HomeMy WebLinkAbout2021-02-04 Stormwater Management Oversight Committee Summary Minutes 1 February 4, 2021
Thursday, February 4, 2021
1 pm to 3 pm
Special Meeting
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Agenda posted in accordance Government Code Section 54954.2(a) or 54956. Committee Members Present: Bob Wenzlau, Dena Mossar, Hal Mickelson, Peter Drekmeier,
Ron Owes, David Bower, Marilyn Keller
Committee Members Abesent: None
Public Members Present: Jerry Bradshaw
Staff Present: Karin North, Michel Jeremias, Jamie Perez, Vicki Thai, Isabel Zacharczuk, Joanna
Tran, Pamela Boyle Rodriquez, Rajeev Hada, Loretta Olmos, Julie Weiss, Holly Boyd
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Call to Order (5 min) 1:06 pm by Chairperson Mickelson
Oral Communications (5 min)
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No oral communications.
Old Business (5 min)
1. Approval of Minutes from the October 8, 2020 Storm Water
Management Oversight Committee Meeting (5 min)
i. Minutes approved: 1:07pm
Storm Water Management
Oversight Committee
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New Business
2. Staff Presentation on FY 22 Budget Process Update and FY 20
Actuals. (25 min)
• Jamie Perez: At this point of the year, the City is still working on FY22
budget and proposing changes/adjustments. No proposed for review. Review FY20 Actual Expenditures and letter to Council in staff report
• Jamie Perez opens floor for comments after reviewing fiscal year 2020
storm drain fund expenditures
o Hal Mickelson noted grammatical error, “we have reviewed the
expenditures for Fiscal Year 2020 and compared them (not it) with the provisions…”
o Bob Wenzlau (question on 2nd sentence on 1st paragraph),
“approved 2017 ballot measure and proposed budget”. Is this a legacy sentence or how is it related to what we’re doing here.
Hal Mickelson- 2017 ballot measure language mandates
what we are doing because 2017 promises oversight.
Peter Drekmeier answered it mentions specific projects
that committed us to do certain tasks. Funding is going to
the projects that was promised to the voters.
Hal Mickelson - key is to what commissioners does is to
review the expenditures and compare them to the promises made in 2017.
Dena Mossar suggested text change: “the approved 2017
ballot measure and identified projects described therein…”
Jamie Perez: the proposed budget is not provided for FY
22. We can adjust the sentence to what was provided to
Commissioners.
Karin North: City planning to give proposed budget in April
for review
Hal Mickelson suggested adding to the end of the
paragraph “it is anticipated that the FY 22 budget will be
presented to this committee at the next meeting”
o Ron Owes: suggested text “the revenues were sufficient for the
expenditures”
Hal Mickelson – concerned by suggested text. We cannot make accounting assertions. Our mandate is to state that the
money is spent on nothing else. We are not mandated to say it is operating on a balance basis.
Dena Mossar – thinks comments are valid and the letter is
self-explanatory. Staff report shows numbers with no deficits. Agrees with Hal. Sees this as adequate as a
transmittal document
• David Bower seconds Dena’s comments. High level
review and the attached budget explains all the
subtleties that Ron is talking about.
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o Dena Mossar moved approval and Davin Bower seconds approval. All committee members vote yes.
• Jamie Perez continues staff update with 2022 Budget Process Update
o Staff in progress of developing FY22 budget and will bring proposed
budget next meeting for committee review.
o Perez shows overview of what Staff are bringing forward for
City leadership:
Adjustment to SWMF – based on Dec – Dec CPI, 2% increase
added to SWMF, subject to Council approval
Anticipated adjustments: base programs – general increases. Includes allocated charges from other parts provided by City
of Palo Alto (salary, benefits, etc)
No changes to GSI/innovative, and maintenance programs
Capital – only changes to salary and benefits
o Bob Wenzlau brings up new topic related to public art and green
infrastructure. Asks if committee and staff would have discretion to
move up or down.
