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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2019-06-13 Historic Resources Board Summary Minutes City of Palo Alto Page 1 1 2 Call to Order/Roll Call 3 4 Present: Chair Bower, Vice Chair Corey, Board Member Kohler, Board Member Shepherd, 5 6 Absent: Board Member Bernstein, Board Member Makinen, Board Member Wimmer 7 8 Chair Bower: Okay, I’m assuming Margaret is stuck in traffic, so we can begin the meeting. I see the light’s 9 on, so would you please read the roll, Robin. 10 11 Ms. Robin Ellner: Four present. 12 13 Chair Bower: Thank you. 14 15 [The Board moved to Agenda Changes, Additions and Deletions] 16 17 Oral Communications 18 19 Chair Bower: Okay, oral communications. I don’t see anyone here besides Bo, who we’re going to hear 20 from in a moment. 21 22 [The Board moved to City Official Reports] 23 24 Agenda Changes, Additions and Deletions 25 26 Chair Bower: Are there any changes to the agenda? 27 28 Ms. Ellner: None. 29 30 [The Board moved to Oral Communications] 31 32 City Official Reports 33 34 1. Historic Resources Board Schedule of Meetings and Assignments. 35 36 Chair Bower: So, we will move on to Official Reports, which is our schedule of meetings. I will now be 37 available on June 27th, should a meeting occur, because my trip was cancelled. 38 39 Ms. Amy French, Chief Planning Official: Can I ask a question about August 22nd? Is that trip of yours still 40 on? 41 42 Chair Bower: Yeah, it’s still, it is for now. 43 44 HISTORIC RESOURCES BOARD MEETING MINUTES: June 13, 2019 City Hall/City Council Chambers 250 Hamilton Avenue 8:30 A.M. City of Palo Alto Page 2 Ms. French: I can’t say lucky you, but maybe (crosstalk). We do have an item targeted for that date, and 45 we do have, we did have an item targeted for July 11th, which was going to be the – it’s probably not going 46 to go, I would say, is the Cannery/Fry’s Historic Resource evaluation. 47 48 Chair Bower: That’s going to go after that goes to Planning or? 49 50 Ms. French: Well, no. We do still plan to bring that to the HRB for discussion. It’s just that some of these 51 NVCAP meetings have been cancelled, and there’s other, you know, other reasons why it’s delayed, so… 52 53 Chair Bower: Okay. 54 55 Ms. French: That may push to September. So, I don’t know that we’re going to have a meeting in July. I 56 think it wouldn’t be the end of the world, right? It’s a nice month to take a break and a vacation. 57 58 (off mic) 59 60 Chair Bower: Right, so you know. 61 62 Ms. French: You’re going to be gone, yeah. So, I do have that Shepherd is gone for the second meeting of 63 July. 64 65 Vice Chair Corey: I will be out the 8th of August if we have a meeting that day, a well. 66 67 Ms. French: Okay, let’s not have a meeting that day. Since we’re looking at the 22nd for…(crosstalk) and 68 I’ll just say that’s the targeted date for the Castilleja Draft Environmental Impact Report presentation to 69 the Historic Resources Board. The week before it will be presented to the Planning and Transportation 70 Commission, where folks will have, you know, a night meeting to make all the comments and more of the 71 comments, but here we will be focused on the Cultural Resource Chapter and the Historic Resource 72 evaluation for that project. Okay. (crosstalk) 73 74 75 Study Session 76 77 2. Guest Speaker Bo Crane Presents ‘Ticket to Rock’ Booklet Regarding Palo Alto Rock 78 History. 79 80 Chair Bower: So, we can move to our Study Session. So, I’d like to introduce Bo Crane who is going to talk 81 to us about the book that he’s written called ‘Ticket to Ride. Bo is a member of the Palo Alto Stanford 82 Heritage Group. He’s also a member of Palo Alto Historic Association. I think that’s what PAHA stands for. 83 I’m a Board Member with Bo and past, so intimately familiar with this, but Bo, please join us at the… 84 85 Board Member Kohler: I probably have to… 86 87 (unknown speaker): Disclose. 88 89 Board Member Kohler: Yeah. 90 91 Mr. Bo Crane: I can stand. 92 93 Board Member Kohler: I should disclose that I live two doors from the speaker, Bo. 94 95 Chair Bower: From Bo. 96 97 Board Member Kohler: Yeah, I just want to make sure, you know, for the record, yes. 98 City of Palo Alto Page 3 Mr. Crane: Okay. Thank you, Board for having me. Thank you, Amy, for inviting me. I met with Amy in her 99 office and we talked about the book. It’s actually called ‘Ticket to Rock’, which is a spin on ‘Ticket to Ride’. 