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Planning & Transportation Commission 1
Verbatim Minutes: February 12, 2025 2
Council Chambers & Virtual 3
6:00 PM 4
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Call to Order / Roll Call 6
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ROLL CALL 9
Vice-Chair Akin: Good evening, everyone. I call to order this February 12, 2025, meeting of the 10
Planning and Transportation Commission. Before we begin, I have the privilege of introducing 11
our newest commissioner, Dr. Forest Peterson. Welcome, Commissioner Peterson. And now, 12
Ms Dao, if you would call the roll. 13
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Administrative Associate Veronica Dao: Vice-Chair Akin? 15
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Vice-Chair Akin: Here. 17
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Veronica Dao: Commissioner Hechtman? 19
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Commissioner Hechtman: Here. 21
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Veronica Dao: Commissioner Peterson? 1
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Commissioner Peterson: Here. 3
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Veronica Dao: Commissioner Summa? 5
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Commissioner Summa: Here. 7
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Veronica Dao: Commissioner Templeton? 9
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Commissioner Templeton: Here. 11
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Veronica Dao: We have a quorum. 13
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Vice-Chair Akin: Thank you, Ms Dao. 15
Oral Communications 16
The public may speak to any item not on the agenda. Three (3) minutes per speaker.1,2 17
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Vice-Chair Akin: So our first item is to ask if there is any public comment on items that are not 19
on the agenda. So do we have any speaker cards or raised hands? 20
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PUBLIC COMMENTS 1
Veronica Dao: I have no requests to speak. 2
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Vice-Chair Akin: [Very 1:02] good. 4
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Agenda Changes, Additions and Deletions 6
The Chair or Commission majority may modify the agenda order to improve meeting management. 7
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Vice-Chair Akin: Then, Assistant Director Armer, do we have any agenda changes, additions or 9
deletions? 10
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Assistant Director Jennifer Armer: No changes. 12
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Vice-Chair Akin: Okay. Well, let's proceed directly to the City Official Reports then. 14
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City Official Reports 16
1. Directors Report, Meeting Schedule and Assignments 17
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Jennifer Armer: Thank you. So Assistant Director Jennifer Armer and I will give in-, a little bit of 19
a preview of our upcoming meetings. So scheduled for your next meeting on February 26 we 20
have a Vesting Tentative Map scheduled for 4345 El Camino Real, the Planned Home Zoning 21
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application for 70 Encina, and an update about the Bike and Pedestrian Plan. And then at the 1
following meeting, March 12, we currently have tentatively scheduled Planned Home Zoning 2
for 660 University and then bringing to you the El Camino Real Focus Area ordinance changes. 3
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And then I will also give you an update here on some of the items that either have recently 5
occurred or are upcoming at Council and related to the work that you have done. So at the 6
meeting on Monday, we had approval of 3265 El Camino Real – pardon the typo there – and 7
then we had appointment of our newest commissioners. So as mentioned, Commissioner 8
Peterson has been able to join us here today for his first meeting. We expect Commissioner Ji to 9
join us at our next meeting, and then Commissioner James's term would start in April. 10
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And then for the February 24 City Council meeting, the APR, Annual Progress Report, for the 12
Comprehensive Plan and Housing Element will be going t-, for their review. It came to PTC on 13
November 13 of last year. And with that, that is the end of my update for this evening in case 14
you have any questions. 15
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Vice-Chair Akin: I see a light from Commissioner Templeton. Would you like to step in at this 17
point? 18
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Commissioner Templeton: Yes I just – we have the schedule in this report section as well, so I 1
thought I would provide an update that I will not be here next week. Thank you. 2
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Jennifer Armer: At the next meeting? Thank you very much. 4
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Vice-Chair Akin: All right. Do we have a report from Mr. Rius? 6
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Senior Engineer Rafael Rius: Yes. Hi. Thank you. I'm Rafael Rius, Senior Engineer with the Office 8
of Transportation. Just a brief update from me today. Yesterday the collision data for December 9
was sent out to the Committee – or to the Commission. I'm sorry. One announcement that the 10
Crescent Park Traffic Calming Project – transportation staff is anticipating bringing that item to 11
this Commission in – early April right now is what we're anticipating. And then the El Camino 12
Real Repaving and Bike Lane Project by Caltrans is still ongoing, currently in the striping phases. 13
That has potential to be delayed by the weather. It's really weather dependent whether they 14
can do the work. And then completion of the cutting [inaudible 4:27] the traffic signals is 15
scheduled right now for June. And that's – those are the only updates I have unless there's 16
questions. 17
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Vice-Chair Akin: Questions, Commissioners? Thank you, Mr. Rius. I think we're all set. 19
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Rafael Rius: Thank you. 1
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Action Item 3
Public Comment is Permitted. Applicants/Appellant Teams: Fifteen (15) minutes, plus three (3) minutes rebuttal. 4
All others: Five (5) minutes per speaker. 5
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2. Recommend that Council Adopt a Resolution Amending the Comprehensive Plan to 7
Re-Classify a Portion of Ramona Street and California Avenue as Car-Free Streets. 8
CEQA Status: An Addendum to the Comprehensive Plan Environmental Impact 9
Report (EIR) (SCH#2014052101) Has Been Prepared. Zone District: Not Applicable 10
(Public Right-of-Way). 11
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Vice-Chair Akin: All right. With that, I believe we're ready to move on to our first action item. 14
Ms Armer, do you have the report? 15
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Jennifer Armer: So I will not be giving the report, but I will pass it off to my colleague. She can 17
introduce herself. 18
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Ashwini Kantak: Great. Thank you. Good evening, Commissioners. Ashwini Kantak with the City 20
Manager's Office. On Zoom, we are joined by Heather Gurewitz from the M-Group as well as 21
other staff in case there's questions. And we're really excited to be here today because this is a 22
critical step in the potential permanent closure of portions of California Avenue and Ramona 23
Street to vehicular traffic. As I think you're all aware, both these streets have been closed to 24
vehicular traffic since June of 2020, and Council has taken several actions to continue the 25
temporary closure. In November of 2023, Council directed staff to take the necessary actions to 26
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permanently close these streets to vehicular traffic, and today's action is part of implementing 1
that direction. So I'll just go over briefly what the project is about today. We are recommending 2
amending the Comprehensive Plan Transportation Element to reclassify portions of California 3
Avenue and Ramona Street as car-free streets. We'll also be adding definitions in the glossary of 4
the Comp Plan. An addendum to the Comprehensive Plan EIR, Environmental Impact Report, 5
has been prepared which supports this recommendation. 6
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Next slide please. And so we are proposing 2 new street classifications, a community street and 8
a pedestrian street. So California Avenue would be reclassified as a community street, and that 9
would mean r-, being restricted to pedestrians and bicycles. We would have either a speed limit 10
or some other mechanism to ensure slow bike lanes. Emergency, utility, and maintenance 11
vehicles would be allowed. Commercial vehicles would require approval through an exception 12
process for special circumstances and special events such as Farmers Market and 3rdThursdays. 13
Ramona Avenue would be reclassified as a pedestrian street, and that would mean primarily 14
restricted to pedestrians. It is a fairly short segment, about 200 feet. So to support a truly safe 15