Karin North: Utilize existing budget for anticipated costs.
Bill existing allocation of money instead of asking for a new
request
• Jamie Perez continues updates
o FY20 Actual spent specifically for GSI program
o GSI Plan implementation $0 – funding was committed to a
contract, but due to timing last year City was not able to get contract in place so it was re-appropriated to FY21
o Karin North: Staff did not see a lot of people utilizing rebate
program this past year but noted that staff increased outreach.
Asks commissioners to share program info with their contacts.
Peter Drekmeier- brought up that rain barrel information and other rebate information on Valley Water website not
easy to navigate.
• Pam Boyle Rodriguez: Responds that Staff reached out to Valley Water to update website language to be
more user-friendly, but due to their work with other
cities, Valley Water is unwilling to update website.
• Hal Mickelson: has contact from Valley Water and
suggests going on a call with Pam to ask website question.
• Dena Mossar: Agrees with Peter and brings up
concern that public will blame the City and suggests to not partner with Valley Water
• David Bower: agrees Valley Water website is
complicated
o Pam Boyle Rodriguez: Partnered with Valley
Water so that residents don’t have to go
through two processes. Valley Water would only
agree if residents would go through their
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process and then Valley Water coordinates with
City.
• Bob Wenzlau: met with Staff to review Palo Alto website and the progress on the Palo Alto side is
improved. He also talked to Palo Alto hardware as a
citizen to set up part of the store as a “rain barrel” section for all the extra equipment (but no room to
hold physical rain barrels). Hopeful over the next
months that PA hardware can order the rain barrels to
make residential pickup of supplies easier. Suggestion
to store barrels at MSC and get plumbing somewhere else.
• Jamie continues update on Planned CIP FY 2020 projects
o Hal Mickelson clarifies the three FY21 projects approved by the budget.
o Ron Owes: Is there a budget for uncertainty? (drought; high
flows)
Michel Jeremias: For emergencies, part of the ballot
measure goes into operation maintenance (separate bucket
for emergencies). For any rehab (i.e. if existing lines break
unexpectedly) City also has an ongoing routine for
maintenance
3. Staff Presentation on Capital Improvement Program Projects (Related
to FY21 Budget) (10 min)
• Michel Jeremias introduce Staff that will recap projects that were worked on in 2020
o Vicki Thai: Loma Verde Trunk line Project completed on 12/4/20 (on schedule). Cost $2.3 mil and completed within budget. Some existing
pipes remained due to field conflicts. In response, a second storm
drain line was added parallel to existing pipes. This increased the capacity of the storm drain system and acted as a backup to the
functioning pipe. This also minimized off-haul and recycling quantities.
o Rajeev Hada:
1st project: Storm Drain Box Culvert Repair (Oregon
Expressway) completed 12/22/20 and cost $197k (storm rehab and replacement project). A few crack caused by a collision that
caused leakage and needed to be fixed. Fiber wraps were used
to repair cracks and provide extra strength to box culvert.
2nd project: Corporation Way and West Bayshore Rd Pump
Station and Trunk Line Upgrades. High priority project on Storm
Drain Master Plan. Flooding on East Bayshore caused by trunk
line being undersized and gravity flow line towards creek not
working properly. To address this, install pump station on E and
W Bayshore Rd. Project issues: locating of site of stations and
coordinating with bicycle and pedestrian bridge project. Design
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and construction documents for both projects will be complete
by June 2021. Locations will be on Google property.
o Vicki Thai: Storm Drain Rehabilitation and Replacement Project – upcoming project for this year. Goal is to replace various sections of
pipes throughout City that aren’t in good condition and have been
compiled. Operations created a rating system for which pipes need to be replaced urgently. Over 60 locations throughout the City. This
project may be broken down into several phases because we cannot
fix all 60 locations at the same time. Design drawings are in progress.
o Michel Jeremias: To reduce cost of projects
Rajeev’s projects were designed with both pump stations together by one consultant. Going out to bid with both projects
and award the project to one contractor with different timelines.
