HomeMy WebLinkAbout2023-09-19 Finance Committee Summary MinutesFINANCE COMMITTEE
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 1 of 12
Regular Meeting
September 19, 2023
The Finance Committee of the City of Palo Alto met on this date in the Community Meeting
Room and by virtual teleconference at 5:30 PM.
Present In Person: Burt, Lythcott-Haims, Stone
Present Remotely: None
Absent: None
Chair Burt called the meeting to order.
Assistant City Clerk Vinh Nguyen called roll and noted there was a quorum.
Public Comments
There were no requests to speak.
Action Items
1. Recommend the Finance Committee Recommend the City Council Approve Three Contracts
for: 1) a Five-year Contract with BrightView Landscape Services, Inc., in the Amount of
$12,288,093 for Landscape Maintenance Services; 2) a Five-year Contract with Gachina
Landscape Management, Inc., in the Amount of $516,740 for Landscape Maintenance
Services; and 3) a Five-year Contract with Grassroots Ecology in the Amount of $529,459 for
Specification for Habitat Restoration in Foothills Nature Preserve and Adobe Creek
Pedestrian Bridge Native Plant Restoration; Approval of Contract Amendment No. 2 to
Contract C18170810A with BrightView Landscape Services, Inc. to increase the Not to
Exceed amount by $75,152 to provide weekend services for a three-month contract
extension; and Approval of Budget Amendments in Multiple Funds (2/3 vote required);
CEQA status - Categorically exempt per regulation 15301 (existing facilities) and 15304
(minor alterations).
Community Services Assistant Director Darren Anderson announced that Parks Superintendent
Lam Do would be presenting and that Community Services Department Mark Ribeiro was
online to answer specific questions related to the BrightView contract, which he managed. He
provided slides and discussed the City having conducted an organizational review in 1993. He
noted that the Purchasing Department and the Community Services Department had put out an
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 2 of 12
Finance Committee Meeting
Summary Minutes: 9/19/2023
RFP seeking contractors to provide services under a five-year contract, and they had received
four proposals.
Parks Superintendent Lam Do voiced that staff proposed three separate contracts be awarded
of the four proposals. He displayed slides and discussed details of the three contracts. He noted
there was an error in the Staff Report in that it did not list how the proposals had been rated
and scored, but it had been based on cost proposal, experience, equipment, and quality
proposal. He commented that the overall cost of the five-year contracts had more than doubled
for landscape maintenance and habitat restoration. He outlined the factors contributing to the
higher cost, which included additional maintenance sites, phasing out of glyphosate, services
being added on weekends at 23 sites, increasing staffing level and materials, and material and
labor cost increases. He specified that new and upcoming City projects were being added to the
services, which included the Sherman Parking Garage, the Public Safety building, the Boulware
Park expansion, and the Adobe Creek Pedestrian/Bicycle Bridge. He discussed the phasing out
of glyphosate. He spoke of the City prescribing the quantities of materials, such as soil, seed,
and fertilizer, in the contract with BrightView, which helped the renovation process. He voiced
that the addition of the maintenance sites, phasing out the use of glyphosate, and weekend
servicing resulted in a higher minimum staffing level and associated labor costs. He remarked
that labor costs had increased from $22 to $30/hour in 2019 to $40 to $49/hour in 2023.
Regarding compensation for employees of the proposed contractors, all employees received an
hourly wage supplemented with health benefits, paid sick leave, and a retirement program.
BrightView staff would receive $18 to $34/hour, Gachina $18 to $32/hour, and Grassroots
Ecology $55 to $65/hour. Grassroots was an environmental nonprofit, so their services were
delivered through a volunteer model, which would not cover salaries.
Public Comments
There were no requests to speak.
Vice Mayor Stone asked why maintenance of the playing fields would be done in-house and if
an analysis had been done of the tradeoffs on cost of in-house versus contracting it out.
Assistant Director Anderson answered that maintenance of playing fields was done in-house
because the City had a greater degree of control of the end result, which he explained. He
understood that the audits in 1993 and 2005 had analyzed the tradeoffs on cost of in-house
versus contracting out.
