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HUMAN RELATIONS COMMISSION
Thursday, October 11, 2018
Community Meeting Room
Palo Alto Civic Center
250 Hamilton Avenue
7:00 PM
REGULAR MEETING
ROLL CALL:
Commissioners Present: Kralik, Lee, O’Nan, Smith, Stinger, Xue
Absent: Brahmbhatt
Staff: Minka van der Zwaag, Mary Constantino
I. ROLL CALL
Chair Stinger: Can we have everybody around a table? Thank you. Thank you. Mary, roll call,
please?
II. AGENDA CHANGES, REQUESTS, DELETIONS
Chair Stinger: Any agenda changes, requests?
Commissioner Kralik: I just want to mention that on the HRC update agenda I’m listed as a
renewal mediator which is not the case. Since I was appointed as an HRC Commissioner, I have
mentioned to the Palo Alto Mediation Program that I would be sitting as a Commissioner, and
therefore that’s going to change in their agenda. So, I will not be renewing as a mediator, I was
appointed as the Liaison of the HRC to PAMP, and I have attended one meeting of PAMP since
being appointed as a Liaison. This paperwork for renewal was filed before I knew that I was
appointed Commissioner of the HRC and so it makes sense that it be amended to show that I am
not being renewed.
Chair Stinger: Ok and that amendment is the responsibility of PAMP as I understand it.
Commissioner Kralik: Yes, they’ll do that, sure.
Chair Stinger: Great, thank you for that Commissioner Kralik.
Commissioner Kralik: You’re welcome.
III. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
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Chair Stinger: I have no oral communication cards in front of me, is that correct?
Ms. Minka van de Zwaag: No and we feel very far away from you.
Chair Stinger: I know, yes wow.
Ms. van de Zwaag: This is our new setup but as we’re sitting her it feels like we’re in the next
room so we’ll have to think about that for next time but no, we have not oral communications.
Chair Stinger: Thank you.
IV. BUSINESS
1. Palo Alto Mediation Program presentation and approval of their new mediators and
year-end report.
Chair Stinger: Then we’ll go to our business agenda and the first item is the Palo Alto Mediation
Program. I’m happy to have you here, thank you and there will be two items for our action and
that is the approval of the new mediators and I thought there were amendments to the bylaws.
Ms. van de Zwaag: No, that was last year it is the one item – the presentation is more of an
informational item and then the vote is regarding the mediators.
Commissioner Smith: It’s listed as two different votes, is that correct?
Chair Stinger: No.
Ms. van de Zwaag: It was not intended too, it is two items but the action is only in regards to the
approval of the new mediators. In theory you could approve their or accept their year-end report
but I think the only requirement is actually to approve the new mediators. So, I think it’s just
looking back is a word choice.
Chair Stinger: I’m anxious to obviously hear the presentation, the approval of new mediators
and hear about the new mediators. I wanted to ask Jill if you would just give us a little bit of a
historical background about our relationship with Palo Alto Mediators, the scope of our
authority, the role of our liaison and some of the mutual benefits because it has been a very
beneficial relationship?
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes, it has and thanks you very much, Chair. So, the Palo Alto Mediation
Program has a contract with the City to provide free mediation services to people who live in and
work in Palo Alto. The HRC was tasked with two areas of some oversight, one is the annual
approval of new mediators and the other is that we are supposed to hear about the Mandatory
Response Ordinance which it’s a little bit technical but basically in Palo Alto tenants have the
option to force their landlords to mediation. They don’t have to stay for the mediation but it’s
considered a mandatory response because the landlord is supposed to at least show up in certain
circumstances. So, this is not an ordinance that’s used a whole lot but it was put in place to be
another protection for renters in Palo Alto. So, every year the Palo Alto Mediation Program does
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present how many of those types of mediations or calls they have taken that involve the
Mandatory Response Ordinance. So, those were our two basic areas of oversight. When they
come to update us on the number of cases they’ve handled throughout the year, the idea is not for
us to do an extensive audit of their performance; we’re not really here to grill them or to really
suggest policy changes at this level. If anyone has questions, comments, concerns, and would
like to work on policy issues, that should be all done through our Liaison. Last year our liaison
did not participate in workshops so we’ve been a little bit derelict in our duty on the HRC side.
So, this year I’m very happy that Commissioner Kralik has agreed to be our Liaison. He’s
already attending meetings so we need to rebuild that relationship and work with the Palo Alto
Mediation Program to strengthen their role and make sure, of course, that we’re doing out
appropriate oversight on the areas where we do have oversight.
Commissioner Smith: Two points of clarifications, so if I’m understanding the description you
just gave us it’s for us to listen, don’t say anything and then vote. Is that…
Vice Chair O’Nan: No, we have an option to ask questions because we were submitted the
biographies of all the new mediators so it would certainly be appropriate to ask questions about
the new mediators or to simply comment that you like the diversity that you see or any other
comments you may have. You may also ask about Mandatory Response Ordinance. In the past,
we have wondered why so few cases go to that and we had an explanation that it’s sort of a
trigger that doesn’t get pulled very often but it does get pulled sometimes. There are cases that
are a result through conciliation rather than mediation and again, that’s a fine point that I would
let our PAMP colleagues handle. There are certainly questions about the statistic that they’ve
provided, how they handle cases, and sometimes too they’re branching out into new areas. For
some time, they were also doing family disputes which they hadn’t done before and historically
they had mostly done landlord/tenant but they’ve now gone into some new areas or trying out
some new programs. So that’s all for them to really excavate and you’re free to comment or
question about any of the things that you hear.
Commissioner Smith: Ok I just wanted to clarify and what was the original City document that
gave us our oversight scope?
Vice Chair O’Nan: I’m not sure the original document was. The history that I’m aware of is that
Palo Alto Mediation Program use to be part of HSRAP and so the HRC was overseeing all of
HSRAP. At some point several years ago it was broken out into separate line items, so the Palo
Alto Mediation Program now has a separate contract and a separate line item in the City budget.
So, we no longer oversee it through HSRAP in totality but the City Council at some point had
tasked us – I don’t know if whether this is in the bylaws or was a separate referendum that came
down from the City but it asked us to keep an eye on the Mandatory Response Ordinance
because that at the time was a new thing. Now it’s been in place for quite a while and to approve
the new mediators every year just to make sure that recruitment is going well and that we feel
that the appropriate people are participating. Again, I ask my colleagues to be mindful that this is
a volunteer organization with the acceptation of Paul and now his successor Luis who are
employees of Project Sentinel. Everyone is a volunteer and up until recently, they paid for their
own training so these are people who are really being generous with the City donating their time,
their money, their expertise, and mediation. So, just be mindful of that, this is not a business, this
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is not a business audit, and this is not that type of oversight.
Commissioner Smith: The reason I’m asking these questions is because you're so heavily biased
to one side to go easy. I’m just trying to figure out what the history is for us to go easy.
Vice Chair O’Nan: No, I’m not biasing to go easy, I’m biasing – I’m not biasing. I’m simply
trying to scope out where our responsibilities lie.
Commissioner Smith: Ok so – and I’m just trying to figure that out too and this is just for my
clarification. The reason I’m – mediators, the reason I’m asking so many questions is this is the
first time I’m dealing with the mediators. So, before I go in and start asking questions that are
inappropriate, I want to make sure what our scope is or what the scope document is, so I was
unclear.
Chair Stinger: That was the reason I asked – referred to Commissioner O’Nan she had
historically been the most involved and could give a better history than I could of…
Commissioner Smith: Do – could we-we don’t have to do it tonight but could we just as least
find out what the original documentation for us and this group? If we have other groups in the
future having that in front…
Chair Stinger: The bylaws.
Commissioner Smith: Whatever the scope for the City is because sometimes…
Chair Stinger: Makes sense.
Commissioner Smith: I just want to make sure that I’m reading what I'm supposed to be doing
ahead of time so at least I can say I’m not putting people in weird positions or biasing a certain
way.
Chair Stinger: Good request, I think that’s – we all would echo that foundation. Can I turn it over
to the mediators?
Ms. Megan Gorman: Do you want to introduce yourself?
Ms. Karen Michael: I’m Karen Michael, I’m one of the current Co-Chairs.
Mr. Paul Hebert: I’m Paul Hebert and I have been the administrator during the period that the
current report was written for. Luis has replaced me in that role starting this past week.
Ms. Megan Gorman: I’m Megan Gorman, I’m Co-Chair along with Karen Michael, I’ve been
with the project for over 10-years at least and so I’m – it’s something I love doing as a volunteer.
I’m going to kick us off talking about recruitment, what we did this prior year to recruit new
members. First, I’ll talk about where we were when we started our recruitment, at that time we
ended 2018 with 20 members. Of the twenty, 17 terms were ending, of those seventeen 13
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applied for renewal, four members did not apply for renewal and those members are Kitty Clark,
Sarah Tkach, Nuria Gonzalez-Martin, Anjali Vishwanath. We advertised for new members in
the Daily Post, Next Door in Palo Alto Neighborhood’s Network, we’ve received 10 applications
and we interviewed five applicants. The reason we didn’t interview the other five is primarily
because the training dates didn’t work for them. We offered positions to all five applicants we
interviewed and all five accepted. This brings our total back to members this year to 21. There is
no change to emeritus non-voting members, we still have three, and one thing that we wanted to
highlight is that this year financial assistance for the 40-hour required training was provided by
the City, so training costs $500. It would be more; however, the City provides a training room at
no cost. Historically – and it continues to be a barrier, the cost for training for some applicants,
so we’d like to request that the City would continue to pay for training going forward so that no
good candidates will self-select out of the program because they can’t afford the training.
Commissioner Smith: How many candidates are self-selecting out?
Ms. Gorman: Well this year we definitely had one person who wouldn’t have been able to be a
member and so that was fantastic. Of the group of five who couldn’t make the training dates, I
think might have been the issue. One, they couldn’t make the training dates; also they might not
have been able to afford it. So, we’ve been very clear with any candidates or applications, they
actually must take our training, the community mediation training. So, even if they’ve taken a
class during law school or a program that is about mediation but not community mediation we’re
very clear that’s a requirement for us so that we all start at the same level. I can’t think of others
who may or may not but every year we have folks who might not even apply because they see
that there’s a training component and it’s going to cost them a few hundred dollars. When I did
it, it was only like $140 through Foothill College so I think the cost has gone up quite a bit and it
becomes a problem for people.
Mr. Hebert: In on year, I think it was two periods ago, we had somebody who – it wasn’t that he
couldn’t afford it but that he objected on principle to the fact that he had to pay for training to
volunteer. He thought that was inappropriate and so he selected out on that basis.
Commissioner Smith: One other question on the training, does that impact your diversity because
socially, economically, or ethnically does that impact your diversity by saying there’s a barrier
for people to be trained at the $500 level?
Ms. Michael: My guess is it’s economic.
Commissioner Smith: No but…
Ms. Michael: Generally.
Commissioner Smith: I’m not saying – the question is this, does this self-select out, does this --
how best to explain it.
Ms. Gorman: Yes, it certainly would affect the socioeconomic diversity, that’s…
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Commissioner Smith: Diversity of your group…
Ms. Gorman: Yes, and that’s why…
Commissioner Smith: …because there’s a barrier to get in.
Ms. Gorman: Of course, and so that’s why the City, this year thanks to Paul working with his
colleague, I think it was Minka, we were able to get funding to cover the training which made a
huge difference. One woman was a social worker her entire career and she could not have
afforded this training of $500, it’s actually quite steep. The year before it was $750 so we’ve
gotten our trainers to reduce their price, they actually subsidized it themselves. So yes, we’re
doing whatever we can to make sure we can have more people participate because there are
plenty of qualified people. We want to sort of capture them and have them give back to the
community.
Commissioner Smith: Thank you.
Ms. Michael: Our five new members, it’s an incredible group. We really didn’t want five
because, with 20 to 21 people, we’re not quite getting as much business as we would like. The
five people that we interviewed were so outstanding; I’ll give you just a very brief summary. The
first one is Adrian Ho. Adrian came to the Bay Area from Boston in the 1980’s, he has a Ph.D. in
Applied Physics from Stanford, he went from physics into the business world and he’s currently
taking, along with his two college-aged children, an adult gap year is what he called it from the
corporate world. He is fluent in Mandarin. Christine Ortner is the second one; she is possibly our
most international mediator ever. She is Austrian; she was born in Vienna and lived there. She’s
also lived in France, Poland, Australia, Papua New Guinea, Kyrgyzstan, Guatemala, Israel,
Jerusalem, South Africa, and Seattle. She moved to Palo Alto this year, so she’s only been
around a few months and one of the first things she did was apply to be a mediator and we are so
happy to have her. She got her MBA studying Vienna and Paris and she has a post-grad degree
in Peace and Conflict Resolution from the University of Queensland, Australia. She has four
kids, two girls, two boys, and she is fluent in German and French. The next one is Kristina
Vetter, she has a BA from the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, and she has JD and
Master of Laws from Duke, and an MBA from the London College of Fashion in the UK. She
also has a small fashion company of her own. She moved to the Bay Area from Atlanta 20-years
ago, she is currently a part-time tech. general counsel; she also has four children, two in middle
school and two in high school. Beatriz Elena Leonard was born in San Francisco at the end of
World War II to a returning serviceman and Salvadorian mother. She is retired from a career in
social services as Megan mentioned. She raised her two daughters in Palo Alto and she is the
proud grandmother of four ranging in age from kindergarten to college. She is fluent in Spanish.
The fifth is Marleta Young, she is from Minnesota, she moved to Palo Alto from Southern
California in 2009. She has two undergraduate degrees, one is history and ancient languages and
then she went totally the opposite direction and got a degree in applied math and computer
science. She’s taking a break from her tech career at Apple. She also facilitates an interpersonal
dynamics class for the Stanford MBA program. That’s kind of a brief description of our five new
mediators who are just raring to go. Our returning members and I do believe that you also vote
on these actually because they all need your permission to continue -- Aruna Bellary, Dyane
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Matas, Erika Harrington. In the states Megan gave she included Gabrielle Kralik so he is
withdrawing his application. Gail Shulman, Gillian Barsley, Jeff Blum, Judith Stewart, Martin
Eichner whom you all know, Megan, Rick Gross, Stan Freedman, and Virginia Feira. We’re
requesting that you vote on these members, thank you.
Chair Stinger: Did you want to give us the presentation also at this time? Why don’t we do that?
Mr. Hebert: So…
Commissioner Lee: Chair, just to clarify, are we holding our questions until after the
presentation?
Chair Stinger: I would like to do that.
Commissioner Lee: Perfect.
Ms. Hebert: The piece that I’m going to do have these other two sheets that have the pie charts
and then this little sheet with the arrows here. The MRP Report use to be done along about
January but we talked about this earlier in the year and decided to fold it into the Annual Report.
In part, because it’s been a small part, there really aren’t too many statistics that come up each
year on it and part of that was part of I think a result of this process that I use. The breakdown of
the types of issues really doesn’t show too much change from year to year, although we did get a
bit of a bump in neighbor issues that we’re handling this year. We think that’s good news that
we’re being able to reach the neighbors. At least a few of them did identify that they heard about
us because of information we added to the Palo Alto Utilities billing cycle. So, they provide
information on that, so I think that was what caused that bump. When I say regarding MRP, the
105 calls that are in the scope, what that means is that they are – because there’s a subset of
landlord/tenant issues that the MRP allows mediate to be demanded over. Notably missing is
termination so if someone is being terminated, the MRP does not allow that they can demand
their landlord mediate over that and there are a couple of others.
