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Staff Report (ID # 14844)
Report Type: Approval of Minutes Meeting Date: 10/13/2022
City of Palo Alto
Planning & Development Services
250 Hamilton Avenue
Palo Alto, CA 94301
(650) 329-2442
Summary Title: HRB Draft Minutes August 25, 2022
Title: Approval of Historic Resources Board Draft Minutes of August
25, 2022
From: Jonathan Lait
Recommendation
Staff recommends the Historic Resources Board (HRB) adopt the attached meeting minutes.
Background
Attached are minutes for the following meeting(s):
• August 25, 2022
Attachments:
• Attachment A: HRB Draft Minutes August 25, 2022 (DOCX)
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Call to Order/Roll Call
Present: Chair Caroline Willis; Vice Chair Pease, Board Members Michael Makinen, Margaret
Wimmer, Gogo Heinrich, David Bower and Alisa Eagleston-Cieslewicz (arrived late)
Absent:
1. Adoption of a Resolution Authorizing Use of Teleconferencing for Historic Resources Board
During Covid-19 State of Emergency
Board Member Heinrich moved to approve the Resolution. Seconded by Vice Chair Pease, the motion carried
(5-0) by voice vote.
Oral Communications
Agenda Changes, Additions and Deletions
Board Member Eagleston-Cieslewicz joined the meeting.
City Official Reports
2. Historic Resources Board Schedule of Meetings and Assignments
Vice Chair Pease is added to “not attending” for the September 8th meeting.
3. Update Regarding Historic Resources Inventory Update
Ms. French reported that progress with the contract situation is not what they would wish it to be due to
certain things that have to happen when City contracts are for more than a certain amount. The contract
is being finalized and she hoped they might potentially be able to launch the next week. Staff is working
with a couple of consultants. The scope/tasks include a historical resources reconnaissance survey update;
facilitation of designation of properties to the Historic Inventory; participation in community meetings and
other outreach; and attendance at public meetings. Ms. French estimates multiple HRB hearings and at
least one Council meeting. Another consultant is helping with tasks such as preparing notices , conversing
with each property owner and preparing staff reports. Both consultants will work closely with Ms. French.
Board Member Bower asked if the process would include a review of Mid-Century Modern buildings. Ms.
French stated not at this time. The survey authorized by Council was limited to those identified as
constructed prior to 1948, identified in the last survey as National Register Eligible, and those more recently
identified as California Register Eligible. Board Member Bower was disappointed the scope was not larger,
as it seems to be a missed opportunity to get a huge number of buildings with potential to be registered.
Ms. French replied that the focus is the at-risk homes constructed prior to 1948. The risk is that ministerial
permits can quickly wipe those out if not acted upon. She acknowledged the re are larger tasks and
mentioned the grant opportunity that passes by every year , a Modern Era Context statement, that they
could consider submitting next year during the grant cycle.
HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD MEETING
MINUTES: August 25, 2022
Council Chambers & Zoom
8:30 A.M.
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Chair Willis felt they need to start building with the first step being the direction Council has given them.
The properties are already identified, the research done. This is the first building block, and she is excited
it is starting. She felt the next step is to get their existing inventory online, to clarify what they have, and
what they are looking for going forward. She felt putting properties identified more recently on the web
without having their existing inventory there would be confusing. She hoped to find volunteers from the
Board to work on this. Inventory sheets need to be retyped. Chair Willis felt that a Board task for this fall
should be developing a system for updating the existing inventory and getting it online , after which they
could move on to Mid Century.
Board Member Bower responded that his sadness is that they have had a grant proposal ready to go to do
a Mid Century Modern review, which the Council does not move forward. He stated that he felt Council
might move it forward if staff would move it to Council, but it is not going anywhere. It is partially free
money, and he felt they would have a very good chance. They have been trying to move on this for more
than three years. Some Mid Century houses are coming up on 70 years old, which is not insignificant.