Vice Mayor Stone thought a recent analysis of the tradeoffs on cost of in-house versus
contracting out would be helpful. He inquired if there was knowledge of residents’ thoughts
related to playing fields. He was interested in exploring that a little more. He queried if
residents renting picnic areas on weekends would be able to use the trashcans. He was
frustrated to see the increase in the contract cost and was interested in exploring how to
mitigate that in the future or, at least, seeing an analysis of in-house versus contracting out.
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 3 of 12
Finance Committee Meeting
Summary Minutes: 9/19/2023
Assistant Director Anderson voiced that residents cared very much about field conditions, and
they were not entirely satisfied with the fields, and staff was in communication with them
about ideas and proposals for improvement. He expressed that extra servicing had been built
into to the proposed contract. Residents renting picnic areas on weekends would be able to use
the trashcans.
Council Member Lythcott-Haims questioned if BrightView was a renewal. It looked to be more
than a 100% increase. She noted that much of the increase had been predicted in the FY2024
budget, but $400K was being taken from the BSR, so she requested commentary related to
budget forecasting. She asked why some sites were to be pesticide-free and not others and if all
would be at some point. She asked if Assistant to the City Manager Melissa McDonough was
aware of the provision related to homeless encampments and the possible removal of their
belongings.
Assistant Director Anderson confirmed that BrightView was a renewal. He explained why they
started small as they transitioned away from herbicides. They had been progressively reducing
herbicides, and herbicides had not been used at any park in five years. He noted that
[inaudible] had been herbicide-free for five years, but it was not designated as such as an
herbicide may be needed in the event of a future infestation. He was not sure if Assistant to the
City Manager McDonough was aware of the provision related to homeless encampments and
the possible removal of their belongings; however, he and Parks staff had worked with her
recently on a few similar situations.
Superintendent Do replied that the Parks Department and the Office of Management and
Budget worked together to hedge, and they forecasted a 40% cost increase. They had not
thought it would have be a 100% increase. They had not done as well as they would have liked
in projecting the cost increases. He explained that they had asked contractors for one-off
[inaudible], which was used as a cost gauge; however, material costs had also increased.
Chair Burt inquired, regarding labor cost increases, if the slide presented was referring to
employee compensation and if Packet Page 10 was referring to the billing rate from the
contractor. He requested the percentage of increase for each of the seven contributing factors
to the cost increases. He questioned how performance monitoring would occur. He requested
consideration be given to developing a policy that all City staff out in the field be quality
inspectors, which had to be through a broad training program. He queried if an additional
$458K was needed in addition to the funding of $1.8M and if the $6M increase covered the
three contracts.
Superintendent Do confirmed that the slide presented referred to employee compensation and
Packet Page 10 referred to the billing rate from the contractor. The largest cost increase was
the collective need for a higher FTE, and the labor rate was associated with that, which was also
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 4 of 12
Finance Committee Meeting
Summary Minutes: 9/19/2023
compounded by the labor rate increases. Material cost was the second largest factor in the
increase.
Assistant Director Anderson answered regarding performance monitoring that there were two
park inspectors whose full-time jobs were to inspect playgrounds and monitor contractors to
ensure sites were being taken care of appropriately. He explained that there was a tremendous
amount of redirecting the contractors. Community Services Department Mark Ribeiro managed
the BrightView contract and met with them on a regular basis, spot inspected, etc.
Assistant City Manager Kiely Nose answered that an additional $458K was needed in addition to
the funding of $1.8M, which she detailed, and the $6M increase covered the three contracts
over the life of the contracts.
Chair Burt noted that dividing 5 years by $6M would not be $2.3M per year. He asked why the
increase over 5 years was $6M+ if $1.8M was added and there was approximately $500K
beyond that in FY2024. He noted that $1.8M was above prior levels, not a total of $1.8M.
Assistant City Manager Nose replied that the $1.8M was included in the adopted budget, and to
reach the annual cost, the budget needed to be increased by about $460K, and the combination
of the two funded a 12-month cost of the contracts, which was about $2.3M.
