HomeMy WebLinkAbout2022-04-28 Historic Resources Board Summary MinutesHistoric Resources Board
Staff Report (ID # 14532)
Report Type: Approval of Minutes Meeting Date: 7/14/2022
City of Palo Alto
Planning & Development Services
250 Hamilton Avenue
Palo Alto, CA 94301
(650) 329-2442
Summary Title: HRB Draft Minutes April 28, 2022
Title: Approval of Historic Resources Board Draft Minutes of April 28,
2022
From: Jonathan Lait
Recommendation
Staff recommends the Historic Resources Board (HRB) adopt the attached meeting minutes.
Background
Attached are minutes for the following meeting(s):
• April 28, 2022
Attachments:
• Attachment A: HRB Draft Minutes April 28, 2022 (DOCX)
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Call to Order/Roll Call
Present: Chair Caroline Willis; Vice Chair Christian Pease; Board Members Michael Makinen,
Margaret Wimmer, Gogo Heinrich, Alisa Eagleston-Cieslewicz and David Bower
Absent: None
1. Adoption of a Resolution Authorizing Use of Teleconferencing for Historic Resources Board
during Covid-19 State of Emergency
MOTION
Board Member Bower moved to adopt the Resolution Authorizing Use of Teleconferencing for Historic
Resources Board. Seconded by Board Member Alisa Eagleston-Cieslewicz, the motion carried (5-0)
Oral Communications
Agenda Changes, Additions and Deletions
City Official Reports
2. Historic Resources Board Schedule of Meetings and Assignments
Chair Willis asked if they could move the June meeting to June 30th. Ms. French stated that staff will look
into this and advise the Boardmembers if the meeting has been moved.
Action Items
2.CEQA PUBLIC HEARING/QUASI-JUDICIAL. 525 University Avenue [21PLN-00209]: Review of
Proposed Exterior Modifications for Compliance with Secretary of the Interior’s Standards,
Associated with Architectural Review Application. Property was Found Eligible for Listing on the
California Register of Historical Resources, Environmental Assessment: California
Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) Exempt per Guidelines 15301 for existing Structures.
Ms. French presented slides showing changes to the project at 525 University, which have been determined
Secretary of the Interior Standards compliant by the applicant’s consultant, as well as peer-reviewed by
the City’s consultant. The Palo Alto Office Center has been determined eligible for the California Register
under Criterion 3. The architect, Tallie Maule, was well known for his work with the BART concepts and
internationally known as well. The structure was completed in 1966 and received a citation of merit from a
well-known magazine at the time. Ms. French shared statements regarding the project’s embodiment of
Criterion 3 architecture, as well as an image of the original Tallie Maule design.
Ms. French displayed images of the existing building showing its historic integrity. The project includes
curtain wall replacement at the first three stories of the building . The building was the tallest building
between San Francisco and Los Angeles at the time it was built. It also was one of the buildings that led
to height restrictions of 50 feet in Palo Alto. Other criteria for eligibility included Criterion 2. The firm that
developed the project was Hare, Brewer, and Kelley, that located within the building. This firm developed
a number of residential and commercial projects in Palo Alto at the time, including the Mayfield Mall, which
is now a Google campus. The period of significance was their residency there from 1966 to 1976. The
HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD MEETING
MINUTES: April 28, 2022
Virtual Teleconference Meeting
8:30 A.M.
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project is not eligible under Criterion 1 since there were several planned and built developments that
precipitated the height restriction conversation in Palo Alto, including redevelopment in Downtown North
and University Avenue as well as a trend in the development of corporate office parks. Character-defining
features are listed in the staff report. Landscape features are part of the character -defining features, and
the proposed changes include some modifications to landscape features and exterior landscape courts.
Ms. French explained that the HRB’s purview is to confirm that the project will not be detrimental to an
eligible historic resource as it comes before the HRB as a discretionary architectural review application. The
HRB has the purview to support the work of architectural review and provide comments specifically on
architectural review finding 2b regarding historic character. Also included is a CEQA (California
Environmental Quality Act) task, which is to ensure that what is being done to this eligible building during
a discretionary review is Secretary of Interior Standards compliant. The task is to look at exterior
modifications, not the interior.