Ms. van de Zwaag: Paul may I interrupt? I believe you brought extra copies tonight because the
Commissioners are operating from a copy that doesn’t have color in the chart. So, I believe it
would be more helpful to them – did you bring the extra copies?
Mr. Hebert: We have. Niece
Ms. van de Zwaag: We have so but if we could just take a minute so they could follow along
with your presentation with something that’s in color, I think that would be helpful. So, I’ve been
reminded I get into data in details more than people sometimes. I wanted to make sure and
introduce my new Director Elizabeth Guzman, she joined Project Sentinel oh, how long?
Ms. Elizabeth Guzman: A year ago.
Mr. Hebert: A year now and you don’t get to hear from or see her that often but she decided to
come and join us and then Luis we have mentioned. Luis Espinoza Inostroza is also a colleague
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that joined us a little while back and was covering other jurisdictions. We leaned on him a little
bit to get him to replace me and I’m really enthusiastic about having Luis step into the role. I feel
like you will be in excellent hands. So, with those introductions done, back to data. So, of all
those, when I get a call that is within MRP scope I advise them that they have two options
regarding mediation. One is to simply request mediation with their landlord and the other is to
demand it. To demand it they need to file out a petition which I send them and return it to me
completed. When I describe that I let them know or I remind them that mediation is a voluntary
communication process. Once you’re engaged in mediation in the room no one is going to be
leaning on somebody, their landlord or you, for particular solutions. In order to facilitate a better
start, I do suggest that if you think -- and now I’m addressing the tenant typically, if you believe
that your relationship with the landlord will support it, I suggest making the request instead of
the demand but you’re the one that knows your situation better than I. So, if you believe that the
only way your landlord will sit down with you and talk about this is to demand it, say so and fill
out the petition. With that kind of an introduction, I have sent out 27 petition packets which
include the petition and information about how to fill it out and also a copy of the ordinance. I
have only received five back where people actually requested that we do the more formal
process. There was a question about the five and I provided a little information through an email
I think 2-days ago about what types of cases. Typically, I think there were increases to a couple
of them and a couple of them might have been about end of lease arguments about can I stay a
couple more months? No. Things like that. I think that it isn’t so much selected – this is my
experience just thinking back over the decisions people make about whether to invoke the MRP
Ordinance, not so much the type of problem but the state of the relationship when they’re asking.
So then the last bit here is three of the cases were resolved through conciliation. The ordinance
does specify that the mediator assigned to an MRP case will attempt to conciliate first. I think out
of respect for everybody’s time, if it’s possible, for a neutral to smooth things out to a place
where they can agree. Then we don’t have to set up a meeting and go to the expense at the time
of recruiting two mediators into space. Three of the cases resolved that way, the two cases that
did convene in mediation were so entrenched in their positions that we could not achieve an
agreement with them. That is the MRP overview.
Chair Stinger: I think we have an understanding of the work that was done in the past 6- months
and 12-months and the new applications and the returning mediators. I’ll open it up to discussion
and questions of our guests. Commissioner Lee.
Commissioner Lee: Do you mind if I use this thing so I can face them?
Chair Stinger: Yes.
Commissioner Lee: I was wondering if you could provide some additional context to the five
mandatory response cases. In other Cities that have similar programs how many cases do they
typically see on average adjusting for the population? Are five a usually low number? Is it an
average number? Is it a high number given the population of Palo Alto and the high percentage
of renters?
Mr. Hebert: I only have direct experience or knowledge of our Los Gatos contract which also has
a required mediation element. That’s part of a fuller process because they can go to arbitration in
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Los Gatos and the numbers in Los Gatos are quite low also. I would say it’s not unusual in the
two jurisdictions that I know about. I don’t have any familiarity with the other program’s
numbers.
Commissioner Lee: I think I would be very interested, if this is possible the next time PAMP
comes to us, to have some additional context as to whether these numbers are low or high. It’s
hard to judge when I just see five. It seems like a low number and so my initial response would
be what can we do to get more folks to participate in the program just given that – what, 45
percent of the population are renters.
Chair Stinger: I guess we need to understand that better before we make that request and maybe
that’s a job that we would put into one of our subcommittees.
Commissioner Lee: Sure. Additionally, I wanted to ask about…
Chair Stinger: Let’s see for – let’s start with
Ms. van de Zwaag: Just some clarity they have more than five cases, just five of them are
through the mandatory response. I just wanted that clarity Commissioner.
Commissioner Lee: Yes, no, and that’s why I was asking in terms of other City’s that have
similar mandatory response programs if that number is high or low.
Chair Stinger: Let’s see if there are any…
Mr. Hebert: If I may? It’s an interesting question. There are only five cases where the tenants
decided to fill out a petition and return it to me and insist on mediation that way. There are quite
a number of cases where they asked for voluntary mediation and things proceeded forward. I
don’t capture that distinction in here. I don’t know just how I would capture it with our current
database. With that said, we all wish that more people in the City used the mediation program.
As Karen mentioned the mediators are hungry to do the work and I can assure you in my role as
the guy answering the phone, I was always pushing meditation as a preferred solution. I’ll just
take a moment when I get a phone call I have a dual role, so I’m a tenant/landlord councilor at
Project Sentinel and in that role, I’m advising people about what their rights are under the Civil
Code. Then also what additional recourse they may have based on the ordinances in the City. In
Palo Alto, there are two ordinances directed specifically at tenant/landlord and there are other
ordinances that impact them like the No Smoking Ordinance. Similarly in Los Gatos there are
local ordinance, so I do that and while I’m doing that I’m aware and sometimes, I’ve described
to my colleagues, I feel a little like an arms dealer sometimes when I’m doing that because I’m
talking also a third of the time to landlords and telling them here are your remedies for this
problem, as you see it, according to the Civil Code. So, that’s hat number one and then I try to
say and if your relationship is going to continue, I have what I think is a better solution than
trying to beat each other up with the Civil Code and I promote the mediation. So, that’s how I’ve
been presenting it for 5 or 6-years now and I wish we had more people calling.
Ms. Guzman: I can speak to the other programs that we administer and I’m familiar with the
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different rent review programs. We have one in Fremont and I was just at a meeting in Fremont
today and they were –I don’t have on the top of my head what the total amount of renters in
Fremont is but it’s a pretty high amount. They’re Rent Review Board did 20 cases -- I think less
than 20 went to mediation and then one went to their Rent Review Board. That’s – I mean I think
that’s dependent on the ordinance itself and that ordinance, it’s non-binding and so you can see
that people might not take it all the way to that point. I’m a bit familiar with the City of San
Jose’s and they are just starting. They do have a rent registry program so people are required to
register as well as in Mountain View and those two programs see a lot higher participation in
those because of the, I think, the mandatory aspect. Where we have ordinances where there are
not a lot of teeth to it, where there’s no – it’s non-binding to go through a public process it
doesn’t – those numbers are very low. I mean just of our total cases for the year was 158 and
then our calls is 375 and so those are issues that are separate than the specific rent increase issue
and those numbers speak to a lot of other topics people are dealing with.
Mr. Luis Espinoza Inostroza: (inaudible)
Ms. Guzman: Oh sure, yes.
Mr. Inostroza: I have been covering Campbell before this role and I will continue to cover in
Campbell and its very similar case. The total calls during the year are about 275 calls but out of
those, there are about 140 that become cases because of required extensive counseling. Also,
they have the ordinance that when we offer the petition to either protest the rent increase or to
protest the service reduction repairs; my internet has not been provided for example. I send the
petition but as Paul was explaining barely any return and the point is that over the year two
conciliations, no mediation. I just had one mediation a month ago and because it’s an ordinance
that my Director said is non-binding. Therefore, people drop it either in the middle because they
go through mandatory mediation but then you can go to the fact finding committee which is
appointed by the City Council. Then people are no longer for it because they realize it’s non-
binding so if we both don’t agree, I don’t do anything. So, in those numbers is zero and have
been zero for the last 2 or 3-years . So, it is a tendency, especially when the ordinance has no
binding regulation so I would say – well you can compare on your own.
Vice Chair O’Nan: I wanted to ask about the language capabilities that you mentioned especially
the new mediators. So, you mentioned Mandarin speakers, Spanish, German, French, so do you
feel like you could mediate in other languages now because we have a large population of non-
native speakers in Palo Alto?
Ms. Michael: We can meditate in Mandarin, Spanish, French, English, Russian and Hindi.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Wow.
Mr. Hebert: And German.
Ms. Michael: German. How’d I miss that? Among our new mediators we have one speaking
Mandarin, two Spanish, one French and German and then everybody speaks English.
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Vice Chair O’Nan: That’s wonderful.
Mr. Inostroza: Also, the last training, because I attended the last training in May for the new
mediators, also has a component how we address a different ethnic background, different
languages, different cultures. Because you have to address differently because, for an example, I
speak Spanish, I was born in South America so I can tell that I hold back a little bit so we have to
address also as mediators those cultural characteristics. The last training designed by Roy
Gordon and Martin Eichner has that component so in fact, we talked about that in the last
training in May.
Commissioner Lee: I think it’s great that you all have folks who speak other languages. I’m
wondering to what extent are you getting calls from folks who speak those languages or to what
extent do people whose primary language is all Mandarin or Hindi or others are aware of the
program. I think that might be an interesting avenue to explore to making sure that those
communities know that you have folks who can mediate in those languages and that this service
is available to them in their native language.
Mr. Hebert: I get very few calls, in fact in this past year only one call where the person might be
multilingually asked for someone to speak in another language. That was a Russian speaker who
had some English and so we were able to begin the conversation but then each time, once it was
begun, I got a translator in order to work with her. That is the only instance in the past several
years where the people calling felt dependents upon the assistance of a translator.
Commissioner Lee: I also wanted to ask about the…
Chair Stinger: Let’s…
Commissioner Lee: Unless… I’m sorry.
Chair Stinger: Let’s just see if there are any other questions of…
Commissioner Kralik: I wondered if you could go through the training since I think it’s pretty
comprehensive and might give our fellow Commissioners an understanding of how detailed the
background is in meditation for the panel members. How long is the training? What are the
various elements of that? Thank you.
Commissioner Smith: We know it’s expensive.
Ms. Michael: I took my training 9-years ago and then this last year I retook the new training so I
guess they’re looking at me. It’s a 40-hour training, it’s required and its community mediation so
as Megan indicated it’s not a legal mediation. Even if people are attorneys and they’ve taken a
lot of mediation they must do this as well. You know an emphasis on our neutrality is very much
a part of it. There are several phases of mediation, the first is case development. So, when we get
a case we call both parties and we listen to them and have conversations with both to see if
mediation can be set up, so we go through all of that. Then we talk about meditation itself and
have, oh my gosh, how many days? Luis took it along with me. Four days’ worth of role plays, I
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mean just role play after role play after role play and they were designed from real mediations.
We have observers come in and evaluate who are experienced meditators. What part am I
missing? Go ahead.
Ms. Gorman: Just the emphasis on active listening
Ms. Michael: Oh yes, well it really is all about listening. We’re really facilitators so we’re there
to make sure that the parties feel safe, that everybody is heard, techniques for making sure that
parties are understanding each other, a lot of techniques for that kind of thing and definitely
active listening.
Mr. Hebert: The one other thing and you can speak to this just fine is that it’s not directive. The
reason you insist on the community mediation training is because if you are trained in say at
Pepperdine or one of those other law schools, then you will be learning a more directive and
consultative style of mediation. There are many ways to approach the mediation process but the
community mediation program that we have emphasizes all the mediator's sign an agreement that
they will avoid offering elements of the solution themselves. So, they do not participate in
generating the solution in order to insist in a way that the parties themselves come up with the
solution that they want. The mediators then have this challenging role to sit on their own ideas
because if you’ve been sitting in the mediator’s seat for a few years, as many of our mediators
have, you’ve seen a lot of these things solved and you have a really wonderful idea for them
which you signed a paper saying you won’t offer.
Ms. Michael: I’ll give you an example; let’s say parties are negotiating with a security deposit
which is really the most common mediation we have. It’s about the numbers generally but not
totally about the numbers. There something going on which is not the issue, so part of it is to
really find out what’s going on with both parties. Make them feel safe so that they are able to say
they have to sign a confidentiality statement, we talk a lot about confidentiality in the training, to
let them know that they are safe. They can say what they want in there so they start talking and
they start negotiating and we kind of kickback when that happens. If they are talking to each
other and it’s going well and they get stuck at $100 apart. They’ve gone from several thousand
dollars to $100 dollars and you’re going oh my, can’t they just split the difference. The most we
can do is talk to each of them may be individually and say you’re $100 apart. What do you think
might be something that you can do with this and they may say uh huh and I’ve seen people walk
away with no agreement when they’re $100 apart? That needs to be ok with us. So, we can’t
have a stake in it, we can’t make those suggestions.
Chair Stinger: Thank you for that. I wanted to ask the Chairs, what do you think is some of the
biggest challenges that you have? We’re looking at the diversity in the language but I wonder
what you see as the challenges from your standpoint?
Ms. Michael: In terms of what?
Chair Stinger: In terms of just the program. Is it the recruitment of mediators; is it getting called
from the community, having enough time? Where would you put your strategic focus? If you
wanted to solve a problem what’s the biggest problem that you see?
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Ms. Michael: Drumming up business. We are a well-kept secret in Palo Alto if feels like
sometimes because I know there are a lot of problems out there that people aren’t aware of us.
We are addressing that, actually it’s going to be on this month’s agenda with the new mediators
with new ideas. One of them has already been working with Luis and us to come up with
something to put on Next Door. So, we’re looking at how we can reach the community. Over the
weekend I attended a candidate event and talked to a former City Council person who suggested
that I can just go to a City Council meeting and fill out a card and at the end give a little plug, so
I’m going to do that. We want more calls, we want more business. I mean it’s great if people
don’t have conflicts but I imagine there’s quite a few out there that we’re not able to reach so
that really, I think is our main thing. Would you agree?
Commissioner Smith: I have a question. You talked about the marketing that you did earlier and
then you talked about the fact that you meditate in several different languages and then you said
nobody ever calls. Do you advertise in non-English formats?
Ms. Gorman: I don’t think we do.
Ms. Michael: Is our brochure in Mandarin?
Mr. Hebert: The brochure and the card that the Police Department has are in multiple languages.
Spanish on the brochure and it is available in both languages and there’s a little card that the
Police Department and the Animal Control Department because those are two departments that
we align with and we make sure they have this information. That has I think also the Chinese
characters on it.
Ms. Gorman: Oh, can you maybe show him the card? Would you like to see one of our cards?
Ms. Hebert: But that does not seem to be getting us those calls and it could be that it gets us the
calls and the person calls us in English and so we don’t discover that that was their preferred. If
there are able to describe their problem in English then we work with them that way.
Ms. Michael: I would just add thank you for bringing that up, we need to consider it.