pedestrian zone, mounted bicycles would not be allowed for that 200-foot length of street 16
closed to cars. Similar to a community street, we would have emergency, utility, and 17
maintenance vehicles allowed. 18
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Next slide please. And so this shows you the project locations. Again, Ramona between – a 1
portion of Ramona between University and Hamilton and then California between El Camino 2
Real and Birch Street. And the next 2 slides just zoom in to the 2 locations. So if you could just 3
go through the next 2 slides. So this is the car-free portion of California Avenue and then the 4
car-free portion of Ramona Street. 5
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Next slide. So as noted in the staff report, the proposed resolutions – there's 2 resolutions that 7
support and advance goals and policies in the Comprehensive Plan both – in the Land Use 8
Element, Natural Element, and Transportation Element. And those – examples of those are 9
reducing emissions, encouraging walkability, revitalizing retail areas, and promoting historic 10
preservation through consultation with the Tribes. 11
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Next slide please. Staff along with consultants have conducted extensive community and 13
stakeholder outreach for both these streets. The first round was between October 2022 and 14
April 2023. There was additional outreach then last year for Cal Ave from February to 15
November of 2024. And as you can see here, many tools and forums were used to engage 16
specific stakeholders as well as the larger community, including meetings, focus groups, 17
surveys, and public meetings. 18
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Next slide please. So our immediate next step after today's discussion would be City Council 1
consideration of the permanent closure, and we will be targeting either City Council meeting in 2
March – mid-March or early April. The potential future next steps, which are, of course, 3
contingent on Council approval, would be approval and implementation of Outdoor Activation 4
Standards and then Phased Street Improvements. So we are envisioning some street 5
improvements that would be done in multiple phases. The first phase for both California 6
Avenue and Ramona Street would be this calendar year. 7
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Next slide please. So as we move into the recommendation, here's some key considerations for 9
you. Again, Council direction. So Council has taken several actions since June of 2020 to 10
temporarily close these portions of California and Ramona Street and have asked us to bring 11
back actions for permanent closure and, again, with an objective of enhancing outdoor dining, 12
retail, and supporting economic vibrancy. We have conducted extensive ta-, stakeholder 13
outreach over the past several years, so community and merchant engagement. We've also – as 14
part of this particular item that we're bringing to you, we have reached out to external 15
agencies, tribal agencies, have done consultations, and then, of course, this was noticed as a 16
public hearing. The action is also consistent with City policies and plans, so Comprehensive Plan 17
as well as the Zoning Ordinance. And then the environmental analysis shows that there is no 18
new or substantially more severe significant effects compared to those in the original Comp 19
Plan EIR and there's no new mitigation measures proposed. 20
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Next slide please. And so these are the recommendations that we would like the Planning and 2
Transportation Commission to consider and recommend that the City Council consider the 3
environmental analysis and adopt 2 resolutions, 1 to amend the Comp Plan Transportation 4
Element and the second approving the proposed street closures and setting forth the provisions 5
for allowed uses within the street. And that concludes my presentation. I'm happy to take 6
questions, either myself or the staff and consultants we have on Zoom. Thank you so much. 7
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Vice-Chair Akin: Thank you, Ms Kantak. Do we have any clarifying questions? Commissioner 9
Hechtman. 10
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Commissioner Hechtman: Thank you. This one is for Mr. Yang if he's available anywhere. 12
Evening, Mr. Yang. I think I know the answer to this, but I thought I should just ask and get it 13
out to the way. Where the City is either vacating or abandoning a street, there are some 14
processes they have to go through with the streets and highway codes. Here, we are closing it 15
to most vehicular traffic other than some categories but not going so far as to vacate or 16
abandon. So I just wanted to make sure we don't have any street and highway code steps that 17
need to be folded into this. In this particular situation, we're just making it a pedestrian-type, 18
vehicle-free type street. 19
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Albert Yang: Yes. I believe my colleagues have looked into that issue and determined that no 1
additional steps are necessary right now. 2
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Commissioner Hechtman: All right. Thank you. 4
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Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Summa. 6
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Commissioner Summa: Thank you. I have just a quish-, quick question along those lines, and 8
that was if any – if there was any required outreach to Caltrain since California Avenue is a 9
route to the station there? 10
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Ashwini Kantak: Yes. Thank you so much for the question. Yes. The external agencies included 12
the – Caltrans, Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority, and then, of course, we reached out 13
to the tribal agencies as well. 14
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Commissioner Summa: And I probably misspoke. I meant Caltrain because of the station. 16
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Ashwini Kantak: Oh, okay. And I will let Heather from M-Group chime in, but we have not 18
reached out to Caltrain... 19
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Commissioner Summa: Okay. 1
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Ashwini Kantak: …but I'll let Heather – if you don't mind, responding to that. 3
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Commissioner Summa: Thank you. 5
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Heather Gurewitz: Good evening, Planning Commis-, Planning and Transportation 7
Commissioners. My name is Heather Gurewitz. And we reached out to Sonoma County – I'm 8
sorry, excuse me – Santa Clara Valley Transit Authority regarding connectivity, but we did not 9
reach out to Caltrain. And Santa Clara Valley, they did provide us with feedback, but they did 10
not – just in terms of what the changes were that they were making to the bus route – but they 11
did not have any comments or specific concerns. 12
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Commissioner Summa: Okay. Thank you. 14
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Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Templeton. 16
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Commissioner Templeton: Thank you. Just to follow up. This is a tr-, a major train stop along the 18
Caltrain path, and d-, just to clarify, did you say you did not speak to Caltrain about this change? 19
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Steve Guagliardo: [The 14:55] – good evening, Committee members. Steve Guagliardo. I'm 1
Assistant to the City Manager for Economic Development. So the portion of the car-free street 2
does not actually verge on the Caltrain station nor impact circulation out of the Caltrain parking 3
lot or station. The most immediate impact is on the circulation for VTA and buses coming to and 4
from there, and that's what Heather alluded to in the correspondence and coordination with 5
them. So… 6
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Commissioner Templeton: With respect… 8
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Steve Guagliardo: [Inaudible 15:24]. 10
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Commissioner Templeton: With respect, I – I'm – that sounds like a discussion question and not 12
a question for staff, but you're saying no, you did not speak to Caltrain and you're s-, you're 13
going to stick by that. Is that my understanding? 14
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Steve Guagliardo: Yeah. So happy to let Heather elaborate more if necessary, but given the 16
impact… 17
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Commissioner Templeton: Yeah. I – it's a simple question. Did we – did the City of Palo Alto 1
review this change with the train service that services California Avenue, which used to be 2
possible to drive down to get to the train station? 3
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Steve Guagliardo: Prior to the status of it as a car-free street, and as Heather alluded to earlier, I 5
do not believe that outreach was conducted to Caltrain. 6
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Jennifer Armer: So yeah. So the straightforward, really clear answer is that no outreach was 8
done to Caltrain. 9