Superintendent Do stated it should read that $1.8M was put in for the overall budget, not an
increase.
MOTION: Council Member Lythcott-Haims moved, seconded by Vice Mayor Stone to
recommend the City Council
1. Approve and authorize the City Manager to execute a contract with BrightView
Landscape Services, Inc., in the amount of $11,702,946, plus 5% for Additional Services
of $585,147, for a total of $12,288,093 for Landscape Maintenance Services throughout
the City for a term of five years, beginning on October 1, 2023, and ending on
September 30, 2028 (Attachment A). The contract amount for the first year of the
agreement will be $2,182,391, plus 5% contingency of $109,120, for a total of
$2,291,511.
2. Approve and authorize the City Manager to execute a contract with Gachina Landscape
Management, Inc., in the amount of $469,764, plus 10% in Additional Services of
$46,976 for a total of $516,740 for Landscape Services at the Regional Water Quality
Control Plant for a term of five years, beginning on October 1, 2023, and ending on
September 30, 2028. (Attachment B). The contract amount for the first year of the
agreement will be $90,624, plus 10% contingency of $9,062, for a total of $99,686.
3. Approve and authorize the City Manager to execute a contract with Grassroots Ecology
in the amount of $481,326, plus 10% for Additional Services of $48,132 for a total of
$529,459 for Habitat Restoration in Foothills Nature Preserve and Adobe Creek
Pedestrian Bridge Native Plant Restoration for a term of five years, beginning on
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 5 of 12
Finance Committee Meeting
Summary Minutes: 9/19/2023
October 1, 2023, and ending on September 30, 2028. (Attachment C). The contract
amount for the first year of the agreement will be $90,660, plus 10% in Additional
Services of $9,066, for a total of $99,726.
4. Amend the Fiscal Year 2024 Budget Appropriation to align with recommended contracts
including use of $404,342 of the General Fund Budget Stabilization Reserve.
5. Approve Contract Amendment No.2 to Contract C18170810A with BrightView
Landscape Services, Inc. to increase the Not to Exceed amount by $75,152 to provide
weekend services for a three-month contract extension (Attachment D).
MOTION PASSED: 3-0
Chair Burt asked if staff had considered evaluating where turf should and should not be in
Foothills Park and what water source might be used as an alternative to the Hetch Hetchy
water and if there was a sustainable water supply in that area.
Assistant Director Anderson stated the contract with Grassroots Ecology had what was called a
lawn conversion, and expanding that had been discussed, which he thought could be expanded
within the confines of this contract. The entire length would not be funded, and a separate CIP
may be needed.
2. Recommend City Council Approve Financing Plan for a Local Salt Removal Facility at the
Regional Water Quality Control Plant and Direct Staff to Secure Financing and Solicit Bids for
a Construction Contract and Construction Management Services Contract
Public Works Director Brad Eggleston voiced that the local removal salt removal facility at the
Regional Quality Control Plant was intended to improve the quality of recycled water. He
provided some history of cost estimates. This meeting was to review the financing plan. He
shared that a capital funding gap of about $40M that had been described last year had been
closed to a federal grant and the City of Mountain View paying the remaining capital cost. He
acknowledged that Mountain View Vice Mayor Pat Showalter was in the audience.
Public Works Assistant Director Karin North spoke of staff’s recommendation to approve the
financing plan for the facility, to authorize staff to amend the recycled water agreement
between Palo Alto and Mountain View, to invite bids for construction, and to secure project
financing through the Clean Water State Revolving Fund (SRF). She furnished slides and
provided some history of recycled water. She reminded Council that this was a regional water
quality control plant with multiple partner agencies.
Director Eggleston clarified that Phase 3 was the project that had been discussed over many
years, which was potentially expanding the system and building a pipeline to Stanford Research
Park primarily. Phase 1 and 2 related to the proposed small facility.