100 David has ‘Ticket to Ride’ in mind because that’s how, I had that as a typo. It’s supposed to be ‘Ticket to 101 Rock’. We, the Palo Alto, Stanford Heritage, of which I’m the secretary, we had a meeting. We were 102 deciding what other historical things can we include in our organization, other than just architecture, and 103 we came up with people, with Rock and Roll people. And we were going to do a map of the homes of 104 different Rock players in Palo Alto, but they’re so far scattered about, from North Palo Alto to South Palo 105 Alto, too far for a walking tour. We’re not about to have show buses. So, instead, we identified the homes 106 and we include a map of where they are, if people want to tour them and we have them listed house by 107 house number. But then we thought that, should we contact the owners of these homes and let them 108 know, Grace Slick lived in your house, Jerry Garcia lived in your house. Something that may have been a 109 surprise to them. And at that point we thought, well, rather than put the burden on them to say yes or 110 now, we identified the neighborhoods, when was the tract developed. A lot of these were Eichler’s in the 111 50’s. Cubberly was developed in the 50’s. We did identify one house, which was sold last year by DeLeon 112 Realty on 1012 High Street, and it’s where Jerry Garcia picked the name Grateful Dead. It’s 1012 High 113 Street. It was advertised as the house where the Grateful Dead name was chosen. They have a plaque on 114 the wall, the Grateful Dead had been the Warlocks. The plaque on the wall that says the Warlocks is part 115 of the advertising if you go on site. Amy, for a while had a panicked look and went through her notes and 116 said, “oh, it’s right there in the disclosure.” So, my point in bringing all this up is that we’re starting to get 117 to where historic personages and peoples’ memory, are in peoples’ memory, and these things may affect 118 your decisions. The other big Rock and Roll star, who I consider big, is Grace Slick. She came here from 119 Highland Park near Chicago. She moved into, her family moved into a house that was built in 1946, older 120 than 50 years, not very historic. It’s on a block, a block off of Channing, and when the time comes, if that 121 house gets identified as people want to do something, it’s a two story, it’s in good shape. That would 122 probably undoubtedly be something for the Board to consider, just like they included the fact that the 123 Grateful Dead name choosing house was included in the information about that house. They did add a two 124 story to that house. The porch remains as it was back when the Grateful Dead name was chosen. They 125 were, the Warlocks were practicing on the porch and they, Jerry Garcia went inside and found a dictionary, 126 folklore dictionary, stuck his finger in on the Grateful Dead, and they became the Grateful Dead. So, this is 127 our booklet. There’s several Rock and Rollers here. Again, it’s about their neighborhoods, who they are, 128 their biographies and it’s being marketed for sale now by the Palo Alto, Stanford Heritage, otherwise known 129 as PAST. So, that’s my talk. Are there any questions? 130 131 Board Member Shepherd: So, we just go on the PAST website and we can order it? How do we buy it? 132 133 Mr. Crane: You can buy it through, you can contact the PAST site, P-A-S-T. It’s $10 and we’re going to get 134 the marketing information out. But it will be on the PAST website. We’re getting another – this first one 135 has pretty much sold out. I do have some with me today. The first issue was $5. If you would like one, I 136 will, David can talk to you afterwards. He’s a PAST Member and he can sell you his copy and I’ll give him 137 back one. 138 139 Board Member Shepherd: So, Bo, are there plans to interpret some of this at the Palo Alto History Museum? 140 141 Mr. Crane: We may be occupying a space at the Palo Alto History Museum. I gave a talk at the Palo Alto 142 Historical Association on June 5th, as David mentioned. So, they’re also involved with this booklet, not in 143 the publication, but in the presentation. And lot of us are joint past and PAHA members. 