Commissioner Lee: I wanted to…
Chair Stinger: I’d like to ask for a motion.
Commissioner Lee: I have one additional question. I wanted to ask…
Chair Stinger: Question.
Commissioner Lee: I wanted to ask about who the mediators are? I think last time you all were
here about a year ago, I had requested and I think someone had agreed to put together some
general statistics on who are the mediators in terms of gender, age, are they homeowners, do they
rent? It just gives us a better sense of who the pool of current mediators are, so I’m wondering if
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you have had an opportunity to do that sort of analysis.
Ms. Michael: I did my best with the information that we get. I think you probably have gotten
copies of our applications,
Commissioner Lee: Ok and there are about 20 or mediators total right?
Ms. Michael: Yes there will be 20 mediators. The demographics that I could figure out really
quickly, first of all, we all live or work in Palo Alto or Stanford because that is one of our two
requirements. The other requirement and we have no others then these two is that everybody
completes the 40-hour community mediation training. So, we have everybody’s addresses so the
neighborhoods can be calculated and I think Paul may have looked at that a little bit. We talked
about the languages spoken. Gender, 5 male, 15 female which is probably pretty much within the
range of what typical volunteer gender splits are and we don’t trackage, ethnicity, whether
people own or rent because that information is not required to become a mediator. So, that’s not
information that we track.
Commissioner Lee: I understand that and I respect that. I think my interest last year and it
remains an interest now is making sure that our volunteer bodies are representative of our
population well definitely gender you’re doing a great job on but also age, ethnicity, also their
perspectives. You know 45 percent of this town is renters so I am very interested in knowing
whether the pool of mediators represents that break down as well. So, even though it’s not asked
for on the application itself I think it would be fairly easy to ascertain that information given that
it’s a pool of 20 people just through an email or survey. With all due respect at this point, I’m not
going to be comfortable approving new mediators without that demographic break down,
especially because I had requested it and the folks who came last year had offered to provide that
information.
Ms. Michael: We were here last year, the three of us.
Commissioner Lee: I remember last year one of you two had offered to provide that information
the next time around.
Ms. Michael: I did not.
Commissioner Lee: Ok well…
Ms. Gorman: Steven, I I’m a little bit confused because how can we ask someone whether they
rent or own? That seems like a very private piece of information and we shouldn’t be expected to
give that out nor..
Commissioner Lee: It certainly can be optional for…
Ms. Gorman: How can we do that? I would love your ideas for how to do that.
Commissioner Lee: I certainly think it can be optional but the fact that we haven’t tried to collect
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that information is, in my opinion, unacceptable. As a Human Relations Commissioner I think
it’s important that we ensure our bodies are representative and so I’m not going to be voting to
approve…
Chair Stinger: I would like to intervene for just a second; I think we’re mixing up the Action
Item in front of us which is approval of five really good applicants and the process. I’d like to
separate that discussion. I’m not saying dismiss it, separate it, and first look at the applicants.
Then maybe we can suggest that an Ad Hoc Committee work together in our role through the
Liaison to resolve your question because I don’t want to dismiss it but I don’t want it to block
our ability to recognize five seemingly talented and extremely qualified volunteers. People who
have stepped up to say I want to serve this community and I don’t want to deny them their ability
that’s not even the right noun. I don’t want to deny them the chance to volunteer. I hear your
concern that there may be people in the community who are not recruited and we want to
incorporate them into the fold also. I’d like to take that second – not secondarily -- in parallel but
I’d like to separate the two questions so that we give them both due respects.
Commissioner Lee: I hear you and respectfully I’m going to disagree. I think it’s a fairly
straightforward question that doesn’t require too much effort.
Chair Stinger: No, I didn’t say…
Commissioner Lee: I don’t think an Ad Hoc Committee is necessary. I think this is something
PAMP can do on its own fairly easily and so on the action before us tonight to approve new
mediators because of the lack of that demographic information I’m going to be voting no on that
particular action. My suggestion would be if we’re able to gather that information I would be on
board with approving them at the next meeting. I think we have a full slate of folks who handle
the cases between now and then. There’s no urgency to approve five additional members at this
time.
Ms. Gorman: Steven if the information is optional and if we go back to our membership and they
have an option, they can tell us whether they rent or own in Palo Alto and we receive zero
information back. How will you -- I mean if it’s optional. We’re happy to do this…
Commissioner Lee: If it’s optional and they choose not to then I will respect that but I would at
least try to collect, not only on that question but on the other aspects of…
Ms. Gorman: What are the other aspects?
Commissioner Lee: Age, ethnicity, just all the different demographic questions that I had posted
in my question in advance of the meeting. I think it’s important that we have a clear picture of
who makes up the body of mediators and whether they’re representative of the community of
Palo Alto both in…
Ms. Michael: So, I have renter, homeowner, landlord…
Commissioner Lee: Yes.
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Ms. Michael: and some people can be more than one.
Commissioner Lee: Sure.
Ms. Michael: Neighborhood…
Commissioner Lee: Neighborhood.
Ms. Michael: …age, gender we know that.
Commissioner Lee: That we know.
Ms. Michael: Ethnicity, other languages that are spoken. We have only collected that when they
applied and we don’t track it.
Commissioner Lee: Sure.
Ms. Michael: So, I think we need to re-ask and is there another else that you didn’t include.
Commissioner Lee: I think probably length of residency would be interesting as well if folks…
Ms. Michael: Length of residency in Palo Alto?
Commissioner Lee: In Palo Alto, yes. Again, totally optional but I would like us to at least try to
ask those questions.
Chair Stinger: Well – let’s see, is that something that needs a vote?
Commissioner Lee: I mean the Commission is not directing but I’m saying my vote is tied to
answering those questions.
Chair Stinger: Let’s…
MOTION
Vice Chair O’Nan: I’m going to interject here. We can go ahead and approve the mediators and
Steven can certainly vote against that. We don’t need to be unanimous so I move that we go
ahead and approve the outstanding candidates that the Palo Alto Mediation Program recruited
this year and I would ask if anyone would second that?
Ms. Michael: And the re-applicant.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Oh, and the re-applicants, I’m sorry.
Commissioner Smith: One of the things that I have a little bit of a challenge with right now is
particularly after watching the national climate, that representation is very critical. Who hears
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you and who hears your voice? I was very grateful to hear in the training that there was
something that dealt with how to deal with people from different backgrounds but representation
is a serious thing and it should not be glossed over. The one thing I don’t know do you have any
African American or black mediators? What percentage is Asian? What percentage are renters?
What percentages aren’t? Because as suppose you put it if me and Commissioner Xue have a
conversation and we need a mediator. I come from Jamaica, he comes from China, we come
from two different perspectives, we have two different educational backgrounds, and sometimes
the validity of seeing a mediator that makes that understands that or is there some representative
is a critical thing in that case. So, if it’s something as simple as sending a survey that people can
op in and out of and it doesn’t slow services down, I’m going to hold my vote until we do the
survey because representation for me is a big, big deal. I’m not saying you guys are doing a bad
job or whatever I just want to say that maybe next year if we look at the stats and say we might
need to do something to recruit specifically; like maybe go to Black House on Stanford Campus
and see if we can get more African Americans or go to the Chinese-American Parents
Association to get more Chinese-American but we don’t know. Our job is to be representative of
a community.
Chair Stinger: I just want to respond to that, I just think that’s so well said, and I don’t want to
stop at a survey. I think the idea is to expand the recruitments because they are so valuable that to
me that’s more valuable than the survey of current mediators. I would like to propose that we
offer those ideas and those suggestions but I still think we can separate the Action Item that’s on
the table. We have one motion at the table.
Commissioner Kralik: I just want to say as the Liaison, I’d be happy to take up the issue of
representation in terms of the mediation panel and work with the Commissioners who have
voiced their concerns. I’ll do my best as a Liaison to promote a more representative group. I
think I am prepared to vote though.
Chair Stinger: I would really like to…
Commissioner Lee: So, is that a second?
Commissioner Kralik: Yes, I am going to second.
Chair Stinger: I appreciate that offer because I think there’s too many good ideas on the table to
close a discussion without having those ideas
Commissioner Kralik: I personally have met each of these mediators twice now and they’re so
much different than me and so worldly with a variety of languages and experiences. I kind of feel
that given all the work that they have put into applying, training, attending meetings as
volunteers that we don’t want to lose them. We do want to get them involved and I do think that
as a group they represent an expansive group of people with the better chance at representing
Palo Alto. They are from all over the world and they have that experience, including a Mandarin
speaker which I think is a critical thing.
Commissioner Lee: So, I have a point of clarification.
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Vice Chair O’Nan: Qifeng does
Commissioner Kralik: Do you guys – he has the floor.
Commissioner Lee: I have a point of clarification.
Vice Chair O’Nan: No, he has a question.
Chair Stinger: My apologies, I missed the light.
Commissioner Xue: I’m new; this is a wonderful program for me to hear. Before then I didn’t
even know about this program, so one quick question. If there are limited about this Committee,
up to 20? No, so you guys can expand, right?
Ms. Gorman: Members.
Ms. Michael: Oh, we can have 25 members.
Commissioner Xue: Twenty-five members right, so currently we are voting for five new
members, 15 renewing members, and right? So, we still have five…
Ms. Michael: Twelve.
Commissioner Xue: Twelve, you still have…
Ms. Michael: Twelve new, five new or 12 returning.
Commissioner Xue: Yes, so we are retaining so we still have eight safe empty right so we still
can recruit so in terms of trying to find good…
Ms. Michael: Five seats.
Commissioner Xue: …representatives. Five seats, five extra seats.
Ms. Michael: So – oh, I’m on. We have a recruiting schedule…
Commissioner Xue: Right.
Ms. Michael: …and we start our process in January, we interview people in April, the end of our
fiscal year is in June so we make our selection in April. So, we will be doing that and it’s a part
of our bylaws that we do it annually. We recruit for 2-years and applicants also are 2-year
periods.
Chair Stinger: So, we would have from now until January to give you input on ideas.
Commissioner Lee: So, I have appoint…
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Ms. Michael: And suggestions of how…
SUBSTITUTE MOTION
Commissioner Lee: I have a point of clarification. After a second has been made, can a
commissioner make a substitute motion prior to the vote on the main motion?
Ms. van de Zwaag: I believe so.
Commissioner Smith: Yes.
Commissioner Lee: I’m going to make a substitute motion to table this item until the November
meeting.
Chair Stinger: So, does the…
Vice Chair O’Nan: Someone has to second his…
Ms. van de Zwaag: I believe you would need a second for that and then we would vote on the
substitute motion and then we would go back to the main motion.
Chair Stinger: Can I have a… do you want to ask for your second?
Commissioner Smith: You have to restructure.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION AMENDED BY THE MAKER
Commissioner Lee: I’m going to modify my substitute motion then to – my motion it to table
this item, to bring it back in November on the condition that PAMP goes out and does the survey
as requested and it will be optional.
Commissioner Smith: I can second that.
Chair Stinger: Ok, we’ll take a…
Ms. Michael: Can I ask just to clarify? The motion is that you vote on the new members and the
returning members in November at your meeting based on us, prior to that time, doing a survey
with the items that you’ve requested and coming back to you with that information for your
November meeting?
Commissioner Lee: That’s correct.
Commissioner Smith: I’ll explain the why. It is never a doubt that the work you do is amazing
work and I think it is work that is much needed. I know that you have volunteers, trust me I run a
volunteer organization. I know the challenges of finding somebody to come up with $500 but our
mandate here is to say what does it look like for all of the population of the City and all the
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services we work I’ve seen a lot of – particularly in my Pastoral role, I’ve seen a lot of people get
abused in the renter position and get marginalized and get pushed and I’m not saying that’s
you’re at fault. I just want to know what the representation looks like and my job on the Human
Relation Commission is always to ask the question what does representation look like? I’m not
saying you’re doing anything wrong, I just want more information because the reality is a great
antidotal story and I think Gabe – I listened to your slate, it was great you had somebody that
lived about 18 places; you had another person that spoke multiple languages. It sounds like
there’s a great diversification happening there but that’s just antidotal. I don’t know the other 12,
I don’t and I, in good conscious, if I want to send somebody there that feels marginalized
already in this community because they are either black or Latino, they are going to say who’s
my mediator and what do they look like and will they really be able to help me? I can’t – yes, go,
go.
Ms. Gorman: We’re not supposed to be an advocate for one side of the other so we’re neutral.
So, even if we’re not the same…
Commissioner Smith: It doesn’t – but often times…
Commissioner Lee: Judges are neutral (inaudible)
Commissioner Smith: There is a sense of how to best explain this? When someone walks into a
room that is of a different color, different ethnicity, different thing, and they look at the people
that are mediating and working with them. Their previous experience of structure and systems
can make it a very difficult moment for them. They have a history and I’m not saying it’s you,
I’m just saying it could be a history of issues.
Vice Chair O’Nan: I would just like to add, I have met at one time or another all of the mediators
because I have attended several of the events at PAMP. They are a very diverse group, I’ve seen
white faces, Jewish faces, Asian faces, people with dark skin, people with light skin, people with
accents, and people are native speakers of English. When people come to mediation they don’t
get to choose their mediator. Paul or now Luis simply goes and finds whoever’s available and
that person shows up as a neutral mediator. So, there’s no guarantee, even if there’s
representation at the level you’re requesting, that those parties will see someone who matches
their ethnicity when they show up. It’s kind of luck of the draw, it depends on who’s available.
Commissioner Smith: But you have to have someone in there to draw.
Commissioner Lee: I don’t think we’re advocating that you…
Vice Chair O’Nan: But it’s based on availabilities, it’s not based on ethnicity because of…
Ms. Gorman: Yes.
Commissioner Lee: But I don’t think we’re advocating that you should match the mediator to the
identity…
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Chair Stinger: Timeout, timeout, this is not turning into a productive discussion.
Commissioner Lee: Ok so we have a substitute motion.
Chair Stinger: We have a substitute motion.
Mr. Hebert: Could I intervene just once? So, I do appreciate the position that you’re describing
and although the process described for selecting mediators is as much as Jill said. If somebody
asks for a particular gender or something else, a particular language capability, we, of course,
will look to our panel for who has that quality. It has happened that if there was a gender feeling
or an issue – a feeling that there was a gender issue, and then we would have mediators –
certainly at least one mediator of the two in that gender if not both. So, we do attempt to be
sensitive to that so that’s point Number One. I think that the training that we have and the people
that we have are all very capable of putting someone at ease about the level of service they’ll get
but I understand your point. I don’t know if it would necessarily prevent someone from using the
program, I don’t know how to assess that. The other thing that I wanted to point out is that this
particular delay I’m not sure how to assess the impact because we have five people who are
ready to go. If we’re telling them you can’t participate until near the end of the year, whether we
could retain them. So, I think there is a risk in that delay for the five people that you heard
described.
Commissioner Lee: They were selected back in April correct?
Mr. Hebert: Yes, the process completed in May.
Commissioner Lee: So, they’ve been pending since May?
Mr. Hebert: They have and we have been taking steps to get them onboard. They’re term actually
begins in July so technically it began and normally this meeting or the approval meeting would
have already happened so a variety of things intervened.
Commissioner Smith: Our approval – and this is a historical question when the approval meeting
usually happens? I’m sorry.