Ms. Emily Foley, Project Planner, City of Palo Alto, handed the presentation over to the applicant/architect,
Rob Zirkle, principal of Brick. Also present were Hannah Simonson, of Page and Turnbull; and members of
the SWA Group, collaborating landscape architects on the extended project team . Mr. Zirkle noted that he
has been presenting building projects in Palo Alto for many years, but this is his first trip to the HRB, and
he was happy to be present, noting that what the Board does is a labor of love , which contributes to the
discourse in a public process which benefits architecture and urban design.
Mr. Zirkle shared photos of the project site. The project is comprised of not only 525 University , which is
an eligible resource, but also 530 Lytton, which is not, but the project is a fusion of the two structures with
a public space between them. The project takes up an entire city block, providing an interesting scope of
work for architects and urban designers to think about how to improve the sense of place. The original
question from the client to Mr. Zirkle’s team was about a wind problem, which creates an undesirable
environment within the plaza itself. The wind washes down the face of this sole tall building in the area
and funnels the wind down into the plaza.
Mr. Zirkle said that the team had enjoyed studying original material related to Tallie Maule’s practice,
particularly with his work with BART, of which the archives at UC Berkeley had a treasure trove of
information, period pieces, as well as his manuscripts and drawings. In studying these materials they asked
themselves what Tallie would do while they were coming up with ideas.
Mr. Zirkle said the three-story base treatment is an important element for the team including patterns of
the window mullions and the bush-hammered concrete. The team met with a wind consultant in the
consultant’s wind tunnel in Denver to do an analysis of how the wind worked. A trellis included in the plan
came from the idea of needing a way to baffle the wind traveling down the face of the building. The baffle
design would solve the performance problem and also create an aesthetic out of it. The trellis on the back
side of the building allows sun in and makes for a more pleasant environment. Also, it is 50 percent
transparent as a wind baffle, so it acts to decelerate and neutralize the wind traveling down the face of the
building, making the space against the building and the entire plaza more habitable and functional.
Mr. Zirkle said the team was interested in how the base of the building hits the ground. He noted that there
is currently tenant lease space on the ground floor which usually has drawn shades at the sidewalk level,
and there are building operations and offices that face the courtyard. The team set out to create a more
friendly, more transparent, and welcoming atmosphere where the building hits ground level, both on
University Ave and also the courtyard. Their idea was to vacate all of the tenant space on the ground floor
and create an open, publicly-accessible lobby in the building, including space to allow for informal meeting
areas, a front desk, a new front door off of University Avenue, and a small café space with a direct
connection to the plaza. Mr. Zirkle shared a view on University Avenue, including the new front door, and
said there are still egress points on the sides, under the wings, but the front door features a simply-detailed
entry canopy and address opportunity, and allows for views inside, through the lobby, all the way to the
plaza, connecting passersby on University to the plaza itself.
Mr. Zirkle focused on some of the elements of the project, including a grade change between the 530
Lytton side and the 525 University side, which creates a place to congregate, a junction of sorts, between
a lower plaza and upper plaza, a place for people to linger formally or informally throughout the day . It
also creates a scalar difference between more of a public space on the lower plaza and a somewhat more
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intimate setting on the upper plaza, with a bridge between the two scales. Mr. Zirkle emphasized SWA’s
attention to detail, pointing out precast seat walls on the terraced area which are a derivative of the
geometry of the plaza’s architectural details, creating visual linkages around the project . The landscaping
includes a few more guardrails and barriers to protect passersby as well as landscape maintenance workers.
Details of the landscape elements play on the original egress motif created by Tallie, which SWA developed
throughout the project. The result is an orderly, composed, balanced proposal befitting the architecture
and creating different opportunities for seating and experiences. A final view of the project illustrate d how
the upper plaza and lower plaza connect, but follow a strongly organizing feature, which connects back to
University Avenue as well. Mr. Zirkle explained that the idea is to be both visually and physically porous ,
creating connections to experience the area.
Chair Willis invited questions from the Boardmembers.
Board Member Wimmer appreciated the thorough presentation and visual images and illustrations. She
asked for clarification on whether there are two new pergolas proposed, looking at the site plan at 1.01.
She thought it looked like there is a new one being attached to the building on the north elevation. Mr.