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Commissioner Templeton: Thank you for the straight answer. I very much appreciate that. And 11
then to double down because I know Commissioner Summa lives near this intersection, 12
Caltrans, the owners of El Camino Real, was coordinated with. To be more specific, do we think 13
that they would be amenable to things like fixing the light once we close the street 14
permanently? 15
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Steve Guagliardo: Again, Steven Guagliardo. Happy to speak to that briefly. The short answer is 17
yes. One of the things that we are working on with Caltrans is encroachment permits for near-18
term improvements at the intersection of California Avenue and El Camino Real, and one of the 19
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second pieces for the encroachment permit and more extensive work is the status of the street 1
as a permanently closed, car-free street. And so… 2
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Commissioner Templeton: Thank you. 4
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Steve Guagliardo: …the action taken tonight by PTC and ultimately by Council to amend the 6
Comp Plan will aid in the processing of that encroachment permit. 7
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Commissioner Templeton: Thank you. 9
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Vice-Chair Akin: If there are no others, I'll go ahead with my quick one. Regarding the definition 11
of the community street where we refer to pedestrians and bicycles and we anticipate there 12
will be other devices – other transportation devices used there. So I gather from your earlier 13
comment, we'll rely on a speed limit to manage that physically. The question is since we're 14
amending the Comp Plan, do we need to add a definition for the categories of vehicles that 15
we'll be permitting there or is bicycle sufficient? And I didn't see bicycle defined in the glossary, 16
so that might also need an elaboration. 17
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Jennifer Armer: Thank you for that question. I'll go ahead and start and then see if any of our 19
colleagues have something to add. I would say that that is a common enough term that it is 20
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something that doesn't need to be specifically defined in the glossary for the Comprehensive 1
Plan. I think the – a discussion, if there are particular concerns about what would or wouldn't 2
be allowed, could be part of your consideration. And as we move through the design portions 3
of how more permanent upgrades are going to be done for this space and adjustments in 4
design, I'm sure that will come into that discussion as well. But in terms of modifications to the 5
Comprehensive Plan, I generally recommend not getting too specific because then it allows us 6
to work out those details on a case-by-case basis. 7
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Vice-Chair Akin: Very good. Thank you. Any other questions? If not, do we have public comment 9
on this item? 10
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Veronica Dao: I have no speaker cards or raised hands. 13
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Vice-Chair Akin: Very good. Commissioners, would you like to move on to detailed comments? 15
Please hit your lights. Commissioner Templeton? 16
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Commissioner Templeton: Thanks. I'll just jump in with – [follow on 19:49] to my earlier 18
question. In general, I am in favor of maintaining the closure on California Avenue. I love to 19
hang out there. I love the amenities that having that street closed to vehicular traffic provides. 20
One of the things I'm concerned about is buy-in from Caltrain because this is 1 of 2 train statio-, 21
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well, technically there's possibly another – no, but there's 2 stops in Palo Alto that we need to 1
be aware of and make sure that they feel like they're getting the full service from. And one 2
change we have made is access to the train station. Instead of being direct, now has to go in an 3
indirect way. That is fine for me when I'm using the train, but I can imagine for people who go 4
multiple times a day such as public buses that go there from Stanford or people from other 5
group type of transit might be concerned. And so if we haven't had a chance to talk to them 6
about it and make sure that they're on board, I think that's a risk for the City. We'll, of course, 7
weigh in, but we're not running those kinds of transit agencies. We're just individuals 8
communicating with individuals in the community, but for this to be effective long term, we 9
need their input and buy-in, I would suggest, to be successful. Thank you. 10
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Vice-Chair Akin: Thank you [inaudible 21:28]. 12
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Commissioner Templeton: Looks like there's somebody who wanted to – was Mr. Guagliardo 14
planning to – were you going to say something in response? I saw you came on the screen. 15
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Steve Guagliardo: Yes. I was not sure if there was a question there in understanding your 17
perspective about supporting. I just wanted to add some additional context that we have also 18
coordinated with Stanford Research Park who runs a shuttle as part of their transportation 19
[inaudible 21:56] management to and from the Cal Ave Caltrain station. They are supportive of 20
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this action and are coordinating pieces there. And broadly, Caltrain is supportive of non-single 1
occupant vehicle as an access mode to their stuff – to their stations. That said, you had 2
mentioned the buses as well, and again, that's the coordination with VTA in terms of routing for 3
their transit to and from the Caltrain station. 4
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Commissioner Templeton: How… 6
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Steve Guagliardo: [Inaudible 22:22]. 8
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Commissioner Templeton: …how are they being directed to get to the train station? Can you – 10
are they going to go through the neighborhood? 11
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Steve Guagliardo: [Inaudible 22:28] they have alternate [routing]? 13
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Commissioner Templeton: Yeah, is it going… 15
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Steve Guagliardo: [Inaudible 22:30]. 17
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Commissioner Templeton: …through the neighborhood adjacent? 19
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Steve Guagliardo: I believe the VTA – and that Heather probably has more information about 1
the routing specifics… 2
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Commissioner Templeton: Mm-hm. 4
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Steve Guagliardo: …and so I'll [concede 22:39] to her. 6
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Heather Gurewitz: Yes. Hi. So Bus Route 89 is the route that SCVTA runs down – in the past, it 8
ran down California Avenue. So we did reach out to them and they now are going – right now, 9
they had a slightly – or sorry. When I talked to them in December, they had a slightly different 10
route, but they were starting a new route in January of 2025 that would go down Page Mill 11
Road. And the estimated increase in runtime was 5 percent over a 12-minute ride, so 12
approximately 36 seconds of increased travel time. 13
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Commissioner Templeton: Where's the Marguerite going? 15
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Heather Gurewitz: I don't – the Marguerite? 17
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Commissioner Templeton: Yes. 19
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Steve Guagliardo: Yeah. So the shuttle for the Research Park, I don't have the exact routing for 1
that nor do I have information about the increased time there, but as part of Stanford Research 2
Park's outreach, we can certainly get that when we return to Council. 3
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Commissioner Templeton: Yeah. I think it would be a nice complement. I noticed it wasn't in 5
our packet or in the presentation, so I think that would cover all the bases as long as we were 6
able to say these are the routes and these are accepted. I'm glad to hear that the VTA is not 7
going to be going through the neighborhood to get to the train station. Yeah. I think it'd be nice 8
to have that diagram. Thanks. 9
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Vice-Chair Akin: Thank you, Commissioner Templeton. Commissioner Hechtman. 11
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Commissioner Hechtman: Thank you. So I'm going to give some maybe overview comments in 13
this round and then I have some specific suggestions on the resolutions, which I'll hold for a 14
second round. So initially I'm going to say I'm supportive. I think it's exciting to reenvision this 15
part of Cal Avenue and Ramona and to see how we can really make it a vibrant kind of unique 16
feature of these 2 landscapes in the context of the bigger commercial areas where there will be 17