Vice Chair O’Nan: In the spring usually.
Commissioner Smith: So, we’re 6-months delayed already?
Ms. Hebert: We’re a bit delayed, yes and there were a few things that contributed to that. Among
them, I think an assumption that wouldn’t be a problem and so I think that is creating an
additional set of considerations here and I just wanted to bring that up.
Ms. van de Zwaag: I think there was also an attempt to get on our September agenda and I think
because of timing and other issues that didn’t happen. I don’t think we had a conversation before
then but I know that there was an attempt by the script to get on the September agenda.
Chair Stinger: Let start the vote on the substitute motion.
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Commissioner Smith: Can I…
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes, we’re like an hour behind schedule.
Commissioner Smith: I understand we’re an hour behind schedule but I didn’t volunteer to not
ask questions and not figure this out so I’m going to take my time. I’m willing to vote for this but
I would like to make a sidebar agreement that Commissioner Kralik work with you guys and you
at least give us the survey so we can at least start having the questions on what the demographics
of the current group is. So, as you go into January, whether there needs to a modification, a
change, or even if we can make recommendations to find certain groups to help…
Ms. Gorman: We would like your advice but we thought we did a really good of recruiting this
year.
Commissioner Smith: If sounded like you did a great job.
Ms. Gorman: We were really proud of it, I’m sorry this is very painful for me; I don’t even want
to be in this group anymore. I actually feel like leaving.
Ms. Michael: Yes.
Ms. Gorman: This is extremely painful
Commissioner Kralik: Yes before you…
Vice Chair O’Nan: That’s what you’re doing to this group.
Commissioner Kralik: Yes before you take that…
Vice Chair O’Nan: I hope you’re happy.
Commissioner Kralik: … step let me just say that…
Ms. Gorman: I feel pain in my heart right now.
Commissioner Kralik: Yes but I think one of the misnomers here is that my fellow
Commissioners are making an assumption and the assumption is that people of different races,
religions, ethnicities cannot apply to be a mediator. That is so far from the truth. The Mediation
Panel is open and if that is what is being assumed, it’s just totally incorrect. If you want to recruit
more members that are capable of mediating with different groups of people, you should try to
find a good mediator without any basis of who they are in terms of their race, religion, or
background or rental because what you’re assuming also is the people who are mediators can’t
be fair unless they are part of that representative group. That is just so far from the truth of the
nature of these mediators. I happen to know them and so those two assumptions I think are really
bothering the mediators at the end of the table. You’re saying essentially if I don’t have
somebody as a mediator, who’s neutral, who’s part of my race, my background, that I don’t want
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to participate, well that’s too bad. I mean that’s a shame because these are great people who are
trained on being neutral. They are trained so that they take cognizant of differences in any type
of background and I think if you go through those assumptions and you demand that this panel
have that, I think you should open it up to everyone; which is it. You should attempt to get
people and recruit them so that you can get more cases. So, that their connections with those
communities come into mediation, yes but those two assumptions are really, I think, upsetting to
the people that you’re…
Chair Stinger: I’d like to speak for just a second. I think we have a lot of pain at the table but I
think we also have a lot of good ideas. We have a strong history of beneficial relationships, that’s
things you’ve done for the Commission and the Commission has done for you. We have strong
evidence of good mediators. We now have a strong liaison to PAMP that we have not had in 12
to 24-months and we have a request to increase the diversity of the mediators which…
Commissioner Smith: Let me say one thing.
Chair Stinger: Let me finish, please. I think that that request to reach out to different avenues – to
different neighborhoods will also bring in more awareness, more clients because we’re walking
those communities. I don’t want to lose any of that but I’d like to resolve the pain and I’d also
like to call the vote. If it’s something new and evaluated I would really like to hear it but I want
to move on.
Commissioner Smith: Ok…
Ms. Michael: (inaudible)
Commissioner Smith: Chair, I don’t know the ethnicity of – everybody keeps telling me that
we’re looking for certain representation. I don’t know the makeup of the mediators, I don’t. That
was my only question. That was my only question, that’s all I’m asking is what is…
Ms. Gorman: Do you want their names? Here, (inaudible) is Indian; Dyane is from Canada, Erica
Commissioner Smith: Oh, I didn’t have that paper.
Ms. Gorman: These are just their names.
Ms. Michael: You have the names.
Chair Stinger: We did…
Ms. Gorman: Jeff is a lawyer; Judith is a (inaudible) analyst.
Commissioner Smith: So, if I had that paper that you have, half my questions would have been
answered.
Chair Stinger: You have the paper.
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Vice Chair O’Nan: You got all their biographies sent to you in the Packet.
Ms. Gorman: Yes, all their bios are included.
Commissioner Lee: Of the new members, right?
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes.
Commissioner Lee: But not the existing pool.
Ms. Gorman: No, the existing pool…
Vice Chair O’Nan: Those have already approved.
Commissioner Lee: Yes but we’re being asked to reapprove them though right and we don’t
know that they’re (inaudible)
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes, but they’re grandfathered in so what do you need to know that you
didn’t 2-year ago?
Commissioner Lee: I’m sorry…
Chair Stinger: Timeout please, we have one person speaking.
Ms. van de Zwaag: I believe the packet did include a listing of all the current mediators.
Ms. Michael: Yes.
Ms. van de Zwaag: I’m asking Mary. Mary, look more deeply at the packet.
Ms. Michael: It’s on the first page.
Ms. van de Zwaag: I don’t believe you got that sir, I mean Commissioner.
Commissioner Smith: Ok so…
Chair Stinger: One speaker please, yes?
Ms. Michael: I just have a comment further to what Gabe said. One of our strongest skills, one of
the things that we work on the most and we practice and we have monthly meetings and we have
training at those meetings we discuss mediations with each other, what worked, what we might
have done better, how we can improve, we do that monthly. Maintaining confidentiality but what
we really focus on is helping the parties find common ground; helping them to listen to each
other. It doesn’t make any difference what color our skin is or where we were born in order to do
that. That is one of the primary skills that mediators have so I just wanted to emphasize what
Gabe said. I have a question if you don’t want to vote on our new mediators and the returning
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mediators until you have a breakdown of ethnicity and age but it’s not going to make any
difference because we might not have a full picture for you if it’s voluntary. Why do you need
that before you vote? We can certainly come back in November and present that information and
take your questions…
Commissioner Lee: So, with respect, I understand that the mediators are trained to be neutral and
I fully anticipate that they are neutral. Judges are also supposed to be neutral as well but that
does not mean that representation in our judiciary is not important. So, some of the comments
that I’ve heard tonight…
Vice Chair O’Nan: They’re not the judiciary.
Commissioner Lee: It doesn’t matter, the representation in anybody is important even if the
current composition has made a commitment to be neutral. Representation matters and so some
of the comments that I’ve heard are disturbing to me as a Human Relations Commissioner and
someone with a motion. I’m again, not inclined to vote yes on this, I made this request last year,
I, as an individual Commissioner, can’t direct you to do anything but I certainly have made these
requests in good faith previously. I think a 1-month delay is reasonable and again, this is a
reflection on your efforts or on the good work that you’re doing.
Commissioner Kralik: I think we’re getting repetitive.
Commissioner Lee: I just need additional information before…
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes, you’re getting repetitive, let’s vote.
Chair Stinger: I have called for the vote and I will call for it one more time. I’d like to have a
vote on the substitute motion…
Vice Chair O’Nan: Which is Steven’s – Commissioner Lee’s motion.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Who supports Commissioner Lee’s motion that we wait for November?
Commissioner Kralik: Not in favor.
Chair Stinger: Wait, all in favor?
Commissioner Lee: Aye.
Commissioner Smith: Second.
Chair Stinger: Opposed?
Commissioner Kralik: I vote against it, opposed.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Opposed.
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Commissioner Xue: Opposed.
Chair Stinger: That substitute motion fails.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION FAILED 2-4 WITH COMMISSIONER BRAHMBHATT
ABSENT
Chair Stiner: The original motion, do you want to repeat it?
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes, to approve the new mediators as well as the current mediators?
Commissioner Kralik: Aye.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Aye.
Commissioner Xue: Aye.
Commissioner Lee: No.
Chair Stinger: Opposed?
Commissioner Smith: Abstain.
Chair Stinger: 4-1-1
MOTION PASSED 4-1 WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH ABSTAINING AND
COMMISSIONER BRAHMBHATT ABSENT.
Chair Stinger: Do we need to vote on Commissioner Kralik’s suggestion to be inactive…
Vice Chair O’Nan: No.
Chair Stinger: …participant?
Vice Chair O’Nan: He (inaudible)
Ms. van de Zwaag: I think that was – is part of his role.
Chair Stinger: I just wanted to (inaudible)
Ms. van de Zwaag: If the Commission wants to take any type of further action regarding any of
the suggestions, that can be taken on at this time if the Commission has a desire beyond the role
of Commissioner Kralik. So, as staff that’s observing this process, that’s the conversation that
the Commission can enter into now if it so chooses.
Chair Stinger: I don’t want to continue the conversation; I just want to thank you for that. I
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hopefully, we’ll get a picture of the current situation and your challenges and where the
Commission may stand with you on a positive direction. I hope we can go – consider this our
well and built back to where we’ve been in the past.
Ms. Michael: May I request an answer to this question? Are we required to do a breakdown of
the information that was requested by Commissioner Lee?
Commissioner Kralik: No.
Ms. Michael: So, can that be clear for next time we walk in? I don’t want to be told again that we
promised something that we’re not delivering. Thanks.
Commissioner Lee: You’re certainly not required too but as long as I’m on the Commission I’m
going to be voting no unless I get that break down. I think last time I asked it, which is out of
courtesy I think, someone had said that they would but if – I certainly – I don’t speak for the
Commission but that’s my individual opinion as a Commissioner.
Vice Chair O’Nan: I really apologize for how you were treated tonight.
Commissioner Kralik: Can I suggest just a 2-minute break just to – it been a long discussion.
[The Commission took a 2-minute break]
2. Human Services Resource Allocation Process (HSRAP) Listening Forum –
Presentation by Vista Center for the Blind and Visually Impaired
Chair Stinger: [recording started mid-sentence] our HSRAP grantees and learn about some of the
new programs and some of the challenges that you face so that we are moving along with you.
Vista Center for the Blind and Visually Impaired has nicely come and sat and waited for this.
Ms. Sharon Hudson: Our pleasure.
Chair Stinger: I’m really appreciative of your presentation and happy to meet you.
Ms. Alice Turner: Great.
Chair Stinger: If you could introduce each other and…
Ms. Turner: Sure, I will start my name is Alice Turner, and I am the Community Relations
Manager at Vista Center. I have had the privilege of working for this organization for 13-years
and Sharon?
Ms. Hudson: I’m Sharon Hudson and I’m the Associate Director and I’ve been there a long time,
I’ve been there over 34-years.
Chair Stinger: Sharon, thank you.
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Ms. Turner: To my right under the table is my guide dog Cora and she’s been working for Vista
Center for 5 ½-years. Right after her puppy training she came and has been working by my side.
First of all, what I want to do is say that it’s a privilege to be in front of you today. I want to say
first and foremost that Vista Center for the Blind and Visually Impaired thanks you profoundly
for the support that you have provided to us over the year or over these past years. Really
specifically within the last couple of years, you’re funding on the 2-year grant that you have
provided to us, that grant was initially to help us to support 50 individuals in Palo Alto that have
significant vision loss. We have actually served 94 within this past year and of that 94 the
funding that you provided for us has assisted us with 30 of those. We’ll be able to give you a
little bit more information about that. I think the most important thing that I tell any individual
that comes to our agency -- I speak to many folks because I do the outreach for the organization
– is that if you or your family member is experiencing significant vision loss that Vista Center
will never turn you away. You will never be turned away from us because of an inability to pay
and that’s good news for the Palo Alto that we serve and that makes for very challenging times
for us and so we have an extremely dedicated staff and I have to say that I believe that we
provide life-changing programs. So, today since its education, I thought what I would do is to
give you a little glimpse into what happens when an individual comes to us for services. First of
all, again some numbers, we typically serve about 2,600 individuals every year. That is in four
counties, that’s San Mateo, Santa Clara, San Benito, and Santa Cruz Counties. We have a staff
that’s less than 50 people and so we are very busy folks. Within that population that we serve
there are different age groups. We serve children and we do that in a couple of different ways.
We do that through school contracts, so there are many school systems that are not staffed fully
for teachers for the visually impaired. So, what we do is we have individuals who are teachers
for the visually impaired which means that they have their masters in being able to provide
instruction to children who are blind or visually impaired. We contract with the school and we
augment their program. We also provide services for youth age 6 up to 22 we call it youth
services but really and truly what it is, it is providing these children and young adults up to
transition age with experiences and community. So, experiences can be something that’s age
appropriate, we don’t usually get 240 of them together. What we do is we group them together in
such a way where they are participating in activities that’s life-enriching that they may not have
through their family and they may not have through their school system. Last weekend there
were nine individuals that kayaked over to Angel Island, they set up their tents, they were able to
learn what we call the core skills and then they kayaked on back. For many of them that was the
first time that they had ever been in a kayak motored on the water by themselves. Obviously,
they were not steering; there was someone else that was their tandem. I’ve done kayaking myself
but just to think of what happens as far as the sense of esteem and independence when you have
that opportunity. That’s one population that we serve. We also serve working-age individuals
and in today economy working age can go on up to 65 but those are individuals who are working
or are interested in being employed. Then they come to us because they have experienced
significant vision loss or they have moved to this area and they needed services to help them to
get back on their feet. Then the third population, which is the most significant and I’ll give you a
little reason as to why. The third is our seniors and so in our senior group we service individuals
that are seniors over the age of 55 so I am a senior. So, seniors and we have…
Commissioner Kralik: Fifty-five did you say?
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Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes.
Ms. Turner: Over the age of 55.
Vice Chair O’Nan: There’s a few of us who might be.
Ms. Turner: Well the good news with being totally blonde is that – oh, not blonde, blind sorry,
the good news with that is that for me you can be any age but we clients that go on up to – I met
a woman today that was 102. Why that is profound is that is another time, in another day, that
individual could have been in a nursing home but she is living in an independent living
community. She’s getting the support that she needs to be able to still manage her life. Those are
some of the demographics. I’m going to give you two quick scenarios. One is a working age, so
that would be someone that has come to our agency. They are in their job and employed and
something has happened that has resulted in significant and dramatic vision loss. I was one of
those, so I have Congenital Glaucoma and what that means is that I was born with a condition
that I was able to maintain my vision through many, many surgeries. What occurs after a period
of time is that the optic nerve says you know what? We don’t want to do this surgery thing
anymore and so then I profoundly lost vision. I have light perception. My life prior to being
exposed to Vista Center was the fear of vision loss rather than really what being blind is all
about. If you take a moment and you think about one statistic that I read, people fear vision loss
more than cancer or death. The reason for that is that we live in a visual world and folks cannot
imagine how it is that they can function with having profound vision loss. I came to this agency
through a referral, through the Department of Rehabilitation. I was working at See’s Candies as
the Manager of Training, I was traveling, and I was going to our stores as well as our different
facilities where I had (inaudible) in LA and in San Mateo County. All of a sudden, I had lights
out blindness, so I needed to take a year off of work and I was referred to Vista Center. At that
time, it was known as Peninsula Center for those of us that have lived in this area for a long time.