144 145 Chair Bower: Anything else? 146 147 Mr. Crane: Well, thank you for inviting me this morning and good luck with the Board. Thank you for 148 serving. 149 150 Chair Bower: Thanks Bo. It’s a, I know how hard you worked on this, and it was, it is a really important 151 treasure that we now have as part of our Palo Alto history, so I appreciate your doing that. 152 153 City of Palo Alto Page 4 Mr. Crane: You’re very welcome. I’m happy that I’m a native Palo Alton, and this was exciting for me as 154 well. 155 156 Chair Bower: That’s right. Bo was a graduate of Paly High School. 157 158 Mr. Crane: Yeah, Waterchase, Jordan, Paly, then… 159 160 Chair Bower: Stanford. 161 162 Mr. Crane: Across El Camino. 163 164 Chair Bower: Right. 165 166 Board Member Shepherd: And I recently learned that Grace Slick went to Castilleja. 167 168 Mr. Crane: Yeah, Grace Slick, she was a sophomore at Paly. She then transferred to Castilleja. I haven’t 169 found the reason, but she transferred to Castilleja. There’s a picture of her year book photo from Castilleja, 170 and her younger brother was at Paly, a senior when I was a sophomore. 171 172 Chair Bower: And I presume that if someone stumbles upon your, this presentation in some archive and 173 has other musicians or people in the music business who we have not seen, that you’d welcome their 174 contacting you to add. 175 176 Mr. Crane: Yeah, as everybody knows, a lot about at least one person in here who has contacted me. 177 There’re people among us who have also toured Europe as musicians. I won’t name any names, but there’s 178 – so people are connected one way or another with music. 179 180 Chair Bower: Yeah. Okay, well great. Thank you very much. 181 182 Board Member Kohler: Oh, he’s talking about bands? Is that what you’re saying, musical bands? 183 184 Mr. Crane: Yes, we have bands and individuals. 185 186 Board Member Kohler: You didn’t get my band in. 187 188 Mr. Crane: And Roger Kohler himself was… 189 190 Chair Bower: No, we didn’t include garage bands. 191 192 Board Member Kohler: I played in a band for 10 years, yeah. 193 194 Mr. Crane: There’s a lot of high school bands… 195 196 Board Member Kohler: Our favorite people who loved us… Let’s see, my mind is now working. We used to 197 play at the… 198 199 Mr. Crane: There were a lot of Rock and Roll bands. The Beatles came to the Cabana in 1965. That was a 200 huge thing. I was here then. Roger was already playing music by then, so the Rock and Roll band for the 201 Beatles really set it off. Just to elaborate a little bit more, they played at the Cow Palace, Ken Kesey and 202 his group went to the Cow Palace. They were blown away by all the hoopla and the noise and the screaming. 203 But he later had his own concerts called Acid Tests. He knew Jerry Garcia from the days of Menlo Park and 204 he got Garcia’s band to play at the Acid Test. So, here you had the Beatles at the Cabana in ’65, August, 205 the Acid Test at the Big B, which was a nightclub near San Antonio and 101 in December. So, you had the 206 British Invasion, pop music, and then four months later and two miles away you have the start of the 207 psychedelic music era. So, you had these clashes and who won out? Well, the Beatles later went to Sergeant 208 City of Palo Alto Page 5 Pepper’s, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. They were affected by what was happening in Palo Alto. And 209 there’s a lot in the book that, where I mention that there’s no coincidence you have Palo Alto, Stanford and 210 Silicon Valley all at the same locale, and they all contributed to what we know in the world today. 211 212 Board Member Kohler: Yeah, I was, it’s the Association for the Retarded there on Middlefield Road was 213 where we played for 10 years. 214 215 Chair Bower: Every Friday night. 216 217 Board Member Kohler: No, it was once or twice a month. But I remember they just thought we were the 218 greatest. They kept yelling, “you’re better than the Beatles”, of which we were not. 219 220 Mr. Crane: If only you had Brian Epstein behind you. Okay, thanks again. 221 222 Action Items 223 224 Chair Bower: All right, Action Items. This is, I think, going to be relatively straightforward. 