some part that's just walkable and other parts where people can drive. So I'm really excited 18
about that. I do think regarding Caltrain, I think Commissioner Templeton raises a good point 19
and maybe it was – California's been closed for 5 years, and perhaps the outreach wasn't made 20
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because if Caltrain had a problem with it, we would've heard about it long ago. But 1
nonetheless, I think the – to me, the point is well taken that it's a T we should cross. And so this 2
is going from us on to Council and so I'm hoping that staff will cross that T. And it may well be 3
that Caltrain says no, we have no issues, but if a Council member asks, I think we're going to 4
want to be able to give them that answer. So I think we should do that. 5
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The big picture idea that I'm hoping to entice my fellow commissioners to move forward as a 7
part of this package going to Council is the idea of investigating monetizing commercial use of 8
our public streets. Before the pandemic, if I had a restaurant or shop on Cal Avenue and I was 9
bursting at the seams and wanted to grow, if the place next door to me was vacant, I could go 10
to the landlord and say I will rent that from you, I will pay you for that, and expand my business 11
that way. The pandemic gave us kind of an unusual new look nationwide about using public 12
property because at the time it was safer. And now I think we, by and large, no longer have that 13
issue, but we found that doing it really adds to the vibrancy of our communities. And so here 14
we are considering really making it permanent, but I do think that it's appropriate to at least 15
consider whether there should be a fee for that. And the amount of that fee, that is sort of a 16
second question whether – obviously it would need to be appropriate to not dissuade 17
businesses from creating a more vibrant area but also significant enough that it could provide 18
some additional funding to the City, which, of course, we're always looking for. So I'm hoping 19
that some of my other – my fellow commissioners might think about that and consider 20
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including it in the recommendation. Again, I'm just talking about sort of the general 1
recommendation to investigate the possibility, see what other communities are doing, that sort 2
of thing at this point. So I'm going to conclude my general comments now and I'll come back for 3
a second round. Thanks. 4
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Vice-Chair Akin: Mr. Guagliardo? 6
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Steve Guagliardo: I'm sorry. Was I acknowledged? 8
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Vice-Chair Akin: Yes. 10
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Steve Guagliardo: I just wanted to chime in in response to that comment. Fully appreciate the 12
comment and that is consistent with prior Council direction received on this. So other uses of 13
the public right of way such as our Parklet Program that applies to outdoor dining 14
establishments that are sited next to vehicular traffic have to pay a fee, both a permit fee and a 15
license fee for the space. And previous Council direction has been as we develop permanent 16
outdoor dining and activation guidelines for California Avenue and Ramona Street to apply a 17
similar template. So rest assured, Commissioner Hechtman, it is not only explored, it is 18
expected as we develop the guidelines for the use of that space by private entities. 19
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Commissioner Hechtman: Thank you. Glad to hear it. 1
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Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Summa. 3
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Commissioner Summa: Thank you. I have a few sort of questions and comments, but in general, 5
I think that this is all good and obv-, Council's given very clear policy direction. Do I agree with 6
every single word? Probably not but none of it is significant enough to rise to occasion. And I 7
was just concerned there was a requirement to get Caltrain buy-in, and that's why I asked the 8
question, just to make sure we were being prudent. So that's the only thing. And then I have a 9
few other comments in no particular order. Back at Page 29, Section 3, there's additional rules 10
for the closed streets, and I was wondering if it would be good here to mention that the speed 11
for non-pedestrians, bicycles and other vehicles, whatever the correct term is for scooters and… 12
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Commissioner Templeton: [Inaudible 30:25]. 14
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Commissioner Summa: …elec-, what is it? 16
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Commissioner Templeton: [Modes of transit 30:27]. 18
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Commissioner Summa: Other modes of transit. That's fine. I thought there was something for 1
scooters and electric scooters and bikes, but anyhow – that that will be controlled by speed 2
limits. I thought maybe that was good to add there. 3
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And then on Packet Page 11, this was just a little confusing to me. It refers to Map T-5 in the 5
Comp Plan, and it sort of explains this also that Map T-5 in the Comp Plan and, in fact, the 6
definitions of different kinds of streets is not listed in the Comp Plan. It's like it's missing I think, 7
and it's odd because I worked on the Comp Plan, but I was not on that subcommittee. And so it 8
says local/collector streets, and there a-, there's no differentiation. But there is a much better 9
map actually on the transportation – on the City of Palo Alto website for the Office of 10
Transportation that is more accurate and might be better to use instead of the Comp Plan Map 11
T-5. So that was just an observation. 12
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And then back at Page 14, we're going to replace 2 of the 3 identified ADA spots on Cal Ave. I 14
would urge us moving forward when it – because we're going to have lots of situations like this 15
potentially – to replace all or as many as we can. I mean it's really important for persons with 16
disabilities to park close. We did have one letter from someone or maybe it was a comment on 17
Palo Alto Online or something about a person who felt they would no longer be able to use 18
California Avenue because of acc-, because of ADA accessibility issues. So I think replacing all, 19
not two-thirds or most of the spaces we're missing, should be a goal here. 20
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1
And then lastly, I did not see, but perhaps I missed it, any specific consideration of impacts on 2
circulation for vehicles in – to and from the new safety building. Did I miss it? Or p-… 3
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Ashwini Kantak: Heather? 5
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Heather Gurewitz: Yes. Hi. So we don't necessarily break it down by building by building, but 7
there was a traffic impact analysis that was done by a traffic engineer. And the result of that is 8
that basically there's overall – prior to street closure, there's been a decrease in actual vehicle 9
traffic, so there is no impact from the project. 10
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Commissioner Summa: Okay. I was just – I saw that, of course, but I was just wondering if there 12
had been any specific analysis of potential impacts on the safety building, but the answer is no, 13
it's wrapped into the whole thing. So those are all my comments. Thank you. 14
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Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Peterson. 16
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Commissioner Peterson: Thank you. 18
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Commissioner Hechtman: Nice ring to that. 20
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Commissioner Peterson: Thank you. So I have a quick question. On – and I'm not sure if this is 2
for M-Group but it probably is. There's alleyways that run on either side of California Avenue, 3
and right now – those were delivery addresses. If you walk down those alleyways, one's New 4
Mayfield and the other one – I don't see what the name is – but is there a plan to do 5
improvements on those what were alleyways into actual more of a frontage road for the 6
businesses on Cal Ave and then also maybe replace the ADA parking on the alleyways? But I do 7
– I did see the reference to the parking garage. There's a new parking garage. There's also 8
public parking on the other side of California Avenue, but that is quite a ways to try to navigate 9
the entire street from just those parking garages. Thank you. 10
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Ashwini Kantak: Steve or [Bruce 34:43], can you take that question? 12
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Steve Guagliardo: Good evening, Commissioners. Steve Guagliardo again. Happy to speak to the 14
idea of improvements to the alleyways as they become used even more. So what we've seen 15
from the closure in summer of 2020 is that those alleyways become the primary delivery 16
routes, and what we continue to do is explore how they're being used and make sure that 17