In 9 -months I was able to cross streets, at first; I thought El Camino was like crossing the Nile
because I had no idea how to do that. So, I had orientation mobility that helped me to be able to
travel. I was able to manage money, I was able to cook, and I was able to function as an
independent individual participating in our community. I went back to work at See’s Candies for
another 9-years. Fully functional, fully enjoying the job and then at one point I just thought, you
know what? This agency turned my life around. I contacted the agency and said I think I would
like to volunteer. I had known many people at the agency and they said actually we have a
position and I didn’t look back except for missing the peanut butter patties. I didn’t look back
and that was 13-years ago and it still is a passion for me to let people know that vision loss is not
a sentence. It’s not a life sentence; it’s certainly not a death sentence. So, what happened after I
got the basic skills? Then I was able to travel, use my computer, facilitate groups just the same
way that I did when I was sighted, I learned how to continue to get back to cooking gourmet food
that I love to cook, I met a man, I got married, he’s blind, and in addition to that I hike, I kayak, I
travel. All of that I can attribute to being a part of an agency that said to me, tell me what you
want to do and we’ll help you how to get there. That’s a working age person. That is different
than a profile for a senior and so I’d like to give you an example of a senior. This is fictional;
however, it’s based on so many experiences that I have in speaking with our clients. Let’s just
imagine that there is a client who is 72-years old, lives in Palo Alto, rents, worked very, very
long and hard in his life, has been retired, is a widow, has adult children, and then all of a sudden
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Macular Degeneration enters his life. It was the Macular Degeneration that not only progressed
slowly but progressed very rapidly. He was not aware of Vista Center and what accorded is what
happens when individuals lose their vision; many things occur. One is that they don’t want to tell
anyone and they definitely don’t want to tell their adult children because they don’t want to be a
burden. They don’t want to travel, they don’t want to go outside because I remember the first
time that I stood at an intersection and I couldn’t see the curb on the other side. They all of a
sudden don’t know how to organize their food, how to organize what goes on in terms of their
closet, how do they pay bills, and it is overwhelming. So, what happens is that if this individual
gets referred to us, the door opens and that first door happens by a social worker going to this
individual and then they are helping to prioritize the needs for that person. Often times we know
that the person is overwhelmed, they’re depressed, they may not even know what to do and they
can get to the point and we have experienced this. They get to the point where they don’t see a
reason to live anymore. In that process what happens is that we introduce them to programs and
services in our agency and outside of our agency. Let’s just name this client Steve, so Steve
would first be introduced to our low vision clinic. There are other ways that he could be
introduced but we’ll start there. He can be referred to our low vision clinic. It is staffed by
specially trained optometrists and for people who have eye conditions and going to the eye
doctor is not a happy place. You are not told time and time again I can’t do anything for you.
Well, when they come to Vista Center we tell them this is what we can do for you. We are not
focused on that E, on that letter chart; we are focused on fictional vision. What were you able to
do that you can’t do now and now let’s figure out how to do that? So, what the optometrist does
is that they measure equity, yes. They measure their ability and their issues with glare, yes. Then
secondly what they are doing is that they are teaching them through an introduction to different
aides, magnifiers, CC TVs, I can clarify any of those for you, how it is that they can use the
vision that they have. How can they use a concept that’s as simple as contrast? Contrast is when
you come into a room and everything is the same color, so if you have any vision at all, it is
helpful if you have a dark table, have light chairs. If you have a table that’s dark then put a white
placemat on it. Something that makes something pop and what happens is that all of those
concepts we are teaching them how to use the remaining vision. The doctor that they may have
seen may say this is your diagnosis and this is what is going to occur but they don’t tell them that
you know what, you’re never going to have lights out blindness. There’s going to be unless
something else goes on with the vision that would cause that, but Macular doesn’t cause that.
That’s what our low vision optometrist do, is that they provide hope. The optometrist door is
very close to my office and I cannot tell you the number of times when I see a family member
and a dad going in there, they come out and they are profoundly thanking our doctors because all
they’ve been told is what they can’t do anymore and we’re telling them what they can do. After
the low vision optometrist, the next most important thing is are you safe and so in your brochure,
you’ll see a description of our programs that are focused on safe and healthy living. Let’s figure
out where you travel, how you travel and how are you going to get there? You know what; you
can’t drive a car anymore. If someone said to you tomorrow that you can’t drive your car
anymore, how would that feel? You might be relieved based on the traffic but for many of our
clients, especially the older clients, taking away those keys is taking away their independence.
So, what do our instructors do? They all have their masters in rehab which includes orientations
mobility. What they’re doing is they are teaching them how to travel safely first within their
home, then within their community, then through public transportation. They are teaching them
how to advocate for themselves when they get on a bus. If they’re not sure where they’re going
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they learn how to make sure that they get that information from the bus driver. I always say our
staff has two main values, one is competence and one is compassion. They are there every step
of the way to be able to help that person to regain the confidence that they can leave their house.
Orientation mobility is usually a first step, no pun intended but a first step for our clients. Then
the next thing is how you manage all of those things in your life. Just take for a moment and
think about the things that you did today. You could have fixed food, you could have reviewed
bills, you reviewed the material for the meeting today, you came here today, how much of that
do you feel it was dependent upon vision and what we will tell you is that with the right tools and
with the right skills you can do every single one of those things. So what daily living skills is all
about is managing your home and those daily tasks of life. I always tell the clients when I meet
them if before you lost your vision if you were disorganized; you’re going to get organized
because there’s a proper place for everything in your home. There’s a way that we can help you
to manage that. My guide dog will not find my keys for me; I need to remember where those
keys are. I need to know exactly where things are and be very disciplined to make sure that they
go back in the right place. I need to manage my clothing, I like my clothes to match, and so there
are ways that we can teach them how to do that. Every single layer that we are doing here is
taking away that feeling of hopelessness and bringing back self-esteem and confidence and then
members of the community as well. So daily living skills, then that person may be interested in
learning about technology. We are living in the most incredible age to be blind and I know that
that sounds funny but the fact is that I have my iPhone. On this iPhone I can do – well she still
says try again but my iPhone can do so many things for me and it is all speech activated. So, I
get a dollar bill in my pocket, I’m not sure if it’s a dollar or a five, I open up an app, it’s called
money reader and it tells me what it is. I’m not sure what color the different top and bottom that I
have, I don’t like wearing brown and blue together. So, I can hold it up, take a picture and it tells
me what color. I have food that comes into the house that has a barcode. On that barcode, I can
take my phone or a device that husband and I have at home which is the ID Maid. You show it to
the ID Maid up to the barcode; the barcode reads everything that’s on that item not only,
unfortunately, what the calories are but then also how to prepare that food. Every item that goes
along with this we as individuals want to be independent. We don’t like to be dependent upon
people and when I work with folks that have lost vision I say we are inter-dependent. Let’s find
out the tools that will help you to manage your life in the way that you want to manage your life.
Then most importantly, how to ask for help and that’s where our social services team comes in.
Every person that comes to us is matched with a social service representative. These folks have
their masters and they go out and work with the client in their home. That first visit then maps
out what is the most important person – I mean excuse me, the most important activity for that
person. When I went through the program I was so anxious to get back to work. I was just like
boom, boom, boom, boom but we may have a senior that wants to take things slowly. We don’t
have a roadmap, we know how to get you where you want to get too but we’re not going to tell
you how long it needs to take. We can work with a client for 2-months, 3-months, 6-months, 1-
year until that person feels confident in their ability to be able to maintain their quality life, and
we are there by their side. What happens with vision loss is that it’s not static. What may happen
with that Steve who has Macular is that initially, he may have been able to read print but that
goes. Not reading print for some of our seniors is worse than not driving. They feel like they
can’t read the newspaper and they can’t listen to books. So, what we want to do is get them
connected with the National Library Service and then also other services where through their
phone they can listen to the newspaper. It is amazing to see what happens when our clients start
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layer by layer by layer to go from that point of hopelessness to that point of you know what, I not
only 72 and I have two adults and some grandchildren but I have happened to be blind and that
doesn’t define me. So, the work that we do in the community, the work that we do with the
individuals is life-changing, it’s a privilege to be a part of it, and Steve has now decided that he
is part of a book group. We have a book group at our agency. He has enjoyed hiking again. We
have volunteers that come and we have an individual who arranges outdoor recreation activities
for adults. It’s not just the kids that get to do fun things. We go hiking, we go kayaking, and we
tap into the community as far as volunteers and then that represents another program. You might
have the best technology, you might have a lot of support but you know what, what you want is
occasionally one person to come into your house 2-hours a week and do sited tasks for you. I’ll
give you a quick example, my husband is able to scan our mail and we’ll get our mail, scan it,
put it on the computer, it will read it back to us. Takes maybe about 3-4-minutes for each piece
of mail and then I open it and it says Geico is here for you. I spent all that time just reading a
piece of junk so well no offense to Geico but I’m not going to use their service. So, what we will
do is that we will have a dedicated person that will go to their home and be with them for 2-hours
and do whatever tasks and I’ll give you some because I manage the volunteer program. It might
mean reading their mail, it might mean reading a book with them, and we have volunteers that
have helped an individual to take down notes because she wrote a book. That person might want
to go the symphony, they may want to walk around the block but when you feel compromised in
vision and no matter how independent I am, I tell you every once in a while, I think if I didn’t
have Cora, going around the corner to go and pick up something, is it really worth it? Can I
figure out another way of getting it? So, every once in a while, it’s just nice to have someone that
doesn’t expect anything and all they want to do is come and work with you for a couple of hours.
Then that improves their relationship with their family, they are not sitting there with their adult
children or a spouse and every time that they are visiting they are performing tasks as opposed to
visiting. We’ve talked about safe and healthy living, we’ve talked about technology, and we have
other services in our agency where we partner with transportation to make sure that those audible
signals are set up. That the transportation through Para-transit is operating correctly. Yes?
Chair Stinger: Excuse me, can I just interrupt for just sec? We have…
Ms. Turner: Tell me, am I talking too long?
Chair Stinger: Time constraints.
Ms. Turner: I can stop.
Chair Stinger: Mostly I wanted to make sure that the (inaudible)
Ms. Turner: I get excited so I’m going to stop.
Chair Stinger: We want to open it up and make sure that people have a chance to ask questions…
Ms. Turner: Great.
Chair Stinger: … and hear some of the…
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Ms. Turner: I am ready and so is Sharon. If you want to know numbers ask Sharon if you want to
know other stuff ask me.
Commissioner Kralik: This is Commissioner Kralik…
Ms. Turner: Hello.
Commissioner Kralik: Alice I just want to say that you’re a compelling speaker and you have a
wonderful personal story. I do have an uncle who was an eye surgeon who had Macular
Degeneration and so I have watched him over the years dealing with that issue and
congratulations to you. I also have friends in our church who attend church who are blind and I
do fall within your third group I’m afraid so I am 57, I still try to work occasionally. That seems
to be a challenge and I just wanted to ask you how did you do that, go back to work for 9-years?
What did you do and what were the changes that you had to do to make that work?
Ms. Turner: The biggest change and I say technology levels the playing ground. On my
computer I have software first I use Zoom Texts which magnifies and then also has speech
factors. Then when I lost more vision I use Jaws which is a screen reader. So, with training that
was provided to me by Vista Center, I learned how to use this software. So, once you learn how
to use it, any single thing that you are doing on your computer I can do. Sometimes using keys as
opposed to the mouse I can probably do it faster. When you learn that for your job, that’s
imperative but the second piece is what goes on for how do you tell people? How do you ask for
help? How do you educate the employers around you and the employees around you? That’s a
process that our agency can also help out with. I was lucky, I worked for an extremely supportive
organization and they pretty much said tell us what you need and we’ll try to make it work. You
have to be a self-advocate. I hope that answers your question.
Commissioner Kralik: It does thanks so much for coming.
Chair Stinger: Commissioner O’Nan.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes, so my first question is how could you bare to leave those peanut butter
patties?
Ms. Turner: It wasn’t easy because the candy makers use to bring them off the belt when they
were just warm so I actually conducted training for the multilingual population within our plant
as well as our management team. I just loved working for them and I think they got that and so
they would come and deliver product to me.
Vice Chair O’Nan: My more serious question…
Ms. Turner: Yes.
Vice Chair O’Nan: … is I’m living in a building with somewhat I would call super seniors,
people who are well into their 80’s and 90’s.
Ms. Turner: Yes.
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Vice Chair O’Nan: Some of them are experiencing various levels of vision loss and many no
longer drive. The unifying theme for them is that they feel very isolated.
Ms. Turner: Absolutely.
Vice Chair O’Nan: So, is this something that Vista can help with because they are living
independently and I wouldn’t consider them blind but they are definitely visually impaired to the
point that they can’t drive.
Ms. Turner: Very few of our clients qualify themselves as blind. I say that because I just have
light perception and sometimes it’s just easier. The majority of the clients that we serve are
visually impaired so that can be anything from acuity of a 20/200 or greater. You’d be surprised
how much you can see at 20/200, I wish I still had 20/200 but it is that low vision that can be so
scary because one, oh I’m not talking on mic? One is that you don’t know if it’s going to get
worse and two is how do you manage it? That represents the majority of our clients. So, we
would go to that clients, speak with them in the home and then just gently introduce them to all
the services that we know that would help to make their life better. I would be happy in any one
of the things that I do is I go out to communities and I talk to them about how an agency for the
blind and visually impaired helps folks. Yes.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Thank you.
Ms. Turner: Yes.
Chair Stinger: Commissioner Lee.
Commissioner Lee: Hi, Alice.
Ms. Turner: Hi.
Commissioner Lee: I’m Commissioner Lee. I wanted to ask two questions. The first one is
regarding the City. How do you think the City is doing in terms of making sure that it’s
accessible to the visually impaired to get around the City and access different City services or
facilities? How would you say that the City is doing and what could we work on?
Ms. Turner: Ok, audible signals, audible signals are my friend. I know how to read an
intersection, so what I mean by that is that I can stand at an intersection and listen. I can tell
whether it’s controlled by a street light, a stop sign, when the cars are turning and when it’s safe
for me to go. Boy oh boy that audible that gives me that reassurance that it is indeed safe to go,
my heart is not in my throat when I’m crossing the street. We have an audible signal at the corner
of California Avenue and El Camino which is where our office is located. It’s a complicated
world in navigating audible signals so some of it is City and some it is also state, depending upon
if it’s associated with El Camino. So, to answer your question I would like to see more audible
signals and I would like that process to be not as difficult as it is to make it happen.
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Commissioner Lee: Gotcha.
Ms. Turner: The other thing is that information to access; I am honored to say that when I access
information on the websites for the City of Palo Alto it’s accessible. What I mean by that is that
it built in a way for a screen reader so that when I go through it, I can use the shortcut keys that I
have to navigate it. I can’t tell you how frustrating it is to go to a website and hear button, button,
button, menu, menu, menu, and there’s not there that tells me what it is so information is power.
Yes, does it require? Yes. Does it always happen at the pace? No, but for the City of Palo Alto,
you should be proud of yourself.
