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Regular Meeting
October 17, 2023
The Finance Committee of the City of Palo Alto met on this date in the Community Meeting
Room and by virtual teleconference at 5:34 PM.
Present In Person: Burt, Lythcott-Haims, Stone
Present Remotely: None
Absent: None
Chair Pat Burt convened the meeting.
Assistant City Clerk Vinh Nguyen called roll and noted three were present.
Public Comment
Mark Grossman represented 350 Silicon Valley, which he was an organizer with. He spoke of a
sustainability principle having been added to the investment principles. He opined it may need
updating, which he detailed. He provided some handouts related to fossil fuel infrastructure
being invested in by large banks. He asked the Committee and City Council to consider putting
guidance on where CDs would be held and that consideration be given to the City changing to
sustainable banks.
Action Items
1. Printing Services Review of Alternative Service Delivery (Finance Committee Referral) –
CEQA Status - not a project.
Assistant Director David Ramberg displayed slides and provided some background related to
services and costs. He noted that Slide 3 should reflect an FTE of 2.1, not 2.5, related to the
print & mail shop. He provided pictures of the print shop space at City Hall. He discussed the
varieties of print jobs they did. He furnished a slide with the summary of the proposals, and the
table was also in the Staff Report. He highlighted that they had seen a broad range of costs and
vendors bidding in different ways, which had been hard to reconcile across all the City’s printing
needs. The City’s cost of about $1.1M was within the market range. Many vendors had multiday
turnaround times or an extra cost for quicker turnaround. They had contacted other cities for
information related to how they handled their printing needs, and in most cases printing
services were contracted out, but in some cases they also had staff on site. Smaller cities
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usually contracted out 100%. The city closest to Palo Alto for comparison purposes was
Mountain View, which had a full-time equivalent and one hourly staff person, which was
supported by about $500K in external printing contracts and was in the range of Palo Alto’s
cost, but an important differentiator for Palo Alto was utilities being a high demand, which
Mountain View and the other cities did not have. Staff recommended the services remain in
house, which would allow the core function of servicing customer departments with quick
turnaround, maximum flexibility, and good customer service. They City used about 10% to 15%
outside contracts for specialized or higher demand jobs that the City needed extra bandwidth
for, and that semi-hybrid approach would remain in place. They hoped to fully staff the print
shop, which had not been done for a while, to bring it up to a one-stop shop. They would
encourage departments to come to the print shop for all their needs, and if something needed
to be sent out, they might do that for them. They had one additional recruitment to do, and
they would look through the recruitment to potentially bring in additional print experience. He
stated that the RFP process would be cancelled and there would be no reward. Staff would
report out on the status within 12 to 18 months see how they were tracking with the goals. He
pointed out that the Committee and Council could direct staff to do a new RFP.
Public Comments
There were no requests to speak.
Council Member Lythcott-Haims was inclined to support the Staff Report. She voiced that the
cost seemed in line. She supported the opportunity for City employment opportunities. The
print-and-mail nexus made sense to her. She asked why the referral was made.
Assistant Director Ramberg thought an across-the-board review of potential cost savings was
being done. Over time there had been review of similar type services for opportunities to
contract out, and this deserved to be looked at.
Vice Mayor Stone supported the staff recommendation. He had been impressed by the services
at the City level. He felt there would not be much savings by outsourcing and that it could be
worse. He suggested exploring options in 12 or 18 months. He asked if the City would be saving
$1.1M if the in-house printing services were removed.
Assistant Director Ramberg answered that there was a sharing of the resources. On the mailing
side, the line item in the budget for postage was about $300K, so if the $1.1M were removed,
the postage cost would remain. They would need at least 0.5 to 0.75 to 1 FTE to continue to run
the mailing shop, so probably in the range of $500K would be needed for service of mailing. In
that case, they would not have the benefit of staff flexibility that can flex one side or the other
depending on demand. They currently had that backup with staff, so they would be lean on the
mailing side, but it could be done.
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Chair Burt asked if the City outsourced if there would be cost associated with the outsourcing
process itself; why the proposal of $400K was so much lower than others and to what extent it
included an understanding of all the expedited printing that may frequently be needed; if the
low-end bidder was local; if the bidders provided a living wage; if the shops were unionized;
and if services were retained in house, if that would change the cost structure.