they're being used effectively and efficiently. We have started a project with Public Works to 18
look at Lot 8, which is on Jacaranda, which is the other alleyway that I believe you were 19
referencing, Commissioner, and seeing what can be done there. We continue to work with 20
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businesses on the location of their dumpsters and waste enclosures in those alleyways to make 1
sure they're sited appropriately so vehicles can navigate there. And as we continue to talk 2
about the future of Cal Ave, once this necessary procedural step is through this Commission 3
and then Council, happy to look at what options there may be for further improvements. 4
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Commissioner Peterson: Chair, can I ask a follow-up question? 6
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Vice-Chair Akin: Please do. 8
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Commissioner Peterson: So on the alleyways. Yeah, of course, where the dumpsters, the 10
garbage, everything else, but I was thinking also the pathways for egress. There's a lot of legacy 11
probably to code in the 1960s or '70s but probably not to code today for handicap ramps. The 12
ramps are probably there, but if you try to walk from the parking lots onto Cal Ave, it's a bit of a 13
– it's a little bit of a – even walking, I have to watch where I'm going to make sure I don't fall 14
over something. 15
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Steve Guagliardo: Yeah. Understood. And so on that question in terms of pedestrian access 17
from parking lots through, I think one of the things we have in the visioning and as we propose 18
the designs, again, once we're through these necessary procedural steps, is looking at how to 19
enhance those alleyways and that includes not just aesthetically but also functionally. And the – 20
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not just the alleyways themselves, but to your point, the full path of travel and the experience 1
of a patron on California Avenue from as they pull in either parking or bicycling or whatever 2
mode of transit they're taking and then getting from if they park a car from the parking lot to 3
the street itself. 4
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Commissioner Peterson: All right. Thank you. An elderly resident actually stopped me on 6
California Avenue and, for this reason, asked me to help carry her bags to her car in one of 7
those parking lots simply to navigate. So it's a real example. Thank you. 8
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Vice-Chair Akin: If there are no others for this round, I'll make my one comment on this. I did 10
review the EIR Addendum and that looks fine after the usual translation from EIR speak. The 11
reduction in traffic volumes around Cal Ave is really eye opening. It's sort of hard to draw many 12
conclusions from that, but nevertheless, I think I'm comfortable accepting the idea that there 13
will be no new significant impacts. So no objection there. All right. Shall we begin with the next 14
round? Commissioner Hechtman. 15
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Commissioner Hechtman: Thank you. So reading through the resolutions, I've got some 17
suggestions for staff to consider. And as I usually do on these, I'm not asking staff to comment 18
back yay or nay on anything right now, just to consider it, and I'm hoping that our motion at the 19
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end of this, that the motion will include latitude for staff to make whatever changes they 1
consider are appropriate based upon the feedback they've gotten here. 2
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So I want to start with the second resolution in our packet, which starts on Packet Page 24. 4
That's the resolution for closure, and then we'll go back to the first resolution, which is the 5
resolution to amend the Comp Plan. So in the resolution for closure, it's a very lengthy set of 6
Recitals A through Y, and it's clear from the context that this was a resolution that kept growing 7
from the initial temporary closure through each successive temporary closure providing sort of 8
what was happening with the pandemic and why we wanted to extend the temporary closure. 9
And that was great for its time, but now we're past that time. And now what we're doing is, for 10
reasons that are not based on public health or safety or streets and highways code, we've 11
decided this is a good thing. Even though its origin may have been the pandemic, that's not the 12
reason we're doing it. And in fact, this has been sort of carried out so long, I noticed in Recital R, 13
it refers to the high likelihood that the pandemic will continue through the end of 2021. So I 14
believe at this point we can clean up this resolution by getting rid of Recitals C through I, N, O, 15
P, and R. I think all of those were useful in their time but really are distracting to the purpose of 16
this resolution today. 17
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Let's see. Next on Packet Page 27, at the top of the page, we have Recitals X and Y. And so I'm 19
going to – Y – well, X is the Planning Commission recommendation and Y is that the Council 20
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considered those recommendations. And what our recommendation is is to amend the map 1
and the glossary. That's in the first resolution, and that's reflected in Y but the glossary is not in 2
X, but that's part of it. So I would suggest that staff consider adding after the reference to T-5 3
“and the glossary” so that we have consistency there. 4
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And then next, Packet Page 29, Section 3.1. The way this is currently written: As determined by 6
the City Manager, emergency vehicles shall be permitted access only during an emergency or 7
blah, blah, blah. Well, I know we're not saying that if there's an emergency, police or fire have 8
to go check with the City Manager, and I think what was intended will be accomplished if you 9
take “as determined by the City Manager” from the front of the first sentence and move it to 10
the back of the second sentence because that's – the second sentence is really what you're 11
talking about is these discretionary accesses, not emergency accesses. So you could consider 12
that. 13
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And then, let's see. On this same Page 29, 3.2 – so we have new definitions in our code and our 15
Comp Plan for pedestrian-only street and community street, and so – and we have those same 16
definitions in both of these resolutions. And under those definitions, some travel is allowed and 17
some is restricted. And one of the things I noticed is that City utility and maintenance vehicles 18
are allowed, whereas private utility or maintenance vehicles, if I have to get a repair person to 19
my shop, those are restricted because you have to get City permission, and that's what it says in 20
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3.2. But if you look at the definitions of pedestrian-only streets on Page 29, it says these 1
pedestrian-only streets are streets that are restricted to pedestrian, emergency vehicle, and 2
utility and maintenance vehicles only. I think you need the word City utility there because that's 3
what is allowed without restriction, and I think you need to distinguish that so that there aren't 4
private entities and companies who get themselves in trouble and look at these code 5
provisions. So I think in both definitions you need the word City before utility, and you may 6
need to clarify that private utility or maintenance vehicles are allowed on a restricted basis just 7
the way you have – and I think that's actually covered in commercial vehicles are allowed on a 8
restricted basis, which is stated in the second definition of community street. So those same 9
comments apply on Packet Page 20 to the first resolution, that you should consider making that 10
reference to City utility and maintenance vehicles being allowed and then somehow – because 11
remember, these are 2 standalone resolutions and somebody reading the Comp Plan won't 12
have the benefit of 3.2 of the ordinance necessarily, and so I think you want it to stand on its 13
own and so that people don't get confused and unintentionally do the wrong thing. 14
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Picking up on a note I made that's consistent with a couple of the other commissioners. We 16
have referred here to bikes when they are and aren't allowed, but there are scooters, 17
motorized and not, skateboards, those sorts of things, and so just give some thought to 18
whether there's going to be some vagueness here and people are going to think okay, well, it 19
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says no bikes but it doesn't say no scooters, so I can bring my scooter or whatever. So give that 1
a little thought. Those are my clarifying suggestions for the resolutions. Thank you. 2
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Commissioner Summa: May I ask a quick question? 4
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Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Summa? 6
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Commissioner Summa: Thank you. Thank you for those comments. I was also struck by the 8