Chair Stinger: (inaudible)
Ms. Turner: Well we too, I’m here.
Commissioner Lee: My second question was related to technology. Obviously, we live here in
the heart of Silicon Valley.
Ms. Turner: Yes.
Commissioner Lee: Do you feel like technology is keeping up with the different needs of the
visually impaired community and have you gotten a lot of support from tech companies or tech
folks to help train or develop technology that may be needed?
Ms. Turner: It’s booming and you know why? Baby Boomers. All those that are in technology
companies have realized that individuals want to do hands-free and they can’t always see their
phone. You don’t have to be blind in order to take advantage of some of the features that are out
there. Part of my job is to work with corporations that are technology companies and it’s a win,
win basis. What happens is that Microsoft, Facebook, they come to us and they ask me to put
them in touch with clients who are visually impaired. They bring out research as well as
prototypes. Our clients get a chance to test it and proved them feedback and you know what?
They pay us. For a non-profit, I can’t tell you I will run through hoops for that, so they pay me
for my time and they pay our clients.
Commissioner Lee: Thank you very much, Alice.
Ms. Turner: Done? I don’t want to do more time than I'm supposed too. Oh, can I tell them what
I gave them in terms of a handout?
Chair Stinger: Yes.
Ms. Turner: Ok so what you have is you have a brochure; we have a brochure in Spanish as well
as Chinese. On the inside of the brochure, you’re going to see a little plastic thing that has a hole
in the middle. That’s called a signature guide. I can’t tell you how many times that someone says
you need to sign here. Please, help me, where is here? What the signature guide does is you line
it up with the line and the person finds that little square and they are able to sign a document. I
give this to real estate agents, banks, every person that I come in contact with that may have
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people that’s visually impaired that they can serve. So, it is low tech but I tell you it’s a pretty
handy tool. I gave you our business card, my business card, as well as a brochure that
summarizes our programs and services.
Ms. Hudson: The large print part is what we actually give our clients because a little bitty tiny
business card is useless.
Vice Chair O’Nan: It’s not going to work.
Chair Stinger: Alice, Sharon, thank you very much.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes, thank you, thank you both.
Chair Stinger: And Cora.
Vice Chair O’Nan: And Cora.
Chair Stinger: I remember the Peninsula Center for – and
Ms. Turner: Still the same good services.
Chair Stinger: Well I just never realized even after all these years how extensive it was and I
loved your sentence; tell me what you want to do? We’ll help you get there.
Ms. Turner: Yes, thank you.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Thank you both for coming and for Cora too.
Ms. Turner: Yes, absolutely. She’s happy to answer questions as well but she needs kibble to do
that. Have a good rest of your evening.
Chair Stinger: We will.
3. Human Services Resources Allocation Process (HSRAP) Listening Forum –
Presentation by Downtown Streets Team
Chair Stinger: We’ll continue with our Listening Forum. I’d like to introduce Kyle from
Downtown Streets Team who does remarkable work and is incredibly patient. Thank you for
waiting and I appreciate your answering our question about what’s new? What are your new
challenges? What – how – tell us about it.
Mr. Kyle Morgan: Just to give you a brief background because I know I’m trying to make up
about an hour and a half here. The Downtown Streets Team was founded in 2005 in Palo Alto
with the goal of ending homelessness through the dignity of work. We believe that people have a
will and they want to end and change their own situation and we also believe that handouts don’t
help. So, we believe that by giving people a hand up and empowering them to change their lives,
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they will be more inclined to do so and be more prepared to be more self-sustainable in the
future. Our program is essentially a work experience program where people join our team by
coming to a success meeting that we have once every week at All Saints Church just around the
corner here at 1 pm on Thursdays. You’re all more than welcome to join us for that, it’s every
week. People come to our team though and they come to the meeting and they join the team.
Once they join the team they get a yellow shirt and then they volunteer in the community. So, we
work on beautification projects in partnership with the City of Palo Alto and the Department of
Public Works in cleaning up the downtown Palo Alto area and we also do outreach on the team.
So, volunteers can volunteer up to 20-hours per week and in return for their volunteer work they
get a stipend to cover basic needs like food, hygiene essentials and other needs that they might
have. They also get case management employment services so the real benefit to our team
members is that they have someone who can focus specifically on their employment goals and
their housing goals. Also, their legal goals or whatever else they might be working on.
Individuals can stay on our team for up to a year before we ask them to take a break. We also
have a ladder of success model in which individuals who are excelling through the program can
attend one of our leadership training and then moved into a management position where they
supervise a team of volunteers. Our team works seven days a week all through the clock. We
don’t generally work in the evening hours but we work early in the morning through the evening
time. We work in the garages in downtown Palo Alto along with the alleyways in the downtown
area on University, Hamilton, and Lytton. We also do some cleaning for DPW at the Page Mill
soccer fields and then we also run with the help of the HSRAP funding and thank you all for
helping to support us. We run the Food Closet in Palo Alto and the Food Closet is I would say
our first biggest impact program as far as impact is concerned. We effect or we are able to serve
about 200 or 400 unique individuals per month in the Food Closet. This last HSRAP contract is a
2-year contract and we were granted about $35,000 per year for extra Food Closet funding which
has been fantastic. The Food Closet generally doesn’t see a whole lot of fiscal donations. People
see Food Closets as a place that needs food and so they give foods and so a lot of our fiscal
responsibilities are often forgotten about by the community. It’s very important to us for
continued operations, to have this funding from the HSRAP Committee. I’m excited to announce
that we just received a $35,000 grant from the Sandy Hill Foundation for a complete remodel of
the Food Closet and so we’ll be conducting that within the next couple months. It really is due to
the extra funding that we received from the HSRAP Committee that we were able to focus on
something that the Food Closet needed but we otherwise wouldn’t have been able to do so we’re
very excited about that program. Another program that we run in Palo Alto is the North County
Alternative Services Center. A part of the HSRAP funding also funds half of a case manager for
that and they are all the North County Outreach Case Manager. They work with the Palo Alto
Review Court, the Palo Alto Police Department, and Palo Alto Probation and essentially what
happens is if someone picks up a non-violent case. They can be referred to Palo Alto Review
Court in which case they would be referred to either our case manages or another organization.
Instead of receiving jail time, they would then be able to get connected to mental health services,
housing services, the Downtown Streets Team or other services that can help them change their
situation. That’s the third program that we run in Palo Alto. I brought a couple of packets that I
was going to hand out but they’re both in very draft form so I’ll just talk about two other projects
that we’re currently working on outside of what I just mentioned. We just launched our pilot
program of a power washing team in Palo Alto. This is something that I’ve been working on for
about 9-months now and as a non-profit, when you work on something it generally means I’m
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trying to find funding for it. So, we finally found some funding for this project, we just received
a donation of two vans from Google. One of the vans will be used and retrofitted to be used in
this power washing program. The general outline of the power washing team is that I was sitting
in a business improvement district meeting and Phil’s Coffee was talking about the issues of
their sidewalks and the power washing issue. They are paying this much money to have their
sidewalk power washed once a week because the Department of Public Works can’t keep up
with it. Then looking into the code of the City, businesses are responsible for keeping the
sidewalk and if they have a patio they are responsible for keeping the sidewalk up to the curb
clean. DPW can’t keep up with that demand and most businesses they aren’t able to or they don’t
know that they have options. So, we saw an opportunity to develop a team that could help assist
businesses and alleviates some of the pressure on the Department of Public Works. Being the
non-profit that we are an economic development we have the ability to charge a fee for service.
We can create contracts with businesses to create revenue for the Downtown Streets Team to
also have our team of volunteers and go in and power wash. So, we did our first power wash
shift 3-weeks ago and we’re conducting another shift on Tuesday of next week. These are going
to be the first few shifts as we’re training the team and getting our proper training done and
everything kind of lined up. We’re going to be pro-bono for our partners but we intend to turn
this into a social enterprise. This is my business plan to basically take this program once it
becomes profitable and hire people at a living wage. The Downtown Streets Team, we’ve
attempted a social enterprise in the past called Cartman, The Cart with Heart. It was a coffee cart
at the Glass House in San Jose. We found out that coffee wasn’t very profitable and there are a
lot of things that made that very difficult. There wasn’t a lot of foot traffic; there were a lot of
things that were working against us on that. We believe that the power washing program is
something that will and can be profitable. Once it is we have a budget broken down of how to
pay people a living wage and how to expand throughout the Bay Area. So, this is something that
we’re very excited to be launching. My team is excited about it, I’m just enamored that it’s
happening, it’s fantastic. Another project that we’re working on and that has taken a back seat to
the power washing program is the Put Your Change to Work Project. This is a project in which
we have meters and initially, we were going to work with the business of Prema District and City
Hall to have the meters installed permanently throughout downtown Palo Alto. These meters are
branded with Downtown Streets Team logos and we would have marketing material basically to
curb panhandling. We’ve seen an uptick in panhandling in downtown Palo Alto. Our case
managers have done outreach to panhandlers in Palo Alto and we’ve seen an increase in the
number of individuals who aren’t interested in services and only interested in money. So, our
belief is that there’s not enough awareness in downtown Palo Alto about some services that are
offered. Not only to the individuals in needing and seeking services potentially but to the Palo
Alto residents and people who come here for business and work. This is a way to increase
awareness about services in the area. We are working with the City and the Business
Improvement District to build a mobile meter. The City would not endorse a permit meter being
stationed anywhere in Palo Alto for a couple of political reasons; one due to parking issues
already happening in Palo Alto which is reasonable right? So, we’re working right now on
creating a mobile meter and that has a few hurdles that we have to get over but we’ve also,
within the last 6-months, established our first ever Palo Alto Advisory Council. This is
something that we’ve done in order to increase our bandwidth in Palo Alto. We have currently
three active members and then we’re recruiting about six members actively right now and so
we’ll cap that group at about 12 but they’re helping with all of these projects that we’re currently
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working on. The last project that I’m working on and our team is working on is a mobile food
closet. This is something that I had written up with the grant for the Food Closet remodel but
only a portion of it got approved. We are fundraising for a vehicle to retrofit for a food closet that
we can partner with Dignity on Wheels and take into different communities. So, that we can take
food to people who wouldn’t otherwise have transportation to get there. So, that’s a very broad
overview of all the things that we’re working on but we’ve been building up a lot of steam
recently and I’m very excited about the things that we’re able to offer the community and our
clients.
Chair Stinger: Go ahead.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Oh, thank you, so a question that I have is that I know the Food Closet – I
think the business model for it had been a bit shaky for a while. There were some concerns about
its sustainability so can you comment on how things are shaping up since Downtown Streets
Team took over that?
Mr. Morgan: Yes, so the Food Closet was for a long time kind of the hot potato of the group
within the service providers I think in Palo Alto; you take it, you take it. We took over the Food
Closet operations in 2012 and you’re right, the financials behind the Food Closet have been
difficult. We are leveraging our partnership with All Saints Church to help with some of the rent
costs there and recently we’ve been employing a number of individuals in our development
department. So, we’re able to really turn the focus and let development focus specifically on
certain topics and certain programs and the Food Closet is one of those programs. It does take a
substantial amount of funding to run and the bandwidth of staff within Palo Alto is – it can be
limited on other programs that we’re already working on. So, one of the initiatives that we’re
currently working on is having more development which comes through our general funding to
help assist with overall program funding and more the Food Closet included in that.
Chair Stinger: Commissioner Kralik.
Commissioner Kralik: Kyle, you’re a wonderful speaker and you’re very passionate and you’re
putting a lot of energy into something that really matters and we appreciate that. I wondered if
you could just tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got interested in this area of work.
Mr. Morgan: Absolutely. I grew up from a small town in Kansas and so that doesn’t really mean
anything but I went to school in Colorado and I studied psychology. I was working a job as a
valet at a hotel and I really enjoined hospitality and working with people. So, I knew that was
something that I was passionate about but when I graduated I mainly decided that I should put
my degree to use. I moved out here for a job in residential care work in Morgan Hill and then
that not being a good fit I found a job with Downtown Streets Team which I have loved. In
college, though I was involved with a homeless ministry and we were basically every other
Thursday or every Thursday we go out and we would serve food to the homeless population. It
was through a lot of those experiences that I realized that there was so much more that I could be
doing to help the population in need. Giving food to people is great, giving people things that
they need is great, and part of the reason that a lot of people do that, including myself, is we give
things because it feels good to give things. It feels better to help people change their lives to
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where they can give to themselves instead of having to receive handouts. One of the reasons that
I’m in this industry is because I believe that the Downtown Streets Team offers the best model
for helping people change their lives without having to receive handouts.
Chair Stinger: I just wanted to comment that that – Downtown Streets Team hosted me when we
did our site visits last spring and I saw all of that passion. I’m going to ask a really specific
question which doesn’t reflect the excitement that I saw throughout. How much garbage do you
pick up in the streets? You talked about that when we walked.
Mr. Morgan: Yes, so every quarter or so we do a count of how much garbage we collect and it’s
a difficult thing to do actually because we could fill up 5-gallon buckets with all of our crews for
the week and then project that to the year. We could do it all the time but then you pack the trash
down or do you let it be fluffy and how do you do that? At that time, the last count that we did
we collected about 1,300 gallons of debris in a week in Palo Alto. Organization-wide when I
drafted this up, this power washing program business proposal up about 6-months ago, we had
helped over 821 people into housing, 755 people had obtained employment over 90-days, we had
1.9 million cigarette butts collected and recycled, 5.2 million gallons of debris removed from the
Bay Area agency-wide and so, our impact within the Bay Area is very great. We like to consider
our model a win, win, win in which we’re helping out team members, we’re helping the
environment and we’re helping the community.
Vice Chair O’Nan: I wanted to follow up with a question about the new Mobile Foot Closet. Can
you tell us what kinds of areas in the community you would serve with that?
Mr. Morgan: That is a good question and we haven’t fully developed our plan with that yet. It’s
in earlier stages and I’m uncomfortable talking about too much but we were looking at East Palo
Alto as a good target for the Mobile Food Closet program. One of the reasons for that is because
we see East Palo Alto ripe with opportunity. We think they're a lot of people there who are
underserved and we believe that we‘re posing by being in Palo Alto to help our neighbors. We
believe that a Mobile Food Closet would help us to expand outside of Palo Alto to San Mateo
County. Given the nature of the Food Closet, we also think that the Mobile Food Closet
specifically could be very flexible. One of the reasons that East Palo Alto would also be a target
is because Dignity On Wheels does a lot of work there and they would be one of our primary
partners for that campaign.
Vice Chair O’Nan: I wanted to mention that in some of my other work as a Commissioner; I
frequently come across seniors who are struggling with nutrition and nutritional issues. Many
seniors lack transportation or are very low income and so the Mobile Food Closet coming to
subsidize senior residences might be very welcome.
Mr. Morgan: That’s great input and that’s something that we’ll definitely do more research on,
thank you.
Commissioner Lee: I think it’s just great all the new things that DST is trying out, it seems very
entrepreneurial. You know we live in Silicon Valley and it seems like every week I look and you
guys are expanding to a new city in the Bay Area so that’s great. I was wondering, based on your
experience, what can the City of Palo Alto do to support that level of innovation and that
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entrepreneurial spirit to try out new models and new initiatives? What can we do to encourage
other agencies that we fund to adopt a similar approach and help them expand the scope of their
services?
