuitously just given the coincidence of your
visit. Lastly, for the third year in a row our City was named among the top
digital cities in the country for its size, a long time digital leader with a first
place win in 2016 and second in 2014. We're not happy with our fourth
place digital finish, but it's the result of initiatives still acknowledging our Apps Challenge Playbook, use of social media, cloud-based technology and
our civic technologies center. That's all I have to report. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you.
Oral Communications
Mayor Holman: With that, our next item on the agenda is Oral Communications. We have something a little bit different that we're going
to do in this regard. We will do Oral Communications, and we have five
speakers to that. Because our labor negotiations were moved from Item 1
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to our last item on tonight's agenda, we're also going to offer that people
who are here from SEIU, who had intended to come and speak early, the
opportunity to speak to Item Number 1 as well. We will do that first. We
have also six speakers from SEIU who would like to speak to Item Number 1
which still is conference with labor negotiators, employee organizations. I
won't read the whole title but it includes Service Employees International
Union, SEIU, Local 521. That is the item that—my understanding is that the
six members of the SEIU would care to speak. If you would come to the
front when you hear your name called, that would be most helpful. You'll
have up to three minutes. Joseph Duran to be followed by Lynn Krug.
Again, if you'd come to the front when you hear your name called, that will
help us move through this. Thank you.
Joseph Duran, SEIU: Good evening, Council. Thank you. Hopefully
(crosstalk).
Mayor Holman: I believe you need to pull the mike up a little bit. Thank
you.
Mr. Duran: My name is Joseph Duran. I'm a facilities mechanic at the
Municipal Service Center. I moved to Palo Alto in 1990 with my mom and
my brother. We lived in a two-bedroom apartment in affordable housing on
Park Boulevard. My mom worked on the street at Say Ray Foreign Auto
shop, where she still works today. I went to Nixon Elementary as a sixth
grader, then to JLS and Jordan and Paly. Moving to Palo Alto provided me
with an opportunity to see a new way in life. It's amazing how crossing a
bridge can change everything. My family moved from Palo Alto to Fremont
in 1997. After completing a heating and air conditioning program and
working for some time, the City of Palo Alto called and offered me a facilities
mechanic position. My excitement in that moment was unreal. The prospect
of working in Palo Alto was exciting to say the least. Fast forward five years,
and here we are. I'm still excited to come to work every day. I've come to
learn that Palo Altans expect the best from their public services and
facilities, and we strive to meet those expectations. In my five years, I have
also seen many experienced employees leave for better opportunities and
compensation, which makes it increasingly difficult for operations to meet the residents' expectations. In order to recruit and retain quality employees
who meet the City's high standards, compensation needs to reflect the
competition and the living reality. Living in the Bay Area has become
increasingly more difficult. Rent alone takes nearly half of my monthly
income. Mix in food for five and all other necessities and daily living brings new meaning to living on a shoestring. As a City worker who has invested in
the City and on behalf of my colleagues, I appeal to you to reinvest into your
City employees. Thank you for your attention tonight. Let us bridge the gap
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that is causing Palo Alto to lose its competitive edge. Together let's preserve
Palo Alto's premier City services. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Lynn Krug to be followed by Matt Johnson.
Again, if folks would move to the front, that's really helpful. Thank you.
Lynn Krug, SEIU: Good evening, City Council Members. I'm Lynn Krug,
Chapter Chair of SEIU employees for the City of Palo Alto. I've worked for
the City of Palo Alto for 15 years and lived here for 12 of those years. I love
Palo Alto, and I take great pride in my work and dedication to serving the
residents of Palo Alto. When you talk about being a residentialist, I think
that includes all the people in the face of Palo Alto which are the frontline
employees which are the SEIU employees. We are extremely dedicated, we
carry the institutional knowledge, and we have a personal investment in our
City and all its services. We believe in quality service and dedicate ourselves
to ever improving the lives of Palo Alto residents. It is the residents of Palo Alto that gain from the institutional knowledge of our Enterprise Fund
utilities. We are about the maintenance, best practice and performance of
our utilities. We consider the long-term function and sustainability of our
utilities. As Palo Alto employees, we have an investment in making sure the
residents get the best service possible, and we will continue to do so. Thank
you very much.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Matt Johnson to be followed by Raymond
Herrera.
Matt Johnson, SEIU: Thank you for your time, Mayor and Council Members.
I appreciate you giving us the opportunity here. I'm currently in the
wastewater industry. I've been in it for—thank you. I've been in the
industry now for 23 years. The past 15 years, I have worked at the Water
Quality Control Plant here in the City of Palo Alto. At 15 years, I'm just
about the longest term operator there right now. The high rate of turnover
in operations is causing a constant training of new Staff. It takes about four
years for a competent, Grade 2 worker as far as the Grade 2 operations
goes. In my opinion, the advanced treatment that we do there, a Grade 2
operation is about our minimum requirement. In general, we are having a
major attraction and retention issue for all jobs at the plant. In the past years, many operators who would normally have 5, 10, 15 years with us
recently have gone. Now the norm is three to four years before people are
jumping ship and leaving the City. We need to have better compensation,
better pay as well as being able to afford to live closer. The reason they are
leaving is for better pay, better compensation, and they can afford to live closer to where they live, which is often an hour, two hours away. In the
last few years, we have had a difficult time attracting State-certified Grade 2
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operators and have only been hiring trainees and Grade 1's. The difference
between a Grade 1 as far as the State's concerned, you have to work at the
wastewater plant for a year before they allow you to take your Grade 1
certificate. After two years of holding a Grade 1, they allow you to take a
Grade 2 certificate. At that point in time, you're starting to be trained up to
a competent operator. The problem with short-term employees, as many of
you know, is the quality of training and workmanship since a large part of
the job is on-the-job training, for example, knowing where the shutoff valves
and where to turn on and off pumps in emergency situations. Keep in mind
many of these valves are buried and in the ground in other locations in areas
that you wouldn't even think a valve should be there to control water on the
other side of the plant. Some examples of local cities that have had high
turnover and experienced problems in their operations we all know is San
Jose, a lot of turnovers lately. In the past year, they have discharged over 85,000 gallons of untreated sewage into the waterways. Oakland has a hard
time retaining operation personnel. They've also had discharges into the
Bay. Palo Alto recently has had discharges into the Bay. Of course, we all
remember Mill Valley, 2 million gallons. People lost their jobs over that from
the State; the City was fined. We are constantly on the ragged edge at
water quality in my opinion, for the high turnover of employees to find
better compensation and better working conditions. We have spent many
long hours—excuse me. I have given you this list of compensation in other
districts.
Mayor Holman: You can provide that to the Clerk, and she'll make copies, if
you would. Thank you. Raymond Herrera to be followed by Mary Sekator.
Raymond Herrera, SEIU: Hello. How are you doing? I'm Raymond Herrera.
I'm a journeyman electric distribution system operator. I came here from
San Diego; seven years experience working for Sempra. Coming up here
was the best career move I ever made. The City's been good to me, really
good. Everyone's talked about shorthandedness and contract negotiations.
I'll keep it short. Electricity is 24 hours, doesn't stop, 24/7/365. When the
public, some of these people if they have a partial outage or no power, they
call in. When the public calls in, they talk to Jesse, our senior guy, or myself. A 24-hour system run by two guys. If we could physically do it with
just us two, we would. We rotate on-call every opposite week. For me, it's
okay but when you get a call at 2:00 a.m. from police and fire on-scene and
they've got a tree in the wire it's tearing up and they call us in. I'm driving
into work and I get the call from dispatch saying, "They're worried. What's your ETA? What's your ETA?" That's what motivates me; that's what
frustrates me. I can't drive any faster than I am. When I see the public, I
see the police and fire kind of waiting for it to be energized, and it may take
us up to an hour, when I get in there. I'll switch over the phone systems, do
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what I have to do to isolate it, whether to get a crew or by the SCADA
system, we can make it safe. Now, doing this for seven years, I have not
been in a position to where I take the phone home and there may be a call.
For me, sometimes the anxiety kicks in, but you know you care. If you don't
care or don't respect electricity, you're in the wrong career. We need help.
We need operators. Before I came, four operators got poached to Santa
Clara. More recently, two weeks ago, a guy we were training left to Santa
Clara. That was devastating for me because I thought he would stay. When
I got there, Jesse thought I would leave. He wouldn't even talk to me. He
was like "You're going to go." The other thing is what we do, which is key.
If PG&E—we communicate with them from about 101. If they cut us off or if
something happens and we have a rolling blackout, etc., it's up to us to
redirect the power starting with our critical customers, Stanford Hospital,
police, fire, customers and probably City Hall last. That's what we do. Apart from talking to customers at 101, from a larger scale we control basically all
electricity goes through this office, goes through our little 12 x 20 SCADA
screen. We can't do it by ourselves. I like working for the City. Again, you
guys—I put on 20 pounds; you guys are taking care of me here. We just
can't do it alone. I don't have time for a haircut. We just need the help.
You guys hear our voices. They're going to negotiate what they have to
negotiate, but we need operators. Two guys running a 24-hour system, we
just need help. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Come back any time. Mary Sekator to be
followed by Peggy Quillman.
Mary Sekator, SEIU: Hello, Council. My name is Mary Sekator. I've worked
for the City for 25 years, one of the many longest employees. This is on
behalf of my colleagues and the Palo Alto regional wastewater treatment
plant and my fellow City employees and SEIU Local 521. At the wastewater
treatment plant, we prevent public health crises, protect marine life and
assure water quality for this City and its residents. Palo Alto is a premier
city, large in part to its professional, skilled and knowledgeable City
employees. To keep the City great, we ask you to thoughtfully consider our
union proposals and carefully evaluate the challenges ahead. We have lost many dedicated wastewater treatment plant operators and employees,
because they understandably left for higher wages and better benefits. We
are losing skilled and professional City workers every day from all
departments. Even Valerie Fong, the City's Utilities Director, has
acknowledged that staffing turnover is a critical issue. She told the Palo Alto Weekly in the November 19th issue that she fears institutional knowledge is
leaving the City and that the focus has to be making sure that we have in
place folks who can carry on. As we already face uphill battles in
maintaining our deteriorating wastewater treatment plant—I know we've had
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tours; many Council Members have come—we have to stop the revolving
door of new employees at the treatment plant and in all departments. They
come, they train, they leave. It's an ongoing battle. We ask that you think
of the future of Palo Alto when you consider our proposals. Our proposals
will help recruit and retain valuable employees so we can preserve Palo
Alto's premier City services. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you, and thank you for your service. Our final
member of SEIU to speak to us this evening is Peggy Quillman.
Peggy Quillman, SEIU: Good evening, and thank you for letting us speak a
little bit earlier than we otherwise would. Some of us have long commutes
and have to be at work pretty early in the morning. I'm Peggy Quillman;
I've worked at the Palo Alto Library since 1989. When I was waiting in the
lobby, I saw the pictures of some of the iconic buildings here in Palo Alto. I
noticed that two of them are libraries. Palo Alto is proud of its libraries, and we should be proud of them. The residents very much appreciate the
libraries. In fact, all of the services provided by the City are considered
important and part of the Palo Alto way. Experienced employees are
dedicated to providing quality services for Palo Alto residents. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Thank you all for indulging us while we
reshuffled our agenda this evening for necessary reasons. Our real Oral
Communications speakers then, those having spoken to Item Number 1.
The first speaker is Ken Horowitz, to be followed by Subhash Narang, I
believe.
Ken Horowitz: Good evening. My name is Ken Horowitz; I live at 525
Homer Avenue. I really enjoy coming to your Council meetings. I've
learned about the City I've lived in for 35 years. I'm going to take a four-
month sabbatical. I have three issues that I'd like to address tonight that
hopefully will be on your radar for the next number of months. Number one
is Project Safety Net. The money that was allocated, the $2 million, by the
end of this year is going to be all dried up. Mental health is still a big issue,
and hospitalizations of our 15 to 19-year-olds is still increasing. Go to
kidsdata.org and look at the mental health issues. Make sure that Project
Safety Net is on your agenda for the next couple of months. As I said, the $2 million, once the Traffic Watch money is spent, is all dried up. There is
still $2 million, but hopefully you'll make it used for mental health. The
second item—this all relates to Healthy Cities, Healthy Communities—is
about bicycle safety. I've lived here a long time, and I support alternatives
to the car, the automobile. I'm just not sure that bicycle safety is important to Palo Alto right now. I live on Homer Avenue. Unfortunately, bicycles are
not safe. Many of them don't have the proper gear, the proper lights. Most
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of them don't stop for stop signs. Then we have the cars that are driven by
a lot of seniors. I don't think the Council at this point should be encouraging
bicyclists unless there is a dramatic change. Right now, the City streets are
too narrow for bicyclists. I'm fearful that there's going to be some terrible,
terrible accident. I think the City should be addressing, maybe making a
more walkable City rather than a bicycle City. Lastly, healthy aging. I've
addressed the Council before. 755 Page Mill Road is still a vacant site. I'm
hopeful that if it ever comes before the Council, the landlord wants to
convert it to office, that you deny that. He was granted a PUC back in the
'70s. I'd like to still see it kept as a facility for recreational for seniors.
Lastly, since I had a few more minutes, keep an eye out on the Old Pro. I
go there on Saturday nights and Friday nights. Make sure that they're
adhering to the Fire Codes, because it gets really, really crowded there.
Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Subhash Narang to be followed Keith Bennett.
Subhash Narang: Good evening. I'm here to request the Council's help.
Mayor Holman: If you could speak into the microphone, that'd be perfect.
Thank you.
Mr. Narang: Is that better?
Mayor Holman: Yes.
Mr. Narang: Request the Council's help in addressing the dewatering issues
we have in Palo Alto. Mainly we understand from the Staff that they're
looking at this issue. They're going to be studying it further next year.
You'll keep the same policies as we have now in place for construction of
basements, dewatering, those issues. What I would like to request is your
help in making sure that the dewatering is done in a responsible fashion.
One particular issue we have right now that I would like your help is that
there are two houses right next to each other—you have a handout of
those—on Garland Drive which are going to be dewatered, I'm assuming,
starting next spring. One of the houses has already been dewatered for a
short period of time in rather not a comprehensive way. They had to stop
dewatering, and they'll start all over again in spring. There's a house right
next door to it that is also going to be constructing a basement. They're adjoining properties. It will affect about ten houses around this area of
dewatering. I want to make sure that when the City gives the permits to
these people that they stagger this dewatering at least for now, do one at a
time. Do one house for about three months or four months or whatever it
takes, and then start the next one. Otherwise, we'll be taking out too much
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water, and it will endanger the neighboring properties even more than
dewatering of a single house. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Our next speaker is Keith Bennett, to be
followed by Rita Vrhel.
Keith Bennett: I have a presentation that I wanted to show you. I'm trying
to figure out how to ... While we're—there we go. I'd like to thank people
for listening to my comments on this dewatering issue. What I'd like to
discuss tonight is some information that I found very recently, that is to say
in the last few days. There is a detailed study that has been made on the
San Francisquito sub-basin groundwater budget. My degree is in physics,
but what I'm going to talk about tonight is accounting. The storage change,
that is the amount of change of the water in the reservoir, is equal to the
inflow minus the outflow. I have the reference on this presentation which
has also been sent to all the Council Members along with the detailed, full study that was done in East Palo Alto. What this shows is that the inflow for
the entire San Francisquito Creek sub-basin which covers Palo Alto, Menlo
Park, Atherton and Stanford and East Palo Alto—Palo Alto's part is about half
of that—is on the order of 7,000 acre feet a year. However, if the inflow is
not constant, it depends on whether or not we have a drought, so there's
three categories there, irrigation inflow, irrigation percolation and San
Francisquito Creek, that are highly sensitive to local rainfall and water
supplies. The other point I'd like to make is that almost 90 percent of the
inflow to the groundwater is local here; it doesn't come from somewhere
else. It's right here, local, the ground under our feet. For the outflows,
approximately 77 percent are through human use. Almost none of the water
flows to the Bay, despite statements from the City to the contrary. In this
report, an average year is 33 acre feet flow to the Bay. In contrast, Palo
Alto pumped roughly 400 acre feet of water for basement dewatering this
year and dumped all of that water to the Bay. This outflow does not include
future demands. It does not include other cities. It does not include
nonresidential construction, and it does not include the emergency water
supply. I should mention that most of the water in the sub-basin goes to
the deeper aquifer. Taking it out from the input means it's not available for the deeper aquifer on which our emergency wells are based. That's it.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Rita Vrhel to be followed by Stephanie Munoz.
Welcome.
Rita Vrhel: The next slide is a comparison of what 112 to 140 million gallons
of water which was pumped by the 14 residential basement construction projects last year. This is a football field including the goal posts which
would be 270 feet high. Hoover Tower, in comparison, is 280 feet high.