many, many, many unnecessary COVID references, but could you just repeat – you want to 9
remove C through I and then N, O, and P? 10
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Commissioner Hechtman: And R. 12
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Commissioner Summa: And R. Okay. Thank you. 14
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Vice-Chair Akin: I see no other lights at the moment. If there are no other comments, perhaps 16
it's time to make a motion. Commissioner Hechtman. 17
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Commissioner Hechtman: Let me give it a try. Let's see. I will move the staff recommendation 19
plus the recommendation that staff have the liberty to make whatever changes to either 20
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resolution that they feel are warranted based upon the comments they've heard from 1
commissioners tonight as this makes a way toward Council, that staff consult with Caltrain 2
before this reaches Council on any concerns they may have about the closure of Cal Ave, and I 3
think that's it. I think given what our staff has said, I don't think I need to include anything 4
about monetizing the public right of way . 5
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Commissioner Templeton: I'll second. 7
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Vice-Chair Akin: Just a question. Do you feel that you need to be specific about the changes that 9
we're considering or shall we just assume all of those that you described in your previous 10
comment? 11
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Commissioner Hechtman: So my intention by the way I worded the motion was that staff has 13
taken notes and will have a transcript and they will use their best judgment to make or not 14
make changes to the resolution, and I'm comfortable with that. 15
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Jennifer Armer: And through the Vice-Chair, if any commissioners have concerns about any of 17
the comments that Commissioner Hechtman suggested, we would welcome that feedback now, 18
but we would be assuming that the recommendation includes consideration of all of those that 19
were laid out in his last comment. 20
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Vice-Chair Akin: Very good. Commissioner Summa. 2
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Commissioner Summa: Thank you. Just a question for the maker and the seconder. Would you 4
consider incorporating the idea of no net loss of ADA and particular attention, as our newest 5
commissioner mentioned, improvements to the alleyways and pathways, which is on Packet 6
Page 14, for ADA accessibility, or do you… 7
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Commissioner Hechtman: So I don't know where the additional ADA spot would go. And I 9
suspect if there was an easy place to put it, they would've already put it there. So I'm hesitant 10
to recommend that we're requiring that, but I think it's appropriate to recommend that they 11
investigate if there's a location for the lost spot. 12
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Commissioner Summa: Consider. If I said require, I didn't mean it. I meant consider. 14
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Commissioner Hechtman: Yeah. 16
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Commissioner Templeton: Given how much par-, city parking we have around there, I think this 18
is a achievable goal and I'm happy to support that if it's included as well. 19
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Commissioner Hechtman: Yeah. So as the maker of the motion, I'm comfortable with that 1
amendment. Now if we can just talk for a minute about the idea of the improvements to the 2
alleyways, can one of you restate how you'd like to see that in the motion? 3
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Jennifer Armer: I – if I could, through the Chair, I welcome this discussion, but I did want to 5
point out that those kinds of improvements will be part of the next stages of this process and 6
that will be returning to you for further discussion at a future meeting. 7
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Commissioner Summa: Yeah. It's just a broad idea of incorporating it into the motion to indicate 9
our interest in tha-, those issues, not to be prescriptive at all. 10
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Commissioner Hechtman: Yeah. So I think this is really similar to what I'm hearing on the 12
monetization issue is that it's part of the plan already. And so because we know that it's part of 13
the plan, and I appreciate staff clarifying it's part of the plan, I don't think we need to fold it into 14
the motion. 15
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Commissioner Templeton: I would go so far as to say the fact that we're saying [hi 50:54], if this 17
comes back to us and doesn't have that, we're going to say something. Like, we've already 18
communicated that very effectively. So I agree we want to see that and I – it sounds to me like 19
staff – and you can confirm – it sounds like staff hears that loud and clear. 20
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Commissioner Summa: That's fine. It doesn't have to be in the motion for it to be on the record. 2
So… 3
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Commissioner Templeton: [Yeah, exactly 51:13]. 5
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Jennifer Armer: Message received. 7
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Commissioner Hechtman: Okay. So the motion as amended includes the consideration of 9
finding an additional ADA parking space appropriately located. 10
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Vice-Chair Akin: Very good. Staff, do you consider that adequately formed for your purposes? 12
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Jennifer Armer: I believe so. I'll give a moment just in case any me-, other member of staff 14
wants to jump in, but no, that should be sufficient. Thank you. 15
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Vice-Chair Akin: All right. Seeing no further comments, Ms Dao, would you take the vote? 17
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Veronica Dao: Commissioner Templeton? 19
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Commissioner Templeton: Yes. 1
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Veronica Dao: Commissioner Hechtman? 3
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Commissioner Hechtman: Yes. 5
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Veronica Dao: Commissioner Akin? 7
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Vice-Chair Akin: Yes. 9
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Veronica Dao: Commissioner Peterson? 11
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Commissioner Peterson: Aye. 13
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Veronica Dao: Commissioner Summa? 15
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Commissioner Summa: Yes. 17
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Veronica Dao: Motion carries 5-0. 19
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
Vice-Chair Akin: Very good. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, Ms. Kantak. 1
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Study Session 3
Public Comment is Permitted. Three (3) minutes per speaker. 4
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3. Update Planning and Transportation Commission Procedural Rules 6
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Vice-Chair Akin: All right. Let's proceed to Item 3, the Study Session on Procedural Rules. And 8
Ms Armer, do you have a presentation? 9
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Jennifer Armer: Yes. Thank you. No particular presentation. This is just an item that the Chair 11
requested be brought forward for clarification. We have an element of the Procedural Rules for 12
the Planning and Transportation Commission that specifies that the speaker time can be 13
reduced down to 3 minutes. However, that is inconsistent with our other boards and 14
commissions, as well as the language – standard language that we have in the agenda and so 15
it's led to some confusion. Those other documents actually specify that it can, if there are a lot 16
of speakers, be reduced down to 2 minutes instead of 3. So hopefully this is a pretty 17
straightforward thing. It th-, gives the Chair the flexibility whether they are going to allow the 18
full 5 minutes per speaker or reduce it down to 4, 3, or 2. 19
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Vice-Chair Akin: Thank you. Any comments? Commissioner Templeton. 21
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
Commissioner Templeton: Yes. It's interesting that we're talking about this. This is something 1
that Commissioner Summa has long brought up as an inconsistency, and so I'm glad we're going 2
to talk about it. I guess the thing I'm going to say is if we put it down to 2 minutes, what's to 3
prevent everybody from always doing 2 minutes. I don't know if it's more important to be 4
consistent, but oftentimes we'll – we have in the past even tried to shorten it to 1 minute. Like, 5
what's – where's – what's the magic about 2 minutes and is it just because some other 6
commissions have chosen that or – Staff, is there any reason that 2 is the magic number? 7