Or independently if the bids are too high.
• Peter Drekmeier: is there coordination with other
departments when trenching is done to save resources?
o Michel Jeremias: Yes, coordination is done with
other utilities groups (bimonthly meetings to talk
about upcoming projects to see if any overlap).
Bob Wenzlau: expressed concern regarding shallow
groundwater contamination. Pump stations may have
construction dewatering – and wants to be sure to consider its impact on groundwater plumes.
• Michel Jeremias: during construction, Staff will be sure
equipment will be in place in case they need to dewater. But these wet-well will be standalone. Wet-well will be
forced to remain dry which will eliminate the need for a
long term groundwater dewatering station.
• Ron Owes: Consider history of structures that were
impacted in the past because a contractor depressed the groundwater level and it impacted surrounding structures.
• David Bower leaves meeting
4. Staff Presentation on GSI Funding Analysis and Discussion of
Subcommittee (45 min)
• Consultant Jerry Bradshaw from SCI (public finance firm focused on public infrastructure funding): Funding Analysis presentation
o Follow up to 2019 memo for a consultant to leverage the stormwater ballot measure to pay for additional construction
and maintenance of GSI.
o Project background 2017- stormwater fee reauthorization and
2019 GSI plan was accepted.
o This project 2020-2022 will analyze specific funding options and
gather input from Staff, SWOC, and City Council. Project status–
workplan and staff interviews is complete. Next step is to form a
working group with SWOC members.
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o Stormwater Fee designated ~7% for GSI and Innovative
Programs. Public and private regulated projects will be primary
focus of GSI Plan
o Staff interviews to understand responsibilities and get an idea
of what the costs and resources will be. (26 staff across 5
departments). Feedback heard: GSI needs to evaluate CIP for feasibility.
Feedback from Operations and Maintenance:
• May require more funding than actual construction
• Already 10+ projects done, gaining good
experience
• Several divisions responsible from taking care of
different GSI projects.
• No maintenance/guidance manual
• Need for specialty methods, training and
equipment.
• O&M uses contractors
o Challenges:
GSI will be a small sub-component in addition to all the
other components project managers need to think about.
Design challenges (clay soils); irrigation (expensive and
may only be needed until the native plants are established) operational (i.e. permeable pavement - what
is needed to maintain this?) green roofs (maintenance);
replacing soil/plants; administration (inspections needed for CIP projects); grant attainment is difficult for Palo
Alto; non-profits have wage requirements.
o Opportunities: CIP can include fund maintenance; O&M
experience can inform maintenance manual and future design
o Private Development: Largest source of future GSI and least control by City (regulatory). Opportunities include looking for
partnerships with developers and flexible implementation
projects. Needs to be added in the ordinance.
o Creative Funding (does not bring new money into the process
but reapply money that is already there. Trying to make the
money we have go further): in-lieu fees, alternative compliance, credit trading, and partnerships.
• Pam Boyle Rodriguez introduces next steps and forming a working group
o Internal feedback was provided through Staff interviews. Next step
is to work with Stormwater Oversight Committee as a connection to
the residents. Working group will meet monthly (next 3-4 months)
and end of the year to read draft memo and provide feedback.
Time commitment will be a few hours per month. Workgroup will
provide information to the public through Stormwater Oversight
Committee. Pam can provide copy of funding analysis for further details
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• Karin North: Working group will be named “GSI Funding Analysis
Subcommittee” (SWMOC Small Funding Analysis Subcommittee). Sub-
committee will avoid any Brown Act issues.
o New members: David Bower, Dena Mossar
• Hal Mickelson noted Jerry’s report stated “asking property owners for
additional funding is not a priority option at this time.” Hal wants to clarify that no one on the committee is asking anyone for money and the City
should not be asking anyone for money.