Zirkle responded and pointed out the one that is attached to the western side of the plaza, which controls
the downwash of wind moving down the face of the tower and into the plaza. This trellis, attached to the
building, does the preponderance of work in controlling the wind problem, but the second new trellis serves
as a secondary “shock absorber” to help dissipate the wind in the area, including w ind flow over the top of
530 Lytton. It also adds to the more intimate setting for gathering on the upper plaza.
Board Member Wimmer asked what their approach is to attaching the trellis to the existing and soon-to-be
-historic building and its potential impact on the building. She also wondered about the glass canopy at
the entry on University Avenue and the impact of attaching new elements to an existing building. Mr. Zirkle
responded that the intent with any additions to the building is that any of them can be removed. The
attachments are intended to be lightweight, both because they wish to create a light element, but also
because they need to be 50 percent transparent which is the optimal amount to control the downflow of
wind. On the University side, the attachment to the building moves across a beam element that moves
from column to column and is also reversible as needed. It does not have the same effect of dissipating
the wind, but does create a proper front door and creates a more public face. The canopy helps identify
that front door and is intended to be very light and reversible, but also to demarcate a new way to move
into the building that is more befitting of the urban context.
Chair Willis asked about the seating in the courtyard and whether they anticipate having to put metal
elements in to keep the skateboarders from running them down. Mr. Ben Waldo, of SWA Group, explained
the way they are designed will make them essentially un-skateable, so they won’t need any of the metal
studs on them. Chair Willis appreciated the explanation and the great solution. She asked if the grass would
be artificial or real. Mr. Zirkle advised that that is being studied because the weight of watered grass was
not factored into the design of the structure, so they are evaluating the capacity to be able to carry an
increased load for that. Also, there is minimal depth because of the brick pavers that are wet -grouted on
top of the structure. He said they are open to either outcome, but they are s tudying whether one is more
efficacious than the other.
Chair Willis complimented the glass band rolls, stating they are nicely detailed and it was nice to see the
granite remaining beneath. She wondered whether the adjacent buildings will maintain their granite
sections, spandrels, and walls. She wondered why they switched to glass. Mr. Zirkle shared a photo of the
desired effect in contrast with the starting point, noting that the technology of glazing coatings has evolved
since the building was built, so the building will have a preponderance of dark-tinted glass to be able to
control solar infiltration. He said this is unilaterally used around the building. He described the more closed
appearance of the base of the tower itself, dealing with the first t hree stories where there is a pronounced
architectural distinction between the lower tower and the upper tower, that portion of the building that hits
the ground. The goal for this portion is to feel as transparent, open, and friendly as possible. With advances
in Low-E coatings and dual pane glazing, they can achieve greater levels of energy efficiency as well as
greater levels of visual transparency. The lobby is one story, so they could focus only on the transparency
of that area, but because of the architectural statement there being three stories tall, they want to avoid
creating a disjunction in that zone, with replacement of the clear glazing at the base of the tower to create
visual continuity in each of the arches, but specifically to make the building feel and act more transparent.
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Chair Willis said she was referring just to the granite and was just curious why the decision to cover the
granite. It seemed to her that the unity of the granite through the three buildings is a desirable thing, so
she wondered if future plans are to replace the granite on the adjacent buildings. Mr. Zirkle explained the
team’s thinking on this including considerations around the mullion s tructure and depth. Related to the
granite, he said one thought was to give the base of the building a little more unified appearance as
opposed to being segmented the way it is now. He understood the point about the continuity of the material
and said it was one of the things they discussed. What they are trying to propose is - because the tower
itself acts in a singular nature in the way that it hits the ground, particularly with curved buttresses and
columns that come down and the overall shape and form of the archways - to keep the continuity of the
surface of the glass, the shape becomes the figure-ground. What they have proposed is to honor that
piece of figure-ground design. It is helpful in how the wall itself is detailed and fabricated and also allows
it to be reversible and able to be adjusted over time if needed to get back to the original condition.
Board Member Heinrich referenced drawing L6.01 showing the landscaping over the parking garage and
asked if the slab over the garage is in good shap e now and how much of the work will be compromising
that slab. Mr. Zirkle said the original design of the slab did entertain a number of planters and landscape
features in and around the areas that are there already. They are doing a little demolition and reconfiguring
in places to maximum connectivity. They are trying to control how everything works together structurally
and making spot improvements utilizing carbon fiber reinforcement technology on the underside of the
waffle slab in areas where is increased stress because of the planters. The work being proposed requires
thought about how to mitigate it structurally, trying to balance how much, where and how heavy those
elements are. SWA Consultant Rene Bihan added that, with a couple of exceptions, the trees being
proposed are in similar locations to where trees are now. Although the structure is in good shape, the
waterproofing is not, which is part of solving the problem of replacing planting and waterproofing, and
improving the planting strategy.