225 226 Approval of Minutes 227 228 3. Approval of the Draft Minutes for April 265, 2019 Meeting of the Historic Resources 229 Board. 230 231 Chair Bower: We need to approve the Minutes from our meeting of April 25th. I would like to say that I 232 thought the Minutes, I think the transposition of these minutes has significantly improved, so I don’t know 233 what happened, but I read through them and I didn’t find, you know, any context issues that were wrong. 234 So, I’m praising whoever is doing this now. Good software. All right, any changes, deletions or omissions 235 in the Minutes? I don’t see anybody putting their hands up, so I’m looking for a motion to approve. 236 237 MOTION 238 239 Board Member Shepherd: I’ll move to approve the minutes. 240 241 Chair Bower: Is there a second? 242 243 Vice Chair Corey: I’ll second. 244 245 Chair Bower: All right. All in favor say aye. Okay, good. Thank you. 246 247 MOTION PASSED WITH A VOTE OF 4-0 WITH BOARD MEMBERS MAKINEN, BERNSTEIN AND 248 WIMMER ABSENT 249 250 Subcommittee Items 251 252 4. SUBCOMMITTEE: 526 Waverley Street (17PLN-00454): Subcommittee Formation for 253 On-Site Review of Finishes and Colors to Address Conditions of Approval. 254 255 Chair Bower: So, the next item on our Agenda is Creation of a Subcommittee for Approval of Finishes at 256 526 Waverley, and I see that the developer is here, just in time. So, I think as background for this, you 257 know, our packet, the terms of conditions for our prior approval for this project included bringing to the 258 Board the stucco texture, the tile selections and the paint colors, which would be approved by a 259 subcommittee and then approved by the full Board on a consent item. Amy learned what, two weeks ago 260 or more, that the stucco was finished, the tile was set and we had no submissions or approvals. The paint 261 is not on, but that’s an easy solution. So, John Shenk, the developer, I think that’s the appropriate way to 262 describe your role? 263 City of Palo Alto Page 6 264 (off mic) 265 266 Chair Bower: Owner, okay. John is here, I presume to talk about the, this item. So, first let’s find the people 267 who would be willing to do, serve on the subcommittee. I think it’s, I’d like to be on that. I’ve already been 268 out there and looked at it. We need two other people who are willing? I need two other people. Debbie, 269 okay. And 270 271 (off mic) 272 273 Chair Bower: Okay, Roger. Okay, so it will be Debbie, me and Roger as the subcommittee. So, John, if you 274 want to join us and talk about what happened here. 275 276 Mr. John Shenk: Sure. Thank you very much. Yes, John Shenk representing the Thoits family, the owners 277 of the property. Hi. Doggone, I think what happened here is a lapse of follow-through and attention to 278 detail in terms of the approval conditions between, I think it’s a collective dropping of the ball between 279 myself and our architect, Randy Popp. Not that it helps and if my kids started down this path, I would catch 280 them quickly, but you give me a few minutes so I can pretend to be my kids without somebody boxing 281 them in. I think in our zeal we’re so excited about this, and I don’t know if you recall, there was a lot of 282 excitement when we just got started with it and sort of sharing with Amy around, this will be so great and 283 finding the old plans and all this good stuff, we just started following this trail of information and old 284 pictures and these sorts of things. And then Randy, to his credit, realized, oh, oh, we’ve gone a step too 285 far and reached out to Amy and then with David. You guys started to figure out, okay, where are we and 286 we recognize that we didn’t follow some of the prescriptive steps. We will do as you guys desire. Our 287 request is that you form this subcommittee and come on out and take this – I can’t bring it to you because 288 it’s on the building in terms of the tiles. The paint colors, even if they were up on the building, we could 289 change them and would. We have some samples on the building. I have brush outs of them and such, but 290 I think it’s best for the subcommittee to go and take a peek. We have spent an inordinate amount of time 291 trying to get the