• Motion: Commissioner Hal Mickelson moved, seconded by Commissioner
Dena Mossar to establish a GSI Funding Analysis Subcommittee that
would review funding efforts related to green stormwater infrastructure capital projects and operations and maintenance, including reviewing
draft documents as well as providing input on types of GSI funding. The
motion is to authorize and support sending commissioners from the SWOC committee to be a working group to work with the consultants on
this issue of additional funding for GSI, without prejudging the issues the
working group may make to this committee. The motion passed, with
Commissioners Bob Wenzlau, Dena Mossar, Hal Mickelson, Peter
Drekmeier, Ron Owes, David Bower, and Marilyn Keller voting in favor.
5. Staff Update on Municipal Regional Stormwater Permit Renewal (10 min)
Item postponed to next meeting.
Committee Member Comments and Announcements (10 min)
6. Discussion on Neighbors Abroad project in Palo Alto
• Bob Wenzlau opened the floor with a project for the Stormwater
Oversight Committee to consider for motion:
• Evaluate a $10,000 use of fund for public art to support a project to install
one or more murals about water conservation or green infrastructure. This
would support the artists, their materials, and preparation of the site, as well
as a compendium exhibit after the work is complete. This could flow through
Neighbors Abroad to the artists. Also, to solicit the engagement with the Art Center and Public Art Commission to shape this effort.
• Neighbors Abroad is supporting a project through Vidas y Suenos and Isla
Urbana to build rainwater capture in Yaxe, a village near Palo Alto’s sister city Oaxaca, Mexico. The project would build water tanks that would accept
water delivery as well as rainwater capture. Community education augments
the engineering improvements. One part is art, where murals will be made
by local artists to teach about water and water infrastructure. In Yaxe,
approximately 20 water tanks would be installed and then be painted with
murals
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• Bob Wenzlau asked Palo Alto Hardware to "host" the public art mural on their
wall facing Alma. The concept would be for a local artist(s) to come from
Oaxaca to paint a mural teaching about water infrastructure and conservation. Oaxaca is famous for her murals and public art. The targeted
time frame is Summer 2021. The tank project, supported by Neighbors
Abroad, would occur in Oaxaca about April 2021. Suggestion to use existing outreach funds and City Staff to work with Neighbors Abroad and Public Art
Commission to make this happen.
o Pam Boyle Rodriguez - reached out to Elise Demarzo from City Art
Program Group to learn what will be involved in this process. Feedback
from Staff was that there are a lot of legal requirements associated with public art. City program is working on a policy regarding murals
and found that artists are protected by federal and state rights. Murals
cannot be painted over by the property owner or anyone else (DE exception) and the mural cannot in any way represent or support the
business. Policy is on the Public Art website. To remove the mural: the
property owner will need to submit a request to the Public Art
Commission, a notice must be placed on the mural for up to 90 days,
and a letter must be sent to the artist. City of San Jose currently
experiencing lawsuits. Due to the complexity of murals, the City is
starting a pilot project with a mural made of aluminum placed on Cal
Ave.
o This is a complicated process for the current location. Suggested
ideas: regional approach is to work with a local artist and not someone
from another country. Demarzo suggested utilizing local artists to
paint rain barrels for display as an art exhibit and selling them to
residents on publicly owned land. Local artists can apply for a grant to
support this work. An artist from Oaxaca can lead a class about how to
paint rain barrels. Artists will need to receive prevailing wages for what
someone local would receive.
o Motion: Commissioner Hal Mickelson made and Commissioner Dena
Mossar seconded the following motion, “Bearing in mind and subject to
limitations on the time and resources of staff, the committee supports staff working to explore ways that art can be used for stormwater
management outreach, using existing funds, including possible
collaboration with the Public Art Commission and groups outside city
government, including (but not limited to) Neighbors Abroad”. The
motion passed, with committee members Marilyn Keller, Dena Mossar, Peter Drekmeier, and Ron Owes voting in favor and member Bob
Wenzlau abstained.
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Tentative Agenda Items for Future Meetings and Review Action Items (5 min)
Next meeting is scheduled for April 1, 2020
Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 3:28 pm.
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