Mr. Morgan: That’s a good question and I feel like a good answer would require us to also work
a lot harder. We’re doing a lot but I think I would encourage organizations within Palo Alto to
have a 5-year plan. I think I would encourage them to have a 10-year plan. I often ask myself
how we’re actually ending homelessness. What are we doing to end homelessness because our
program is one in which they’ll work itself and in saying that I open myself up to a lot of
vulnerability and our program up because it begs the question when will we end homelessness?
When will we help everyone? So, for me asking myself what is our 5-year plan, what is our 10-
year plan, it begs me to come up with tasks like this and programs like this. We have to be
innovative in order to reach our goal and one of the things that I would do is to ask organizations
to have and give you a detailed 5-year plan.
Commissioner Lee: It seems like funding is the biggest impediment to actually be getting a new
initiative off the ground? Is that…
Mr. Morgan: It is, yes, so again with the Food Closet remodel, we wouldn’t have been able to
ask for that without funding from the City. So, continued support from the City it’s paramount to
our success and I think teaming that along or tagging that along correctly with a 5-year plan or
something to help organizations think about how they should be expanding. I think all of us in
this room know that non-profits can get stuck in a way of thinking that we’re just trying to
survive and it important for non-profits to think like a business. Otherwise, their services are
being restricted based off funding from both city and private partners and I think it’s important. I
mean we’re blessed to be situated in a position where we can charge people for services and so
ideally, we would be able to cut off our funding. In the future, we’re trying to move away from
City funding so that we cannot be restricted to the areas that we go and to the work that we do
and to the people that we serve.
Commissioner Lee: Thank you very much.
Chair Stinger: Kyle – did you have…
Vice Chair O’Nan: No, no, I was just going to say that was great.
Chair Stinger: It was thank you.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Thank you for bearing with us.
Mr. Morgan: Oh absolutely.
Chair Stinger: I really appreciate it. I do want to again, thank you for the site visit. I learned a lot
and continue to learn a lot about what you’re doing. I think your idea for Strat. Plan and your
way to use it to move you forward is exactly what leads to your success. That’s great.
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Mr. Morgan: Thank you. Thank you all.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Thank you, good night.
Chair Stinger: Thank you so much.
Mr. Morgan: Yes, you’re welcome.
Chair Stinger: He’s got a commute ahead of him so I really appreciate you sticking around,
thank you very much.
Mr. Morgan: I need to get out of here.
Ms. van de Zwaag: We’re seeing him tomorrow at 9 am.
Chair Stinger: Oh.
Mr. Morgan: (inaudible – off mic)
4. Report back on Council’s decision on the Human Relation Commission’s
recommendation in response to Resolution #9653 – Reaffirming Palo Alto’s
Commitment to a Diverse, Supportive, Inclusive, and Protective Community.
Chair Stinger: Ok we’ve gone through some discussion, some educational items, now our work –
oh, not yet. I turn it over to Commissioner O’Nan.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Oh ok.
Chair Stinger: Item Four.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Item Four, so as you know in December 2016 the HRC received a
Referendum from Council to work on Resolutions to create a more diverse, supportive, inclusive,
and protective community. So, that work went on for quite some time and at the recent Council
meeting, when was that? It feels like a long time ago already.
Chair Stinger: October 1st.
Vice Chair O’Nan: September – yes, we appeared before Council to recommend that they adopt
staff’s recommendation regarding the first five items which involved immigration and
resettlement…
Chair Stinger: Religious freedom.
Vice Chair O’Nan: …religious freedom. Also, to referrer our Resolution regarding CEDAW to
Policy and Services Subcommittee for further investigation. That overall went well; Chair
Stinger was not able to appear so I read a letter from her in support of the staff recommendation.
Commissioner Lee appeared and also supported the staff recommendation. Council discussed it
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and there was a suggestion from Council Member Scharff that we amend the recommendation to
include a provision that would require Policy and Services to identify one or two high priority
areas and make meaningful progress on them within 1 or 2-years using existing resources. So,
there was some discussion around that on what existing resources would mean and whether it
would be too constraining and was amended slightly and it ended up being adopted by the City
Council. That measure will now be taken up by Policy and Services I think in the next couple of
months and from there they will be working with us and staff to develop I think the first couple
priorities to focus on to start moving the needle on gender equity. I think it was a really good
outcome for us and we will need to remain collaborators with our city leaders to make sure that
CEDAW continues to get the attention that it deserves and as we move forward in that process. It
could take some time but I think that if we take it incrementally step by step we will eventually
get there.
Chair Stinger: Thank you. Thank you for representing me, thank you for speaking
Commissioner Lee. Any discussion around that? Any update from staff?
Ms. van de Zwaag: No, it’s a point of ability to prepare the type of report that Policy and
Services want to see and being able to schedule on that calendar. So, that is what staff is looking
into at this point.
Chair Stinger: Appreciate that, thank you.
Commissioner Lee: Will you let us know when they have scheduled it?
Ms. van de Zwaag: I certainly will.
Commissioner Lee: Fantastic, thank you.
Ms. van de Zwaag: Of course.
5. Further Discussion on Commission Work Plans.
Chair Stinger: The next agenda item is to look at our potential projects, look at our Work Plan
for this fiscal year. I’m just going to go down the sheet and call for updates. I can say that the
first is recommendations to Council and we have finally completed that. I don’t see any further
action on that. I think it’s just important to remember that while we talk religious registries,
immigrants – no, I’m forgetting what we took to them. Immigrant…
Vice Chair O’Nan: Resettlement?
Chair Stinger: Not resettlement.
Ms. van de Zwaag: Refugee…
Chair Stinger: Refugee resettlement, immigrant policing, and CEDAW to them that the context
of our whole response to the resolution also included LGBTQ, other immigrant inclusion
activities, leadership activities, and community dialog. In terms of our recommendations to
Council, I see that agenda as finished. I will speak to gender identity; a draft report was
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completed this summer and a Committee which is Commissioner Kralik, Commissioner Lee and
myself are doing just some follow-up interviews to refine that. We’d like to present a refined
report to the HRC in November with the target of having a working summit probably mid-
November to mid-December, avoiding Thanksgiving holid ay. That would be a working group
that would basically be answering the questions where should the community put its effort? Who
can help us do that? What partners do we probe to move forward on that? A request of staff to do
that would be really minimal. Maybe some help with scheduling, getting a meeting room, coffee
service but we see it as a working meeting for an hour and a half, two meetings, with a
Committee that’s already in place from the city libraries and school libraries. Then we would
return to HRC in January with a report out. Commissioner Kralik, Lee, anything to add to that?
Commissioner Lee: I think as part of the interview process we may try to schedule visits with the
Billy DeFrank Community Center down in San Jose as well as the Pride Center up there to get a
sense of how those spaces provide values to their respective communities and how they got
started and what programming they offer. Just probe than for general thoughts as to things we
might do here in Palo Alto.
Commissioner Kralik: On September 27th I actually did meet with Kilani Louis who’s the
Community Outreach Coordinator with the Pride Center in San Mateo when it was part of a
training session of 90-minutes; which was a fascinating primer on LGBTQ rights and issues. He
did report on and I’m using that pronoun correctl y by the way, he did a report on those folks that
visit that center. I do think it’s worth a visit because it could be a model that we might want to
look too in our own community because it has been successful.
Chair Stinger: In carrying that vein forward I’m also working with the Commissioners in
Mountain View so that we might look for something that would serve North County with their
help. That would increase the viability and sustainability of the center.
Commissioner Lee: One thing that I might add since we’re on the topic is I attended the
BAYMEC brunch a couple weekends ago and they honored Supervisor Yaeger who was my
supervisor when I lived down in San Jose. It’s just the amazing the progress he has achieved for
the LGBTQ community since he started. He was a Council Member when I lived in San Jose
and then he got elected to the County Board when I went off to college. So, it is great to see the
tremendous progress that he’s done and it was sort of a motivation moment for me. Hopefully, as
a group, we can advance that even further here in Palo Alto.
Chair Stinger: That’s great, just moving along quickly, that is our statues from here until mid-
January. I’ll just say that looking at ethnicity and inclusive engagement in Palo Alto, there was a
Welcoming America Week mid-September and the Palo Alto Y is doing us a report now on the
activities and the success. I think it was a good event for the first year, clearly things we want to
mimic in the second year and also some areas where we can improve. Our involvement in that is
also completed. Welcome, Packet – really…
Ms. van de Zwaag: Can I add something to the Welcome Packet?
Chair Stinger: Sure.
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Ms. van de Zwaag: I haven’t posted it yet but now we have the welcome letter translated into at
least five languages, so that will be on the City’s website.
Commissioner Lee: Do you happen to recall what languages?
Ms. van de Zwaag: I’m trying to remember because I’ve been so busy it’s Spanish, I know we
have Mandarin, I believe we have Korean, and those are the only ones I could say but my contact
the Chamber translated it into four languages. I thought it was Russian, Korean, Chinese, and
maybe another Asian language. It might have been Japanese but we do have it in Spanish. If
there’s other suggestion and you have other connections to do so please let me know but when
we reposted I think we’ll have it at least in six languages.
Commissioner Lee: Fantastic.
Ms. van de Zwaag: This is just Phase One of a Welcome Packet so people have lots of
suggestions about it but this was something we did fairly quickly and we know it is kind of like
the A Version. Then it will continue to get a deeper and better, so please keep that in mind.
Chair Stinger: Just expanding on the next line item, intro to civic engagement, you’ll see in the
packet of letters I was approached by Palo Alto ESL classes in the Adult Education Program to
do a course in civic engagement, voting. It was like that was a little more than I wanted to take
on but I did identify some women who are doing voter registration and there’s a chance that they
would be speaking at a conversation class on an evening or a Saturday. So, we’re trying to
schedule that to encourage people as they practice their language skills to learn more about
voting and how to vote, how to register, and what the issues are. I will report back if that is
successful. I’ll turn it over to Pastor Smith; can you report on engaging the aging constituencies?
Have you had any meetings?
Commissioner Smith: I did not have any meetings this month since I was in New York dealing
with a family illness with my father so I’ve gone three of the past four weeks. No report today.
Chair Stinger: If we could have a report out next time at least to block out sometimes for our
involved, staff involvement, that’d be super.
Ms. van de Zwaag: Let me add something, the request from Commissioner Smith last time was
to get suggestions for community conversation. I’m sorry, I’m speaking too early.
Commissioner Smith: (inaudible – off mic)
Ms. van de Zwaag: That’s right, that’s what I was going to say.
Commissioner Smith: (inaudible – off mic)
Ms. van de Zwaag: Ok.
Chair Stinger: Gender equity, thank you, we’ve had the update thank you to Council. ADA
standards? That’s a research project on your end.
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Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes, we haven’t made a huge amount of progress on that project yet. I have
been meeting with the Council on or the subcommittee on Aging – Age Friendly Council?
Ms. van de Zwaag: Age-Friendly Palo Alto Committee.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Age-Friendly Palo Alto Committee and we did host a phone on aging last
weekend which went very well. I think I need to work with Minka to set up a time to meet with
Kristin O’Kane and then kick off my disability project.
Chair Stinger: I just want to reemphasize what we’ve said in the past, I just think that this is a
really good model for us. To have somebody do the groundwork and really identify the needs
and the opportunities and then set up a Committee to go forward should we choose to? It gives us
a chance to say up or down and what kind of effort. I’m going to continue to move through to
fostering community conversation. I understand where the monitoring is – you have to wait for a
response but Pastor Smith – Commissioner Smith community conversations?
Commissioner Smith: We did ask at our last meeting if any other Commissioners had
recommendations to send them in. Staff sent out a request, we didn’t hear anything else back so
we’ll move forward this month with our plan.
Chair Stinger: Sounds good. HSRAP will be coming up in the New Year I think; any other
comments? I’m ready to keep us moving if there are no other comments.
V. Reports from Officials
1. Commissioner Reports
Chair Stinger: We’ll go to Commissioner Reports, any activities in the month - two people have
already commented. Any other Commissioner reports? Can I hear more about the senior film?
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes, so the senior film was shown at Channing House, it was called Lives
Well Lived and Commissioner Xue was also there with his wife. What was really amazing about
this event was that the filmmaker herself was there and to talk about how she made the film and
why she made the film. The film actually featured her own grandmother who passed away
shortly after the film was completed but the people featured in the film ranged in age from about
76 to over 100-years old. They were all vital, active people who talked about they lived fulfilled
lives at their age. It was very striking that many of them had experience severe trauma as
younger people. Many of them had lived through World War II and had been in very difficult,
traumatic situations. Loss of family members, loss of homeland, having to immigrant under the
worst possible circumstance being refugees and yet they had all found happiness in their later
lives; had found partners; had raised families; had fulfilling careers; they were artists; they were
sculptures; they were musicians; they were just fascinating people. So, the filmmaker was
inspired by her grandmother who was an Italian woman who had come to the United States who
loved to cook and never wrote any of her recipes down. So, her granddaughter has wanted to
film her and from that small beginning, it morphed into this whole project. The audience was
very responsive, we spent a lot of time chatting with the filmmaker afterward asking her
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questions about the subjects in her film, also her own experience with making the film. She’s
actually a photography teacher so she doesn’t normally make documentary films so it was an
experimental art form for her as well. She really encouraged other people who might want to be
documentarians to not be afraid of the medium and she also encouraged us if we knew older
people who were living fulfilled lives that we could contact her at her website to share those
stories as well. So, it was just very interesting and a very interactive way to see a film instead of
the passive way that we so often watch – consumer entertainment. It was just much more
entertaining because it was interactive and we had the filmmaker right there in front of us.
Channing House was lovely, very gracious, it went very, very well I thought and so I’m looking
forward to helping the Age Friend Palo Alto Committee work on other similar projects and do
more outreach.
Commissioner Lee: Would you be able to send around the website through Minka?
Vice Chair O’Nan: Oh, I don’t know if I have the website.
Ms. van de Zwaag: I’d be happy to do that, I’ll write that down.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes, I think…
Commissioner Lee: Great.
Commissioner Xue: So, I…
Chair Stinger: Please, Commissioner.
Commissioner Xue: Remember we had the Palo Alto Welcome Week and I participated in a few
activities. A specific activity that I would like to share among us is the self-guided walk.
Actually, that’s not a loop, when they mentioned about 45-minutes, it’s not about 45-minutes.
So, from the Art Center and walk to here, how could we get back?
Ms. van de Zwaag: Ah ha.
Commissioner Xue: That was my suggestion so next time to make the loop. So, it’s amazing to
see those landmarks but once we got here and both my wife and I we were…
Ms. van de Zwaag: You hitchhike back.
Commissioner Xue: Yes so basically how could…
Commissioner Smith: So, you Uber back.
Commissioner Xue: We walked back so seriously I mean that’s a wonderful experience and both
of my wife and I enjoyed walking. We take a walk every day for an hour for us so it is no big
deal but for many, it would be very challenging if you didn’t realize how to get back. So,
typically it would be a loop and much nicer.
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Chair Stinger: I did the same thing only I did it on a hot day and I got downtown and I thought
I’m going to die. It was time for a huge lemonade for in the middle of this walk.