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This equals 40 gallons of water every day for every Palo Alto household for
100 days or it is more groundwater than Stanford used for irrigation last
year or it is the water provided annually from Hetch Hetchy for 4,000 Palo
Alto households or it is 20 percent of East Palo Alto's total annual water
consumption. This is not a small amount of water. We are asking the City
that you implement an immediate moratorium on the issuing of new
dewatering permits for residential basements until State and locally
mandated drought restrictions are lifted and Palo Alto includes a sustainable
groundwater management plan in its Urban Water Master Plan. The bottom
line for us is Palo Alto's policies must respect our groundwater as a valuable
resource, not merely as an inconvenient construction byproduct to be
discarded. That finished up part of Keith's. I also have a presentation, but I
know my time is short. I'm going to give the City Clerk a copy. Tomorrow
is the important City Policy and Services Committee meeting on the topic of groundwater. I would like to encourage everyone, whether you agree with
my opinion or not, to attend this important meeting at 6:00 tomorrow in this
chamber to discuss your feelings about groundwater. Reviewing the Staff
Report recommendations which we find unacceptable, we'll provide a rebut
statement. Most of their assumptions are based on the EIP Associates
report which has two false premises. One is based on page 2 of the
9/24/2008 report, states that shallow water is not potable as it does not
meet the drinking water standards in Palo Alto. Technically, this is true but
many cities, as we know, are treating wastewater. This groundwater could
in an emergency be treated and become potable water. The other false
statement is that deep aquifers are separated from shallow aquifers by
impermeable sediment layers like clay and rock that prevent shallow aquifer
water from reaching the deep aquifer. Therefore, dewatering basement
evacuations have no effect on the deep water aquifers. Our website,
savepaloaltogroundwater.org, has scientific studies that contradict the EIP
statements. We request that the City review those prior to tomorrow's
meeting. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Our final speaker this evening on Oral
Communications is Stephanie Munoz.
Stephanie Munoz: Good evening, Mayor Holman and Council Members.
Thank you for letting me speak. This is the time of the year when we
remember that we are put on Earth to help each other. As a humanist
would say, we are here in this room at this time considering all these
questions because of a propensity of the human race for thousands of years to operate on the principal of helping each other. This trait is mightiest in
the mightiest. It becomes the throned monarch better than his crown.
That's you. You're the throned monarchs. His scepter shows the threat of
armed power. Now, you don't have any scepters, but you have these big
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buildings. You have a police force, and you have power. You have the
power to tell people whether they may buy land and where and what they
may build on it and, having built on it, whether they may live in the house
that they have built. I don't know many kings with that kind of power. His
scepter shows the threat of armed power. Mercy is above this sceptered
sway. It is enthroned in the hearts of men, and earthly power doth then
show liketh gods when mercy seasons justice. I've asked you throughout
the year of some things that I think are good. I think you'd agree that
they're good. I've asked you to help me get the School Board not to destroy
the gym so you could put homeless women in it, because homeless women
have to be sheltered. They do. They do. I've asked you for teacher
housing because we have to have teachers; they have to be put some place.
By the way, all those people that just talked to you, if you had a place where
they could live for as much as they could live over in Stockton or Fremont, then you wouldn't have to pay them so much. I've asked you about Buena
Vista. Many years ago, the County of Santa Clara invited those people, the
Buena Vista class, to people the area which is now in Palo Alto. Palo Alto
invited them to become members of Palo Alto. Then, a few more years
passed, and you unsubscribed them. You disinvited them. I think you
should down-zone Buena Vista again. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. That concludes Oral Communications.
Minutes Approval
5. Approval of Action Minutes for the November 9 and 16, 2015 Council
Meetings.
Mayor Holman: We go now to Minutes Approval. We have action Minutes
from November 9 and 16.
Council Member Scharff: So moved.
Vice Mayor Schmid: Second.
Mayor Holman: Motion by Council Member Scharff and second by Vice
Mayor Schmid to approve the Minutes of November 9 and 16.
MOTION: Council Member Scharff moved, seconded by Vice Mayor Schmid
to approve the Action Minutes for the November 9 and November 16, 2015
Council Meetings.
Mayor Holman: Vote on the board please. We need to vote again please.
There we go. That passes unanimously.
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MOTION PASSED: 9-0
Consent Calendar
Mayor Holman: We have the Consent Calendar. Looking for a Motion on
that please.
Council Member Scharff: So moved.
Council Member Wolbach: Second.
Mayor Holman: Motion by Council Member Schmid, second by Council
Member Wolbach, to approve the Consent Calendar.
Council Member Wolbach: It was actually Council Member Scharff.
Mayor Holman: I'm sorry, Council Member Scharff. It was your voice.
Council Member Scharff: Any Greg will (inaudible).
Mayor Holman: Yeah. The Gregs. Council Member Scharff, second by
Council Member Wolbach, to approve the Consent Calendar as presented.
MOTION: Council Member Scharff moved, seconded by Council Member Wolbach to approve Agenda Item Numbers 6-18.
6. Approval of Transformer Supplier Pre-Qualification Process and
Authorization to Spend up to $1,000,000 per Year With any of the
Qualified Vendor(s) Over the Next Five Years, Total of not to Exceed
$5,000,000 for the Purchase of Electric Distribution Transformers
Required to Provide Service to Customers.
7. Resolution 9562 Entitled, “Resolution of the Council of the City of Palo
Alto Adopting a Complete Streets Policy to Maintain the City's Eligibility
for Regional Transportation Funding.”
8. Review and Approval of Proposed Bicycle and Pedestrian
Improvements Along Bryant Street, Redwood Circle, Carlson Court, Ely
Place, Duncan Place, Creekside Drive, Nelson Drive, Shasta Drive and
MacKay Drive.
9. Policy and Services Committee Recommendation to Accept the
Auditor's Office Quarterly Report as of June 30, 2015.
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10. Approval of a Contract Amendment With VOX Network Solutions,
Contract Number C12144216 for Additional Phone Equipment and
Maintenance in the Amount of $159,899.
11. Approval of Contract Number C16159083 With Cleary Brothers
Landscape in the Amount of $831,781 for the Mayfield Soccer Complex
Synthetic Turf Replacement Project (Stanford Palo Alto Playing Field,
Capital Improvement Project PG-13001).
12. Approval of a Contract With California Land Management Corporation
in the Amount of $127,434 for the First Year of Service for Park
Ranger Patrol Services in Palo Alto's Urban Parks, Byxbee Park and
Baylands Nature Preserve.
13. Approval of Blanket Purchase Order With Hill Brothers Chemical
Company in an Amount not to Exceed $536,461 for the Purchase of
Bulk Magnesium Hydroxide for the Water Quality Control Plant and Approval of Two One Year Extensions.
14. Authorization to Amend the Legal Services Agreement With the Law
Offices of Renne Sloan Holtzman & Sakai LLP to add $45,000 for a
Total Not to Exceed Amount of $95,000 for Litigation Defense
Services.
15. Request for Pre-Screening of a Proposed Hotel Development at 744-
750 San Antonio Road (to be Scheduled for December 7, 2015).
16. Approval of a Contract With Peninsula Corridor Joint Powers Board in
the Amount of $89,490 for 2016 Caltrain Go Pass Program.
17. Approval of Amendment Number Four to Contract Number S13149754
to add $120,000 for a Total Amount not to Exceed $336,000 and
Amendment Number Two to Contract Number S15155809 to add
$25,000 for a Total Amount not to Exceed $50,000 With Renne Sloan
Holtzman & Sakai LLP Public Law Group for Labor Negotiations
Services and to Extend Both Contract Terms to June 30, 2016.
18. Ordinance 5363 Entitled, “Ordinance of the Council of the City of Palo
Alto Establishing a Single Story Overlay District for 83 Homes Within
the Los Arboles Tract by Amending the Zoning Map to Rezone the Area
From R-1 Single Family Residential and R-1 (7,000) to R-1(S) and R-1(7,000)(S) Single Family Residential With Single Story Overlay.
Environmental Assessment: Exempt From the California Environmental
Quality Act per Section 15305 (FIRST READING: November 9, 2015
PASSED 9-0).”
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Mayor Holman: Vote on the board please. That also passes unanimously.
MOTION PASSED: 9-0
Mayor Holman: With that, it has been brought to my attention that we've
had a lot of people with us this evening. It's been brought to my attention
that probably most of the people here are here for the single-story overlay.
If you're here for the single-story overlay, would you stand for a moment?
If you would sit, please. If you're here to speak to the fiber matter, would
you stand? It looks as though we'll be taking these items in order, because
we have a number of people to speak to both of these items. Again, bear
with us. For Council Members' information, the Closed Session tonight,
while it's slated for an hour, looks like it's going to take 15, maybe 20,
minutes. Keep that in mind.
20. Approval of Staff’s Plan to Simultaneously Pursue Response to
Council’s Motion on Fiber-to-the-Premises Master Plan and Wireless
Network Plan and Continuation of Negotiations With Google Fiber,
AT&T; Approval and Authorization for the City Manager to Execute
Amendments to two Contracts With Columbia Telecommunications
Corporation dba CTC Technology & Energy Extending Each Contract
Term Through June 30, 2016 and Increasing Compensation Under: (1)
Contract Number C15152568 by $94,490 for a Total not to Exceed
Amount of $226,140; and (2) Contract Number C15152569 by
$58,850 for a Total not to Exceed Amount of $203,794; Approval of a
Temporary Fiber and Wireless Senior Program Manager Position for
Three Years at $228,000/Year; and Budget Amendment Ordinance
5364 Entitled, “Budget Amendment Ordinance of the Council of the
City of Palo Alto for Fiscal Year 2016 to Provide Appropriation in the
Amount of $172,850.”
Mayor Holman: Item Number 20, approval of Staff's plan to simultaneously
pursue response to the Council's motion on Fiber to the Premises Master
Plan and Wireless Network Plan and continuation of negotiations with Google
Fiber, AT&T; approval and authorization for the City Manager to execute
amendments to two contracts with Columbia Telecommunications
Corporation d/b/a CTC Technology and Energy, extending each contract term through June 30, 2016 and increasing compensation under, one,
Contract Number C—I won't read all the numbers—by $94,490 and a total
not to exceed $226,140 and, two, another contract for a $58,850 for a total
not to exceed $203,000; and approval of a temporary Fiber and Wireless
Senior Program Manager position for three years at $228,000 a year; and adoption of a related Budget Amendment Ordinance for Fiscal Year 2016 to
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provide appropriation in the amount of $172,850. It's a very long title. Jim,
would you care to follow that up?
James Keene, City Manager: Thank you, Madam Mayor. Obviously as you
can see, it's a very simple subject. If I could lead in before the Staff does a
presentation. I think it's safe to say when I saw a preview late this
afternoon and what we were looking at doing, the Staff presentation is
primarily focused on responding and updating the Council on the various
aspects of the motion that you essentially kind of read there and that the
Council passed at your meeting on September 28th. That being said, this is
an evolving dialog and conversation. I know we've got some interest by
Council Members on where we are, different ways of looking at this. We
have a very intelligent and passionate and engaged Citizens Advisory
Committee. The Council has received a letter, a memorandum, this
weekend from the CAC related to this issue. I don't think that we want to look at the Staff presentation as encompassing all of the conversation that
will take place tonight. I've asked the Staff if we could move pretty quickly
through the presentation, understanding that we would expect that there will
probably be a lot of back-and-forth and interaction between the Council and
the Staff. I think you'll also want to benefit from hearing from the public
speakers who may be here also, before we get into lots and lots of the
details of this item. Did that undermine you, Jonathan?
Jonathan Reichental, Chief Information Officer: No, that's perfect. Thank
you so much, City Manager Jim Keene. I'm Jonathan Reichental, the City's
Chief Information Officer. Thank you, Mayor Holman, Vice Mayor Schmid, all
Council Members. It's always one of the greatest privileges of my life to do
this type of thing, so thank you for the opportunity. I also want to thank the
Citizens Advisory Committee who are out in force here this evening, in the
audience, for the terrific and continued passion and work they're doing. I
want to thank my colleagues from across Utilities and IT and actually from
almost every part of the City for the important contributions they're making
as we work through this complicated topic. Thank you. I'm here this
evening to bring forward three Staff recommendations to continue progress
on the motion from the end of September as well as to give you an update on our progress since that time. I'll just sort of walk through this slide and
add any color I can to the work items. The motion items are under tasks,
and then Staff has made an intelligent estimation of the time in which things
will be completed. Those dates are up to that date, so there are areas we
anticipate things could happen faster, but we wanted to give the top end of where things are. The first motion item, quick update. We had talked about
having the Community Advisory Committee have a discussion with our
consultants to determine if there was agreement on the costs that were put
forward for the cost of building and operating a fiber to the premise network
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and, if there were documents, to document those. That work is well
underway. We've had one formal meeting, and we have another formal
meeting between the CAC and the CTC this week as well as a high volume of
both email and telephone exchanges responding to questions from the CAC.
We anticipate that work will be done before the end of this year, so within
the next few weeks. We were instructed by Council to begin discussions
with particularly two third-parties on the idea of a co-build, Google Fiber and
AT&T. The detail here is that we did want to determine clarification on the
word "co-build." Initially the Council motion talks about a co-build being
putting conduit in the ground. We've recently had a memo from the CAC,
the Citizens Advisory Committee, with a very different definition which
they've submitted and probably will talk to this evening. Once we've
established an agreement on what the co-build is, we have identified the
person, the leader, at Google to have the discussion with within just a few days, once we coordinate that with the appropriate City Staff. We have not
yet engaged with AT&T, but we'll have progress on that within also a few
days. I'll try to make some pace here. The City Council instructed us to
immediately start to work on a dig-once ordinance, and the City Attorney
may speak to this a little later in the presentation. There's some depth to
that as well as really a lot of strategy to be determined. This possibly is a
strategy determination effort initially. We will talk to the RFI request. This
is to look to the marketplace to see who may partner with the City under
different models; I'll talk to that later. Here's some updates on the wireless
plan. You'll see the first item here, we have to update the forecasts. Those
have been completed. The remaining items, you'll see, are for additional
costs to be determined. Then moving forward once we get approval on the
funds to develop the RFP, we will begin moving forward with that unless we
get a reprioritization guidance from Council this evening. That is a status
quickly of all the motion items. Here's some supporting data. I do want to
let you know that discussions with Google Fiber has taken again additional
intensity over the last few days and weeks as they prepare for a Bay Area
announcement, what looks like now January of 2016. I'll let Google make
their own—sort of use their own words around this, but everything indicates their inclination towards moving forward in the five Bay Area cities including
Palo Alto. You'll see that the needs in order to move forward with them are
considerable. Documents like the master license agreement for utility poles
is a document which requires input from Public Works, from Planning, from
the Attorney's Office. These are detailed documents that will be coming to the Council very soon as a matter of public record, the documentation and
needs of Google for San Jose on their docket for December 1st. We don't
have anything yet in the public record around the other three cities. Toward
giving you a quick update on AT&T and their efforts to come to Palo Alto.
Just to confirm once again, they are coming to Palo Alto to bring their
service called GigaPower which is a gigabit fiber service. They've submitted
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their first permit. It just so happened to be on top of a gas line, so we're
working through that. More to come. It's AT&T's intention to provide the
first houses access to gigabit broadband during the calendar of 2016. One
other thing I wanted to say, if I could just quickly go to Google, because it
reminded me when I looked at the AT&T area, was since we last spoke I had
talked to you about Google strategy which is a fiberhood strategy; they only
deploy fiber where there's interest. They're now communicating to us
they've changed that strategy, and their intent is to bring fiber in front of
every home in Palo Alto with some very small exceptions possibly in the
Foothills area, but it would be rare. In terms of AT&T, their initial proposal
that they're going to go forward with is about half of Palo Alto. Their model
is to basically build wherever people are prepared to pay. If they get a very
good uptake on the upgrades and buy-in, they will go further than 50
percent. 50 percent is their first commitment, and it's across Palo Alto. The next area is when I first was asked to engage in this project—it's now
coming up on a little less than three years—the City Council ask was
relatively narrow in terms of our own pursuit of municipal broadband, at
least to get some engineering studies completed. We think we staffed it
appropriate, but 2 1/2, almost three years later the extent of the complexity
of what we're doing now is notably different. Not only has the motion and
City Council asks gotten more complicated, but we are engaged with Google
and AT&T. What we've discovered is the capacity and skill sets of Staff have
peaked. In order to make rapid progress and really give this 1,000 percent,
we need a very talented expert telecommunications person to lead the
technical pieces of this and the rallying of department Staff in order that we
can deliver on these complex areas. What we're asking for is some
temporary help up to three years. We phrase that that way because if 1 1/2
years from now we don't need the help, we don't have to continue it. We
anticipate, based on what we know today, that there will be quite a lot of
activities in that sort of time horizon. Finally, based on our analysis and
planning for the response to the motion items, it became clear that we
needed additional help from our consultants that did the planning work, the
engineering studies, specifically to issue the appropriate RFI to the marketplace, be able to vet vendors, respond to vendors. In addition, there
are multiple RFPs that were requested for wireless, and we need some
assistance with that. We're also looking for some strategic assistance with
the dig-once request, which again has some complexity to it. There are two
amounts that we're asking for tonight to help with that. One is on the fiber to the home contract of $58,850. You can see what it involves there.