Chair Willis thought this was a good point and asked if Ms. French could update them on staffing potential
for projects. Ms. French said this is the entire issue. She cited the Great Resignation as affecting staffing
and ability to move things forward. There are candidates in the process, and she noted there were
interviews the past week for two Associate Planner positions, but the problem is cost – cost of housing,
cost of living – and not being able to offer enough money for people to make the change. Chair Willis
wondered if the Board could speak out in terms of salaries. Ms. French thought this would not be
appropriate but said there is recognition of the staffing shortage.
Chair Willis reiterated Board Member Bower’s disappointment at not being able to add Mid Century Modern
properties, update the existing inventory and add the new batch of properties under current discussion.
She said they could benefit greatly from someone who had significant time to coordinate those three efforts.
She felt this is a foundational block to the Historic Preservation program. While using consultants is great,
there are ownership issues, and they would benefit from a staff person who has significant time to devote
to these efforts. Ms. French said that such tasks are included in the scope of the second consultant.
Chair Willis asked when the consultants come onboard if there would be an opportunity to meet with them
immediately. Ms. French said they could form a subcommittee of members who could have bi -weekly
meetings with them, and she would be happy to set that up. Chair Willis thought especially in the beginning,
it would be important to talk about the Board’s concern and about what they feel is unique to Palo Alto.
She asked the Board Members who would be interested.
Vice Chair Pease had questions about how the letter will be composed and vetted for content, accuracy,
readability, understandability, before being sent out and was interested to know how that process would
work. Chair Willis thought they had talked about identifying ten property owners with a variety of
perspectives and interests who could help refine the questions and answers, the letter, and general
direction. She asked that Board Members email her with any ideas about who those people could be.
Chair Willis, Vice Chair Pease and Board Member Heinrich volunteered to be on the subcommittee. Ms.
French said when the contract is official, they will have the two consultants come and address the Board.
Board Member Heinrich asked what the timeline might be. Ms. French responded that hopefully they will
have the contract soon and she can meet with the consultants and start on a staff report to present to the
Board, although they could potentially put a free form discussion with the Board on the agenda. Chair Willis
thought that would be great.
Chair Willis asked if Council’s direction to update the inventory pertained specifically to residential
properties. Ms. French said at the time the focus was on SB 9. They knew there were other properties on
the eligible list, but the impetus was related to the SB 9 event. Nonresidential property is subject to
discretionary review, so they are protected by CEQA. Chair Willis said she feels strongly that they should
take the city properties on the list – especially ones that are not controversial or not at risk – and put them
on the inventory. The City should step up and say this is something they support. She would like to have
a subcommittee to talk to Public Works or Real Estate or whoever is in charge of these buildings,
representing the City, and move forward on these. It might point out some of the issues with residential
ones and could make it clear that this is important to the City, beyond SB 9 considerations , but because
they want to protect their historic properties. She said in her mind this is bas ically in regard to the Water
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Tower and the Pumping Station. The research has been done and not much has been done to the properties
in the last 20 years. One is already in a park setting. The other is park adjacent. It would simply be a matter
of going to the proper department to see if they have any objections to this.
Seeing no volunteers for a subcommittee, Chair Willis said she may try to round up a group to start this
process. Ms. French said she could obtain the list of properties that are City -owned on the eligible list and
share it with the Real Estate Department and let them know of Chair Willis’ interest in meeting with them.
Chair Willis said they need to take positive steps to get the community interested again. She suggested
putting things on the National Register, going all the way with them, so they would know when a
homeowner asks about it. It could clarify the procedure for everyone. Ms. French wondered if it would
involve a trip to Washington, D.C.
Board Member Eagleston-Cieslewicz asked if there are non-residential properties which would be covered
in the consultant’s scope of work. Ms. French responded that the 130 properties identified are the focus.
The thought was to launch this portion and then sometime further down the road the process would be
better established. Some of the properties are not City-owned. For example, 321 California.
Board Member Pease asked for clarification that residential includes multi -unit. Ms. French responded that
she believes the 130 are single-family, that are not as protected. Multi-family has to go through the
architectural review process, a discretionary process. They could be folded in as they get past the first set
or two, but it will take time.