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 6 of 12
Finance Committee Meeting
Summary Minutes: 9/19/2023
Assistant Director North presented a slide showing the location for the local facility. They were
trying to produce higher quality recycled water and decrease the potable demand for irrigation
use. She commented that the terms Phase 1 and 2 were for sizing. The construction would be
to build a Phase 1, but it could be sized up quickly to a Phase 2. She discussed and shared a slide
showing what it would look like. They had 100% design, which included the soil filter, storage
tank, blending station, etc. She supplied a slide and spoke of different agency roles. Palo Alto
would provide a little funding; manage design, construction, operation, and maintenance,
which would be funded by [inaudible] plant staff; and distribute the enhanced recycled water
managed by Public Works wastewater treatment plant staff. Mountain View would be funding
the remaining capital and the ongoing O&M and distribute their own enhanced recycled water.
She mentioned some benefits to Palo Alto included higher quality water, increasing recycled
water to reduce discharge to the bay, possible recycled water customers within Palo Alto, etc.
Associate Engineer Diego Martinez Garcia displayed slides and discussed cost estimates, capital
cost share, O&M costs, total annual cost allocation by agency for the first 10 years of operation
(Attachment A), and the current schedule of the project. They expected to address Palo Alto
City Council next month. If the project should move forward, they would continue and close the
SRF Loan Agreement for $27M, which would be paid by Mountain View and close and sign the
grant with the Bureau of Reclamation for $13M, and the Recycled Water Agreement would
need to be amended with Mountain View. They estimated that construction would start in mid-
2024 and be completed by the end of 2026. They recommended the Committee approve the
financing plan to construct the project, authorize amendment of the Recycled Water
Agreement with the City of Palo Alto, issue invitations for bids for construction, and secure
financing through SRF for the remaining $27M.
Public Comments
Mountain View Vice Mayor Pat Showalter was at the meeting on behalf of Mountain View City
Council because they had voted to move forward with the offer. They thought it was a great
idea and hoped the Committee would also consider it a great idea and move forward with it.
She thanked the Committee and staff for being wonderful partners for decades. She spoke of
compelling reasons for funding this, which included reducing freshwater input into the bay,
sustainability, recycled water being a drought-proof supply, recycled water having many good
uses, and expected development with dual plumbing. She noted that Mountain View was using
most of the recycled water and hoped Palo Alto would increase recycled water use over time,
and Mountain View would be happy to move into Phase 2.
Chair Burt explained the meaning of dual plumbing. He asked Vice Mayor Showalter if recycled
water was needed for new development and how the cost of the water was priced to
customers versus the Hetch Hetchy water provided for potable uses.
Vice Mayor Showalter expressed why they were building dual plumbing for new buildings. The
expanded need for recycled water was for new development but they planned to extend the
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 7 of 12
Finance Committee Meeting
Summary Minutes: 9/19/2023
recycled water system into the East Whisman area, which would not restrict the types of
landscapes used there. She did not know the timeline.
Assistant Director North answered that Mountain Views’ recycled water pricing was about 65%
of their potable water.
Chair Burt queried if that pricing was cost or market value based; if Mountain had a debt
service; and who charged for the water.
Assistant Director North replied that Mountain View did a cost of service analysis in 2013,
which was being updated. She assumed their price may change, which would also depend on
the quality of the water. They had a pipeline debt service. Palo Alto worked directly with
Mountain View’s Water Utility, and the recycled water and water utility was under the same
umbrella.
Chair Burt addressed the City previously thinking of wastewater as an environmentally
detrimental waste but was now thinking of waste as a commodity that could be upvalued after
treatment. He indicated there was an input commodity value. He questioned how the value
transfers would be sorted out between partner agencies, the Public Works Department, and
Utilities. He thanked Vice Mayor Showalter for attending the meeting.
Council Member Lythcott-Haims asked why Palo Alto had made limited use of recycled water to
date and why it was decided that Greer Park and the golf course were suitable locations; if dual
plumbing would be done for BASA; and how far Palo Alto’s direct potable reuse reached.