Finally, there are a lot of pieces to the wireless work that you asked us to do
based on the September 28th motion that amounts to $94,490. If I could
just summarize. I wanted to do this very brief so we could hear and have
the most amount of dialog tonight. What we're asking for tonight is support
to further the goals of the motion which Staff enthusiastically support and
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want to move forward rapidly with. We do need some guidance on the
detailed memo that the Citizens Advisory Committee have put together,
which proposes a revised definition of a co-build. Through the dialog this
evening, if we can get some clarity around the prioritization, we will know
exactly what to be working on concurrently and in sequence, so that we can
make the type of progress that we all know that we want.
Mr. Keene: Thank you. Madam Mayor, if I just might add something?
Thanks, Jonathan. I kind of want to talk to the Council just a little bit
differently than we typically do here. I would imagine that a number of you
ought to be pretty well confused about what it is we're bringing to you right
now. Once you start to hear from the CAC and some of the other comments
and questions, some of you may be like completely on point with what we're
talking about, and others of you may still say, "There's a lot of moving
pieces here. What are we talking about?" What Jonathan and the Staff have done with their report is what sort of automatically we'd typically have
to do with our process, which is the Council has publicly and formally issued
a directive and we're coming back and responding to that directive. The fact
is that there was lack of clarity in the directive even identified as the CAC
looked at it. There are implications to almost how we prioritize or triage the
recommendations that we've been given. I don't think we can ignore the
fact that there are time factors more at play in some parts of the
recommendation than others. The fact that, say, a Google or something
may make an announcement in January has a different bearing on some of
the choices we make perhaps than even, say, completing the criticism or the
analysis of the consultant's methodology and dollars and those sorts of
things. We've sort of reported on things almost as if they should all be
proceeding apace, but I think one of the things we really need to do is get
the glossary straight tonight, so when we're talking about some basic terms,
all of us know what we're talking about; that we get clear about really what
the real objective is and how that relates to time; and that we understand
roughly what the sequence and the priorities of things are. That being said,
it's all real theoretical right now. My sense is, having read the CAC's memo,
the great meeting we had with the Committee just before the holidays in mid-November, I don't think it is all that complicated. I think it does require
we stay focused. Just for fun, later I'll show you, I'll see whether I was
right. I've taken the Staff Report, the CAC's memos and everything else and
I've boiled it down to this one little diagram right here that ties it all together
potentially. I'll wait on that to just sort of see how well our understanding has been about where we are. We will want to have an interactive
discussion, I think, here to best facilitate where things are. I would say
this—I don't mean this as a criticism at all. I wasn't here at the meeting on
the 28th. We had been proceeding on a directive over at least an 18-month
period that was well established by the Council. The direction you took on
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the 28th was, I would say, a significant departure from that prior direction,
obviously driven by a sense of opportunities, concern about opportunities
that could even be lost if we didn't sort of add these additional directives.
We're in a very interesting moment right now of just trying to get really
clear about what those are and how we quickly proceed and get those
answers to it. I would hope by the time we're done with this item, where we
started out will be noticeably clearer and all on the same page. I would
imagine that there will be some changes of a sort to the directives that
you've already given us by the end of tonight. Some of these things will be
fine tuned or adjusted in some way. Thanks.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much. Did you have anything else,
Jonathan?
Mr. Reichental: I don't. Thank you so much.
Mayor Holman: Great. We have a few speakers to speak to this item. You'll have up to three minutes. What I'd like to suggest, if you could do it
in two and you'll know when you've come to two minutes because the yellow
light will come on. If you can do it in two, that would be great. It's one of
those evenings where we're very fortunate how involved and engaged this
community is, and it's an evening where we've had a great number of
people who have shown up to speak to a lot of the items this evening.
Thank you all for coming. That's no disrespect to that; it's just we have a
full agenda. With that, our first speaker is Robert Smith, to be followed by
Jeff Hoel.
Robert Smith: Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm afraid I'm going to
have to say something rather different than what I've prepared based on the
excellent presentation from the City Staff. My basic message was that I see
no reason for the City of Palo Alto to expend any funds or any control or
ownership to build or operate municipal fiber. That was the argument I was
going to make and some specific reasons to that. I would presume with
Google and AT&T moving forward apparently that you would be less inclined
to do any of those things than you otherwise might have been. Please let's
keep that in mind. As far as the specific proposals, I'm only learning a little
bit about this dig-once rule, and I'm beginning to be a bit nervous about it. It sounds excellent to say, "Let's not tear up the streets over and over
again." We've all seen this happen. It's a tragedy; it's stupid. If that rule
were used to alter or manipulate the competitive landscape, I think that
would be a mistake. We want competition here. We want different vendors
coming in and trying to satisfy us. I think that's what we're looking to have. I hope that's great. I just would like you to make things continue in that
competitive way and not become too interested in too much control or
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manipulation over it. As far as the expenditures you're considering to make,
I can't really evaluate them. From one sense, it sounds like a lot. From one
sense, it doesn't sound like much. You might consider waiting. I mean, if
you're within a few weeks here of getting major announcements that might
alter what you'd be spending and how you'd be spending it, you might
consider waiting until that happens. It does seem after 17 years of
discussing this, since 1998, to let a few weeks force you to make a decision.
Be a little careful about that. What's $1 million between friends, I suppose?
Anyway, congratulations; you've been able to get some progress with
Google and AT&T. Let's get Comcast to join the party too, and we'll be in
business. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much. Jeff Hoel to be followed by Peter
Allen.
Jeff Hoel: I'll take sort of the opposite point of view. I'm talking right into it now. When you heard the CTC report on October 28th, I think you
discovered [audio break] reported real data, so you told Staff, "Go away and
come back with the real data that supports this report," which I think is still
necessary. I was expecting to see some of that data tonight, but I don't see
any of it. At a couple of the CA [audio break] the CTC report says it's
$1,357, but Longmont, Colorado is able to do that for $596 instead per
premises. It would be really important to get the data to figure out why CTC
thinks it costs so much more. At the November 12th meeting, somebody on
Staff actually confessed, "We can't give you some of this information
because CTC says it's proprietary." Now, that's a pretty revolting
development, that you can't even look in to find out whether the report says
the right information because the consultant that wrote the report says it's
proprietary. I think that's really unsatisfactory. Regarding the recent CAC
memo, I would urge Council not to put all your eggs in the basket of building
the muni system as a co-build. I think that's still an experimental idea that
we haven't received any substantiation from Google about. My feeling is we
would be much better off to build our own municipal system and tell Google
to take a walk. I'm glad that Vice Mayor Schmid put into the public record
that if Council says Google shouldn't come, then Google has promised not to come. Thanks very much.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Peter Allen to be followed by—I apologize
here—Per Hjartoy.
Peter Allen: Good evening. Are we on? Good evening, Honorable Council
Members. I'm Peter Allen. I've been a resident of Palo Alto for about 30 years. We are on the threshold perhaps of being able to repeat something
that happened a little over 100 years ago; we created a utility. This time we
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could possibly create our seventh utility, information. I've leased dark fiber
from the City from at least three companies that I've been with here in Palo
Alto. I was a member of our fiber to the home trial. I know what it's like to
have fiber service to your house. It's fantastic. Everyone in this town
deserves it. I have actually been involved with this fiber to the premises or
fiber to the home effort for over 15 years here, well over half of my 30-year
stewardship here. For some reason, I feel like I'm qualified to tell you that
your Citizens Advisory Committee knows what they're talking about. They're
good people. I'd like to set in your minds a simple framework for the
creation of a seventh utility this evening. Do you have more than one
electric line coming to your house? Do you have more than one water line
coming to your house? Is there more than one street in front of your house?
This is a utility, folks. You're not going to have AT&T and Comcast and
Google coming to each home. The first one who gets fiber to your house wins. You're done. What I'm asking you tonight in the words of one of our
citizens in the audience, Bryan Reed, whom you may know from some of his
career here in town. I'm asking you to not let the taxi company own the
road. We need to own this utility. You can own the streets, but have the
lights operated by another company. You can own the physical
infrastructure, and you can have someone else actually operate it. We
should build it. We should make sure everyone gets a connection. Those
that want it can have it lit up. IF FedEx owned 101 or the streets in our last
mile here, do you think the United States Post Office would be competitive?
Do you think Emery or all the other delivery companies would have a
competitive advantage? I don't think so. Would PG&E—do you think they
can be part of our last mile here? No, we own that. We deserve to own our
own information utility. Please make this a partnership for us to own and
someone else to operate it. Let's build our seventh utility and not let the
taxi company own the road. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Per Hjartoy to be followed by Bob Moss.
Per Hjartoy: Good evening, Council. This is my first time in a Council
meeting. I frankly thought I would never be here. I lived in the City for 11
years. I run a small business. Like many other here, I obviously deeply involved in technology. One of the things that I do do is I am often called
upon as an expert witness in federal court as an expert. Obviously I'm used
to dealing with bureaucracy and the legal side of things. I was like many
others very enamored when I heard that while Google is going to come here
because then that will hopefully shake up the landscape in Palo Alto. Most of my time here, the 11 years, I've been basically arguing and fighting with
both AT&T and Comcast. I have ended up actually even being visited by one
of the vice presidents of Comcast and could prove to them that they have a
broken network. Why is this so important to me? I make my living out of
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relying upon a good network. Where my daughter lives, she has a very
simple fiber with 100 megabits per second Ethernet which is not much on
the fiber. Because it's a symmetrical job, the quality and what we can do on
that little thing in her apartment at $30 a month is just astonishing. What I
work on today is what you will work and use tomorrow. We are in desperate
need of getting a better network infrastructure. Unfortunately Google, which
I thought would provide that, when you start to dig into the details of what
actually they are going to deploy, that would not be sufficient. That is not
adequate for the work that I do. It would not be adequate for what you
want to do tomorrow. They have very different motives for why they want
to put in the network. It does not jive with those of us who live in this City
and create technology. We are really, really dependent upon that you are
giving a neutral network that we can take on and deliver further. It's just
like the speaker said, we need something. We need a single provider. We need the single into our house. I do not want that to be controlled by either
AT&T, Google or anyone else. I want my public utility delivered, because
this is my livelihood. This is my entertainment. This is what I do in this
City. I hope you will consider taking charge of the network and provide us
something that is neutral, that all of us can use for the best for the
community. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Our next speaker is Bob Moss. If you want to
speak to this item, if you could turn your card in by the time Mr. Moss is
complete. Our next speaker will be Bob Harrington.
Robert Moss: Thank you, Mayor Holman and Council Members. Fiber to the
premises is not a new concept in Palo Alto. The cable co-op was actively
working on it 20 years ago. In 1999, we funded a study by Media
Connections Group in San Francisco. They gave a cost estimate to put fiber
to 100-home nodes, saying 100-home nodes is ridiculous. The industry
standard is 1,000-home nodes. That's what AT&T, by the way, is talking
about doing today. We wouldn't go for that. Doing 100-home nodes to the
entire franchise area, Palo Alto, East Palo Alto, Menlo Park, Atherton, San
Mateo County, would cost $25 million. The bandwidths, download and
upload speeds, would be far greater than anything AT&T or Comcast or Google is likely to offer you. Having high capacity internet connections is
extremely valuable. It will make it much more attractive in Palo Alto for
corporations to move here, especially those that are internet dependent
where they provide internet services. It will allow an awful lot of people to
do telecommuting from home instead of driving to work. It'll make government actions much more efficient. You'll be able to tie very high
speed internet connections from City Hall to every government facility, fire
stations, police stations, so on. There's a lot of benefits to getting it done
and getting it done right. If you go out to talk to AT&T and Google and any
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of the other organizations, here are the questions you should ask them.
How many properties will be serviced per node? Are you going to stick with
the old-fashioned 1,000 units or will you be willing to go down to 100? What
will the bandwidth be that's offered? What will the download speeds be?
What will the upload speeds be? What speeds will you guarantee? A lot of
these organizations say, "We'll give you 1 gigabit." If 12 people log on at
the same time, the speed drops to a couple of megabits. When you talk to
these organizations, find out in detail what they will offer and do they have
real experience in providing it or are they just pulling things out of the air.
Don't be afraid to debate with them. Don't be afraid to argue with them.
Don't be afraid to ask for the finest, highest quality system you can possibly
get. Also, we have a City-owned fiber ring. How will that integrate and
what will that do to benefit the system that's set up? We need a lot of
information from these organizations. Don't be shy asking for it.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much. Bob Harrington—Bob, are you
speaking for the CAC or for yourself?
Bob Harrington: Just for myself. We haven't really had any votes as a CAC
in total. We have a memo that we've sent to Council that five of the six of
us signed along with the Utility Advisory Commissioner. These are individual
comments, individual thoughts.
Mayor Holman: If you're going to be here, there may be some questions for
you later, too.
Mr. Harrington: Sure, that'd be great.
Mayor Holman: Great. Bob, carry on. The next speaker is Herb Borock.
Mr. Harrington: I'm Bob Harrington. I've lived in Palo Alto for 46 years and
been involved with the fiber initiative for 16 along with Peter. The time has
come for Palo Alto to choose a fiber network strategy for our City that will
materially impact our community's communication opportunities for at least
decades to come. Do we go with just the closed network guys or do we
welcome them to town at the same time as we seek a cooperative
agreement with one of them that results in an open, Citywide dark fiber
network that our City can afford? The investment to expand our existing
and very successful dark fiber network could come from just a $20 million Fiber Fund Reserve which in turn has come from fiber user fees. There's no
taxpayer money involved. The time is exactly right for a cooperative
discussion leading to a framework of an agreement with one of the fiber
network builders coming to town. Ideally this will be accomplished before
your December 14th Council meeting. We suggest Council direct Staff to seek a cooperative discussion with Google and AT&T leading to a dig-once,
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pull-once agreement with one of them. I could either come up or you could
ask questions at any point. Thanks.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much. Herb Borock to be followed by Donn
Lee.
Herb Borock: Mayor Holman and Council Members, a couple of speakers
have said that it should just be a single fiber connection and that it should
be owned by the City, that it's essentially an actual monopoly. The Citizens
Advisory Committee Members are telling you that there should be such a
single connection and it should be Google. I tend to see the memo from the
CAC as Google negotiating with itself. That is what the memo suggests;
although, it points out maybe it could be AT&T if not Google that the City
should pay to enable Google to connect everybody. Not just residences
which is what their $300 sort of lifeline amount is, but connect that to
everyone including businesses and have Google light up its fiber, but have the City not light up its fiber. Maybe it would use some of this fiber in the
same way it's using the dark fiber for businesses who want more than the 1
gigabit that Google would be offering. I don't see the sense of that. A dig-
once, pull-once idea works well if you pay directly for that rather than giving
Google millions of dollars to connect everybody when it wouldn't have done
that on its own. There are two things that you would need. First, I don't
think you should have any more contracts with CTC unless they're willing to
provide all the data that we've paid for. That includes the detailed numbers
that would enable members of the Citizens Advisory Committee to evaluate
the answers that CTC is giving us. In my letter to you on September 28th, I
pointed out that some of their things don't make sense if you actually go
down to find the original basis of their data. The second thing you would
need is, if you're going to want to have someone else pull the fiber, you
need a design of the City's network. I think that would be the first step. In
the limited time I have left, I would point out that there may be a problem
with Proposition 218 for having us to connect fiber to all the residences
rather than just build out a dark fiber backbone that a contractor would then
connect and light up the homes. That would be that if you're connecting to
residences or businesses, you would have identifiable parcels that would be receiving a service. Even though the equipment might be coming from a
contractor, I think you might be in a situation where it would be claimed that
it be treated just like the other utilities where it would be subject to
Proposition 218. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Donn Lee to be followed by Andy Poggio.
Donn Lee: Hi, I'm Donn Lee. I'm a member of the CAC, speaking as an
individual about the dig-once, pull-once. The message is simple. You want
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to be an ISP? Let Google in Palo Alto. You want fiber conduit in our streets?
That's fine. Just know that when the streets are dug up, the City will lay
down its own fiber conduit opportunistically while the trench is open. If the
City and the ISP can share in the installation fee and pay the installation
crew, then everyone can save a lot of money. This is low-hanging fruit that
we're going for, an incremental cost that significantly augments our fiber
assets, like the City's existing small but mighty fiber ring which has been
coined an economic success and continues to be a shining example of
foresight and investment. To draw an analogy, when the patient is
undergoing surgery, it make sense for one surgeon to perform two or three
identical tasks. Not three surgeons and certainly not three trips to the
operating room. This is just common sense. I urge you and other City
leaders to take a firm stance with any third-party builder to spend the extra
cost and calories to drop an additional City-owned fiber conduit with these next generation builds. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Andy Poggio to be followed by Stephanie
Munoz, our final speaker.