plaster just right, over and over, and as you can imagine going into a building that’s as 292 old as this one is and all the old signs that have been on and off the building and all these old things. Every 293 time you kind of move a layer in, you realize, oops, now we’ve found an old patch and we found this and 294 that, and just the artisans who have been out there climbing around and smoothing and slightly adjusting 295 the sand mix and all these things. It’s part of the fun of it, but we’re just hopeful that you all can come out 296 and say, yup, we love these paint colors, wp like the tile. There is one point I’ll make to all of you. Our 297 contractor, with our approval, but we didn’t give much thought to it, put in some tile on the ground plane 298 at the entries. There are some of the entries that had, in our restoration part of this, they are now recessed 299 back to their original design, so we were left with some mix match of things on the ground, so we put 300 some tile in there. It is, from our perspective, it is temporary. The sidewalk is a hodgepodge of patches 301 and designs, etc. We’ve worked with Public Works. They’re okay with us not addressing that now. Our 302 intention is to move forward with a bigger scale project behind the historic part of the building. So, the 303 tiles, they’re just a bridge between the subpar sidewalks and the level of the interiors. It’s not great. I think 304 the ultimate design is that the sidewalk and its design, which, to the degree Public Works buys off on it, 305 would have kind of a cobblestone look to it. We’ll go – it would be a seamless finish to the front doors out 306 to the sidewalk when we’re all done. But that is another thing that was a call in the field. We don’t think 307 it’s historic. We don’t think it’s fantastic, but it’s serving a purpose. 308 309 Chair Bower: So, if I could, I don’t want to interrupt you, but I wanted to ask Amy something about this. 310 So, it says in Randy’s letter, which is part of our packet and is part of this hearing, that the replacement of 311 the sidewalk, Staff agreed that it would be deferred until some future date. It’s on page 39 of our packet, 312 the paragraph right after the half page. It says “In discussion with Planning Staff, when the project 313 conditions of approval were under development, we agreed, reached an agreement to replace the sidewalk 314 or the replacement of the sidewalk would be deferred.” I just want to be sure that that’s… 315 316 Ms. French: I was not part of that discussion. The Planner, Haleigh, has left the City, so I can’t ask her, but 317 possibly she worked it out with Jodie Gerhardt, the current Planning Manager. I can verify with her, but we 318 City of Palo Alto Page 7 know that this is the initial stage of restoring the building, and then an application, the intent is to move 319 this to Category II from Category III because of the rehabilitation. That goes to Council to put the seal of 320 approval on that. That allows then a bonus area to put housing on the… 321 322 Mr. Shenk: Back on the property. 323 324 Ms. French: On the second, you know, make a second floor or, it has a second floor – third floor, at the 325 back part of it. So, that project would require replacement of sidewalk along the front, the curb, gutter, 326 sidewalk. 327 328 Mr. Shenk: Yeah. And if I could maybe add to that, it was really, as a part of that – I forget the people who 329 were around in that, but the sidewalk being the City’s property, it was really the Public Works Department, 330 it was that part of the negotiation. Planning Staff acquiesced to Public Works. It started out Public Works 331 said replace everything, you know, replace the utilities, redo half the street, this sort of thing. And then 332 they realized this was really an historic restoration, so they backed – which was great, I think it’s the right 333 thing for the City to, in a way, help facilitate the historic restoration, and then if you want to do something 334 to the building, add area, so something, then come the more typical conditions. 