Board Member Heinrich asked if all of the brickwork was part of the original design. Hannah Simonson,
Architectural Historian, Page and Turnbull, responded to the question. The brick paving is original to the
construction. There was a larger design concept tha t would have involved the entire block and some
additional buildings and a more refined landscape design throughout the block, which was not fully realized.
Board Member Heinrich asked if the brick was original to the design as well as the construction. Ms .
Simonson thought Tallie Maule would have specified that in the design. In the drawing , the overall 9 x 9
grid is the more driving design factor, but it was her understanding that the brick was part of his design
process. Board Member Heinrich asked if all of the brick is being removed from the new design. Mr. Zirkle
said the brick must be removed because the waterproofing is in terrible condition. Board Member Heinrich
was happy to hear this because she doesn’t like the brick and thinks their design is much better . She said
it was hard to imagine that Tallie Maule would have included the brick as it was constructed. Ms. Simonson
added that the new paving strategy does align with the existing 9 x 9 grid, so there won’t be a disjunction
there, so they felt it was compatible given the site constraints. Board Member Heinrich expressed she
thought they did a nice job.
Board Member Eagleston-Cieslewicz inquired about the rationale for which areas of brick they chose to
retain around the sidewalks and asked if there were any thoughts in that regard. SWA Consultant Rene
Bihan responded that the brick that is in the public right-of-way is in pretty good shape and consistent with
some of the other remaining walkways, so they decided to leave it in place. The area where waterproofing
needs to be replaced is the central courtyard. He agreed with the comment and was not certain the architect
would have chosen brick unless someone else advised them. The drawings clearly show the articulated 9
x 9 grid which comes off the façade of the building, bringing it down to the ground plane, so they feel the
concrete is a much better strategy. It also holds the two projects more tightly together in the center space
as one space. He said other issues with ADA ramps, et cetera, are better solved with cast-in-place concrete.
Mr. Zirkle pointed out another zone that is being proposed as concrete as well, with the rationale being it
is reasonable to do so, although tricky with the garage, as it goes out underneath the public right -of-way.
From the waterproofing standpoint if they were to keep the existing brick in place there would be an odd
interruption where the waterproofing is meeting new paving and also a derivative of how the building hits
the ground and funnels velocity visually and pedestrian access into the lobby, past the lobby, into the
courtyard. He noted that it is the one spot that would be better served by keeping concrete continuous to
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the curb, whereas brick remains everywhere else in the public right-of-way. Mr. Waldo noted that they are
keeping the last strip of brick between the curb and new concrete on University Avenue so that it matches
the sidewalk across the street, which also used to be brick and was replaced with concrete, and they left
one strip of brick between the curb and concrete sidewalk.
Chair Willis asked if noise studies were done on the trellises, for wind noise through the baffles. Mr. Zirkle
thought when they worked with the wind consultant there was a portion of the report dedicated to the
acoustics of wind, so part of balancing the optimal transparency of the baffle ultimately was predicated on
how it decelerates the wind and how it might sound.
Chair Willis thanked the team for the presentation and said she gets drawn into the plaza and then blown
out, so she was excited and happy to have it back in Palo Alto. She loved the front entry and the elements
that are bringing it back into the community. She liked the front door particularly and bringing the lobby
visually back into town. She liked the symmetry which has been missing. She has been taken with the
granite details on the building and feels it is part of the architect’s statement, so she is sorry to see them
covered over, but is pleased that it is a reversible detail.
Chair Willis invited further comments from the Board.
Board Member Wimmer noted that their task is to make a recommendation to the Director of Planning,
particularly regarding Architectural Review Finding 2b, on packet sheet 13, but she could not find this in
the packet. Chair Willis noted that the task was to make a recommendation that, “the project has a unified
and coherent design that preserves, respects and integrates existing natural features, that contribute
positively to the site and the historic character including historic resources of the area, when relevant,” as
shown on page 16 of the packet. Ms. French added that this part of the Downtown has not been deemed
an area of historic character, but it is more about the fact that the building has been deemed historic
eligible, so is its own block of historical relevance. This is where the Board c ould make recommendations
and contribute thoughts for the ARB or staff which, because it’s considered a minor project, can be used
as supporting findings in approval of the project. If they don’t feel like it meets this finding, they would
want to know that. She suggested perhaps a straw poll of the finding and said most important is the
Secretary of Interior Standards finding. Ms. French said they have peer-reviewed the applicant’s consultant,
so it would be important to concur with staff on that.