Darlene Yaplee, Palo Alto resident living on Waverly Street, University South, commented that she is a
prospective homeowner on the list of 130. She said she had commented at the May 12 HRB meeting,
encouraging efforts to make information for prospective historical property owners understand able and
relevant to their expected questions, and transparent. She was pleased to hear that the Board is looking
at including 10 people to help review the list of 130, to help review and create the content. She stated that
she is happy to volunteer for that, and she thanked the Board for all that they do. Chair Willis stated they
appreciated her comments and will put her on the first batch of callers for the inventory update.
Approval of Minutes
4. Approval of Historic Resources Board Draft Minutes of July 14, 2022
Board Member Bower moved to approve the minutes as corrected. Seconded by Vice Chair Pease , the
motion carried (7-0) by roll call vote.
Subcommittee Items
Board Member Questions, Comments or Announcements
Chair Willis invited comments from the Board Members.
Board Member Wimmer commented on the subcommittee for the President Hotel paint colors that Board
Member Heinrich, Board Member Bower and she had gone out and reviewed and had given feedback. She
asked if there is any new information on that. Ms. French thought that an email had been sent the day
before summarizing what has transpired so far and ask ing a few questions. Board Member Wimmer did not
receive the email. Ms. French said she would forward it. Board Member Bower reported that the
subcommittee is still working on the colors.
Board Member Bower questioned Ms. French about the Hostess House. Former Council Member Karen
Holman had sent an email to the Crescent Park Neighborhood Association saying that the property was on
a list of potential housing sites. He has been out of town but wanted to know if it came before the Council,
and what happened. Ms. French advised that Ms. Holman presented to the Council the prior Monday
regarding her concern. She did not recall the outcome, but she will get back to the Board on it. Board
Member Bower wanted to bring this to the attention of the Board. The Mac Arthur Park Building is a National
Registered building just next to the train station on University Avenue. The notion is that because the
building was moved more than 100 years ago, it should be moved again and the property developed. This
last came up in 2012 when Stanford University and John Arrillaga proposed to build a lot of housing and a
performing arts center there that didn’t go anywhere. It would have also required complete renovation or
demolition of the overpass, which is potentially an historic structure in itself as it appears to be the first
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overpass, according to Dennis Backlund, a former planner. He was hoping that this consideration goes
away because it is inappropriate for a historic registered building, and it would lose its historic register
status by moving it.
Chair Willis wondered if it would be appropriate for the Board to send a letter to Council stating interest in
this and clarifying that they feel its National Register status would be affected by its location and
surroundings. Ms. French said the Board can do what it wishes. She said she is happy to follow up and see
what the outcome was and talk with the Housing Element team to try to understand better what the next
step is. Chair Willis thought that would be great, and that step two might be to invite Council to tour the
building and talk about its history. Back when it was MacArthur Park and they all went there with some
frequency, it was a more obvious prominent landmark, and the fact that it is now in disuse is not helping
its survival. She felt there would be benefit in reacquainting Council with the building.
Board Member Wimmer interjected that when she attended a preservation conference at Stanford back in
May, she connected with Laura Jones, the archeologist for Stanford. Ms. Jones did an interesting and
informative presentation to the HRB regarding the Stanford Business Park a few years ago. In talking with
Ms. Jones, the subject of Macarthur Park came up, and Ms. Jones was interested in doing a presentation
to the HRB to discuss the proposed high density housing in that area and the potential impacts. She found
her information to be educated, and it is land adjacent to Palo Alto. Board Member Wimmer said she had
sent out an email back in May to Ms. French and Chair Willis in regard to potentially having a joint study
session with the ARB. Board Member Wimmer did not know how much Ms. Jones’ content was in alignment
with the Board’s thoughts, but she wanted to mention the discussion and that Ms. Jones has done extensive
research on the project.
Board Member Bower pointed out that the property that the Hostess House sits on is owned by Stanford,
but it is in the City of Palo Alto’s jurisdiction, as is most of the shopping center, and that is why it is both a
Palo Alto issue and a Stanford issue. When Stanford came before the Board in 2012, they were interested
in expanding housing, which is a tough thing to do, because Stanford has employees and student
populations that are expanding, and they are looking anywhere they can to find spaces to build houses.