335 336 Chair Bower: So, I am confident you want to do this. I guess what makes me slightly uncomfortable is that 337 in this particular project, we now have a material that is supposed to be temporary, but sadly, some 338 temporary materials become permanent, and I guess I’m uncomfortable about the fact that we’re being 339 asked to basically close out this portion of your project with the understanding that something will happen 340 in the future which may or may not come back before the Board. And so, because this is an historic 341 renovation which will change categories, which is very significant… 342 343 Mr. Shenk: Yes. 344 345 Chair Bower: Glad it’s being done, but there’s a disconnect between this surface that - those little one-inch 346 tiles, which I find, I have problems with them… 347 348 Mr. Shenk: Fair. 349 350 Chair Bower: Not being addressed until a future date which may never occur. I mean, I can’t imagine the 351 number of circumstances where it just doesn’t happen. So, I’m uncomfortable about that, that’s why I was 352 asking if there is a record of this. And I’m not sure that I have a solution at this moment, but I just want – 353 it’s a process thing here. (crosstalk) 354 355 Mr. Shenk: And I respect, and if the decision is, hey, we’re not okay with that. I know we didn’t ask you. 356 We’ll pull those tiles out. We can put in some concrete so that it looks, you know, on our property, right, 357 which is where this tile exists now and do some of the matching of the finish. As I recall, and I’ve been 358 looking at this, the conditions, there isn’t anything specific to that area. I don’t think we’d really 359 contemplated, well, what are we going to find when we push the wall back to its original position. There 360 was a thought, well, we’ll find the original concrete underneath the old tiles that, the interior tiles that were 361 put on top. Well, we didn’t, so we put something in. 362 363 Chair Bower: Okay, so, I’m just raising this because… 364 365 Mr. Shenk: Very fair. 366 367 Chair Bower: As a Board and a City process, I don’t think that it’s a good idea to, you know, to complete 368 one section of review without having all of the, you know, the scope of that project be complete, so I’ll, 369 maybe Amy, you and I can talk about what the right process is, the subcommittee can go out there and 370 look at this. 371 372 City of Palo Alto Page 8 Ms. French: Yeah, so just to address one piece of what you said earlier, the project that would involve 373 adding to a Category II, that is the goal, would, in the downtown, would absolutely come to the HRB for 374 review. So, you know, there would be conditions that the HRB could weigh in on certainly at that time. 375 Regarding the subcommittee and figuring this out, if we could adjourn from here and go out this morning, 376 we’re all here, that was my hope that that would be… Yeah, and you’re here. 377 378 Mr. Shenk: I turned the temperature down a little bit, so we’re okay today. 379 380 Ms. French: (crosstalk) is not here. 381 382 Mr. Shenk: He’s out of town, yes. 383 384 Chair Bower: I know Roger and I can do that, because Roger and I are in the same cart. Okay, good. I 385 was hoping we would do that, so that’s a good thing. And then we can talk about it. I just want to make 386 sure that the process here is consistent with other City work, and having built housing here, interacted with 387 Public Works for 45 years, they never let us do, put anything off in the future. So, we’ll work this out some 388 way, John, so that we can move forward, and certainly encourage your project to move to the next phase. 389 390 Ms. French: And one thing I would just say, generally speaking for conditions and modifications, so for 391 instance, packet page 45 are the Public Works and 46 are the Public Works Engineering Conditions that 392 talk about work and the right-of-way, saying the plans must clearly indicate any work proposed in the 393 public right-of-way. This is not in the public right-of-way. This is on private property. So, it gets a little like 394 squishy there and unclear. So, the Public Works doesn’t actually need to, you know, modify their own 395 condition and response to this, because it’s not in the public right-of-way. 396 397 Chair Bower: I totally understand where, you know, the jurisdiction lies. And I don’t want to prolong this 398 conversation, because I’d rather have the subcommittee bring this back to the full Board. But it was my 399 understanding Public Works does not like sidewalks that are not… 400 401 Mr. Shenk: They don’t. 402 403 Chair Bower: Weren’t conventional, and this is not conventional, and so maybe because this is an historic 404 building, they have an exemption or some other method that allows them to do this, but I think that’s a 405 future discussion. 