Andy Poggio: Hi, I'm Andy Poggio. I'm on the CAC. Palo Alto is effectively
currently served by a duopoly for internet services. That duopoly has not
served us well. If we do nothing, we will be served by a new, slightly
different duopoly. It'll be faster, and it'll be cost effective, but it won't
always seem fast. In the '90s, 100 kilobits to your house was outstanding;
now, it's sad. It won't always necessarily be cost effective. Commercial
companies put a priority on their profit as they have to for their
shareholders. The idea of a cooperative co-build done with presumably one
of the future gigabit providers seems very attractive. It's mostly a
negotiation. I think the right team from Palo Alto meeting with the right
team from Google or AT&T can come up with something that's attractive to
both the private company and the City of Palo Alto. Having that fiber in the
ground ready to go gives us choices and opportunities and options in the
future. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Our final speaker on this item is Stephanie
Munoz.
Stephanie Munoz: Good evening, Mayor Holman and Council Members. I'm
certainly no expert on any kind of technology. I walked into a place where I
don't have a landline and asked my friend, "How do I position myself to use
the Wi-Fi?" He looked at my computer and he said, "You're not wired for
wireless." It completely blew my mind. I do have something to offer. I pay utility bills in several other municipalities around here. I have noticed that
the PG&E has explosions in the lines, and they expect the ratepayers to pay
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for the damages of the lines. The water company gets water from the Santa
Clara County water people, so we have to pay for two water delivery
systems. The water company is making a lot of money on it. The phone
company is worst of all. They took away popcorn; I really objected to that.
Then they took away information service. Now, they don't even have
information in the telephone book. Not on residences, only on
moneymaking commerce that they charge extra for. I once had a town
require that I get a garbage service that I did not need because I wasn't—
that I didn't need. If I didn't pay it, the bill went on the tax bill as a lien
against my house. I would say for goodness' sakes don't accept a private
company's control over something that's necessary or going to be necessary
to everybody. Don't go into some kind of public and private partnership.
It's not so much that they're smarter than you are, but they have infinite
resources to spend on getting a better deal than you think they're getting. I would say control it please. It's something we're all going to need. Please
do it whatever way that these intelligent people have suggested that you do
it to retain control for the members of this community. Thank you very
much.
Mayor Holman: Thank you all. A time check here. I think the Council
indicated earlier by its lack of objection, I would say, to complete tonight's
agenda. It is 10:27, and we do have a great number of people here to
speak to the next item. Let's do try to be efficient. Council Members, I see
no lights. I think why don't we do questions, comments and motions.
Mr. Keene: Madam Mayor, could I just say something again, just for a
second? I feel that there's a sense of urgency here. The Staff feels that
also. If we could focus on being strategic and clear about which direction
you want to go in and where you want us to put the priorities and try to ask
questions as much as possible designed to say this is direction we want to
go in, I think that would be helpful, I mean be the most efficient use of time.
Even just with the speakers here, you've heard a continuum of potential
options. I would like us to know that we're walking away knowing that this
is the direction we really want to go in first, and there may be some tertiary
or secondary components of that. That would be really helpful.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. We will try to do three-minute rounds here,
again, to try to be efficient.
Council Member Scharff: What are we (inaudible).
Mayor Holman: Questions, comments and motions, all combined. You're
first.
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Council Member Scharff: First question. Is there anything in the Staff
recommendation that doesn't address your issues? What exactly do you
need direction that's not in the Staff recommendation?
Mr. Keene: What is in the Staff recommendation are some assumptions
responding to the original motion, but then things have sort of shifted a little
bit since then, so there's some missing components. I think our perspective
is that we are charged with keeping alive the opportunity to respond to
Google on their potential to provide service when they proceed with their
sort of formal announcement and request. At the same time, the option that
Bob Harrington was talking about, I think, is a clarification or a refinement
from the Council motion. If we want to proceed on that which, I think, we
think has value, we need to get some specific directive. One, on these
immediate conversations with Google to clarify the potential to run fiber
essentially concurrently with Google as they deploy with a goal, as I understand it, of us actually providing 100 percent or ubiquitous access and
coverage in the City. We can get into that more detailed, but I think unless
we're off base that's the main focus of where the Staff's thinking is right
now.
Council Member Scharff: What I heard you to say ...
Mr. Keene: If you were to just say—one other thing. If we were to say let's
just forget Google and proceed with a City utility, that would be going
further than the Council had already directed us and the potential that we
need to own up to the fact that we're letting go of other options we'd want
to get really clear from the Council.
Council Member Scharff: If we went ahead and went with the Staff
recommendation, which would be to prioritize getting the agreements done
with Google, making that happen. You'd be concurrently working on that
and the Staff motion. The only clarification then you'd need is that we want
you to go ahead and work with Google to pull the fiber at the same time?
(crosstalk)
Mr. Keene: Restate it this way. The concept that CAC Members were
addressing, as best that I can understand it, is Google is saying that they're
interested in coming here. We have all signals to say that they are coming. They won't probably provide 100 percent coverage. We've gotten estimates
of 80 to 85 percent. Their recommendation is we need to reach an
agreement with Google as quickly as possible to be able to lay—to have
them help lay dark fiber essentially, ultimately to 100 percent of the City.
We can get into that in more detail. They've got some different
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recommendations in their letter, but they are all doable potentially within the
funding we have. It's a question of being able to reach the agreement.
Council Member Scharff: Then I'll move the Staff recommendation and add
in that we clarify that we want to move forward with—it's either Google or
AT&T; it's not just Google. Either Google or AT&T, and lay our fiber at the
same time. Have discussions ...
Council Member Kniss: Did you get a second?
Council Member DuBois: Second.
Mayor Holman: I think Liz was offering a second, were you not?
Council Member Kniss: I offered a second.
MOTION: Council Member Scharff moved, seconded by Council Member
Kniss to:
A. Approve Staff’s plans to pursue the following work concurrently:
i. Response to Council Motion on Municipal Fiber and Wireless:
Staff has developed the Work Plan set forth below to address, by
the third quarter of 2016, the Council’s September 28, 2015
Motion (the “Council Motion”) requesting clarification and
additional work in connection with the City’ Fiber to the Premises
(“FTTP”) Master Plan and Wireless Network Plan; and
ii. Third Party Provider (Google Fiber, AT&T) Negotiations: Staff is
continuing discussions and negotiations with third parties
considering new service deployments in Palo Alto, including both
Google Fiber (potential citywide FTTP network) and AT&T
(GigaPower service), and is currently targeting the end of 2015
through Q1, 2016 for Council consideration of necessary
agreements and approvals; and
B. Approve a temporary contract position for a Fiber and Wireless Senior
Program Manager, dedicated to Fiber-to-the-Premises and wireless
initiatives, in the amount of $228,000 annually, $684,000 for a period
up to three (3) years; and
C. Approve and authorize the City Manager or his designee to execute
amendments to two contracts with Columbia Telecommunications
Corporation dba CTC Technology & Energy (“CTC”) as follows:
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i. Increasing the not-to-exceed amount for Contract No.
C15152568 (Wireless Network Plan) by $94,490 from $131,650
to $226,140 (includes a 10% contingency for the provision of
related additional, but unforeseen consulting services) and
extend the contract to June 30, 2016 to develop a Request for
Proposal for dedicated wireless communications for Public Safety
and Utilities, in addition to evaluating the expansion of wireless
access in retail areas; and
ii. Increasing the not-to-exceed amount for Contract No.
C15152569 (FTTP Master Plan) by $58,850 from $144,944 to
$203,794 (includes a 10% contingency for the provision of
related additional, but unforeseen consulting services) and
extend the contract to June 30, 2016 to provide technical
analysis of the Request for Information (RFI) responses and any consulting services needed to help develop a “Dig Once”
Ordinance for consideration by the Council; and
D. Approve a related Budget Amendment Ordinance in the total amount
of $172,850 for Fiscal Year 2016 from the Fiber Fund Rate Stabilization
Reserve; appropriate $114,000 to fund the temporary Fiber and
Wireless Senior Program Manager position for the second half of FY
2016 and $58,850 to fund the CTC contract amendments for FTTP;
and
E. Move forward with either Google or AT&T to have discussions to
concurrently lay City fiber.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Scharff, would you care to speak to your
motion?
Council Member Scharff: I would. From my perspective, I think what this
motion does is have Staff go ahead and do all this concurrently and have the
funding to do what we need to do, to not foreclose any of these options. I
think it's really important that we not be the Council that stops Google from
coming to Palo Alto. I think that's—I do think we need to be a little careful
of that and a little concerned about that, given that we are at the edge of
where they are. It's easier to cut back from the edge for some reason. I just want to make sure that you now have the resources and the direction to
go ahead, have those negotiations. I also think that laying a conduit as the
CAC has said is a good idea and explore those with both AT&T and Google,
and let's move forward on this. I really appreciate you bringing this forward
to us for clarification. I mean, I think if in response to the Council motion, for instance, you'd interpreted it and not gotten the agreements ready with
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Google and not gotten that to move forward, I for one would have been very
unhappy. I'm very glad that you did this and that you came for clarification
and all that. I think that's great.
Mr. Keene: Can I just add something again to this? I think this is
important. I'm glad that you didn't even get into the details of the Staff
recommendation. I really think the issues of any budget amendments for
capacity with the consultant or even our need to bring in on-Staff expertise
are really secondary. I mean, they're just implementation or tools we need
to have. We may not even need to proceed with them as we're asking to
have the authority. The real question for you right now is to say what you
said, that you don't want us to let Google, at least unconsciously, slip away
from the City and for us to pursue this co-build kind of option as the CAC
Members have put forward. That's where we need to put our energy. There
were other directives about doing more detailed analysis and comparison of the consultant to CTC, a consultant's study about getting the RFI issued
which is really a way to concurrently, as I understand it, sort of test the
marketplace for the interests of different approaches that people might take.
I think that that's secondary to this primary directive that you're giving us
right now. Over the next month, next four to six weeks, that seems to be
the most important thing that we ought to be doing.
Council Member Scharff: In terms of actually saying—if we could just bring
up ... Would it make more sense to say—could you just bring it ... To move
forward with Google—just leave it where it is. To move forward with either
Google or AT&T to do a co-build, should we just say that or do you want to
say to concurrently lay City fiber? What's the best language to get that
right?
Mr. Keene: Maybe Jonathan and folks need to jump in. I'm going to get out
of my expertise here at all. My understanding is that the approach and the
scale of what Google is potentially thinking about and AT&T are thinking
about are pretty significantly different really. I don't think they necessarily
would apply to an either/or as if it's the same sort of thing. I mean, I think
the option of a co-build reaching 100 percent of the City, as I understand it,
is much more possible with Google than it is with AT&T, that they have their own sort of strategy about what they're going to (crosstalk).
Council Member Scharff: I just didn't want to limit your negotiations.
Mr. Keene: Good. I just wanted to be clear that we'd probably be tilting in
one direction more than the other, unless we were surprised by AT&T.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Kniss, speak to your second?
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Council Member Kniss: Let me go backwards to speak to the second. It's
now been almost 20 years since the fiber was put in, in Palo Alto. As I recall
now, it's 41, 42 miles. Other people are making a lot of money on that, by
the way, as you probably know. Given that and also, is Bob Moss still here?
There he is. He brought up Comcast which was interesting. That's an even
longer time ago and even then revisited again. Bob Harrington also and I
have talked extensively about this. He actually was part of an experiment, I
think—if Bob's still here—in about 2009, 2010. Am I right? Somewhere in
there.
Male: (inaudible)
Council Member Kniss: Which was very successful at the time. Again,
because of what happens in the market and because of what happened with
the recession at that point, that also disappeared. This may not be perfect,
what we're doing tonight, but at least it moves us forward. We know at this point that Google is at least interested. We don't know exactly what their
commitment might be. I think it's important that we move forward with
this. This has been a long time. We've discussed this many times. We had
a technology committee three years ago which got disbanded. The time is
right for this. I think that the timing is correct, especially as far as the
economy at this point. I would urge—I'm sure there are going to be more
suggestions, but I would urge us to vote yes on this.
Mayor Holman: Vice Mayor Schmid.
Vice Mayor Schmid: I just have a simple economic question. A couple
members of the audience brought it up. If we co-build with Google, after a
certain period of time we will have our dark fiber passing every premise,
connected to 85 percent of premises, but it will be dark. Google will have a
lit fiber. As soon as you light the fiber, you start income streams. Over the
last ten years, every consultant that's come in, that we've asked to help us
build out. They want the income stream. Our we allowing Google to
preempt the most valuable thing, the income stream? Will be here five
years from now saying, "We have a great dark fiber thing, but we're losing
our small businesses. We're losing our telecommuters, and maybe even our
big businesses." We'll be spending money each year and having fewer and fewer options for the future. Does a build-out with Google preempt our
future?
Mr. Keene: We actually may want to have someone from the CAC also jump
in now. Respectfully, the question presumes we have an alternative where
we actually have built and provided as a utility the service ourselves directly
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to everybody in a way that we're the ones who ultimately light it. That's still
a big jump at this moment from where we are right now.
Vice Mayor Schmid: Are we giving up that possibility by this vote tonight?
That's my question.
Mr. Keene: I don't want to speak for the CAC's thinking on this. My
understanding is that providing dark fiber allows for a range of possibilities
for the City in the future.
Vice Mayor Schmid: Except there's no income stream to provide it. The
customers, the providers are flocking to Google. What leverage points do
we have?
Mr. Keene: Go ahead.
Mr. Reichental: I'm not sure I understand. As a homeowner, you'll have
choices. You won't have both. If there is a City-provided service at some
point, a person will have to choose that over Google fiber, thus having to pay for that service, so the Google service is no longer. They'll have
multiple choices. The City will only get the revenue opportunity if we have a
take rate with people actually buying the City service.
Vice Mayor Schmid: Are we competing with Google for providing services?
Mr. Reichental: We would be if ...
Vice Mayor Schmid: We would be?
Mr. Keene: I think that all depends. I think these are parts of the
conversations that we would be having with Google on the timing.
Obviously, they're not just going to lay dark fiber and not light it up and
provide a service. We're talking, as I understand it, providing concurrently
with them, them running dark fiber which it's unclear as to how long that
would stay dark. Clearly we would want to have some potential for that not
to be dark forever. Those are sort of details, I think, that we've got to be
talking through with Google. Obviously, it's probably a different situation for
them if they said, "We're going to lay fiber and we're going to light it up
instantaneously when you do," would be a different conversation than if it's
some point in the future.
Vice Mayor Schmid: Before we enter into any agreement with Google, we
will have that discussion? Terms of a contract.
Mr. Keene: I think all of this is predicated on getting really clear with Google
about what we could potentially jointly do together as soon as possible and
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knowing the boundaries of that. That's where the emphasis ought to be
right now in the nearer term. Obviously depending upon how that goes—I
mean, that has to come back to the Council anyway. If we reach an
agreement, it's going to have to come back to you all. If for whatever
reason we don't reach agreement, then that's other information that informs
where we go from there.
Molly Stump, City Attorney: Thank you. City Attorney, Molly Stump. I
think it's also important as a background information for Council to be aware
that Google and AT&T don't need a contract with the City in order to come
here and build their infrastructure in the public right-of-way. State and
Federal law give them various rights to have access to that type of activity
subject to time, place and manner restrictions, reasonable payment of fees
that are limited by law, etc. There is not a requirement for them to reach a
contractual agreement with the City in order to come to the City and provide service here.
Vice Mayor Schmid: The question is how much do we compromise in order
to reach some agreement with them. What do we give up? I guess it's
important that we know that upfront.
Mr. Keene: I think that the CAC memorandum lays out some basic
approaches and concepts. I think actually the memo itself even mentions
that the devil's in the details. There will be a lot of details that we've got to
start to flesh out. That's, again, why I think from the triage perspective, our
sense is that's where we ought to put our attention in the nearer term, just
given the timing.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: I did send in some questions to Staff late. I would
appreciate responses to all the Council Members to those questions. I don't
want to use up my time asking them all now, but I'll ask one. Is Google
planning to use the City's communication space on the poles? If they are,
how much would be left for the City? Are we charging them for that use?
Mr. Reichental: We talked about that question today at some length.
Google would be using our space. As we talked through it, we realized we
had some additional engineering questions to ask of Staff who were not available. We will write that up and send that to all Council Members in full
detail.
Council Member DuBois: Thank you. On the consultant, I don't think it's
secondary. I actually think it's really important that we get some in-house
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expertise as quickly as we can. Whether we go with Google or not with
Google, I think it'll help.
Mr. Keene: I don't mean to interrupt. I didn't mean to make it secondary.
I meant it's secondary as to what the Council talks about today, hoping
you'd give us the authority.
Council Member DuBois: Who would the consultant report to? What ability
to make decisions would they have?