Board Member Wimmer said she didn’t get into Ms. Jones’ thoughts about the property, just that there are
discussions going regarding how to best utilize the property, but Ms. Jones did make herself available to
talk with the HRB as well as the ARB.
Board Member Bower commented on the email from Ms. Holman which has good information and links to
the important historic features and the architect that designed the Hostess House. He asked that Ms. French
forward the email to the other Board Members for their reference. Ms. French will do so.
Chair Willis said she would love to have a short presentation by Ms. Jones regarding the Hostess House, to
bring it to the forefront. She thought they would eventually need to deal with the issue , and the closer they
can work with Stanford, the better. Board Member Wimmer will follow up with Ms. Jones about doing a 15-
minute presentation to the Board.
Chair Willis commented on a Julia Morgan Category 2 on Chaucer Street, where the property immediately
across the street is being demolished and rebuilt. The house across the street is mentioned without
mentioning that it is a Category 2, or a Julia Morgan. She wanted to raise awareness of staff that those
things are important to note when there is feedback being given to the architect/designers of the property .
She felt there was substantial consideration being given to the two immediately adjacent properties . This
particular Julia Morgan has balconies in the front and is very stre et-friendly, and it would be an oversight
not to consider how it affects the Julia Morgan. She wasn’t sure how they could approach the City’s process
as far as altering that, but she thought at some point they should look at all City processes that would
potentially affect historic properties, especially 1’s and 2’s to see how they can interact with existing
guidelines to get a better result for historic properties and perhaps help to ensure their longevity.
Board Member Wimmer said they do that when it’s a commercial building and in certain districts. For
example, the parking garage that was going to be built across from the post office on Hamilton. They were
looking at the proposed parking structure and what the impacts would be to the historic building, but they
have never done that for residential properties.
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Chair Willis wondered if others felt like this mattered, or if it is something the Board feels they should
pursue. Board Member Wimmer said if it is a two-story process it will go through the IR process, so they
could maybe ask the IR Review to take that under consideration. She thought if they created a whole new
requirement, another hoop for homeowners to jump through, she felt it might be an arduous task, although
a great idea in theory. Chair Willis agreed. Board Member Wimmer said she thought they should focus
their energy on the inventory and things that they are currently working on. Chair Willis said she wasn’t
thinking of adding a whole new process, but because the process already takes int o consideration the
immediately adjacent houses, it seemed that the facing house could easily be included in that group. Board
Member Wimmer thought that if they are going through the IR, the houses within 300 feet are noticed, so
if the homeowner of the J ulia Morgan house has an objection, it is their task to speak up and offer their
comments on the impact it will have on their house. The burden would be upon the owner of the historic
property to do that. She thought that they are noticed, and any time a new two-story house goes up and
they go through individual review then all houses within 300 feet are noticed, including the houses across
the street, so the owners of the historic house will be noticed that there is a new house going up across
the street.
Ms. French clarified that 150 feet is the radius of notice, so it would capture notice to the property across
the street, and that property could request a hearing as well.
Chair Willis commented on building descriptions when the review process is done and asked if the Board
supports having the historic status, especially if a 1 or a 2. She wondered if it would be appropriate to
identify the house as an historic property that the City values as a Category 2 that was designed by a
preeminent architect. Board Member Bower thought that would require the owner to agree to that
designation in order for that to happen. Chair Willis said in this case the City has already identified it as a
Category 2. As far as giving guidance to the designer, she felt it would be appropriate to point out that the
house has additional value, that it also tells a story and has a history. She wondered if there could be
guidelines for review of a proposed house when there is an historic house adjacent or immediately across
the street, that it’s historic status would be identified.
Board Member Bower clarified that MacArthur Park is still open for business and encouraged people to
continue to support it, because it protects the Hostess House.
Adjournment
Board Member Bower moved to adjourn the meeting. Seconded by Vice Chair Pease, the motion carried
unanimously by voice vote.
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