Board Member Wimmer said they should discuss which potential historic listings the buildings are eligible
for because it is stated that they are deemed eligible but have not been placed on the local or California or
National register. She said the building is perfect to nominate for the California register, as well as to include
on Palo Alto’s local historic inventory as a Category 1 or 2, because it is an excellent example of late modern
design, noted as an excellent local example by a master architect, Tallie Maule. Ms. French suggested
pausing that conversation as the discussion is not advertised as such. The Council has directed them to
proceed, focusing more on residential projects, because there are ministerial projects that would not involve
CEQA review; whereas this is a project, like many other commercial projects, where CEQA does kick in and
therefore is more protected from demolition and destruction. Ms. French said, while it is a good
conversation to have, the analysis for it has not been prepped or discussed with the property owner, w ho
is welcome to go directly to the State and register their building. She said they can have more discussions
about their inventory update process when it is advertised.
Chair Willis felt they should have some system in place when a building is determined to be California
register-eligible, and when they review it, part of the process should be adding it to the inventory, because
that is one of their charges, to maintain the inventory. She thought it obvious that this building belongs on
the inventory. She thought it would be good to hear from the owner how they feel about it, but felt they
need to start integrating that into their process. She said they couldn’t do it that day, but would love to
hear that they want to be on the inventory.
MOTION
Board Member Wimmer moved to approve the project at 525 University as presented with a strong
recommendation that it is added to the City of Palo Alto Historic Inventory as well as nominated for listing
on the California register of historic places, as deemed eligible.
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Board Member Wimmer remarked that she wanted to suggest the historic listing in her motion even though
it was not the day to move that forward.
Chair Willis invited public comment. Hearing none, she asked for a motion supporting what staff asked the
Board to determine – that the design is not detrimental to the resource and does meet the Secretary of the
Interior standards and preserves, respects, and integrates with the existing building. Another motion to
add it to their inventory would be great, but she wanted to separate it out.
Board Member Wimmer agreed to this.
Board Member Bower seconded the motion.
Chair Willis invited discussion.
Board Member Bower commented that the design as proposed is a significant improvement over the brick
in the courtyard. He suspected that the brick was used when the building was constructed because it was
a very inexpensive material used extensively in the 60s and 70s. He thought it actually was closer to the
design concept that the buildings represent. He thought the project easily meets th e requested terminology
in b.2., and he strongly supported it and congratulated the design team in creating a better demonstration
of the building’s very strong architectural features.
The motion passed (7-0) by roll call vote.
MOTION
Board Member Wimmer moved to make a strong recommendation to add the property to the Palo Alto
Historic Resources Inventory, as well as nominate it to the California Register of Historical Resources.
Board Member Wimmer suggested informing the applicant that there are potential incentives to being on
the local inventory. She mentioned the floor area bonus, parking bonus, et cetera, and advised the applicant
team to consider this.
Board Member Bower seconded the motion.
The motion passed (6-0-1).
Ms. French explained for the public that the Board’s work plan goal is to nominate and bring forward the
California Register and National Register eligible properties, and there will be a process begun using
consultant resources to begin that process. The recommendation will be folded into that process at the
time it proceeds. She added that they will need support for it and to have conversations with owners about
such nominations.
Chair Willis reiterated that the Boardmembers are available to answer questions if the property owner has
any questions about adding it to the inventory.
Information Reports
4. Receive Certified Local Government (CGL) Annual Report for the 2020-2021 Reporting Period
Ms. French said the CLG report is due to the Office of Historic Preservation on May 13th. The reporting
period is October 2020 through September 2021. She said she had heard from one member about
attendance at training, and advised if Boardmembers had trainings that occurred during this reporting
period, to send it to her to be included in the report.
Board Member Bower said he spent a lot of time on Zoom training with the California Preservation
Foundation and he had just listed the one he remembered but he could go back and find others if necessary .
Ms. French said there is no minimum requirement for training, but just a commitment to keep up on training
and interest. She added that the reporting period conveniently includes the CPF conference in June 2021.
She said the seminars are posted online so they could do research on their own.
Ms. French explained that it is not a requirement for the HRB to approve the CLG report, but it is more of
a compilation of data during the reporting period. The HRB held a small number of meetings during the
height of COVID while the city was shut down, but the four meetings that they h eld were enough for the
CLG reporting.