Mr. Reichental: I think upon approval tonight, tomorrow we'll start talking
about that. There are a number of different models for bringing on a
person. It can be a consultant. It can be a contractor. There's varying
levels of how we might do it. We'll determine those very quickly after today.
Council Member DuBois: I'd like to see us really hire an expert and unleash
them, benefit from their expertise, however that works. The idea behind the
dig-once ordinance was that it would apply to AT&T and Google. If it's not in place before these agreements are signed, can we include it in the
agreements or do we need to have an urgency ordinance to make it apply?
It wouldn't make sense to pass a dig-once ordinance and have them
grandfathered in before those agreements were in place.
Ms. Stump: There are a couple of different options to accomplish various
pieces of what the Council has as a goal here. Things can be done through
agreement or they can be done through some combination of agreement
and ordinance, which is a law passed using the City's police power that
applies generally and is generally imposed unilaterally, not by consent, not
by a mutual exchange of value. I think it makes sense for at least initial
conversations to occur around potential agreement. Then we can look at
whether there are pieces that are more appropriately put into place through
ordinance.
Council Member DuBois: I did hear you just say that they have the right to
the public right-of-way. It seems like if we had that ordinance in place, it
would give us some rights as well. That's certainly the intent here, that it
would apply to these providers.
Ms. Stump: Yes. I think at least in terms of a notice and right-of-way
coordination type, if that's what you mean by dig-once, Council Member DuBois, that's fairly straightforward. There are other types of features that
some municipalities are putting into ordinance form that have greater
requirements. They may require actually installation of conduit, typically by
developers developing green fields, but we're looking for examples of other
types of provisions. The very simple baseline requirement of notice and
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coordination is something that can probably be done very quickly. It sounds
like that might give the Council some comfort so we can run that piece in
parallel with conversations about more substantive building activity. Does
that make sense?
Council Member DuBois: Yeah, it does. I just want to underline how
important I think this decision is. We have decisions on single buildings and
have long debates, but this is something that will impact 31,000 premises
for 30, 40, 50 years. I think it warrants some time and some rigorous kind
of debate. Again, from my perspective, I think we have three high level
policy decisions. Does the City want to ensure ubiquitous access? The last
time we talked about this, we said yes. I still feel yes. I think we're talking
about insurance that the City has some long-term input over this utility of
the 21st century. When we talk about dark fiber to the premise, it's
insurance. I think we should go into a collaborative discussion with Google and AT&T and see if they can understand that desire. Those conditions
about when it would light, when it wouldn't light, I think are really based on
an understanding of coverage and quality of service and pricing. I think the
idea is to really not have a negotiation, but really have a collaborative
discussion and make it clear what our concerns are. I think the third
question we need to ask ourselves is do we want to make sure that the
City's dark fiber service remains competitive. Again, while the road is being
torn up for all this fiber construction, I think we should be laying in capacity
for our own dark fiber. At the same time, if we have this expert—we haven't
really talked about it—I think we should look at our pricing model for dark
fiber, are we marketing it. We're in a boom economy right now, and
revenue is kind of flat. I'd love to see it be growing. I think that'll address a
concern about does that business go away. I think if we ignore it, it could
go away. I kind of heard new information tonight. I mean, before we heard
AT&T was going to do a Phase 1 to fiber 10,000 homes. Today was 50
percent and that Google was going to go to 85 percent. Now you're saying
100 percent. I was very concerned kind of before tonight that we had 5,000
homes in Palo Alto that weren't going to get broadband. Even with them
saying 100 percent, I'd like to know how we ensure that happens. AT&T may be saying 50 percent; what if they come in and do 20 percent? Again, I
think that's where this idea of dark fiber insurance comes into play. We're
sitting here five years from now, and everybody's moving to 10 gigabit
service. We'll have some insurance. I also have seen Google say that they'll
build in two to three years, but I haven't seen any commitment to a start date. Again, there's several agreements that were mentioned in the Staff
Report. I'm hoping we see those and we'll have an opportunity to discuss
those. Some of San Jose's are public already. It seems like it's all moving
very quickly, and those are going to be substantial agreements. Again, as
part of this collaborative discussion, I think we should talk about what
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happens if we give them these agreements and they don't start construction
for a year or for two years or for three years. What happens? They're
committing to a lot of cities, but I think they only have three turned on at
this point. I think it might be useful if we prioritized fiber and wireless,
because I think we are trying to do a lot of things at the same time. The
expansion of Wi-Fi to the parks and other buildings, a lot of cities have
negotiated for free Wi-Fi with Google. I would not expend money on that
with CTC until we get clarity from Google. We may find that we just get Wi-
Fi in our parks for free working with Google. I don't think any of these
comments really change the motion, but I think, Jim, you were kind of
saying let's have kind of a discussion. That's kind of some of my feedback
on things to focus on. If we move forward with this RFI, I hope it does come
by March, and ideally quicker. I think, again, there's some time pressure
here. We had some speakers say it's kind of the first one in the ground. There were also three months to evaluate responses to that RFI. Is that
normal? Does it usually take that long when we issue an RFI?
Mr. Keene: I think so. The reason we put a range in there is the RFI scope
had multiple aspects to it. I mean, it was a muni-owned and out source of
public-private, Google in, Google out. To the sense that we're able to either
simplify or streamline some of those things, we might be able to get some of
it done faster.
Council Member DuBois: I think the original intent in September was that
RFI would be out before we had these Google decisions. If it's coming March
of next year, I think Google in or out will be decided at that point. I think
that's it for my comments.
Mr. Reichental: Can I actually respond to a couple of items real quick?
Mayor Holman: Sure, of course.
Mr. Reichental: I'll do it real brief. Just because you asked the questions, I
wanted to be able to answer them. Any discussion of Google coming and
everything is clearly we are speculating, but they're giving positive signals.
It's not 100 percent in terms of coverage. They said they would try to pass
every home, maybe with the exception of some homes up in the Foothills
that were hard to reach. It's a little less than 100 percent.
Council Member DuBois: That's news from even last week. That's like 500
homes, not 5,000 homes.
Mr. Reichental: Yes, it is. That's right. We're getting the information pretty
real-time too. In terms of building, we'll wait for Google to make formal
what their determination is. If things progress, they would want to be
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breaking ground mid-year of 2016. To complete the entire network, they
project about a three-year building. I did want to clarify one thing about the
build. I brought this up last time, but I don't think I made the point. I was
poor in how I communicated. There are two potential gigabit providers and
a third with Comcast potentially in the future. Their builds in the way
they're going to do it are entirely different. It's material because it impacts
the way and the outcome of a potential negotiation. With Google Fiber, they
will build everything as in there's zero footprint in Palo Alto. Every single
strand of fiber underground, on poles, every bit of equipment, everything.
With AT&T, they already have a fiber network in Palo Alto. They provide an
existing service to homes today. Their giga fiber—I think it's called giga
fiber.
Council Member DuBois: Power.
Mr. Reichental: GigaPower, sorry. Their GigaPower service will simply be an upgrade to an existing installation. What we understand based on what
they've presented to us is there are existing communication boxes in place
all over Palo Alto, thousands of them. They will place a second box beside
it. Their work will simply be those boxes and the wire into the house.
Negotiating with AT&T, keep in mind we can't lay cable around the City with
them, because they're just simply not doing it. We will come back obviously
with the outcome of any discussions we have. They're going to be very
different as you can imagine.
Council Member DuBois: Just one last comment. I think, again, hiring that
network expert to design a City network so that if we lay this dark fiber, we
know it will be a viable network in the future and kind of overlay it with
those builds and see where, when they're doing construction would it make
sense to pull Palo Alto fiber as part of this other design that's our own.
Again, that's why I think we need an expert kind of as soon as possible.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: Just, I guess, a couple of questions, comments. I
think I will be supporting the motion. I just wanted to make sure I get
clarity from Staff that things I'm going to mention are—make sure I'm clear
on a couple of things and that the motion captures these. First, with the dig-once ordinance, I guess one of my questions is should we put the dig-
once ordinance on hold while we're doing the negotiations or should we just
leave it open to Staff to be flexible in how they consider what that might
consist of for the time being so that we don't tie your hands around the dig-
once ordinance.
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Ms. Stump: Council Member Wolbach, I don't think we'll be on hold with
anything, but we have lots and lots to do. Council's last meeting for the
year is on the 14th of December. We will not be bringing it then. That
packet is published three days from now. We will be talking about January
at the earliest. I think that initial discussions will have begun at that point,
and we will be able to figure out what is an appropriate timing, I think. We
may need to come back to you for clarification with respect to various
possible features of an ordinance.
Council Member Wolbach: Obviously you'd mentioned before we can't really
tell somebody you can't come in. It's going to be difficult for us to have a
high level of requirement placed on them, I would imagine legally. As
Council Member Scharff said, we don't want to be the City that stops Google
Fiber from coming if they're able to come soon. This question of Google
going to all but 5,000 homes or even all but 500 homes, hopefully that's getting higher, more ubiquitous access. Hopefully that's part of what the
City can negotiate. Obviously, I think we all agree that having access for as
many Palo Altans for whatever fiber system is out there, I think that we all
agree that that's a goal. Hopefully that's open to negotiation based on the
motion as it stands right now. Potential. Let me rephrase. The motion and
the direction to Staff through this motion allows Staff to negotiate with
Google for higher access and more ubiquitous access to broaden from 85 to
95 or even 100 percent of homes.
Mr. Keene: I haven't read it, but that was certainly the intention that we
had. Obviously again, the CAC letter to you actually had some specific
recommendations about being able to close the gap, if you're 100 percent,
that actually might have some benefit to kind of incentivizing other aspects
of the conversation with Google. We'll just double check, but I think we
have that in there.
Council Member Wolbach: Just let me know if we need any amendments to
give you more opportunity to negotiate on these priorities.
Mr. Keene: I think we're good. I think we're going to have to come back to
you all for your approval of anything we put together.
Council Member Wolbach: I'd certainly encourage at least keeping that under consideration. Sorry. One other thing I guess I just want to make
sure it's really clear and what we're giving you allows you to negotiate is the
option—I think we were kind of hinting at this; I just want to be clear—
potentially in exchange for helping us lay our fiber network, lay our own next
to theirs, a third-party company like Google, we might potentially be able to negotiate that we would keep ours dark for X number of years while they
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make enough revenue that it's worthwhile for them working with us and
helping us get our stuff out there, that that's the kind of thing that would be
open to negotiation. Correct?
Mr. Keene: It's like any agreement; it takes two to tango. There will be a
lot of back and forth.
Council Member Wolbach: Again, especially based on our last motion, I just
want to make sure we're not tying your hands. Again, one of the reasons I
think that's important is that our Utilities Department probably is not in a
position right now to handle—as great as our Utilities Department is, they
are pretty overworked, and we're going through some transition there.
They're probably not in a position to handle setting up and running our own
lit fiber network to all Palo Alto homes in the next few homes for sure. I
think that's something also worth considering during those negotiations. I'll
be supporting the motion. Thanks for clarifying that it doesn't tie your hands.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much. With that, there is a very lengthy
motion, so pardon me for not reading through the whole motion. It is the
Staff recommendation moved by Council Member Scharff and seconded by
Council Member Kniss to approve the Staff recommendations. With that,
vote on the board please. That passes unanimously.
MOTION PASSED: 9-0
Mayor Holman: While we do have some shuffling probably of members of
the public, I do want to thank everyone for coming and also for your
patience as we work through a long agenda this evening. Thank you very
much.
21. PUBLIC HEARING: Adoption of an Ordinance Establishing a Single
Story Overlay District for 72 Homes Within the Greer Park Tract
Number 796, by Amending the Zoning Map to Re-Zone the Area From
R-1 Single Family Residential to R-1(S) Single Family Residential with
Single Story Overlay. Environmental Assessment: Exempt From the
California Environmental Quality Act Per Section 15305. The Planning
and Transportation Commission Recommended Rezoning Only the 47
Parcels With Frontage on Metro Circle and Moffett Circle.
Mayor Holman: With that, we move to Item Number 21 which is the Greer
Park single-story overlay. Adoption of an ordinance establishing a single-
story overlay district for 72 homes within the Greer Park tract by amending
the Zoning Map to rezone the area from R-1 single-family residential to R-
1(S) single-family residential with single-story overlay. The Planning and
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Transportation Commission recommended rezoning only 47 parcels with
frontage with Metro Circle and Moffett Circle. Does Staff have a
presentation? I know there are members of the public who want to speak to
this item, but I don't have the cards yet.
Hillary Gitelman, Planning and Community Environment Director: Mayor
Holman, Hillary Gitelman, the Planning Director.
Mayor Holman: Excuse me just a second. If members of the public who are
here for the last item, if you would move to the lobby, it would help us be
able to move forward with the next item. Including City Manager Keene.
Staff, thank you.
Ms. Gitelman: Thank you, Mayor Holman. Hillary Gitelman, the Planning
Director. We're getting our presentation organized. We do have a brief
PowerPoint, and then we'll turn it over to public comment. Mayor Holman,
Council Members, I'm Hillary Gitelman, the Planning Director. I'm joined by Amy French who's been handling these single-story overlay applications for
the department. I'm going to turn this over to her for a brief summary.
Amy French, Chief Planning Official: Good evening, Mayor and Council
Members. This may not be as brief as the last time I spoke to you on the
Los Arboles, simply because there is a bit more discussion for this one. The
goal of single-story overlays, of course, is to preserve and maintain
predominantly single-story neighborhood character. They end up with
common home remodeling constraints. In this case, because it's a flood
zone, the 17-foot height limit that is normally put in place for single-story
overlays can go up commensurate with the amount of fill that is needed to
get the finished first floor up above the base flood elevation, in this case
10.5 feet with a maximum of 20 feet above grade for those new homes.
Mayor Holman: Would you state that again please?
Amy French: Yes. It's a bit complex; there's a formula. New homes in a
single-story overlay typically are limited to 17 feet in height. In a flood
zone, because there's a base flood elevation of 10.5 feet in this case, in this
neighborhood, they're able to go above 17 feet by half of the additional
height needed to raise that finished floor of the first floor to the 10.5-foot
base flood elevation level. They're getting their first floor above the floodplain. For that they get to go above the 17 feet incrementally based on
the formula up to a maximum of 20 feet. It's that complex. I just wanted
to make sure that point was made. I'm going to go ahead and forward this
to the neighborhood. Greer Park North is part of the larger Greer Park tract
which began with the Van Auken Circle single-story overlay back in 2002. This would be the other half of the tract completing that single-story overlay
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for the entire tract. As you can see here, the Van Auken single-story overlay
does also include homes along Amarillo and Greer Road. The Greer Park
North proposal has two circles, and these homes along Greer and Amarillo.
Whereas, the Van Auken had one circle and those same types of
arrangements there on Greer and Amarillo. In fact, they're similar lot sizes
there along Amarillo. There are six two-story homes within this proposed
boundary. You can see them in pink highlight there. Overall, the boundary
contains a support level of 72 percent based on the initial application that
came in, where a 60-percent support level is required. The reason only 60
percent is required is because there is a deed restriction for this
neighborhood dating back to the 1950s that has an automatic clause after
25 years that goes consecutive ten-year terms into the future, unless a
majority of the homeowners come forward and say, "We want to remove
this limitation." That has not happened. One thing I might say, because this came up as a topic, is the support level within the circles, Metro and
Moffett, are at 74 percent and 75 percent. This is higher than the support
level outside the circles on Greer and Amarillo. Amarillo is 70 percent; Greer
is 66 percent. The Planning and Transportation Commission was actually
concerned about the support of two-story homeowners and mentioned that
in the Minutes and the report. They recommended a single-story overlay for
the 47 homes of the circles, excluding the Greer and Amarillo homes. They
were also concerned about the limitations on the future homes in a flood
zone on the smaller lots. They also stipulated that the building application
on file for this home at 1066 Metro, which you may have remembered came
through as an appeal sometime in the past year, that that should be allowed
to go forward with its height which is currently proposed in a building permit
application as a 23-foot tall home. This shows you—one of the things the
Planning and Transportation Commission asked for was a map indicating the
votes and the absentee owner properties. We prepared this after the
Planning Commission to include with the CMR that's in your Staff Report.
We did also receive a flurry of communication today as well as one that
came in in time for the packet, concerned about this overlay. In conclusion,
Staff does recommend that the Council support the original application which is to complete the tract. I wanted to make one note in that this PowerPoint
does say 6,000 to 13,000. Further research showed that with the addition of
the Seale Canal which was filled in sometime in the 1990s, this little strip
along here was added to these homes. While the original properties on this
side were more like 13,000, fairly large, they got even larger with the addition of this canal. This one here, I believe, is a 17,325-square-foot lot.
That concludes Staff presentation. I know the applicant has some
presentations as well as some other interested parties.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. David Hammond is the applicant, and you will
have up to ten minutes. Can I suggest that because we have already 17
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speakers, if you want to speak to this item, that you do so in the next couple
of minutes. Thank you very much. Welcome David.