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Jennifer Armer: It's just the more standard number. It's also something that I'm familiar with 9
from other agencies… 10
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Commissioner Templeton: More standard… 12
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Jennifer Armer: So it… 14
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Commissioner Templeton: Is there is an international standard on public comment length? 16
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Jennifer Armer: Not international but across the boards and commissions that we... 18
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Commissioner Templeton: I mean.. 20
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
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Jennifer Armer: …manage. 2
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Commissioner Templeton: …I've seen in City Council they've shortened it to 1 minute before. 4
So… 5
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Jennifer Armer: [Right 54:45]. 7
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Commissioner Templeton: …what's to say that that's not correct? 9
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Jennifer Armer: And what I would add is that the amount of time that's provided just to start at 11
5 minutes rather than say starting with 3 or for the applicants and appellants that they get to 12
start with 15 minutes is actually quite a lot more than a lot of other agencies. So… 13
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Commissioner Templeton: Yep. 15
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Jennifer Armer: …there is room for other adjustments. If the Planning Commission would like to 17
consider other modifications, that could be considered. The hope was here was just to bring a 18
little bit of consistency and uniformity to what… 19
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
Commissioner Templeton: I… 1
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Jennifer Armer: …[inaudible 55:22]. 3
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Commissioner Templeton: …I would love to see the absolute bare minimum be 1 minute and I 5
would like you to implement that across the board the City. So that's what I have to say about 6
that. Not because I think that people should only speak for 1 minute. I think that you need to 7
make it clear that that's an extreme. If somebody – if the Chair needs to go down to that, there 8
should be a really good reason, like a hundred people in the room. 9
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Jennifer Armer: Thank you for that… 11
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Commissioner Templeton: [Yeah 55:44]. 13
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Jennifer Armer: …suggestion. 15
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Commissioner Templeton: Having chaired meetings in which we've had a hundred people in the 17
room, I will say that there are times when that is absolutely necessary, and I understand it 18
when City Council does it as well. Not in any way implying that that should be our standard. 19
Thank you. 20
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
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Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Peterson. 2
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Commissioner Peterson: All right. Commissioner Templeton was quicker to the button than I 4
was. That was exactly what I [want to 56:09] suggest as well was 1 minute. A question I have is 5
are speakers allowed to combine their minutes into an amalgamated, say 6 minutes that 1 6
speaker is able to take? 7
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Jennifer Armer: Yes. That is a separate section of the Procedural Rules, that there are specific 9
allowances for group – for somebody to speak on behalf of a group. 10
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Commissioner Peterson: All right. Thank you. 12
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Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Hechtman. 14
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Commissioner Hechtman: I think since we're tackling this it should be done in a way that gives 16
the PTC Chair maximum flexibility, and I think that when our Council on occasion provides a 1-17
minute time, then that's a signal to us, I think, that there may be appropriate circumstances, 18
they may be very few and far between, but there can be appropriate circumstances for limiting 19
time to 1 minute to be able to get through the PTC's business in a time where most of the 20
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
public in an event like that aren't struggling to stay awake. And so the decision to reduce down 1
from 5, which incidentally in my experience is pretty unusual also. I in most jurisdictions I work 2
in, whether it's at the Council or Planning Commission level, it's typically 3 minutes for someone 3
who's not the applicant or the appealing opponent. So 5, I think, is very generous, but I think 4
our Chair should have the discretion appropriately exercised to go down to 1 minute. So I'd be 5
supportive of that. 6
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Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Summa. 8
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Commissioner Summa: Actually, I – I'm supportive of 2 minutes. I'm supportive of the staff 10
recommendation as stated. My concern with the – that Commissioner Templeton mentioned 11
was a different issue about timing actually, but I just… 12
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Commissioner Templeton: [Inaudible 58:21]. 14
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Commissioner Summa: But anyhow, I'm happy with 2 minutes since that was the request of the 16
Chair, I guess, and staff's recommendation. I'm – I prefer that to 1 minute. I don't see the need 17
to reduce it further. The public's – it's really hard sometimes to say anything substantive in 1 18
minute. So I prefer the 2 minutes, but… 19
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Templeton. 1
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Commissioner Summa: There was no but. 3
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Commissioner Templeton: Yes. I would, in most circumstances, be much happier if we were to 5
limit it to amounts where speakers could speak more, but if we're talking about extreme cases, 6
then I want to make sure that we don't have to argue about it that evening. We've had a 7
situation recently where that was a discussion. I'm not sure if you were here that night, but – 8
where we had to debate about what – what's the possibilities and how low could the minutes 9
be restricted. So if the Chair is asking for flexibility, [I want to 59:27] provide it and then we can 10
decide at that time is this a 2-minute, a 3-minute situation, but I think 1 minute should not be 11
the default. I think it should just be the option. Specifically, I would never want it to be less than 12
that. Right? Two minutes – I could see those situations where you'd rather have it down to 1 13
minute instead of 2 minutes. Pretty rare, but I would say that that should be included in the 14
realm of possibilities; however, that'll be up to us to work with the Chair and with each other 15
about what are our norms. And I think our norms should be first reduction might be 3 minutes, 16
second reduction would be 2 minutes, and only in very rare circumstances 1 minute, that kind 17
of thing. But we can discuss that [on the 60:17] retreat or offline or whatever is appropriate. So 18
I would – is this – this is not a voting one, is it? 19
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
Jennifer Armer: Yeah. Thank you for that question. I actually was going to jump in. 1
Unfortunately, it appears it was listed as a study session on the agenda instead of an action 2
item, which was the intent. So we will have to bring this back to you. I probably will try and just 3
have it on consent or something so that we don't need to have further discussion, but I'll 4
confirm with the city attorney on that procedure. What that does mean is if there are other 5
details that you'd like me to consider adjusting, for example, the time for applicants and 6
appellants to speak to shorten it – I heard one comment in terms of the timeframes maybe 7
being longer than they need to – I would be – I would welcome those suggestions if you'd like 8
me to add a little bit more into this item since we are going to have to bring it back to you 9
anyway. 10
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Vice-Chair Akin: All right. Thank you. I have some comments too, but I believe Commissioner 12
Peterson is up first. 13
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Commissioner Peterson: Just quickly to address the minimum amount of time. Pretty sure some 15
of the commissions and councils include a – something of a calculation where they have to have 16
more than say 30 speakers before they could reduce it down. So I think we could adjust the – 17
address that issue by just adding some kind of minimum amount of speaker time. 18
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Commissioner Templeton: Great suggestion. 20
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