406 407 Mr. Shenk: I think you’re right, and at that time my hope is, I go to Public Works with your recommendation, 408 your collective thought around, hey, it would be great if the sidewalk in this section were allowed to be 409 finished the way that it used to be. Public Works is tough. They want flat, grey, smooth. 410 411 Chair Bower: Yeah, and there are legitimate safety reasons for their standards. I’m not making any 412 comment other than that. I’m aware that they have very precise standards. So, any other Board Members 413 have any comments? If not, we can – I guess, I think that’s our entire meeting? 414 415 Ms. French: Yes, we’re done. (Off mic) 416 417 Chair Bower: So, let’s – the subcommittee will go out with you after we adjourn, and we’ll proceed. 418 419 Board Member Questions, Comments and Announcements 420 421 Chair Bower: I did want, so, in I guess we’re at Board Member Questions, Comments and Announcements, 422 I wanted to say that Martin and Michael and I have created a list of historic materials that could be, that 423 should be looked for in demolition of any buildings, and I forwarded to you, and so I’m hoping that we’ll 424 get on to an agenda soon, and actually I presume you’ve sent that to Phil Bobel and asked him to look at 425 that, because it’s really part of his initiative there. So, we’ve made progress in that we’ve tried to get this 426 City of Palo Alto Page 9 done quickly so that it could be blended into the demolition proposal that Phil is bringing to Council. So, 427 does anyone else have any comments or announcements? No. 428 429 Ms. French: None from Staff. 430 431 Board Member Kohler: I was just going to say that Martin and I have been on the Board a long time, and 432 it’s interesting that when we first came on board and all the things we did. You weren’t here and this and 433 that, but it’s pretty amazing that we’re still functioning here and doing – and I think the Board over all 434 these years has had a pretty big impact, and it has been a good thing to have and I think most citizens are 435 glad that we’re here. Because a lot of folks that live in older homes and everything, do like to, are impressed 436 that we are watching over things, is what I guess I’m trying to say. And we’re kind of a subtle Board. We’re 437 not big names and things like that, but I just think it’s been quite a long ride for me, especially, but I think 438 we’re important people in what goes on here in town, and I’m glad to have staff that’s so good. So, thank 439 you. 440 441 Chair Bower: I’d second that. 442 443 Ms. French: In turn, I will thank the Board for your service. Thank you. 444 445 Chair Bower: So, our next Board Meeting might be August 22nd? 446 447 Ms. French: It’s looking more like that. The reason to meet in July would be to, if you wanted to discuss 448 these materials, or just approval of minutes from today, which, you know, can wait till August. 449 450 Chair Bower: I think that these demolition materials should be piggy-backed on some other program. It’s 451 not a large enough topic to warrant an independent… 452 453 Ms. French: I think the only reason we would meet July 11th would be if the Cannery/Fry’s Site were to 454 come forward. I’m kind of in the process of verifying it this week about that, to see if that’s possible. 455 456 Chair Bower: So, the one thing I’m thinking about in terms of the demolition materials is if, for some reason, 457 that information would need to be part of the Council process, which I think Phil’s already submitted, then 458 maybe we would want to have a brief meeting to talk about that. So, I guess we’d let Phil advise on that. 459 460 Ms. French: All right. I’ll reach out to Phil today. 461 462 Adjournment 463 464 Chair Bower: Okay. All right. With that, I think we’re adjourned. Thank you. Nice to see you. I hope you 465 enjoy the rest of the summer. I hope it’s not as hot as last week. 466