Public Hearing opened at 11:13 P.M.
David Hammond, Applicant: Thank you, Mayor and Council. I'd like to get
my—it's coming.
Mayor Holman: If you'd be sure you speak into the microphone, it's a little
low for you. There you go.
Mr. Hammond: Again, good evening, Mayor and Council. I'll be as brief as I
can. Things have changed a little bit. We still have the 72 homes, R-1. We
are in the floodplain, and we do have the CC&R. Someone will tell you a
little bit later in their presentation that has a ten, 25-year limitation. You
have it in your packets from our original application, the actual CC&R. What
it says is 25 years plus ten-year extensions until somebody turns it off,
basically. It is in effect. We have had a couple of defections, and so now we have 51 yes for a total of 71 percent. The boundary was chosen—originally
we thought about only Metro Circle or only Moffett Circle, but the boundary
was chosen because it was indicated in the ordinance that it should be
logical and it should be ... We saw it as filling out what had already been
approved for the rest of the tract. Van Auken Circle was approved with 61
percent. What we've done. We did the letter of information. We got the
petition which, as I understand it, is a contract. The people that signed that
contract, signed a petition saying that all 72 homes would be in what they
signed. I don't know if someone takes part of that out, whether that petition
is still valid. I just don't know. That's something that someone else would
have to comment on. Hopefully you will reinstate the thing. Sixteen of the
owners are nonresidents, so if we want to look at the percentage of
approval, it is over 80 percent of those who are resident. This sort of
describes this. You'll see from the presentations that we're—first of all, most
of our homes have been remodeled one way or the other. You start with a
three-and-one, and you have kids, and the three-and-one doesn't work
anymore. Most people have added bedrooms and bathrooms. We are
multigenerational, multiethnic. We have young families with newborn, one
this year. We have some of us that are like me, that are seniors. I'm probably the oldest. We have ownership longevity anywhere from one year
to 50 years. That's what we looked like originally; those are the original
homes. We understand what the limitations of an SSO are that it will allow
us to maintain scale. It'll keep the homes within 20 feet high. If we don't
have it, the homes could get 30 feet high, and they'd be two story. We also understand that it will not give us design compatibility. We hope maybe in
the future it will do that. We disagree with what the, all in good faith,
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Planning Commission did. What could happen if this stands is that one
would have two rows of tall houses that would be affecting the rest of the
ones that are limited to two stories, er, one story. We disagree with three of
the things that they assumed. One is that the lots on Greer and Amarillo are
all small lots and the circles are all larger. That's not true. We disagree that
you can take votes away from a two story; I think one could easily disagree
with that. We also disagree that—we'll show with some presentation after
mine—automatically when you get an R-1(S) zone, you're depreciating the
value of the homes. I think history will show and we will show that that's
really not the case. The small lots. First of all, on Greer all the lots were not
small. The ones at the ends are—if you say a small lot is something
between 6,000 and 7,000 square feet, the ones at the ends are greater than
that. One's eight-plus and the other is seven-plus. Also, there are small
lots within the circle, as many small lots in the circle as outside of the circle, roughly. 65 percent of the total lots in the project are small. Bounce it up a
little bit if you want to play with numbers. 82 percent of the lots are within
9,000 square feet. The top one, we just disagree with taking the vote away
from someone. Actually two of the people that have changed their votes are
two stories, so now we only have three two-stories that are yes. Sorry, it's
a little bit late, and my mind's failing me a little bit here. We'll show in a
minute the study done by David Hanzel, who's here, that actually it isn't true
that value goes down. In fact, it stays about the same. There are three
owners that want to opt out, and they'll speak for themselves, I'm sure.
They are listed there. The one at 1032 Amarillo and 2797 Greer, the lots are
very small. I agree, but there are similar lots in Van Auken that I can show
you which is an SSO on Greer, same orientation and so forth, that have
been able to add to their homes as one story. By the way, the allowable
building area for a one story is greater than for a two story. That's a little
hard to achieve, however. Here's three examples. It also gives you some
other information about value. 1002 Amarillo, which is right near—the
arrow points to where the examples are. 1002, it's larger. It sold just a
couple of months ago for $2 million. 990 Amarillo is bigger, and it sold the
next month for $2.6 million. One is able to build a five-bedroom, two-bath house on a lot that's just a little bit greater than 6,000 square feet. There
are alternatives for people in a one-story build. Lastly, sort of the king of
all, 984 Amarillo, I found out today by going to the Development Center that
it's actually 2,300 square feet, five bedrooms, three baths. It's just
completing construction. The way they do this is they don't rebuild the whole thing. They build it in so-called minor additions. You build an
addition that is 50 percent value of the total house value, then you can build
it without going to the flood zone requirements. That's what people have
done basically throughout that circle. Here is a very outstanding—this is in
our SSO; it's on Greer. It's an outstanding, in my opinion, a really
outstanding remodel. It's 2,100 square feet, five bedrooms, four baths,
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cathedral ceiling. It all comes down to good design can solve just about any
kind of a problem. Lastly, please restore our full SSO as recommended by
the Planning. Thank you very much.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. You'll have three minutes, should you want it,
after the other speakers speak. We have 17 speakers. If I can suggest that
each of you have two minutes. If it helps any of you, because it is late and
we appreciate your staying. If it helps anyone whether you are pro or con,
you can always ask people who are supporting your position to stand, if that
helps.
David Hanzel: I'm David Hanzel. I'm not in Greer Park North, but I live on
Loma Verde and was supporting the SSO there, which you'll get later. While
collecting signatures for our SSO, I kept getting the question what happens
to property values with SSOs. This being a data-driven policy group, we
heard this earlier tonight. I thought that ought to be a really simple question to ask. Fortunately, Zillow has that information. There's links
here. You can go to Zillow's website and download or use the API to collect
information. What I have here is median home values starting from 1996.
They have 18 defined neighborhoods in Palo Alto, California. Some of them
don't start until '97, so I'll use that as a time-zero date. As you can see,
they all follow the same general trend. Obviously some neighborhoods are
more expensive than others. If we normalize them to January 1st, 1997,
seven years after I got here, you can see a very common shape. Pretty
much all of the neighborhoods are appreciating just about the same. Quite
to our surprise, most of the appreciation was in the last five years. This
doesn't address the question at all about single-story overlays. Another
feature that Zillow provides is you can actually get a map—that's on the left
on this slide—of the outlines of how they defined neighborhoods. On the
right is the City of Palo Alto map which shows the area covered by single-
story overlays. This part I did not do quantitatively. I looked at it, and this
is Green Meadow. I looked in the area bounded by the definition in Zillow
and said that looks like about 60 percent. It's actually significantly higher,
but that will do because I'm going to divide all 18 neighborhoods into three
groups. Twelve of the neighborhoods have no single-story overlays. Great control. Three have between—sorry, I didn't start.
Mayor Holman: We didn't start the clock until you started. If you want to
just wrap up.
Mr. Hanzel: Yes, I can wrap up in 30 seconds. As you can see here, the red
ones are those that have 30 to 60 percent single-story overlays. The greens are 5 to 10 percent overlays. The red and greens are near the top. For a
quantitative metric, it's here. I don't believe you can say that having a
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single-story overlay improves value; it certainly doesn't cut it. It doesn't
reduce it. Oddly enough having the word park—go ahead.
Mayor Holman: Thank you so very much. Our next speaker is Dorrit
Billman, to be followed by Richard Billington. When you hear your name, if
you'd come forward, that would be great.
Dorrit Billman: I'm Dorrit Billman. I'm speaking in favor of restoring the
original larger area. We all knew about and accepted the covenant when we
moved into the neighborhood. By our acceptance, we helped to create and
maintain a shared, common resource of the space. The space shapes the
neighborhood to the extent that houses agree not to impinge on each other's
privacy and on each other's line of sight and sunlight. That creates a shared
value for the neighborhood. I believe that's extremely valuable and should
continue to be supported.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Richard Billington to be followed by Nanci Howe.
Richard Billington: Hi, Richard Billington. Thanks for taking all this time this
evening. We've lived at 1020 Amarillo for 15 years. We raised two children
in that house, both of whom are adults now. The house has an additional
bathroom that was added properly, etc., so we have a three-two. It's a
small house. If we wanted to, we could add another 200-600 square feet as
I can easily see how to extend the boundaries if we were to want to. I'm
opposed to the addition of second stories to these homes as it destroys the
character and intentional design of the entire neighborhood. I also think it is
unnecessary as ample additions can be made without adding a second story.
When we bought our house, we were given a copy of the covenant
concerning the houses around us, and we were told it was still binding. The
issue is that this neighborhood was designed in such a way that the houses
and their properties are all private to each other, given the single story and
the fencing. Anyone putting a second story on their house changes this for
all their neighbors, any of them whose properties would be overseen by that
second story. I love this neighborhood as it stands. The low '50s modern
houses nestled into their surrounding trees and other plantings are a
pleasure to walk amongst. The houses themselves are designed to be open to the gorgeous place where we live. Floor-to-ceiling window walls make our
gardens an extension to our rooms. Having a neighbor's second floor
become a part of that extension destroys one of the most appealing aspects
of the neighborhood. I seriously wonder whether the real estate people who
are coming into that neighborhood and selling are representing today what we were told 15 years ago about the character of the neighborhood. Thank
you.
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Mayor Holman: Thank you. Nanci Howe. If you didn't know before, there
are at least two Nanci Howes in Palo Alto.
Nanci Howe: We both work at Stanford too.
Mayor Holman: Yes, you do. The next speaker, you need to choose who's
going to speak. There are two names on the same speaker card, Manoj and
Rhea Tauiliani. One of you will speak. Thank you, Nanci.
Ms. Howe: I'm Nanci Howe. I live at 1094 Moffett Circle. I've lived there
for 24 years. My background, I am an art major, an undergrad, so I have a
real interest in aesthetics. I am very interested in the Eichler movement and
have purchased my home and renovated it on my own lovingly and for the
reason of preserving that character. In fact, my house was shown as the
first picture as a house that has not been remodeled and enlarged. It has
been remodeled and enlarged slightly. You can tell that even after the
remodeling it still looks like one of the original homes. I'm also a pragmatist, and I understand that needs can change, particularly in the
heated real estate market we exist and live in today in the Bay Area. My
daughter who is now currently looking for housing in this area made me
recently consider would I add on to my home and try to make it a
multigenerational home. I figure that I can do that, and I think that would
still preserve the quality and nature of the neighborhood. I have made that
commitment to supporting the nature of the neighborhood. I believe that
it's not mutually exclusive. I'm sorry, I am in favor of the broader 72-
house—I forgot to say that in the beginning—proposal as initially proposed.
I believe having the ability to remodel one's home even at a larger scale to
accommodate some of these larger needs is not mutually exclusive from
preserving the character of the neighborhood. I think there are some good
examples there. I would be willing to do that for myself, and I believe that
most others would as well. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Mr. Tauiliani, to be followed by DanDan Yu.
Manoj Tauiliani: While they are putting up the PowerPoint, I want to ...
Mayor Holman: You need to pull over the microphone please.
Mr. Tauiliani: While we are teeing up with the PowerPoint, I want to first
bring out a slide that shows that the percentages in terms of yes and no have changed. Since the last PTC meeting, we have had two two-story
homes that have switched from a yes to SSO to a no. On Greer, now you
have just about 57 percent of people who are for a single-story overlay. I'm
just going to build this slide. I'm in a 6,000-square-foot lot size, smallest lot
size on Greer Park. I'm bounded by a two-story home and a very high
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single-story home on Metro. I've been living with homes which are kind of
like any other American neighborhood with high-rise or taller homes.
Privacy has never been an issue. I'm also on the perimeter of Greer, which
is a busy street. Privacy should be of a prime concern for me rather than
the Metro Circle and the Moffett Circle which is more on the secluded side.
If this gets passed, what happens is, the implication is that there is a
tradeoff between open space and indoor space. On a 6,000 lot size, if I
have to expand to meet my growing needs, I have to expand basically take
away a line from my side yard, backyard and basically the green space that I
have to basically conform to my expanding needs. Additionally, there's been
some concerns about lighting. The single-story overlay does allow a home
to be at 20 feet. It's going to be closer to the fence. It's going to be more
denser. Lighting is still going to be constrained. The homes are still going
to be high. They're aren't going to be the usual size. They can go up to 20 feet. Our consideration from standpoint where we have folks who are no to
SSO is that this is discriminatory to smaller lot sizes. If I had an 8,000 or
10,000 lot size, a single story is fine. I do not have the luxury of having a
lot of open space, green space. The only option is if I have to expand in the
future, I would have to go two story. That's my point.
Mayor Holman: There's a question for you, sir.
Council Member Burt: Can you tell me, do the lots on Greer have deed
restrictions as well?
Mr. Tauiliani: (inaudible). Deed restrictions?
Council Member Burt: Yes.
Mr. Tauiliani: No, I don't know (crosstalk).
Council Member Burt: Covenants, CCRs on ...
Mr. Tauiliani: I don't have that data point.
Council Member Burt: Maybe later speakers if they know.
Mayor Holman: Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait.
Council Member Burt: Perhaps later speakers can clarify. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Yes, yes. Later. Thank you so much. The next speaker is
DanDan Yu, to be followed by Andrew Vainshtein. I'm sorry, it's very hard
writing to read.
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DanDan Yu: Good evening, Council Members. My name is DanDan Yu. I
live on Amarillo Avenue, three houses down from Greer. I'm actually one of
the smallest lots on that street or in the whole plan area. Me and my
husband, we moved in about two years ago. We actually got married while
we were living there. Now, as you can see, we're extending our family. The
first baby is coming in less than two month. Both me and my husband, we
were born in a single-child family. We know it's not ideal, so our plan is to
have at least two kids, three if we can afford. Also because we're from
single-child families, we have four parents to take care of between the two
of us. All of them are retiring in two to four years. Conservatively speaking,
we'll have two kids, two of us and at least two parents living under the same
roof in about three years. Right now, I have a 1,400-square-feet house.
The original design was only one bathroom. Imagine in three years this
living standard will be even below average in China. I definitely need an upgrade for my house. Second, on the other side of Amarillo none of the
house, I mean none of the house is Eichler. They look totally different from
mine. Some of them are already two stories. If you want to be consistent
with the neighborhood, at least I will be consistent with the people I am
face-to-face with, not people on my backyard. The third thing is the other
side of Oregon Expressway, where almost all the houses are second stories,
there are Building Codes protecting about the privacy. They're all living
happily with that. I think our neighborhood could very good user of the
Building Codes and protect the privacy of other people's houses too when we
do so on the second story. Thank you very much for your time.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Our next speaker is Andrew Vainshtein, I think,
to be followed by Kiran Joshi.
Andrew Vainshtein: Thank you for your time. I'm Andrew Vainshtein, 1082
Metro Circle. I'm here to express my opposition to a single-story overlay. I
will try to be quick. I'll skip the personal reasons first; maybe I'll come back
to them later. First of all, I want to say that there's never been in the—I
looked at the history of the single-story overlays rezoning in the City. There
has never been such a greater diversions, the differences between houses,
between lots. We're talking about houses that are between 6,000 and 12,000 square feet, just on the Metro Circle. We're talking about 1,070 to
2,600 square feet. The houses have been rebuilt many, many times.
They're very different from each other. They have no common remodeling
constraints. We're talking about the Palo Alto Municipal Code. This Code
says that the houses have to have common home remodeling constraints. They have uniform, similar neighborhood with clearly identified boundaries.
Now, two circles, if you look at the map, they're not a boundary. They're
not a neighborhood. There is no common street surrounding them. If you
remove the Greer—I fully support people who remove the Greer, who don't
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want to be part of this nonsense. I would say that two circles are not a
neighborhood. You cannot really say that they are and comply with your
own Municipal Code. Finally, I want to say that their voting results in circles
was pretty much invalid. If you consider that people voted for the fact that
their neighbors from all sides will have the same restrictions, and now you
have people from Greer, on Amarillo, they are building their houses. Finally,
you—I'm running out of time. You have my presentation. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Kiran Joshi to be followed by Stella Marinos.
Kiran Joshi: Good evening, Council Members. I'm Kiran Joshi. I had a few
points about why we believe it should be allowed to have a second story.
The first is young, expanding families need more room. My husband and I
purchased our home ten years ago, and we did this because we really love
Palo Alto. We love the schools, the neighborhoods, the greenery and the
sense of community. We also love Eichlers. The first time we saw our house, we just fell in love with the large windows, the sunlight and the
layout and everything about it. Even though it wasn't the most practical
house, we liked it so much that we very happy to be able to buy it. We've
been very happy here. We now have two boys who are in elementary
school. Although we still love the house, it's just not meeting our needs.
We also have parents that often stay with us for extended periods of time.
We just don't have the room that we need. The house was built in the
1950s, and times have changed. We need more storage. We need more
room. If we are not allowed to build upwards, we have to expand. We also
have a smaller lot. It comes down to having our children share a room
that's barely 10 by 12 or having room outside to play in. We don't really
want to have to pick one or the other. It would be wonderful to have both.