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Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Hechtman. 2
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Commissioner Hechtman: So I don't know that we really have a consent function on our 4
agenda. At least we haven't used it much. But for this particular one, since it was our Chair who 5
initiated the idea of having the discussion and our Chair couldn't be here tonight, I'd prefer to 6
just make it a regular agenda item so that we don't have to do procedures to get out of consent 7
so that our Chair can weigh in on the issue. 8
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Jennifer Armer: Yes. We could do that. 10
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Vice-Chair Akin: And my comment will tag on to Commissioner Peterson's. As I reviewed the 12
Procedural Rules before the meeting tonight, it seemed to me that the general intent was to 13
target a time period – total maximum time period for comments. So you'll see references to a 14
half hour, for example, and the time limit for an individual speaker if you have enough speakers 15
will exceed – we would eventually exceed that limit. But it seems like the intent was just to 16
manage to a total time rather than to a total number of speakers but in the end, very similar 17
approach. So my inclination would be to say yeah, it's going to be rare that we have 30 18
speakers, but perhaps in a case like that we would want the 1-minute limit. And we very rarely 19
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
have appellants, but if we had a lot of appellants, then we might want to change the 15-minute 1
limit as well. 2
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Jennifer Armer: And speaking of procedural, did we ask for public comment on this item? If not, 4
let's do that now just to make sure that we don't have anybody joining us on Zoom or in person 5
to comment. 6
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Vice-Chair Akin: Thank you for the reminder. Almost made it through the meeting without that. 8
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PUBLIC COMMENTS 10
Vice-Chair Akin: Ms Dao, do we have any public comment? 11
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Veronica Dao: No, I have no requests to speak. 13
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Jennifer Armer: Thank you. 15
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Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Summa. 17
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Commissioner Summa: Yeah. I think it should come back. I agree with Commissioner Hechtman 19
on if – especially if we're going to consider other adjustments besides the one that was 20
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
agendized. It's kind of tricky. And the appellant – the appeal process is not free, so I think giving 1
a fair amount of time is fair. So in general, I have a very strong preference, even though it can 2
be hard on us sometimes, of hearing the public and giving them as much time as we reasonably 3
can. [That's it 64:54]. 4
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Vice-Chair Akin: [And 64:59] thank you. Any other comments on this item? 6
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Commissioner Templeton: I will say I agree. I think it's one of the most important functions of 8
our commission is to be able to hear from the public, so we need to be thoughtful about that. I 9
like the suggestions you have about how to be more objective about when we apply these 10
changes. I'm looking forward to having it come back. 11
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Vice-Chair Akin: Commissioner Hechtman. 13
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Commissioner Hechtman: Yeah. It just occurred to me. I think one of the procedures that our 15
current Chair has instituted is the cutoff time for when you can make it be known that you want 16
to speak. And Vice-Chair, and acting Chair – since you reviewed our Procedural Rules before 17
this and I did not, I was wondering if that's covered in our Procedural Rules or when this comes 18
back, if it's not, maybe we should include that in our discussion too so that, again, we have a 19
uniform rule that follows the Chair. 20
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
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Vice-Chair Akin: I don't recall for sure. I think that was mentioned for Council but not for 2
Commission. So we could certainly bring that back. 3
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Commissioner Hechtman: Okay. 5
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Commissioner Templeton: I [inaudible 66:27]. 7
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Commissioner Summa: I think staff added it to be consistent with Council is what I thought 9
happened maybe. 10
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Jennifer Armer: We definitely work to do that, but I can go back and check. 12
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Commissioner Summa: Okay. 14
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Commissioner Templeton: Yeah. It would be nice to be really consistent and fair about the 16
application of that rule. Thank you. 17
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
Vice-Chair Akin: All right. Seeing no other lights, if we've provided sufficient guidance for the 1
return of this item, then we can move on to Commissioner Questions, Comments and 2
Announcements. 3
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Commissioner Questions, Comments or Announcements 5
Vice-Chair Akin: No lights? All right. I had a few brief ones. So I attended the Stream Corridor b-, 6
Protection Community Meeting last week, and that was well worthwhile. I know several of you 7
also attended remotely. Just as a – I can't really do it justice in just a few sentences, but as the 8
quickest summary that I can come up with, the Edgewood residents have security as their 9
greatest issue, and the 40-foot streamside setback which runs through their existing homes is 10
probably next. On the flipside, there was concern from a number of parties that we're not doing 11
enough to improved – improve the riparian buffers for channelized streams. So those are – all 12
of those are things to give a little more weight next time we consider the issue. We've received 13
several detailed public comments, and based on what I heard, staff will be addressing many of 14
the specifics by the time the ordinance next comes before us, so that's encouraging as well. 15
Commissioner Summa and I visited several of the properties on Edgewood just to get a better 16
sense of the situation, and I thought that was well worthwhile. So if you have the chance to do 17
that, I recommend that as well. 18
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
And lastly, I am sorry Chair Chang couldn't be with us tonight, and I hope she recovers quickly. 1
We'll have all 7 of us here next time, I hope. 2
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Commissioner Summa: I don't [need to speak 69:00]. 4
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Commissioner Templeton: Oh, I can repeat that again. I have a family obligation next 6
Wednesday and I will be enjoying the dulcet tones of the school choir with my lovely children in 7
performance duties. So I'll be happy to rejoin you guys after that, but sometimes things that 8
happen on Wednesdays cannot be avoided. Meantime, I trust you all to keep up the good work. 9
And I will say, since I do have the mic on and we didn't all get our chance to welcome 10
Commissioner Peterson, welcome. We're glad to have you here. If anybody else wants to chime 11
in, feel free before the adjournment comes. 12
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Vice-Chair Akin: It is a pleasure to have you here, and we look forward to a lot of good 14
discussions. And as always, I told people that what I was looking for for new commission 15
members were the people who would think of things that I wouldn't. So I think you fit that bill 16
nicely. 17
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Commissioner Peterson: Thank you. Appreciate it. 19
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1. Spokespersons that are representing a group of five or more people who are identified as present at the meeting at
the time of the spokesperson’s presentation will be allowed up to ten (10) minutes at the discretion of the Chair, provided that
the non-speaking members agree not to speak individually.
2. The Chair may limit Oral Communications to 30 minutes for all combined speakers.
3. The Chair may reduce the allowed time to speak to three minutes to accommodate a larger number of speakers.
Vice-Chair Akin: All right. Commissioner Summa? 1
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Commissioner Summa: I'll pile on with congratulations and nice to see our newest 3
commissioner. Hopefully he – it's a good omen that this was a very brief meeting, so that might 4
be your work. And I was going to mention, but Vice-Chair Akin did already, that I also attended 5
by Zoom the Stream meeting and that we made some site visits. That's it. 6
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Vice-Chair Akin: Very good. If there is nothing else, we are adjourned. Thank you, everyone. 8
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Adjournment 10
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