Assistant Director North provided history going back to the 1980s related to recycled water,
and she explained why Greer Park and the golf course were suitable locations. Regarding
expansion of pipelines, staff had previously done a lot of analysis in the Northwest County
Recycled Water Strategic Plan and a financial plan, and due to the cost, Council decided to
continue to do more analysis at that time. In parallel, they were also told to reduce salinity, so a
salt removal facility needed to be built before pipelines could be expanded within Palo Alto. The
draft regulations of direct potable reuse were currently out, and it appeared there needed to
be a pretreatment salt-removal facility and a post-treatment facility. If that should be desired in
the future, the stage was being set for it to be done, but it would not be a lot of water.
Chair Burt answered that dual plumbing would be done for BASA. He added that until now it
had not been legal to have direct potable reuse, although indirect potable had been happening
in some Southern California areas. For such to be safely consumed, a step was needed to break
down synthetic organic materials. He queried if Palo Alto was able to tap into some of the
water from the Advanced Water Recycling Facility at San Antonio that Valley Water was putting
in.
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 8 of 12
Finance Committee Meeting
Summary Minutes: 9/19/2023
Assistant Director North replied that Public Works and Utilities staff had been working with
Valley Water. Valley Water was to do more analysis on effluent availability, and they may not
size the facility to take more of Palo Alto’s water. It was still being discussed.
Chair Burt discussed the input water commodity of the wastewater and limited publicly owned
land for such a purpose and not being able to get that water, and he questioned if the
agreement could be redone. He addressed the rebuild of the Regional Water Quality Control
Plant, the Advanced Water Recycling Facility, and Phases 1 and 2 of Palo Alto’s salt-removal
facility and all having relationships with each other, and he struggled with how each project
related to each other and the benefits to Palo Alto.
Council Member Lythcott-Haims asked what was meant by 90% of the design costs being in, if
100% could be predicted, and if 90% of the design was $56M of which Mountain View was to
pay half. She requested the definition of the remaining 10%.
Associate Engineer Garcia explained that the percents were the level of detail of the design. The
original cost on the Visibility Study was 10%. It was never high level with details concerning
material prices. He outlined that 30%, 60%, and 90% were definitions of the design. During the
pandemic, they were struggling with inflation, supply chain issues, etc., that were increasing the
cost of every phase of the design. He confirmed that 90% of the design was $56M, which
Mountain View was to pay half. The definition of the 10% was completed between October
2022 and June 2023, but there would not be an updated cost estimate for the 100% until
finalization of the plan.
Director Eggleston added that engineering and construction projects go through a sequence of
design, but there would not be an estimate for a percentage of a project. There would be a
design contingency that would be a part of the estimate, and as the levels of design were
proceeded through, the estimate would be lowered. The 90% design estimate included some
design contingency that was meant to cover details that may be added. They were hopeful the
estimate would not change or would, at least, be close.
Vice Mayor Stone inquired if the total annual cost allocation by agency included administrative
and staffing costs that would be ongoing; if as the years progressed Palo Alto could maintain
some of the water share if needed; and if there were any reasons not to approve the financing
plan. He did not see why this would not be supported.
Associate Engineer Garcia responded that the total annual cost allocation by agency included
administrative and staffing costs that would be ongoing, except for labor. The labor had been
blended into the main Water Quality Control Plan Budget, as they expected one position that
would be divided into a part-time chemist, part-time operator, etc.
Assistant Director North answered, regarding Palo Alto maintaining some of the water share,
that the costs were based on usage, so Palo Alto had a right to a certain amount of water now.
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 9 of 12
Finance Committee Meeting
Summary Minutes: 9/19/2023
In looking at the cost estimates moving forward for operations and maintenance, they had not
increased that because they were not assuming expansion, but there would be water available
for Palo Alto. As for reasons not to approve the financing plan, a lot of analysis had been done,
Palo Alto had the grant, and Palo Alto had been in the queue for the SRF loan for a long time,
and they heard the SRF was not going to take on new projects for a little time, so staff did not
want to miss that opportunity, and the agreement needed to be signed before the end of the
year.
Director Eggleston noted that there were a lot of reasons to proceed. If Palo Alto never
expanded its use of recycled water and a lot more of the water was not going to be used at
Greer Park and the golf course, then Palo Alto could be working on an investment that would
mainly benefit Mountain View. The relationship with Mountain View as a partner was very
important to increase the use of recycled water in Palo Alto. The potential biggest downside
was building this and Palo Alto getting only the listed side benefits without ever starting to use
more of the water.