That's really an important thing for us to have this option to build up.
Secondly, most of the yards have trees that obstruct views and protect
privacy. This was true for us. Our neighbors actually recently built a second
story. They came and checked with us first about whether this would be
okay, because they actually have several windows that are facing our home
so privacy could be a concern. Just like us, we know they have three young
children. We felt that them having a home that they could live in comfortably was more important than the minimal loss of privacy that we
face, because we had the large trees. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Stella Marinos to be followed by Ci Chu.
Stella Marinos: Good evening. I've lived in Palo Alto since 1977 and my
home since 1990 on Amarillo. I love Palo Alto, and I love my home. I also believe—what I loved about Palo Alto originally was the charm of different
neighborhoods. I really think that some of these neighborhoods that are like
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cul de sacs or circles are unique and that they could preserve their look by
keeping their single-story homes. As far as Amarillo goes, I really feel like
it's already a mixed bag. I don't think Amarillo should be bundled into Metro
or Moffett Circle. I'm adjacent to Greer Park, and I have one of the—it's a
small lot as well. I'm not going to be building up, but I also don't feel like
it's a unique neighborhood; whereas, the other neighborhoods are unique.
Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Ci Chu to be followed by Julia Li.
Ci Chu: Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, members of the Council. My
name is Ci Chu. I'm DanDan's husband. Like she said, this is the city
where—the City of Palo Alto is where we first met when I was a graduate
student, where we fell in love and where we got married and where we live.
This is literally where our life together started, and we love every minute of
it here. I'm speaking tonight to dispute one report that was forwarded to us by the City Council and also presented on by the gentleman earlier. The
report which he didn't have time to finish basically pointed to the fact that
contrary to common belief houses, properties in the SSO zone in Palo Alto
actually appreciate faster by percentage of its value than houses not in the
SSO zone, indicated here by the red line which seems to be above the black
line. I have a PhD in data analysis as well, but I don't think it takes a data
scientist to see that there's really no statistically significant difference
between the red line and the black lines. In fact there's no statistics at all,
because all of these lines are plotted on single data points chosen from
median house values from these neighborhoods. Some of the median
houses can be 8,000 feet, where some others can be 4,000. It's not really
an apple-to-apple comparison. Second of all, the time period is arbitrarily
chosen from 1997 to 2015. 1997 is not the year within which most of these
neighborhoods become single-story overlay, so it's really irrelevant. Second
of all ... Percentage is really a mistaken concept here, because the actual
dollar amount increase by the houses are really determined—I don't think
anyone can dispute the fact that a land with a large house will appreciate in
actual dollar amount than a land by itself over the same period. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. I think there was one last card submitted, but I think at this time we won't be taking any more cards given the hour. Julia Li
to be followed by Cynthia Webber.
Julia Li: Hi, good evening, Council Members. I'm Julia Li, living in Amarillo.
I'm also opposing SSO rezoning. I have two points I want to make. I have
no plan to build second story in the near future or maybe never going to rebuild. I do want to keep the option open, because the rebuilding second
story, we entitled that right when we purchased the house. Also, we all
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have a small lot. We have a 6,000 square feet lot. It's pretty small. We
also in the flood zone. If we want to have more living space, we have to
sacrifice our open spaces. I think it's not really a fair decision for the people
saying, "You cannot build the house you really like or your dream house,"
because of someone—I mean, we try to preserve some kind of character.
Talking about character, Amarillo is really a mixing architecture
neighborhood. There are like two-story houses across the street. There are
ranch house styles; there are Eichlers and other style houses. We are in the
character of a mixing architecture. As DanDan mentioned, it is more
important to me to be blended in the street in front of us rather than in the
back. That's my first point. I have a second point. Enforcing the SSO
rezone is violating the equal protection clause, because we are creating two
different classes residency of property rights. One class can build two-story
houses, and the other group cannot build. This is not really equal to the property rights. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Cynthia Webber to be followed by Kurt Kuodt.
Again, we'll take no more cards. Thank you
Cynthia Webber: I don't have a PowerPoint presentation, but I do have two
things to consider. The first one is that as a supporter of keeping Amarillo
and Greer inside the rezoning I'd like you to consider two things. The first
one is have you seen a two-story home built in place of a one-story home
that actually had a smaller footprint than the first one-story home. You
don't see that, because everyone's dream home is much, much larger.
Taking more of the green space and the yard is not really—it's going to
happen anyway. The second thing I'd like you to consider is that the way I
really consider Amarillo and Green are like they're the outside of a lovely
book. That lovely book is the Eichler community. This is the cover of the
book. Don't rip off the cover or allow someone to rip holes in it. I think
Amarillo and Greer are a lovely edging around the Metro Circle and Moffett
Circle, Van Auken and all the circles. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much. Kurt Kuodt to be followed by Monica
Lynch.
Kurt Knodt: Hello, my name's Kurt Knodt. My wife and I purchased our house in May 2010 on (inaudible) in Metro Circle. It's a small lot of 6,100
square feet. We live there with my son who's in high school. One of the
reasons we bought it was because we really wanted to have that Eichler
design. We live in the center circle where all the houses are one story.
Every so often, I go up and clean the leaves off the roof. I'm always surprised that I can look into the neighbors' back—into their houses there.
There's really no privacy when you go up higher. I think that's the case for
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houses that are also in the row as well. It would be nice to have a second
story, but I'd give up that right to preserve the privacy that we have. I hope
that others would do that as well. I'm for the original single-story overlay.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Monica Lynch to be followed Pradipta Ghosh.
Monica Lynch: Good evening. My name is Monica Lynch. I live on 1046
Metro Circle. I'm here with my family, my husband and two of my teenage
boys. We're here to show our support of the single-story overlay zoning
petition. Both my husband, Kevin, and I are school teachers in the Palo Alto
Unified School District. I teach second or third grade little kids at Ohlone
School, which is less than two blocks away from our house. Kevin teaches
seventh grade science at JLS Middle School. We feel extremely lucky and
proud to live and work in this wonderful town of Palo Alto. Before we
purchased our house on Metro Circle, I used to take lunch walks around the
Ohlone School neighborhood. Metro Circle was one of the streets I frequently visited and enjoyed. As a matter of fact, it was on one of those
lunch walks when I spotted the house we ended up buying. I was eight
months pregnant at that time with my second child, and I was giddy with
the fantasy that our children might grow up here in this neighborhood that's
calm, friendly and unpretentious. We live and work in Palo Alto. We plan on
staying in Palo Alto Unified School District for another 15 years also, and we
plan on retiring in our Metro Circle house. We like the character of our
neighborhood the way it is, and we support a single-story overlay. Thank
you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Pradipta Ghosh to be followed by Mike
Murnane.
Pradipta Ghosh: Mayor Holman, esteemed members of the City Council, my
name is Pradipta Ghosh. I live on 2743 Greer Road. We moved here in
2007, and we specifically chose a single-story, close-knit neighborhood to
raise our two boys. Our house is a single-story Eichler; we recently
remodeled it. We added another bedroom, and still it is 1,800-square-foot
house. It feel much bigger than it ever was. We also have parents come to
stay with us, but that doesn't pose a problem even though our lot size is
6,000 square feet. We are plenty comfortable in the small lot that we have. We have expanded our house and kept it single story like we always wanted
to. My wife and I, we volunteer in several different ways in the community.
Both of our boys are boy scouts, and I am a scout leader. My wife is a PTA
chair at Palo Verde. As a family, we love our neighborhood's look and feel.
We love the fact that we are predominantly single story. We love the fact that there are children in the neighborhood, and we share good times with
our neighbors, and we are there for each other. One thing I would like to
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point out is that five of the homeowners on Greer Road that did not sign the
petition, one household is uninhabited for ten years. One house has a
tenant, and one house was recently sold. Overall the percentage of resident
homeowners, like Dave pointed out, who consented to this petition is about
81 percent. We'd really love to preserve the atmosphere of this
neighborhood. We'd like it to stay the way it is right now. We urge the
Council to vote for approving the original motion which is to approve the
SSO overlay for our neighborhood. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you, Mr. Ghosh. You know when the timer goes off
prematurely, you have one lunch with the Vice Mayor. Mike Murnane to be
followed by Don Becson.
Mike Murnane: Good evening, late evening. My name is Mike Murnane. My
wife, Flo, and I live in Metro Circle. We've raised our four children here and
love living in that neighborhood. Recently, long-time neighbors sold their house. The new owners had their architect design a huge, 4,500-square-
foot, two-story, 29-foot high home, maxing out the lot and the
neighborhood. We researched our options of how to protect ourselves
against this kind of thing. We found two avenues of defense: the internal
review process and the single-story overlay. The goals were similar, to
preserve the character of Palo Alto neighborhoods. We further found that
Palo Alto is a city of neighborhoods. The Palo Alto Weekly lists 34
neighborhoods, each with unique characteristics and personalities.
Examples: Barron Park, rural but boasts sidewalks; Professorville, turn of
the century architecture; Community Center, '20s and '30s architecture;
Green Meadow, Eichler's distinctive mid-century modern architecture. I
came to the conclusion that neighborhoods are the reason that most
residents love living here in Palo Alto, and we're included in that. They are
large enough to contain the important City features such as schools, parks,
soccer fields, but small enough that people have a sense of belonging and
identity. We chose to apply for SSO status. It was approved by the
Planning Department. It was reviewed by the Planning and Transportation
Commission.
Mayor Holman: I need you to wrap up, if you could please, sir.
Mr. Murnane: We'd like to ask you to approve this application with no
exceptions. Their exceptions don't make any sense.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much. Don Becson to be followed by Jay
Perera.
Don Becson: Hello. My name's Don Becsom. I own 2889 Greer Road in Palo Alto. I'm right on the edge. I don't know if we can bring back that
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shot, but I'm right on the edge of the border which is—I live on Greer. It's
2889 Greer. I'm right at the end. I'm in favor of—you have a proposal here
of leaving off Amarillo and Greer. Greer has many—if you go up Greer, it's a
long street. It has many two-story homes in the section that I'm in; there's
many on down the street. If you keep on going down, there's two-story
houses all the way down. It doesn't make sense to me to just cut it off at
that point. The homeowners will lose out. If they ever want to build or their
family in the future ever wants to build, this doesn't make any sense to me
at all. Property value isn't going to be the same. People with a large family
aren't going to be interested in a house that they can't add onto, number
one. Number two, if you end up doing this—I could see Metro Circle, if
everybody in that area are interested in maintaining the height of their
homes and without expanding them, that's fine because they're kind of in a
separate little nook. Greer Road and Amarillo is two completely different areas. My backyard backs up to one of those big backyards in Metro Circle.
I can't even see the house. I mean, it's massive. On either side, it's the
same way. Let's see if there was anything else I wanted to make sure and
mention. Right on time. Thank you very much.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Jay Perera to be followed by Rhea Tauiliani.
Jay Perera: Hi, I'm Jay Perera. I live in 1049 Amarillo Avenue. I have lived
in Midtown for past 25 years. What I have seen for the last 25 years, the
people who are living in this area is changing. They're more educated and
they need more space. Their needs are different from the people who live in
the past. I look at my neighbors who lived for 50 years. I am actually
opposing for any changes for the zoning because, like, technology, we
cannot hang onto the past. Also, I heard the last conversation, like
everybody's telling, we need options for when we're laying fiber optics we
don't want to give to Google. The same way, the new residents like me who
are coming here, that is the future. I think we should leave the options laid
out for everybody to make their futures, because we have—anybody can
build a nice house without blocking light and preserving privacy for others. I
have experience. I have past three years bought and sold 30 houses. If
somebody comes here and tell me that the single-story house is equal to two-story house, it's my personal experience buying and selling, I can tell
you that it's not true. There's a big difference compared to my house to my
neighbor's if you look at (inaudible). The only difference is mine is two-
story. It's next door, and it's a huge difference. That is 1045, 47, and I'm
1049. It's at least a half million to a million. Whatever their presentation, what they did is not true. My personal experience buying and selling 30
houses, within the last 30 years there's a big difference. I think I would
really appreciate it, leave it alone. If somebody wants to, let them make the
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decision whether they want to live with a single story or a double story.
Thank you so much.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Rhea Tauiliani to be followed by our final
speaker, Kenneth Lui.
Rhea Tauiliani: Good evening, Council. I'm the homeowner of 2767, and
my husband just spoke a while back. I'd like to add on to the points that he
mentioned. As regards to the privacy considerations, in addition to the City
Building Codes, if you look at the topography of the Greer North tract, we
have circles and lines which in most cases provide a natural way of homes
not facing each other. While this petition does not restrict the design of the
redeveloped homes, single or double, we love the Eichler-like modern
architecture. If we were to expand, we would do so such that it was
designed to blend in with our neighbors and avoid invasion of privacy.
Additionally, as you're aware, we are in the flood zone and, therefore, cannot have a basement. Lastly, I would like to read the extract of the
email that I got from the homeowner at 2779 who is my neighbor with the
two story, who switched from a yes SSO to a no. What she states is with a
house that was barely 1,100 square feet and three children and about 25
years ago, I added a partial second story with an additional 750 square feet,
trying to keep it as consistent as possible with the original Eichler look.
Moving to a bigger house was just too expensive and not an option. I
understand fully well the difficulties of trying to increase the living space on
these small lots, and I'm sympathetic to anyone else in the same position.
Therefore, I would like to change my original position on this proposal from
supporting the ban to opposing the ban on two stories in order to allow for
some expansion of homes on these small lots in this particular tract. This is
also a good reflection of many of our constraints and considerations. Thank
you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you. Our final speaker is Kenneth Lui. Thank you.
Kenneth Lui: Good evening, Council. My name is Kenneth Lui; I live on
2707 Greer Road. Myself and my wife, Rebecca here, are in favor of the
single-story overlay. We are relatively new neighbors here; we only moved
in here about seven years ago when we were having our second child. We just moved in before Conrad was delivered. We renovated the house and
finished in 2012. It was actually used as an example of the outstanding
remodel. I wanted to use this opportunity to address the concerns of
expansion of a small family. We have a relatively small lot, 7,000 square
foot. We expanded the house to 2,400 square foot. With some thoughtful architecture planning, we were able to have two master bedrooms with
attached bathrooms, one with a walk-in closet. We have two kids' room with
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an adjoined, shared bathroom. We also have one extra bedroom for spare.
Also, I wanted to mention that before we moved in to this neighbor, we
looked at 79 houses. 2707 Greer was our 80th house that we looked out.
Because we loved the architecture, we loved the neighborhood, and it was
very important that we retain the look of the Eichler houses when we
decided to renovate. This is why we spent a lot of time designing the house
that we live in now. We're very much in support of keeping the character of
the neighborhood with the single-story overlay. Thank you.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much. At this time, David Hammond as
applicant, you'll have three minutes, should you choose to use them. One
question I would suggest that you respond to is whether—I've forgotten if it
was Greer or Amarillo has C&CRs to your knowledge.
Mr. Hammond: I remember the question. The CC&R applies to the entire
original Greer tract, Greer Park tract. It goes from the school all the way to the park. The answer is yes. The original CC&R goes with the Greer Park
tract.
Mayor Holman: While you're looking for that, perhaps there's something
else, comment you'd like to make. You found it?
Mr. Hammond: Yes. The original Greer Park tract is Van Auken Circle and
all the houses on Amarillo on that side and so forth. It's outlined in red plus
it's outlined in black. It goes from the park all the way to the school. That's
what the CC&R was applied to. You have that from my original ... All I want
to say is that the percentages that were quoted before, why this circle and
Amarillo have totally different participation yes, that's not true. It's 70
percent on Amarillo right now. That means that there's three homes on
Amarillo that said no, and seven that said yes. I think we have to protect
the seven that said yes. Then 70 percent in the circle. As far as Greer goes,
I think there were four or five no and eight or nine yes. Again, it's to protect
those that are yes. Again, a one-story addition on a very small lot, if you
have a good architect, can solve all sorts of problems. I think that Mr. Lui
has already stated that. Thank you.
Public Hearing closed at 12:08 A.M.
Mayor Holman: Thank you very much. I'll bring this back, unless Staff has something to add. We'll bring this back to Council. Why don't we do the
three minutes questions, comments, motions. Council Member Wolbach.