Commissioner Xue: Yes so that’s the only thing I want to share with us but I participated in at
least four activities. You know I feel our City is a really wonderful place to live, so welcoming,
so everybody is so friendly. I mean you can feel it’s different, I’m proud to be here.
Chair Stinger: We’re proud to have you thank you.
Commissioner Xue: Oh, can I just one…
Chair Stinger: Please.
Commissioner Xue: Very short, from the movie what I remember really well is think young…
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes.
Commissioner Xue: …act young, and feel young. So, it really hit my heart so basically, that’s
where I should start.
Chair Stinger: Well I was out most of this month and so I have nothing in the past to report but I
do have some things going forward. One thing today, October 11, is National Coming Out Day
and it was an opportunity to encourage people to come out and particularly allies to come out to
come out as allies. The suggestion was to wear rainbow color which I clearly don’t own but I
still would like to come out as an ally and I think we’re doing that in our Commission. October
16th, I have a note from Monique le Conge Ziesenhenne, there’s a program on immigration and
journalism at San Jose State University. It’s a speaker, Sonia Nazario who she has heard before
and that’s October 16th, 6-8 pm in the evening. She encouraged us to listen to an excellent
speaker. A reminder that October 24th is Commissioner Recognition, I hope I see you all next
week. Those are always fun and October 27th a program on parenting that Philip Rey is doing.
Ms. van de Zwaag: Yes.
Chair Stinger: I think that’s a result of…
Ms. van de Zwaag: I think for parents of teenagers.
Chair Stinger: I’m sorry.
Ms. van de Zwaag: Yes.
Chair Stinger: You’re right, parents of teenagers. Those are the notes that I have.
2. Council Liaison Report
No Council liaison report.
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3. Staff Liaison Report
Chair Stinger: I’ll move to Staff report.
Ms. van de Zwaag: The only thing that I had is for the new Commissioners we have a fund called
the Emerging Needs Fund. That is money that we get annually from Council to help agencies in
the community that might have an emergency need or an emerging need. So, it’s been a year
since we’ve gotten an application but I’ve gotten an inquiry that I believe will lead to an
application. I don’t want to say the agency’s name but there is a role of review from the
Commission for recommending -- let me go back. Review of the application is done by the
Human Relations Commission and their recommendation is given to a representative of the City
Manager’s staff. I need at least two people to review it. It is one page long; this is a mini-
application where they ask six questions. It’s probably would take you 5 to 10 minutes to read,
probably 5-minutes and probably at most an hour meeting to review. I mean to come together to
review and then that recommendation goes onto the City Manager. Last time we had two folks, I
think it’s probably better to have three folks because I think last time there was a difference of an
opinion. Then there was yet another difference of opinion when it went to the next step up.
Commissioner Lee: Wasn’t there as a staff person who made it three? Wasn’t it you
Ms. van de Zwaag: No, I was there but I’m a non-voting…
Vice Chair O’Nan: Marina, Marina was there and she…
Ms. van de Zwaag: Oh, was she – oh you’re right, thank you.
Commissioner Lee: Yes because it was 2-1 and then we…
Ms. van de Zwaag: See this proves that it’s been a year, so I will look into that. Yes, I think there
was a staff member from my department other than myself. So, thank you, Commissioner Lee,
that is helpful.
Commissioner Lee: I was the minority in that one.
Ms. van de Zwaag: Yes, I think you two remember that for a very similar reason so we don’t
need to go there. So, I would like to request a volunteer effort of two of you then, in all reality –
thank you, gentlemen.
Commissioner Smith: As long as we leave as friends.
Commissioner Lee: (inaudible – off mic)
Ms. van de Zwaag: I – yes , like I said I haven’t seen the application. I – it’s an emergency need
so that means they had to write permission to actually turn in an application. So, I got it today so
I haven’t really looked at it but I wanted to take advantage of this meeting to be able to look at
that. We can have a discussion on schedules another time, thank you, gentlemen.
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Chair Stinger: Is there anything else Minka? I just want to be sure before I move.
Ms. van de Zwaag: Not that’s it.
Chair Stinger: We’ll go back to Commissioner Reports and do it.
Commissioner Smith: Oh ok, I thought we got past it already.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes, we did we passed it already.
Commissioner Smith: Oh, ok.
Vice Chair O’Nan: You want to go back to it?
Chair Stinger: Go – if you have a short statement about it…
Commissioner Smith: I wasn’t even there for the entire thing. I was only…
Ms. van de Zwaag: No, he was asking about it.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Alright, I…
Chair Stinger: Oh, I’m sorry, my mistake, my misunderstanding.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Yes ok so the Palo Alto Police Department led by our new Chief Johnson has
formed a Citizen Advisory Group, CAG, and this is our revival of a format that we had in the
past but got cut back due to staffing limitations at the police department. Chief Johnson who
joined the department 9-months ago once to reinvigorate this program so he’s relaunched it but
on a fairly wide scale and there were quite a few people who volunteered to serve as part of this
Community Advisory Group. They come from all parts of Palo Alto and they met for the first
time for sort of a meet and greet at Mitchell Park Community Center last night. So,
Commissioner Smith was there for part of the time, I was there for the full even and so was Chair
Stinger. We were asked not to participate directly in the group, we just simply wanted to
understand it, see the setup, see how many people were going to participate and it was a huge
turnout. I was very impressed with their recruitment effort. So, the Chief has asked the group to
subdivide by neighborhood into I think five or six different subgroups and he would like a
member from each subgroup to always be present at every meeting even though realistically not
everybody will be able to attend every meeting. He has three particular things that he would like
the group to advise the PAPD on. One was the body camera issue that had come before the HRC,
one was…
Chair Stinger: Traffic control.
Vice Chair O’Nan: Traffic control in their neighborhoods and one was to participate in
cultivating compassion training, CCT training, which is a form of mindfulness which was
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launched at Stanford and that he’s urged his police officers to also undertake. So, they have three
things that they are going to launch in January. In the mean time, they’re still setting up and
organizing but they did a very good job launching it last night. I think from here on out probably
HRC will not really attend the meetings because they are not really a public government type
meeting. It’s more of a closed meeting but me, as Liaison to the police department and
Commissioner Smith who’s my alternate; we can meet with the Chief on say a quarterly basis
and get updates on what the group is doing. If the HRC does need to or want to become more
involved we can certainly go there depending on what direction the advisory group takes.
Chair Stinger: I would just think that to follow up on that and an important conversation for the
two liaisons to have as to what our role would be to going forward since he does have a very
large, comprehensive citizen advisory group.
[the Commission moved back down to tentative agenda topics]
VI. TENTATIVE AGENDA FOR NEXT REGULAR MEETING: Thursday, October 11,
2018.
Chair Stinger: Then I’ll ask for agenda items for the November meeting.
Commissioner Lee: So, I…
Ms. van de Zwaag: Can Staff indicate what we already have…
Chair Stinger: Yes.
Ms. van de Zwaag: …tentatively?
Chair Stinger: Yes, please.
Ms. van de Zwaag: Go ahead.
Commissioner Smith: Can we get a report on the police event last night?
Ms. van de Zwaag: Oh, I wasn’t there.
[the Commission moved back up to Commissioner reports]
Chair Stinger: Moving onto the tentative agenda for November. What we have so far is…
Ms. van de Zwaag: Oh, that’s me and I think I just put my piece of paper away. Ok, so we have a
presentation by the Palo Alto Unified School District thanks to the idea of Commissioners Smith
and Lee about their RISE Committee. That is a Committee that is working on gender inclusion,
please help me if I’m not saying this correctly… go ahead.
Chair Stinger: My understanding was – well, maybe back up, rightly, or wrongly Commissioner
Lee has suggested that we follow up with some of the recent headlines…
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Ms. van de Zwaag: Correct.
Chair Stinger: … and show some support for particularly Professor Ford the women that
associated with her and some of the events. Rightly or wrongly as I said, my reaction was I’d like
to do something that had more depth and study for us so that we could learn something about our
community, what we’re doing going forward, and some of the challenges. Then you wisely
identified the RISE group and they are working so diligently to improve the education for teens
in what’s acceptable behavior and unacceptable behavior and giving them a venue for change.
Commissioner Lee: In specific regards to sort of the sexual harassment cases and just the culture
around those issues both in the schools and in the community.
Ms. van de Zwaag: Right so Deputy Superintendent Hendricks is coming; also she is trying to
get other members of her staff. Possibly her…
Commissioner Lee: As a task force?
Ms. van de Zwaag: Members of the RISE Task Force, maybe we Wellness staff and other staff to
come, so I think they’re going to bring a really rich conversation. Abilities United – next month
is the last month for our HSRAP learning series so Abilities United would like to come. We have
to discuss the results of the HSRAP Human Services Needs Assessment which affects the setting
of the priority of needs. I heard the Chair report back from the LGBT Committee. We also heard
today when we did a site visit at YCS, they would like to come but I’m concerned with the four
other items because no one else responded other than the agencies you’ve seen tonight, Abilities
United and YCS, that they wanted to come. So, I would suggest then maybe just saying to YCS
we have a short December meeting, inviting them to come in December or January and limiting
the agenda depending on what other folks have or maybe have left unsaid. That seems like a
really full agenda already.
Chair Stinger: It does seem full. We also, I think have a request from the Art Center for their
proposal.
Ms. van de Zwaag: We’d have to see. At this point I’m really – as staff I’m really looking at the
necessity to come and when. So, looking to past commitments I think Abilities United contacted
us quite a while when I first sent out the request again, so I would feel committed to them. I feel
committed to the RISE, the HSRAP Priority of Needs has to meet. Then I would just say if the
LGBTQ is completely ready to come at that time or if it should come – I’m concerned December
because then we have a short meeting, it gets to January, so I think that is fine. The Art Center,
unless they have to come, I would put them off…
Chair Stinger: I’ll forward you the email they wanted to give us a proposal.
Ms. van de Zwaag: That would be my concern for your time.
Chair Stinger: If we need to we’ll take the LGBTQ in December. They had a proposal they
wanted our endorsement of for…
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Ms. van de Zwaag: I’ll look to the advice of the people on that sub-committee.
Chair Stinger: Ok.
Commissioner Lee: With regards to the HSRAP Priority of Needs, would that be a good
opportunity if the Commission wanted to discuss not revisions but additions to the application
processes before those get released?
Ms. van de Zwaag: To the HSRAP application?
Commissioner Lee: For HSRAP and CDBG? When do those get…
Ms. van de Zwaag: CDBG, I heard from them and they checked with the Planning Director and
they made the decision that they want to keep the Palo Alto application the same as other
regional CDBG applications. Also, the timing would really be too late to make any additions and
the HRC really doesn’t have the actual authority to do so. So, they took the suggestion and they
looked into possibilities. With HSRAP I would say yes and no, I – my concern would be is if we
have to get that RFP out by –95 percent of the HSRAP application is required by our Purchasing
Department because it’s a purchasing process. So, as far as what we ask there’s very little
leeway. I think what would be help…
Commissioner Lee: In terms of removing things or could we add things?
Ms. van de Zwaag: There are some things that we could definitely add, I’m just trying to think of
timing and if that might be best to ask those on the HSRAP subcommittee. That’s what we’ve
done in the past saying here’s our draft. Mary and I have almost completed a draft; we want to do
some changes to two of the pages. Those are really the pages that we have some lee-way and
could probably commit to having that done in the next week or so then sending that to the
HSRAP subcommittee and have those members give suggestions back. I would say I would be
willing for any Commissioner who is just not on that if you want to send me just abstractly ideas.
As far as having a full discussion on that – because usually our full discussions ends up with
those are some good ideas, come back again. I don’t have the luxury to come back in December
again but I’m willing to take ideas but I think I’d really like to leave it for the subcommittee to
do any kind of deep dive if they so choose when I send it out.
Commissioner Lee: So when should we send those abstract questions to you by…
Ms. van de Zwaag: You can send those to me as soon as you’d like.
Commissioner Lee: When’s the deadline to send them?
Chair Stinger: Yesterday.
Commissioner Smith: Tomorrow.
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Ms. van de Zwaag: I’d say within the next 10-days…
Commissioner Lee: Next 10-days, ok.
Ms. van de Zwaag: …should be fine but like I said the majority of what’s on there is purchasing
because we’ve tried to change things in the past and we have not been able to.
Commissioner Lee: I mean this is…
Chair Stinger: Something that I might want to consider – excuse me for just a second – is maybe
not changing the questions that we print or that we send in the application because some agencies
– it would be a task to change the policy. We could put together interview questions and be more
vigorous about…
Ms. van de Zwaag: Actually, for the RFP we’re only allowed to ask questions that are follow up
questions based on the information that’s on their application. So, when we review it, we look at
what they’ve written and then we’d say this is a little confusing, can you please clarify or you
weren’t clear enough.
Commissioner Lee: Ask new questions or…
Ms. van de Zwaag: We can’t just ask new questions that aren’t based on a follow-up. Thank you
for …
Commissioner Smith: So, we don’t get the RFP questions right we can’t ask questions…
Ms. van de Zwaag: So, if something is logical like you got that and you saw that it’s logical to
ask a follow-up question. If it’s a totally left field question and we’re basing our funding may be
on what that left field question is and we haven’t asked every grantee that question and you make
your decision going oh, I really liked their answer to that. It helped me understand that a little bit
better and we haven’t asked everybody that question that poses a problem. We’ll also have to
realize that what they are being asked to do by our Purchasing Department is extensive so we
don’t want to make it so burdensome for them.
Commissioner Lee: This is sort of why I’ve been asking about this the last couple months in
terms of when would be the appropriate time to do it because I don’t want us to miss the
opportunity to ask the questions that we’re interested in, in getting answered. Our ability to ask
those questions may be limited or those agencies ability to actually put together the information
in response to those questions…
Ms. van de Zwaag: I hear you.
Commissioner Lee: … may be limited and I wanted to give them…
Ms. van de Zwaag: Why don’t we do this, if you want to send them to me in the next 10-days? If
I feel, and sorry for the analogy, but I feel that they’re so left field that it's not already included or
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doesn’t make sense for something I was thinking anyway, I might run those by the sub-
committee but I will take a first pass at all of them.
Commissioner Lee: I appreciate that.
Ms. van de Zwaag: That will be my due diligence to you.
Commissioner Smith: Thank you.
Commissioner Lee: Another thing that is required to be on the agenda, I believe when we elected
Chair and Vice Chair last time we said that was for 6-months and so that is coming up in
November.
Ms. van de Zwaag: I think when we did the math we thought January/February when I did it. We
were aligning with Council so…
Commissioner Lee: Oh, so it was not a 6-month thing, it was with Council?
Ms. van de Zwaag: My understanding is when we did it, that we would come back either in
January/February.
Commissioner Lee: Ok.
Ms. van de Zwaag: That we’d – yes, that we’d align with when the change in Council does and
when the change in leadership for the other Community Service Department Commissioners
happen. They all align those with those changes in Council too.
Commissioner Lee: Ok.
Chair Stinger: I think that brings us to item number seven, good evening. We are adjourned.
Commissioner Kralik: Thanks so much, thank you.
VII. ADJOURNMENT
Meeting adjourned at 10:03 p.m.