Chair Burt added that $13M was in the Bureau of Reclamation grant and $16M from Valley
Water, and Palo Alto would not necessarily have those options for Phase 2. If Palo Alto’s use
should not be expanded, the nonlocal dollars would be wasted for a phase that Palo Alto would
not get much benefit from. He asked if enhanced recycled or recycled water was used for the
golf course and Greer Park; if the golf course and Greer Park used about 400K gallons of
recycled water; if the golf course was redesigned for vegetation that could tolerate a certain
salinity level; and if Greer Park blended recycled water with potable water to get the TDS down
so vegetation would not be harmed by that water. Until an expansion is done for recycled
water, he queried if there would be uses for the lower salinity recycled water other than having
to blend for Greer Park. He asked where the purple pipe ran from Greer and how it was tapped
into. He queried if East Palo Alto took some of Palo Alto’s recycled water. He was glad that
Council Member Lythcott-Haims had brought up dual plumbing in the lower San Antonio area.
He provided some historic context as to why Palo Alto had made limited use of recycled water
and dual plumbing. He was hopeful that there would be a big investment of purple pipe in the
Research Park and that they would be a partner once Palo Alto could supply them water for
their vegetation.
Assistant Director North responded that recycled water was used for the golf course and Greer
Park, the golf course and Greer Park used about 400K gallons of recycled water, the golf course
was redesigned for vegetation that could tolerate a certain salinity level, and Greer Park
blended recycled water with potable water to get the TDS down so vegetation would not be
harmed by that water. There were not currently uses for lower salinity recycled water other
than having to blend for Greer Park. Other than the greens, the landscaping could probably use
the enhanced recycled water, which would have to be a capital project. The purple pipe for
Greer ran down East Bayshore to Matadero Creek. Staff had considered expanding recycled
water into East Palo Alto to their playing fields, but at that point in time, there was no capital to
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 10 of 12
Finance Committee Meeting
Summary Minutes: 9/19/2023
expand the pipeline. She provided details of where a little recycled water was used, which was
not technically East Palo Alto.
Director Eggleston would follow up further regarding the greens being able to tolerate salt. He
explained that the water was not paid for by Greer Park or the golf course, and there was no
recycled water rate in Palo Alto, which was part of the reason why other connections from
businesses or others along East Bayshore and/or Embarcadero had not been established. He
questioned if a rate should be established in the future to try to make more connections.
MOTION: Vice Mayor Stone moved, seconded by Council Member Lythcott-Haims to
recommend the City Council
1. Approve the Financing Plan for the Local Salt Removal Facility to be constructed and
authorize staff to amend the Recycled Water Agreement with the City of Mountain
View.
2. Direct staff to issue an invitation for bids for construction and secure financing for the
project financing through the Clean Water State Revolving Fund (SRF).
MOTION PASSED: 3-0
3. Accept California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS) Pension Annual Valuation
Reports as of June 30, 2022
Assistant City Manager Kiely Nose declared that Budget Manager Paul Harper was in
attendance to help facilitate the conversation.
Budget Manager Jessie Dechamps mentioned that the CalPERS Actuary David Clement was also
attending. She displayed slides and addressed the purpose of the overview, which transferred
the CalPERS reports used to inform the FY2025 budget and the financial planning of Pension
benefit. The goal was to accept the CalPERS reports. She furnished slides reviewing funding
sources to pay pensions and the status of current and expected pension plans, which she
detailed. Staff would return in December and January to review the long-range financial
forecast, and as part of the review, staff would include pension trust contributions at the lower
5.3% rate and estimates for expected changes, such as the preliminary 5.8% return. This long-
range financial forecast and input from the Finance Committee and City Council would be used
to develop the FY2025 proposed budget. Deliberations with the Finance Committee to review
the proposed budget would occur in May for City Council adoption in June. The action this
evening was to accept the June 30, 2022, CalPERS valuation reports.
Public Comments
There were no requests to speak.