Council Member Wolbach: I'm not ready to make a motion yet, but I just
wanted to acknowledge that—first, thank you to everybody who came. We
heard a lot of really interesting, I think, very helpful comments and a range
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of perspectives. I really appreciate that. Thanks for staying up very late to
be with us this evening, bearing with us. I am leaning towards supporting
this in its original form. This is not as easy, not as cut and dry as the last
single-story overlay that we considered. There is some clear opposition to
this. That one was much closer to unanimous. I think it's important that we
recognize that there really are strong arguments on both sides. There is the
concern for protecting the privacy of neighbors from a second story popping
up behind their backyard or next to them, looking into the side of the house
or over the fence into the side of their house. There's the interest in
protecting the feel of the neighborhood. There's also the interest of
protecting property rights. We shouldn't kid ourselves that those aren't all
at play, that there are serious values. We're going to have make a tradeoff
one way or another. I do think that if we're going to do this, we should do
all or nothing. I do think that it makes sense to extend the single-story overlay through the second half of the Greer Park neighborhood. We
already have it on half of the neighborhood. It makes sense to do it across
the street. Again, unlike the last time we considered one of these, I can't
recommend that without some hesitation. I'd like to hear from my
colleagues before I or somebody makes a motion on this one. I'd also say
that I think we should be really open to considering—we will be discussing
accessory dwelling units in a variety of forms in the coming months. I've
heard some indication from some of the supporters of single-story overlays,
and I'll look forward to having their support to make it easier for people to
add accessory dwelling units. I think that's especially important in a
neighborhood where you're constrained by a single-story overlay, because of
the concern of having multiple generations, multiple retired parents, multiple
children all in one house. Sometimes you can pull it off with really good
architecture, but allowing an accessory dwelling unit or consideration of
easing the lot coverage requirements for neighborhoods with single-story
overlays is something that I think we should be open to considering in the
future.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Burt, questions, comments, motions.
Council Member Burt: I just want to make sure I'm clear on one thing. There were among the letters to us assertions that the single-story overlay
would reduce the permissible square footage that one could build on their
lot. My recollection from having reviewed a number of these on Planning
Commission before was that that's not the case. Is that correct?
Ms. French: That's correct. They get the full floor area ratio, and they get a lot coverage to go with it.
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Council Member Burt: They would potentially lose yard space, and that's the
tradeoff. Second, I'm struggling somewhat on the boundary because I do
believe that the natural and appropriate boundary is the center of the street,
so that you don't have folks in one set of homes and a backyard with two
stories overlooking others that are not. On the other hand, the lots on Greer
and Amarillo are generally smaller. I went back and doubled checked, and
the Planning Commission alternative motion didn't say all are smaller. It
said generally—I forget the exact wording. I think that's a fair assessment.
That goes back to the principle we're not going to deny them the ability to
add a certain amount of house space. It would impact the size of their
yards, but not the house per se. I did want to ask a question that the
Planning Commission did bring up. I think it's a valid one that we've never
addressed, which is what happens in the future if, say, a majority of folks
want to opt out of their CC&R, 55 percent hypothetically. 55 percent want to remove themselves from a single-story overlay; what's our process?
Ms. French: Opting out of the CC&Rs with 55 percent, that sounds like a
majority, a clear majority. That could be a legal instrument that is prepared
and gone through the proper channels for that. As far as undoing a single-
story overlay, they have to get the same percentage. Let's say they opt out
and the CC&R now says two stories are okay, then—would it be 60 or 70
percent? In any case, it's 60 or 70 percent to undo the single-story overlay.
Council Member Burt: That's my recollection. I think that's a flaw in our
process. It's not before us tonight, but if you think about the logic of it,
we're saying that we believe that if 30 percent or more of the people in a
neighborhood don't want their property restricted, then we won't restrict it.
Once we've done that, we're saying that it takes 70 percent of the people in
that neighborhood to not want the restriction in order for us to not have it
restricted. I think that that's something that we have to address. We've
never had that discussion. We haven't had any neighborhoods who have
asked. Over the 20 years that we've had it, we've never had a
neighborhood who has come back and asked to rescind that. It hasn't been
an immediate issue, but I've felt for a long time that it's a real flaw. I don't
agree with that rationale. I remember that we said we want to entitle neighborhoods if they have a clear supermajority to be able to do this. In
particular, if they have their own deed restrictions to be able to do it. I don't
think that the undoing method that we have now is rationally justifiable. I
don't think we have to press it this year because we don't have any
imminent neighborhoods who would like to have it removed. In fact, I haven't heard of anybody who's come there. I think it's something we need
to recognize is a flaw in our process.
Mayor Holman: We were hoping for three-minute rounds.
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Council Member Burt: I'm good now.
Mayor Holman: Vice Mayor.
Vice Mayor Schmid: I want to thank everyone who came tonight, stayed
late to participate and brought up important issues on this. It does seem
clear though that we have the basic rules. A vast majority of people in the
neighborhood do want the single-story overlay. I would move Staff
recommendation reflecting the applicant-requested Greer Park North
boundary for rezoning to R-1(S) single-story overlay.
Council Member Wolbach: Second.
Mayor Holman: Motion by Vice Mayor Schmid and second by Council
Member Wolbach.
MOTION: Vice Mayor Schmid moved, seconded by Council Member
Wolbach to adopt an Ordinance reflecting the Applicant-requested Greer
Park North boundary for rezoning to R-1-S, Single Story Overlay (SSO) zone district.
Mayor Holman: Do you care to speak to your motion?
Vice Mayor Schmid: Just to repeat that these are people who are living in
moderate-size, modest houses who love their neighborhood, have found the
experience of bringing up families in the neighborhood rich and rewarding,
and want to respect that value into the future. We have clear rules that
allow them to do that, so I'm in support of it.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Wolbach, speak to your second.
Council Member Wolbach: In addition to what I said before, also in picking
up on something that Council Member Burt had alluded to. Of the single-
story overlays that we have in the City, we don't get a lot of people saying,
"I won't to undo it." Generally people find that they really like it.
Something else Council Member Burt alluded to—I just wanted actually a
quick question for Staff. Maybe I had forgotten this. You can actually—
when somebody imposes an SSO under our SSO ordinance, they can
actually expand the size of their house more than they could have before.
Right? Is there any change to the FAR or any change to the lot coverage?
Ms. French: Yes, there is a change to lot coverage. The lot ...
Council Member Wolbach: For everybody here, could you clarify again what that is?
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Ms. French: Sure. The lot coverage that is in a non-single-story overlay
neighborhood is restricted to something like 30 percent. Whereas, in the
single-story overlay the Codes specifically say that the maximum lot
coverage is to be equal to the maximum floor area ratio, which is a formula.
It's greater than 30 percent, so they get to put it all on the first floor.
Council Member Wolbach: Thank you, Council Member Burt, for reminding
me of that. I'd suggested in my earlier comments that that's something we
should explore doing. We've already done it. That's already a part of the
SSO. For those who are concerned about finding space for additional family
members through remodels of a home that's restricted to a single story,
under the SSO there are some allowances for larger developments. Again,
I'm seeing some shaking heads in the audience. If there are more tweaks
we need to make to that, whether it's for expansion of the house or for an
accessory dwelling unit, I think that that's something we definitely should be exploring. I do also like Council Member Burt's idea of exploring what it
would take to reverse this in the future. I'm not sure what that number
would be, but I think that's also a discussion worth having in the future.
Given that the residents of this neighborhood have met the threshold, even
in the streets where it was less popular, it's still overwhelmingly popular. I
think that that's appropriate for this neighborhood to establish its future.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Scharff.
Council Member Scharff: Thanks. Just briefly. For the houses that become
nonconforming, the two stories, there's some allusion in the Staff Report
that then they're subject to—I mean, you named some Code section which I
didn't look up. From a practical point of view, what does that mean? What
does that say?
Ms. French: The two-story homes that exist and then become noncomplying
facilities once a single-story overlay is placed on that property. If there was
an act of God, let's say, as phrased in the Code, fire or what have you, they
could replace the home. They can also do some changes to the home. They
can put on additional square footage at the first floor. However, if they
wanted to expand that second floor, that would be increasing the degree of
noncompliance, is the term, and we would not allow that as a matter of right.
Council Member Scharff: You just can't expand the second story, is that ...
Ms. French: Correct.
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Council Member Scharff: If the house burns down, if it's flooded out, any of
that, eaten by termites overnight, any of that kind of stuff, they can replace
it.
Ms. French: We say that's the act of the Devil, but I don't know.
Council Member Scharff: I got that. I just wanted to support what Council
Member Burt said earlier. I especially thought it didn't make sense when
you were sort of hemming and hawing over if they remove the deed
restrictions, it's actually harder because you'd then have to do 70 percent.
Whereas, if you don't remove the deed restrictions, it would be 60 percent.
That clearly told me that we have an issue there. I think at some point we
should definitely take that issue up.
Mayor Holman: Council Member DuBois.
Council Member DuBois: Thanks everybody for staying so late. I think
you've already said it, Amy. The other side of Greer is already in the single-story overlay, so we're talking about one side of the street.
Ms. French: Correct. In this map, you'll see it has an "S" here at the Van
Auken Circle.
Council Member DuBois: To me, the only question is really what boundaries
made sense. I don't think we want to kind of gerrymander a district. I think
we got a letter from the public that said if we took out those two streets, we
then have 14 other homes that are potentially behind two-story houses. I
think the whole thing kind of falls apart. I'd support the Staff's motion. I
think, again, this is basically an SSO connected to another SSO. It turns
into kind of one large SSO, and I kind of see the logic of that. I think that
makes a lot of sense. I would say that I know there's a minority here that's
not happy with the majority. I think it's basically an exercise in shared
neighborhood trust. You guys are basically putting constraints on yourself,
and you're kind of all participating in that. I think hitting that threshold of
60 percent—you guys hit 72—I think we need to respect kind of the large
number of people that are asking for this. I understand some people aren't
happy, but I think it's the right thing to do. I support the motion.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Berman.
Council Member Berman: Thank you everybody for staying so late. This is not a happy moment for me. I understand that some folks in the
neighborhood are going to be happy about the result, but I think a
considerable amount of people are going to be very unhappy about the
result. This is a serious thing. A lot of the folks who came and spoke in
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opposition are young people who are starting families. That's something
that I'm sympathetic to. I did a new count based on the new numbers, and
it seems like 70 percent of the homes on Amarillo are in support, 60 percent
of the homes on Greer are in support, 69 1/2 percent in total are in support.
Obviously 70/30, that's a strong majority, but this is a really, really serious
issue. The neighborhood's deciding to put restrictions on people's homes so
that they can't build second stories, which means that if they do want to
expand, they're going to minimize the amount of open space they have. For
the lots on Amarillo and Greer, those are predominantly smaller lots. I
understand that a lot of the lots within the circles are much bigger, so that's
not that big of an impact. For a 6,000-square-foot lot, that does have an
impact. I just hope that everybody in the neighborhoods understands it's 70
percent and we have our rules. I think I'm going to end up voting to
support it. I'm not happy about doing that, because this really is an unfortunate, I think, result for a lot of people. I just struggle with that
decision. This isn't something that we should take lightly. I absolutely think
that we need to look at the rules for undoing it. Obviously, those don't
make sense with the way they're currently written. There's this concern that
X many lots—by my count it's 12 lots. If we were to exempt Greer and
Amarillo, 12 lots would possibly have two-story homes in their backyards.
By my count, six of those twelve lots are against the single-story overlay
anyhow. Really, only six lots would be impacted. Frankly, those are all—
they seem to be quite large lots that, I'm sure, some shrubbery along the
border could minimize any impact that a two-story house would have. I just
hope that—I trust that this was a decision that wasn't taken lightly. This is
only the second one that this Council has faced. We had zero people come
and speak to us in opposition to that first one. I hope the whole
neighborhood kind of realizes tonight that there are a lot of folks who have
invested a lot of money in their home and their future who are now going to
be in a place that they weren't expecting and they don't support. The
supermajority rules, and we have this ordinance in place. I just hope that
folks realize that while some folks are going to be very happy tonight, a lot
of folks are going to be pretty bummed out.
Mayor Holman: Council Member Filseth.
Council Member Filseth: Just briefly on a procedural point here. There was
some dialog that maybe some of the kinds of houses and owners shouldn't
be counted in the poll. There was some dialog that maybe people with an
existing two-story house shouldn't be counted. There was very briefly the idea that possibly absentee owners shouldn't be counted either or something
or like that. I don't think either of those is right. The ordinance says that all
homeowners get to vote on this. I think that's the right thing to do.
Thanks.
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Mayor Holman: Council Member Burt.
Council Member Burt: I actually neglected to point something out that I
think is quite important. Under existing rules where neighborhoods have
deed restrictions, CC&Rs, as Amy French pointed out, without a single-story
overlay owners of those properties are by the CC&R restricted to being one
story and by our City Code restricted on the amount of lot coverage that
they can have. With the single-story overlay, if you assume that CC&Rs are
legally binding, you actually become allowed to build a bigger house than
you would be able to do under the CC&Rs. Is that correct?
Ms. French: Greater lot coverage, not a bigger house. Bigger house is floor
area. We're not saying bigger house.
Council Member Burt: Yes, but if currently the floor area is limited by lot
coverage and not by FAR, which is the way it is right now, if they're only
allowed to go one story under their CC&Rs, then it's lot coverage that limits the amount of floor area they can build. Once we have the single-story
overlay, lot coverage no longer limits it. They're allowed to build as big of a
house as we would allow under our floor area ratio limits, but they can do it
all on a single story. Do you understand?
Ms. Gitelman: Amy can correct me if I'm wrong with this. I believe that you
can have the greater lot coverage for a single-story home even if there's no
SSO. With the CC&Rs ...
Council Member Burt: Is that correct? I thought you said otherwise
(crosstalk), Amy.
Ms. Gitelman: Amy, can you handle that?
Mayor Holman: I believe it is correct. Individual review encourages people
to build single-story homes. I can't say that it guarantees you the full FAR
though.
Council Member Burt: I thought earlier Amy had said that only with the
single-story overlay it allowed the larger lot coverage.
Ms. Gitelman: We'll confirm that and let the Council know subsequently.
Council Member Burt: Thank you.
Mayor Holman: I'll be supporting the motion. Just to be clear, though, the
lot coverage and the house size, it is limited though by setbacks. You have to satisfy setbacks obviously. Just to be clear on that, you can't just totally
build here, there and everywhere. It makes absolute sense to do the Greer
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portion. There are only two two-story homes on that whole section. As
Council Member Burt alluded to—this is going to be sixes and sevens
actually—you don't ideally change zoning in the middle of the street. It
makes sense to put Greer in since it faces another single-story overlay.
That doesn't actually follow along Amarillo, because across the street from
that is not a single-story overlay. What's causing me to support this is
because there are no two stories along Amarillo in this section and because
the vast majority of owners want it. That's what is causing me to do that.
It also is a good geography. The only negative to me is because it is a
change of zoning in the middle of the street. Not a negatively impacting
one, but it is a change. If it's any reassurance to people who were not
thrilled when they came into this room in supporting this, somebody that I
know who was part of one of the earlier single-story overlays, probably a
good dozen years ago, I saw him maybe three years ago. I bumped into him someplace and he said, "It's the best thing we ever did. The neighbors
are all so happy that we put a single-story overlay on our neighborhood." If
that's any consolation. With that, the motion before us is to adopt an
ordinance reflecting the applicant-requested Greer Park North boundary for
rezoning to an R-1(S) single-story overlay or SSO zoned district. Vote on
the board please. That motion passes unanimously.
MOTION PASSED: 9-0
Female: How many of you (inaudible).
Mayor Holman: Excuse me. We have ... Public comment is closed. This
item is closed. Excuse me, excuse me. The item is closed.
Inter-Governmental Legislative Affairs
None.
Council Member Questions, Comments and Announcements
Mayor Holman: We will now move to Council Member Questions, Comments
and Announcements. Do any Council Members have any? Seeing none.
Council Member Kniss left the meeting at 12:30 A.M.
Closed Session
Mayor Holman: We will go then to our Closed Session. We need a motion
to go into Closed Session.
Vice Mayor Schmid: So moved.
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Mayor Holman: Ma'am, ma'am, please, the item is closed. We have a
Motion to go into Closed Session. I need a second.
Male: Second.
MOTION: Council Member Scharff moved, seconded by Vice Mayor Schmid
to go into Closed Session.
Mayor Holman: Could we vote on the board please. Marc, did you want to
vote on this? Did you want to vote? That Motion passes on an 8-0 with
Council Member Kniss not participating.
MOTION PASSED: 8-0 Kniss absent
Council went into Closed Session at 12:34 A.M.
1. CONFERENCE WITH LABOR NEGOTIATORS
City Designated Representatives: City Manager and his designees
pursuant to Merit System Rules and Regulations (James Keene, Molly
Stump, Suzanne Mason, Kathy Shen, Dania Torres Wong, Alison Hauk) Employee Organizations: Palo Alto Police Officers Association (PAPOA);
Palo Alto Police Managers’ Association (PAPMA; Palo Alto Fire Chiefs’
Association (FCA); International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF),
Local 1319; Service Employees International Union, (SEIU) Local 521;
Management, Professional and Confidential Employees; Utilities
Management and Professional Association of Palo Alto (UMPAPA)
Authority: Government Code Section 54957.6(a).
Council returned from Closed Session at 12:52 A.M.
Mayor Holman announced no reportable action.
Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 12:52 A.M.