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Chair Willis invited further discussion and encouraged Boardmembers to look at the report to think about
what they could add for next year, or how their activities will impact next year’s report.
Approval of Minutes
5. Approval of Historic Resources Board Draft Minutes of March 24, 2022
MOTION
Motion by Board Member Bower to approve the minutes of the March 24, 2022, Historic Resources Board
meeting. Seconded by Board Member Heinrich, the motion passed (6-0) by roll call vote.
The motion passed (7-0) by roll call vote.
Subcommittee Items
Chair Willis said their first meeting in May will be dedicated to the subcommittees and how they want to
move forward. She asked that committees confer with each other before the May meeting. There will not
be a staff report. She said they do need to start figuring out how to approach t he public so when they get
the go-ahead to work with the consultants they’re ready to go. She said they will have information the
consultants don’t have and thought they should think about how to direct the consultants to process the
inventory update.
Board Member Questions, Comments or Announcements
Chair Willis asked Board Member Bower to talk about upcoming PAST tours. Board Member Bower
announced that the next Sunday at 3 p.m. there would be a Zoom opportunity to attend the annual PAST
and Palo Alto Historic Association joint awards meeting in which several historic buildings successfully
renovated will be recognized. He also announced the PAST spring walking tours which will be re -started
this year, after the pandemic interruption. Tours will include Saturday, May 7th at Mayfield; Saturday, May
14that College Terrace; Sunday, May 15th at Professorville; Saturday, May 21st at Crescent Park, and
Saturday, May 28th, Homer Avenue. All of the tours are explained on the PAST website. Chair Willis hoped
all would go and encouraged the public to attend them as well.
Board Member Wimmer acknowledged an email regarding Chair Willis’ draft outreach letter. She asked if it
could be agendized for the May meeting. Chair Willis said it is in their subcommittee and said it was a very
rough draft and she is very open to suggestions. Board Member Wimmer said it was a perfect starting
point. She will also bring the pamphlet that she previously created. She also thought they should agendize
the review of the Bulletin, to go over the Resource A/Resource B discussion. Ms. French sai d there is
another study session on outreach contemplated for the next meeting, which would take some effort. She
had thought to target the July meeting for review of the Bulletin, since she will be out for the month of
June, and there is a development project coming for the second May meeting. She thought she could
present a staff report presenting the Bulletin and calling out areas of it.
Chair Willis asked Board members to review the bulletin and think about the presentation, clarity, things to
make it more friendly. Board Member Wimmer thought especially the newer members of the Board needed
to have a copy of the Bulletin, and everyone should review it prior to the meeting and make their comments.
She said she hasn’t looked at it for a while, so they could all look at it with fresh eyes and identify any
changes they want to make. Ms. French said it was in the HRB packet of September 9th, and it is online as
well.
Chair Willis wanted to acknowledge that she nominated PAST for an award from the Santa Cla ra County
Preservation Alliance for their website and to Carolyn George in particular for the job she has done over
the 30 years or so she has been working on it. She has not heard back from PAST in that regard and
thought it would be nice if Boardmembers would show up at the ceremony to be supportive of the
nomination. Ms. French said it is on May 21st, with a $15 charge per person.
Ms. French reminded the Board that there is a May Fete parade that all boards and commissions are invited
to which she thought was the next Saturday. Chair Willis said it is a good parade and fun to go.
Board Member Bower strongly urged staff to encourage applicants not to include tree protection sheets in
the plan sets, most of which was not relevant to their review. He stressed it was not to criticize, but it
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makes it harder to do the review, and he said he has been saying for years that they should never see tree
protection pages. Ms. French said she had not seen them. She said they were ordered specially for the
HRB so that they could have a hard copy, but if they do not want a hard copy and are comfortable online,
to please let her know. Board Member Bower said he does like hard copies because they are easier for him
to see, but not this is a huge amount of information tha t was not relevant to what they were doing. He
said anything that can be done to diminish the recycling load is appropriate. Chair Willis agreed there were
many unnecessary pages. Ms. French noted that it was an ARB application, and they do have purview to
cover other things, but she understood and said the next HRB packet will not have all the extra sheets.
Adjournment
Board Member Bower moved to adjourn the meeting. Seconded by Board Member Heinrich, the motion
carried unanimously by voice vote.