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 11 of 12
Finance Committee Meeting
Summary Minutes: 9/19/2023
Council Member Lythcott-Haims questioned when it was predicted that the ADP discretionary
payments would be made and if it was on target. She asked how many California municipalities
had a 115 Pension Trust.
Assistant City Manager Nose replied that in 2017 they had not contemplated when the ADP
discretionary payments would be made. When staff took the work with the Finance Committee
to establish the Long-Term Benefits Funding Policy, staff considered a multivariable plan to
manage pension liability. In theory, she thought the plan was on track to continue the funding
strategy. She cautioned that there could be major swings in investment returns in any given
year, which could create significant changes in the funding level, but she noted that Palo Alto
was a long-term investor. She did not know how many California municipalities had gone the
route of a 115 Pension Trust. A very small cohort of California cities started this in 2017, and the
interest had grown exponentially over the years.
CalPERS Actuary David Clement also did not know how many California municipalities had a 115
Pension Trust.
Chair Burt added that the policy decision to set up the 115 was made in 2016, but at that time,
staff had not been able to tell the Committee what dollar amounts should be contributed.
Vice Mayor Stone inquired what this could mean for the FY2025 budget long-range forecast.
Budget Manager Dechamps answered that in the long range last year, they had the preliminary
6.1% loss, which was materializing tonight, but the long range last year did program estimated
costs for the loss. She did not anticipate too much fluctuation because that had been taken into
consideration in the prior year long range.
Assistant City Manager Nose wanted the Committee to be aware that as part of the funding
policy the Committee had decided to assume a more conservative rate of return, so staff was
assuming a lower rate of return when creating the calculations for budget. Some of the change
was a change in the required contribution to CalPERS versus what would be going to the 115
Trust. There was some difference between them as they were contributing at a 5.8% rate
versus CalPERS was achieving 6.8%, but it had been planned for. There would be some
fluctuation in cost since it was based on payroll, but staff had done their best to include it.
Chair Burt pointed out that Palo Alto was using a more conservative rate of return than CalPERS
was projecting. In future reports, he wanted to see current and past projected employer
contributions. He inquired if there had been a change from last year’s projection for the next
eight years and if the long-range forecast had changed as a result of changes to Table 2.
Budget Manager Dechamps replied that a chart would typically be included in the presentation
that would use the current valuation and the two years prior showing the same projections for
each year to see how it might have changed based on the issuance of the valuation. She
SUMMARY MINUTES
Page 12 of 12
Finance Committee Meeting
Summary Minutes: 9/19/2023
explained why that had not been done for the current round. She detailed why the long-range
forecast had not changed significantly because of changes to Table 2.
MOTION: Council Member Lythcott-Haims moved, seconded by Vice Mayor Stone to
recommend the City Council accept the June 30, 2022 CalPERS Annual Valuation reports for the
Miscellaneous and Safety Pension Plans.
MOTION PASSED: 3-0
Future Meetings and Agendas
Assistant City Manager Keily Nose noted that tentatively there was one item, which was not
time sensitive, for the October 3 meeting. She asked the Committee if they wished to defer the
item so there would be a multiple item agenda, and meetings would likely resume October 17
and November 7.
Chair Burt was interested in getting an update on the FTTP Program.
Assistant City Manager Nose would coordinate with the Utilities Director, but they did an
update at UAC, so she suspected it would be feasible to bring that same update to this
Committee. It would not necessarily be an action item, but staff could request they provide
update/study session information. She recommended the October 3 meeting be cancelled
because there might be constraints in pulling a report together this week. Staff would look to
October 17 and November 7 for that. Staff would also bring forward the print and mail service
evaluation that had been agendized and they were looking at another item related to the
Electric Integrated Resource Plan for 2023.
Chair Burt asked if a December 19 meeting was being anticipated.
Assistant City Manager Nose did not anticipate having a meeting on December 19. The dates
after November 7 would be November 28, and the audit would come forward, and the final
meeting of the calendar year would be December 5. She asked the Committee to let staff know
if meetings needed to be cancelled or rescheduled. There would not be a meeting on October
3.
Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 7:34 P.M.