Assistant Director Ramberg had not estimated cost associated with the outsourcing process
itself. There were costs they could not articulate or provide details on, and there were also
benefits they could not capture. Outsourcing would also be a changed management concern or
exercise that would accompany it as far as departments requesting services, etc. The
outsourcing exercise itself would have a cost. Regarding the proposals, there were different
omissions. They had sent out a multiple page line-item sheet and had asked vendors to provide
their not-to-exceed annual amount for each item. He remembered that Vendor 1 had omitted
some very large big-ticket items, which appeared to be unintentional. Of the other vendors,
some included such and some at vastly higher levels, so staff was not sure how the vendors had
interpreted it. He did not know if the bidders provided a living wage. The vendors were not
within the City of Palo Alto. If services were to be retained in house, it would not change the
cost structure. He noted that although they had not been staffed at the full 2.1 FTE, it was
reflected in the budget.
Administrative Services Director/Chief Financial Officer Nose commented that the RFP did not
require the vendors to report whether their shops were unionized. It required the organizations
to follow minimum wage laws but not living wage laws. They did not have the class-specific
hourly rates, but staff had gotten more sophisticated related to that as they were looking at
outsourcing activities. When rush charges were added for Service Provider 1, that indicated a
roughly $900K to $1M cost because there would be a surcharge, and staff estimated that the
City would incur a significant component of those charges.
Chair Burt asked if operations had been at a little lower cost than $1.1M. He inquired if staff
had been asked for suggestions related to increasing revenue or decreasing cost through
efficiencies.
Assistant Director Ramberg answered that they had been operating very lean from a staffing
perspective, which had resulted in a lower cost.
Administrative Services Director/Chief Financial Officer Nose expressed that they had been
relying on significant hourly resources, so they did not feel it was appropriate take suggestions
from that staff concerning increasing revenue or decreasing cost and that the staffing needed
to be stabilized before requesting such from them. The reason they had the 12- to 18-month
recommendation was because they expected to review printing needs in a post COVID/endemic
world and to look at operations with full-time staffing and dedicated resources and if changed
management could be done.
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Chair Burt appreciated there may be a different and more valuable feedback from those other
than hourly employees, but he encouraged there be input solicited from the existing staff even
if there may be no responses or no valuable responses. He noted that, personally, his company
had moved away from receiving efficiency insights from management and that that helped the
line workers’ commitment to their jobs because they felt valued. He queried if there was a
sense of the utilization rate of capacity and if there were opportunities for the City to be a
provider for other agencies. He was not inclined to go in that direction, but there may be
opportunities to fill some gaps. He questioned if there were any significant capital needs
anticipated if services remain in house for a few years. He assumed major capital investments
would be deferred. From a sustainability perspective, he asked if there were policies on using
recycled paper and if it would meet quality needs.
Assistant Director Ramberg replied that they had not explored opportunities for the City to be a
provider for other agencies for this service. He noted that 10+ years ago the City provided IT
services for other cities, so staff had a little experience along those lines. They found it
challenging from a cost perspective under that scenario, but it could be considered again.
Regarding anticipated capital needs, they had not been holding off purchasing major
equipment. A renewal with the primary provider, Xerox, was coming up, so Council would
probably see a renewal coming up. There was a City policy for using recycled paper. He could
not recall the required percentage.
Administrative Services Director/Chief Financial Officer Kiely Nose stated, related to anticipated
capital needs, she thought Public Works was looking for physical space in City Hall and how that
would be allocated and used, and the print shop footprint would be included in that. The space
had not yet been improved, and she explained why.
Accounting Specialist Jesus Lopez-Olivares noted that they used to use 100% recycled, 24-
pound Staples’ paper, which had been discontinued, so now 50% recycled, 22-pound paper was
used for all common copies unless specialized paper was specified.
Council Member Lythcott-Haims was grateful for being provided printed packets.
MOTION: Council Member Lythcott-Haims moved, seconded by Vice Mayor Stone to
recommend the City Council to direct staff to:
1. Close the RFP process and keep in-house Print Shop services supplemented with
contracts, which continues core printing services to departments, maximum flexibility,
customer service and quick turnaround
2. Add outside contracts for added capacity during high demand and special printing needs
and managed by the Print Shop for “one-stop shop”
3. Bolster Print Shop with additional printing and design skills/abilities to increase value to
departments
a. Recruit for printing experience
4. RFP process would be cancelled with no award
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5. Report out status within 18 months
MOTION PASSED: 3-0
Future Meetings and Agendas
Assistant City Manager Kiely Nose noted the Finance Committee was to have three more
meetings this calendar year – November 7, November 28, and December 5. On November 7,
there would be discussion of the FTTP project, which coincided with the Grid Modernization
Project as well as the Electric Resource Integrated Plan. On November 28, the ACFR for FY2023
and the final audit results would be reviewed. On December 5, FY2025 financial plans would be
examined.
Council Member Lythcott-Haims asked the planned duration of the November 28th meeting.
Administrative Services Director/Chief Financial Officer Nose expected the meeting to be
approximately two hours.
Chair Burt voiced that the meeting could be less than two hours.
Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 6:10 P.M.